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There is no body language that will always tell you for all people, but there is certainly some body language that will tell you most of the time for many people.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, that's total twaddle. It's a well know fact of psychology that there are no mannerisms that can be used to determine whether someone is lying.viewcode said:
Point of order. I think that's an urban myth popularised by the late 90s film "The Negotiator". I don't think it's true IRL. Happy to be contradicted if wrong.CarlottaVance said:https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1202206301671043075?s=20
“When you ask a normal, right-handed person about something he’s supposed to have seen, if he looks upward and to his left, he’s truly accessing his memory of the incident,” Bouton says. “However, if he looks upward and to his right, he’s accessing his imagination, and he’s inventing an answer.”
https://www.businessinsider.sg/how-to-tell-someones-lying-by-watching-their-face-2016-1/?r=US&IR=T
The diagonal upwards eye movements and what they mean when they are to the left and right: that isn't from a 1990s film; it's from neurolinguistic programming which will almost certainly be where that film got it from. See Bandler and Grinder's book Frogs into Princes from the 1970s.
As for upward left meaning remembered visual and upward right meaning constructed visual, left-handed people mostly do it the other way round.
Jeremy Corbyn probably doesn't watch the queen's speech at Christmas and remember every word fondly all the time until the following year, any more than he enjoys reading the Sun with his breakfast toast. He's a politician aiming to win votes. Anybody who has a rock solid objection to politicians acting like politicians shouldn't vote. Look on the bright side - at least he can eat a bag of chips like a human being, unlike Theresa May.
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A betting tip. You can get 1.25 on LibDems holding Richmond Park. I've taken £400 of it. I've left some for anyone fast enough.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.164425963
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So you're suggesting Corbyn is too old to be able to master details and that shouldn't be relevant to his ability to be PM?noneoftheabove said:
Last post. My argument is many people are not details people, they dont remember specifics of times, dates, directions, peoples names. As people age these trends to get stronger, with grandparents often calling grandkids by their kids names for example.wooliedyed said:The point is he lied about it, pointlessly. He can never have watched it 'in the morning' so has clearly never watched it. I've never watched it either, I don't see the need to lie and I'm also aware its a 3 o'clock thing by dint of being alive and not brain dead.
Your argument can be reductio ad absurdumed to 'boo hoo my guy is a twat'
Corbyn is not my guy at all, he is a disaster, but anyone finding fault in that interview is going to find fault in whatever he does.
I'd rather go with the "it was a stupid lie" defence than that.0 -
Again, it isn't hard to tell a funny or cute anecdote about trying to do something nice and it going wrong without being graphic.nico67 said:I don’t blame Corbyn for not answering the romance question . What a stupid question . And if you answer it then most might reach for the sick bag .
Every normal person has bought the wrong gift, lost their keys, arranged a dinner and their partner come home from work being terrible ill.0 -
It's so disappointing that he didn't reply that the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing he'd ever done was whisk the young Diane Abbott off on a motorcycle tour of the state-owned factories of East Germany.nico67 said:I don’t blame Corbyn for not answering the romance question . What a stupid question . And if you answer it then most might reach for the sick bag .
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East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?0 -
Are we doing a PB.com League for Fantasy Election? Someone in my brother's league has chosen Aaron Bell in his team (and a good pick imho)!
https://fantasy-election.com/0 -
Those were the days....Richard_Nabavi said:
It's so disappointing that he didn't reply that the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing he'd ever done was whisk the young Diane Abbott off on a motorcycle tour of the state-owned factories of East Germany.nico67 said:I don’t blame Corbyn for not answering the romance question . What a stupid question . And if you answer it then most might reach for the sick bag .
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Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
What is so funny? Because you don't like her? I am not sure she is my cup of tea, but I think her appearance of honesty might contrast very well with Johnson, and she is from the midlands and doesn't sound as though she has a whole tree full of plums up her arse. The only reason Johnson has a chance of winning this election is because Labour are headed by Mr Thicky. Remove Mr Thicky and it will be bye bye Boris next election.wooliedyed said:
Jess Phillips, lololololololBrom said:I remember when people were arguing that Nick Boles was a loss to the Tory party
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/12021714008801157120 -
LOCK HIM UP!Pulpstar said:Postal vote alert o_O
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/12018166165326315520 -
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
That’s because he’s really not a fan of Britain, and especially not of its institutions.FrancisUrquhart said:I suspect his advisers told him that he had to say he did, because they were worried that it might play into the narrative / suspicions (especially among Northern voters) that he isn't really much of a fan of Britain.
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He has the time for Holly Willoughby then. Just Andrew Neil seems difficult to arrange.0
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Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Why do politicians do this shit. Nobody decides their vote on Gordon Brown because he says he likes R3 rather than Arctic Monkeys, or that Cameron isn't really a footie fan.squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Given that the Royal family are planning to have a low profile for a while, for obvious reasons it's probably not wise to mention them too often.
Queens Speech? Dim memory of watching that some 40years ago, is it still on the television around Christmas time. Sorry if I missed something important here.I might have dozed through it as most of us do.0 -
No it isn't. It's like Gordon Brown not knowing what biscuits he prefers.squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.1 -
It was a while ago on Betfair Exchange. I thought the Lib Dem’s would be hyped to kingdom come and flatter to deceive, And intended to oppose them, but the hype stopped earlier than I expected, so I only got that one bet on.funkhauser said:
Where did you get Lib Dem's 10-19 seats 4/1?isam said:
Yes I haven’t really got involved at all. I made a mistake there, I laid NOM at 5/4 rather than backed Con maj at 4/5Stocky said:
Serously Isam - is that all you have bet on this GE? I`m on my third side of A4.isam said:
A few tiny bets onlyMikeSmithson said:
Where's your money Isam?isam said:Lib Dem 50 ups 0.1-1 a buy?
Brexit Party not to win a seat 5/4
Brexit party to win Heywood & Middleton 33/1
Lib Dem’s 10-19 seats 4/1
Conservatives under 340.5 seats 11/10
Con maj 4/5
Best I could find is 13/5 with Paddy Power.0 -
I expect he'll be along in a minute. Meanwhile let's hear it from you about the lying charlatan who is currently PM.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:
Fair's fair now.0 -
but they when they think the guy is a lying little shit. Boruis is a liar but he does it better. Corbyn looks shifty all the time. McDonnell saying he would give no 11 to a homeless person, just makes him look an even bigger prat.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why do politicians do this shit. Nobody decides their vote on Gordon Brown because he says he likes R3 rather than Arctic Monkeys, or that Cameron isn't really a footie fan.squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Crowdfunding campaigns for this seat:StuartDickson said:
Kilmarnock is a safe SNP seat (SNP currently 1/20). You mean Kirkcaldy, on the other side of the country, in Fife. Lesley Laird, the Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, has no SNP opponent. The party have withdrawn support.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Mullin (SNP) 2015 £2,235
Mullin (SNP) 2017 £2,625
ScotGreen 2017 £707 to date
Lesley Laird (LAB) 2017 £1,425 to date
Neale Hanvey (IND, former SNP) 2017 £6,090 in 5 days since being de-selected0 -
Maybe I’m unusual but my family and I always watch the Queen’s Speech.0
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I am sure that is why the journos like to ask these questions. They know that most politicians will come up with something really cringey, and therefore memorable because they don't have the guts to say anything either witty, self depreciating or tell the interviewer they aren't answering. I remember Cameron and Davis in the Conservative leadership campaign being asked what type of underwear they wore, boxers or briefs ffs! Davis said briefs and I needed the mind bleach!squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
When you say Boris Trump 'does it better', do you mean he tells bigger whoppers, more brazenly or manages a nicer smile whilst lying? Or maybe a combination of all three?squareroot2 said:
but they when they think the guy is a lying little shit. Boruis is a liar but he does it better. Corbyn looks shifty all the time. McDonnell saying he would give no 11 to a homeless person, just makes him look an even bigger prat.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why do politicians do this shit. Nobody decides their vote on Gordon Brown because he says he likes R3 rather than Arctic Monkeys, or that Cameron isn't really a footie fan.squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:0 -
sarissa said:
Crowdfunding campaigns for this seat:StuartDickson said:
Kilmarnock is a safe SNP seat (SNP currently 1/20). You mean Kirkcaldy, on the other side of the country, in Fife. Lesley Laird, the Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, has no SNP opponent. The party have withdrawn support.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Years corrected!
Mullin (SNP) 2015 £2,235
Mullin (SNP) 2017 £2,625
ScotGreen 2019 £707 to date
Lesley Laird (LAB) 2019 £1,425 to date
Neale Hanvey (IND, former SNP) 2017 £6,090 in 5 days since being de-selected0 -
Appearance of honesty is right. Whereas in fact she stages things to make points like the so-called confrontation with Johnson. Or the 'my staff are barricaded in' with the guy who knocked on the windows (whom she laughed and joked with at his hearing).Nigel_Foremain said:
What is so funny? Because you don't like her? I am not sure she is my cup of tea, but I think her appearance of honesty might contrast very well with Johnson, and she is from the midlands and doesn't sound as though she has a whole tree full of plums up her arse. The only reason Johnson has a chance of winning this election is because Labour are headed by Mr Thicky. Remove Mr Thicky and it will be bye bye Boris next election.wooliedyed said:
Jess Phillips, lololololololBrom said:I remember when people were arguing that Nick Boles was a loss to the Tory party
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1202171400880115712
That, and I detest women politicians who do photo shoots. Its extremely tacky. As was Rees Moggs for Tatler tbf.
Plus she has zero shadow ministerial experience.1 -
Great answer from Raab, knowing damn well that it’s illegal to report on anything to do with postal votes.Pulpstar said:Postal vote alert o_O
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/12018166165326315521 -
Me neither. Nobody does in truth. But if I'm faced with the question - unless it's posed in a menacing way - I will come up with something. Reason being that it's flattering to be asked.DecrepiterJohnL said:And that is another thing. I for one do not have a favourite biscuit.
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Pretty much what Ken Clarke said at his talk, and the Big Beast usually calls it pretty straight.Nigel_Foremain said:
What is so funny? Because you don't like her? I am not sure she is my cup of tea, but I think her appearance of honesty might contrast very well with Johnson, and she is from the midlands and doesn't sound as though she has a whole tree full of plums up her arse. The only reason Johnson has a chance of winning this election is because Labour are headed by Mr Thicky. Remove Mr Thicky and it will be bye bye Boris next election.wooliedyed said:
Jess Phillips, lololololololBrom said:I remember when people were arguing that Nick Boles was a loss to the Tory party
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King's Speech, not Queen'sDecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:
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Boris is pretty good at the PM press conference lark.0
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Cleared a date for Andrew Neill yet?Banterman said:Boris is pretty good at the PM press conference lark.
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Now it's Boris who sounds petulant and rattled when asked a perfectly reasonable question (albeit one not related to the NATO summit):
Q: Did you make it clear to Trump that the NHS would not be on the table in trade talks? If so, does that mean this time next year the UK could be leaving the transition with no EU trade deal and no US trade deal?
Johnson says the questions are now scrapping the bottom of the barrel. He will wrap up. He ends with a riff about the choice at the election: between getting Brexit done, and having two referendums.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/dec/04/general-election-tories-juggle-trump-nato-and-campaigning-live
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For me its a case of Boris being Boris, I don't like him. I am only voting for him to keep Corbyn out. He does not instill the feeling of utter loathing I have for Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
When you say Boris Trump 'does it better', do you mean he tells bigger whoppers, more brazenly or manages a nicer smile whilst lying? Or maybe a combination of all three?squareroot2 said:
but they when they think the guy is a lying little shit. Boruis is a liar but he does it better. Corbyn looks shifty all the time. McDonnell saying he would give no 11 to a homeless person, just makes him look an even bigger prat.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why do politicians do this shit. Nobody decides their vote on Gordon Brown because he says he likes R3 rather than Arctic Monkeys, or that Cameron isn't really a footie fan.squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:
If Brexit was not on the horizon I would not vote for either main party, most likely abstain, given Swinson's lack of capability in the job.0 -
He hasn't actually provided any results though, has he?TheScreamingEagles said:2 -
He never does. Just boasting, as usual.Gabs3 said:
He hasn't actually provided any results though, has he?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think using her kid to make a political stunt is what will put people off Philipps.wooliedyed said:
Appearance of honesty is right. Whereas in fact she stages things to make points like the so-called confrontation with Johnson. Or the 'my staff are barricaded in' with the guy who knocked on the windows (whom she laughed and joked with at his hearing).Nigel_Foremain said:
What is so funny? Because you don't like her? I am not sure she is my cup of tea, but I think her appearance of honesty might contrast very well with Johnson, and she is from the midlands and doesn't sound as though she has a whole tree full of plums up her arse. The only reason Johnson has a chance of winning this election is because Labour are headed by Mr Thicky. Remove Mr Thicky and it will be bye bye Boris next election.wooliedyed said:
Jess Phillips, lololololololBrom said:I remember when people were arguing that Nick Boles was a loss to the Tory party
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1202171400880115712
That, and I detest women politicians who do photo shoots. Its extremely tacky. As was Rees Moggs for Tatler tbf.
Plus she has zero shadow ministerial experience.1 -
If you want to vote for a liar and a charlatan, just say so. No need to try and justify it.squareroot2 said:
For me its a case of Boris being Boris, I don't like him. I am only voting for him to keep Corbyn out. He does not instill the feeling of utter loathing I have for Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
When you say Boris Trump 'does it better', do you mean he tells bigger whoppers, more brazenly or manages a nicer smile whilst lying? Or maybe a combination of all three?squareroot2 said:
but they when they think the guy is a lying little shit. Boruis is a liar but he does it better. Corbyn looks shifty all the time. McDonnell saying he would give no 11 to a homeless person, just makes him look an even bigger prat.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why do politicians do this shit. Nobody decides their vote on Gordon Brown because he says he likes R3 rather than Arctic Monkeys, or that Cameron isn't really a footie fan.squareroot2 said:
Its just like Gordon Brown pretending that he like the Arctic Monkeys.squareroot2 said:
Corbyn is an epic lying little shit.. Is SO here to call him out on it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yeah there was some bloke on the year before.Sunil_Prasannan said:
First Queen's Speech was at 3.07pm, Christmas 1952DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Surely the Queen's Speech used to be on in the morning -- but on the radio -- and then repeated on telly in the afternoon? Is that no longer the case?FrancisUrquhart said:
Bullshit...everybody knows the Queen speech is on in the afternoon. Even those that don't watch it, normally so as to make sure you have something else queued up for the moving picture box at that time.noneoftheabove said:
Exactly. Most sane people will have sometimes watched it and other times not. Many will not know what time it is despite having watched it sometimes.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Sounds as if he is like most people who are not determined either to watch it or miss it. A lot of families will have the telly on all day and if HMQ happens to be on, then are they watching it?Philip_Thompson said:
Just say no, its not difficult. I don't, I'd rather spend the time with my family. No reason not to say that.CarlottaVance said:
If Brexit was not on the horizon I would not vote for either main party, most likely abstain, given Swinson's lack of capability in the job.1 -
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.0 -
If I was Boris, I'd avoid one too. Zero upside from doing it.Peter_the_Punter said:
Cleared a date for Andrew Neill yet?Banterman said:Boris is pretty good at the PM press conference lark.
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I don't think that anyone cares about Corbyn not watching it. It's the lying to pretend he is patriotic which hurts. It both cuts through a previous strength ("he tells things as he sees them") while reinforcing a negative (wouldn't sing the National Anthem, opposes NATO, coddles up to Britain's enemies).roserees64 said:Given that the Royal family are planning to have a low profile for a while, for obvious reasons it's probably not wise to mention them too often.
Queens Speech? Dim memory of watching that some 40years ago, is it still on the television around Christmas time. Sorry if I missed something important here.I might have dozed through it as most of us do.2 -
It's Yes although Trump doesn't like itStocky said:
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.
Canada has lower prices than the USA.0 -
Yes indeed - much worse than anything that nice Mr Johnson and sweet old Corbyn have done. Priorities eh, Gab?Gabs3 said:
I think using her kid to make a political stunt is what will put people off Philipps.wooliedyed said:
Appearance of honesty is right. Whereas in fact she stages things to make points like the so-called confrontation with Johnson. Or the 'my staff are barricaded in' with the guy who knocked on the windows (whom she laughed and joked with at his hearing).Nigel_Foremain said:
What is so funny? Because you don't like her? I am not sure she is my cup of tea, but I think her appearance of honesty might contrast very well with Johnson, and she is from the midlands and doesn't sound as though she has a whole tree full of plums up her arse. The only reason Johnson has a chance of winning this election is because Labour are headed by Mr Thicky. Remove Mr Thicky and it will be bye bye Boris next election.wooliedyed said:
Jess Phillips, lololololololBrom said:I remember when people were arguing that Nick Boles was a loss to the Tory party
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1202171400880115712
That, and I detest women politicians who do photo shoots. Its extremely tacky. As was Rees Moggs for Tatler tbf.
Plus she has zero shadow ministerial experience.0 -
That actually sounds kind of fun, a nice balance of romantic and weird.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's so disappointing that he didn't reply that the most romantic sort of wild and reckless thing he'd ever done was whisk the young Diane Abbott off on a motorcycle tour of the state-owned factories of East Germany.nico67 said:I don’t blame Corbyn for not answering the romance question . What a stupid question . And if you answer it then most might reach for the sick bag .
OK, so maybe I'm not an average sample...
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Oh dear.Stocky said:
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.0 -
I've picked a team, care to create an access code ?Quincel said:Are we doing a PB.com League for Fantasy Election? Someone in my brother's league has chosen Aaron Bell in his team (and a good pick imho)!
https://fantasy-election.com/0 -
Almost impossible for Unionists to know who to vote for in East Lothian. On paper, SLab are strongest, but all recent data points to the SCons being a stronger challenger to the SNP.Burgessian said:
East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Naturally, this lack of clarity heavily favours the SNP. Best prices:
SNP 8/11
SLab 3/1
SCon 16/5
SLD 125/10 -
If Pritti Patel had a 28 year old son, up on a charge of biting a policeman, it would have non stop, wall to wall coverage.
Wonder why Abbott's son story is only in the Mail and Telegraph? Anyone got eyes on the legal letters comrade Diane sent out?1 -
Sure, and it's ok for Brave Sir Boris to run away, but if anybody else did it.....Banterman said:
If I was Boris, I'd avoid one too. Zero upside from doing it.Peter_the_Punter said:
Cleared a date for Andrew Neill yet?Banterman said:Boris is pretty good at the PM press conference lark.
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I did say I was guessing.moonshine said:
Oh dear.Stocky said:
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.0 -
WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza! 0
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Ivan Lewis has conceded he cant win Bury South and endorses the Tories0
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I enjoy your posts - they focus on the betting.StuartDickson said:
Almost impossible for Unionists to know who to vote for in East Lothian. On paper, SLab are strongest, but all recent data points to the SCons being a stronger challenger to the SNP.Burgessian said:
East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Naturally, this lack of clarity heavily favours the SNP. Best prices:
SNP 8/11
SLab 3/1
SCon 16/5
SLD 125/1
How many total SNP seats do you reckon?0 -
If Neale Hanvey wins, will bookies pay out on SNP bets?sarissa said:
Crowdfunding campaigns for this seat:StuartDickson said:
Kilmarnock is a safe SNP seat (SNP currently 1/20). You mean Kirkcaldy, on the other side of the country, in Fife. Lesley Laird, the Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, has no SNP opponent. The party have withdrawn support.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Mullin (SNP) 2015 £2,235
Mullin (SNP) 2017 £2,625
ScotGreen 2017 £707 to date
Lesley Laird (LAB) 2017 £1,425 to date
Neale Hanvey (IND, former SNP) 2017 £6,090 in 5 days since being de-selected0 -
Yesm look at the coverage of Boris dad taking the piss about spelling pinocchio, you'd think hed murdered a tramp live on tvBanterman said:If Pritti Patel had a 28 year old son, up on a charge of biting a policeman, it would have non stop, wall to wall coverage.
Wonder why Abbott's son story is only in the Mail and Telegraph? Anyone got eyes on the legal letters comrade Diane sent out?0 -
Wow - he`s ex Labour isn`t he?wooliedyed said:Ivan Lewis has conceded he cant win Bury South and endorses the Tories
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Ding ding!eek said:
It's Yes although Trump doesn't like itStocky said:
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.
Canada has lower prices than the USA.
So we have established that there is no ratified trade deal between the EU and US. So the status quo for the UK is trading under WTO tariff schedule. Nothing has to be done to end up where we are now with respect to our US trading arrangement.
Should both parties decide it optimal to reduce barriers to trade, precedent says it is perfectly possible to agree a trade deal with the US that will not lead to rampant inflation in drugs prices for the NHS.
So we can conclude that this component of Labour’s campaign is a concocted nonsense.
Hence Boris’s comment today about the subject “scraping the bottom of the barrel”.0 -
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
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I agree. That he felt the need to lie is a character issue.GideonWise said:I like the Royal family and think on the whole it is a good thing for the UK.
Would I ever watch the Queen's Speech? Never in a million years. Boring and a bit of a vibe killer.
Not bothered by Corbyn not watching it but it is amusing seeing him lie so blatantly.0 -
Bear in mind their core vote is capable of weapons grade mawkishness about how we fund our hospitals. For some that's a substitute for the monarchy but a large demographic reveres both in parallel.GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
btw John Mcdonnell on WATO sounding 150% as old, querulous, past it and out of his depth as Jezza. Not a good day for team red.0 -
I am not saying this will change anything, but the strangest things do....think Ed and his bacon sandwich and the Ed Stone definitely hurt Labour.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
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He was one of the indies that quit labour. He says he is sorry he left it late but having received anti semitic abuse from a senior unite official and talking to voters he has concluded Tory is the best way to stop Corbyn.Stocky said:
Wow - he`s ex Labour isn`t he?wooliedyed said:Ivan Lewis has conceded he cant win Bury South and endorses the Tories
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Low 40s.Stocky said:
I enjoy your posts - they focus on the betting.StuartDickson said:
Almost impossible for Unionists to know who to vote for in East Lothian. On paper, SLab are strongest, but all recent data points to the SCons being a stronger challenger to the SNP.Burgessian said:
East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Naturally, this lack of clarity heavily favours the SNP. Best prices:
SNP 8/11
SLab 3/1
SCon 16/5
SLD 125/1
How many total SNP seats do you reckon?
If pushed for an exact figure: 41.
(If I’m miles out, in my defence, there are a hell of a lot of marginals.)2 -
Anybody that does follow his advice and look at the postal votes is the one in the shit! lol!Gabs3 said:
He hasn't actually provided any results though, has he?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect he means look at the level of returns. Is it illegal to say how many postals have been returned?1 -
It is a nightmare to call, I think I've settled on 43 but fear I am being overly optimistic.StuartDickson said:
Low 40s.Stocky said:
I enjoy your posts - they focus on the betting.StuartDickson said:
Almost impossible for Unionists to know who to vote for in East Lothian. On paper, SLab are strongest, but all recent data points to the SCons being a stronger challenger to the SNP.Burgessian said:
East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Naturally, this lack of clarity heavily favours the SNP. Best prices:
SNP 8/11
SLab 3/1
SCon 16/5
SLD 125/1
How many total SNP seats do you reckon?
If pushed for an exact figure: 41.
(If I’m miles out, in my defence, there are a hell of a lot of marginals.)0 -
I reckon trying to pick the Scottish seats is the trickiest aspect of this election by miles. Tories could be anywhere from 3 to 16.StuartDickson said:
Low 40s.Stocky said:
I enjoy your posts - they focus on the betting.StuartDickson said:
Almost impossible for Unionists to know who to vote for in East Lothian. On paper, SLab are strongest, but all recent data points to the SCons being a stronger challenger to the SNP.Burgessian said:
East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Naturally, this lack of clarity heavily favours the SNP. Best prices:
SNP 8/11
SLab 3/1
SCon 16/5
SLD 125/1
How many total SNP seats do you reckon?
If pushed for an exact figure: 41.
(If I’m miles out, in my defence, there are a hell of a lot of marginals.)0 -
I suspect people who are 'persuaded' by that sort of thing are only looking for a way to justify their tribal views. It's depressingly trivial and banal, but people who are open to persuasion wouldn't be troubled or influenced by such nonsense.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am not saying this will change anything, but the strangest things do....think Ed and his bacon sandwich and the Ed Stone definitely hurt Labour.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
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I don't think so.Peter_the_Punter said:
Sure, and it's ok for Brave Sir Boris to run away, but if anybody else did it.....Banterman said:
If I was Boris, I'd avoid one too. Zero upside from doing it.Peter_the_Punter said:
Cleared a date for Andrew Neill yet?Banterman said:Boris is pretty good at the PM press conference lark.
Pretty sure many a politician has avoided Neil at election times. In fact I can't recall any election ever where the PM was interviewed by Neil and went on to win a majority.
Unless I am mistaken I don't recall Cameron ever being interviewed by Neil at election time and I don't recall you or others making a big deal about that.0 -
But it's not really about the Queens Speech per se is it? Its about the fact that even on something as trivial as what he watches on Christmas Day Jezza appears evasive and untrustworthy...Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
This is the sort of thing that will cut through with voters (much more so than the ins and outs of Brexit etc)1 -
Been out - what's the Queen's Speech thing please?0
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1. Yes.Stocky said:
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.
2. Massively cheaper, thanks to Canada having what Americans call a ‘single payer’ system that involves (as happens in the U.K.) a single negotiation for the whole country’s drug supply, and doesn’t involve pharmaceutical companies taking doctors on holiday and advertising prescription-only drugs on TV.0 -
Corbyn getting very confused over what time it's on on Christmas Day.MarqueeMark said:Been out - what's the Queen's Speech thing please?
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He watches it in the morning before it's televised...eek said:
Corbyn getting very confused over what time it's on on Christmas Day.MarqueeMark said:Been out - what's the Queen's Speech thing please?
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Jezza's just crashed the clown car again.MarqueeMark said:Been out - what's the Queen's Speech thing please?
He got caught lying, claiming he watches the Queen's speech in the morning....then went on to say he would give Chequers over to the homeless and couldn't list a single thing he has ever done that is romantic.0 -
Sandpit also wins the star prizeSandpit said:
1. Yes.Stocky said:
I`m guessing:moonshine said:
Question 1) Does Canada have a free trade agreement with the US?kinabalu said:
The scenario would be where we genuinely need the deal because its successful implementation is expected to bring great benefits. In which case a PM with the national interest at heart - and with the next election perhaps years away - might not allow the sacred cow status of the NHS to get in the away. Course if we don't need the deal, that is wholly different.moonshine said:Status quo of UK - US trade is WTO terms. What dire scenario are you imagining that a UK PM and majority of Parliament are prepared to end their careers by yielding on this point in order to get a trade deal in place?
This is puerile playground stuff.
Question 2) What is the relative price of pharmaceuticals in Canada versus the US?
If you get both these answers right, your prize is the wisdom to ignore the bullshit coming out of Labour and vote for someone else.
1) No
2) Canada higher prices I`d say - they tax the fuck out of everything there.
2. Massively cheaper, thanks to Canada having what Americans call a ‘single payer’ system that involves (as happens in the U.K.) a single negotiation for the whole country’s drug supply, and doesn’t involve pharmaceutical companies taking doctors on holiday and advertising prescription-only drugs on TV.1 -
Twitter really is like an alternative reality....I just gone on and absolutely Queen's speech is a huge media smear about how Jezza doesn't watch the it.0
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I'm hearing Jeremy Corbyn will announce his resignation at 3.15pm today and then voluntarily run the gauntlet at 10 different British Legion clubs before sitting in some stocks to be pelted by Sun-reading Millwall fans.GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
Defending the NHS, abolishing tuition fees, and renationalising rail are one thing, but not standing to attention and saluting Her Majesty and asking God to bless the entire royal family before tucking into Christmas dinner is a disgrace and snap polls were showing a 15% swing from Labour to the Tories.
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You’ll rarely get a better example of how divorced some PBers are from reality. This place is a weird bubble. The inhabitants are not normal. They wildly exaggerate tiny variables on voting behaviour and totally ignore huge variables affecting voting behaviour.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
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Cameron refused to face Paxo after the first time; he mentions it in his book.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think so.Peter_the_Punter said:
Sure, and it's ok for Brave Sir Boris to run away, but if anybody else did it.....Banterman said:
If I was Boris, I'd avoid one too. Zero upside from doing it.Peter_the_Punter said:
Cleared a date for Andrew Neill yet?Banterman said:Boris is pretty good at the PM press conference lark.
Pretty sure many a politician has avoided Neil at election times. In fact I can't recall any election ever where the PM was interviewed by Neil and went on to win a majority.
Unless I am mistaken I don't recall Cameron ever being interviewed by Neil at election time and I don't recall you or others making a big deal about that.0 -
I assume so, he's still SNP on the ballot.StuartDickson said:
If Neale Hanvey wins, will bookies pay out on SNP bets?sarissa said:
Crowdfunding campaigns for this seat:StuartDickson said:
Kilmarnock is a safe SNP seat (SNP currently 1/20). You mean Kirkcaldy, on the other side of the country, in Fife. Lesley Laird, the Shadow Secretary of State for Scotland, has no SNP opponent. The party have withdrawn support.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Mullin (SNP) 2015 £2,235
Mullin (SNP) 2017 £2,625
ScotGreen 2017 £707 to date
Lesley Laird (LAB) 2017 £1,425 to date
Neale Hanvey (IND, former SNP) 2017 £6,090 in 5 days since being de-selected0 -
Yes, much more influential than somebody saying they would never allow Brexit to put our border in the Irish Sea and then doing just that. That sort of lie is much more difficult for people to get their heads around.GIN1138 said:
But it's not really about the Queens Speech per se is it? Its about the fact that even on something as trivial as what he watches on Christmas Day Jezza appears evasive and untrustworthy...Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
This is the sort of thing that will cut through with voters (much more so than the ins and outs of Brexit etc)
What I am of course saying, Gin, is what I am sure you understand already. People who don't want to vote for one side will seize on anything, however trivial, to justify it whilst ignoring the most preposterous lies on their own side.
Cuts both ways of course. You would accept that, no?0 -
Has Boris dodged the final bullets?
He's successfully swerved Andrew Neil, thanks to a False Flag Zio-Nazi attack, sorry, Islamist assault on our narwhals.
He's tip-toed neatly and intact through a festival of landmines, AKA the NATO summit with Trump,
Instead we are talking about Corbyn's total inability to tell a decent lie, despite lying all his life, often to himself.
We're in the home straight.3 -
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I've picked a team, care to create an access code ?Quincel said:Are we doing a PB.com League for Fantasy Election? Someone in my brother's league has chosen Aaron Bell in his team (and a good pick imho)!
https://fantasy-election.com/0 -
5 gains from SLab, 2 from SCon and lose Fife NE?StuartDickson said:
Low 40s.Stocky said:
I enjoy your posts - they focus on the betting.StuartDickson said:
Almost impossible for Unionists to know who to vote for in East Lothian. On paper, SLab are strongest, but all recent data points to the SCons being a stronger challenger to the SNP.Burgessian said:
East Lothian is one of only three constituencies that Labour holds in the Scottish Parliament (Iain Gray) so I agree that it must be one of their better chances for a hold. Just wonder whether SCon voters would be able to bear voting for Corbyn. Will be an interesting one - as SCon had a v good result in a fairly recent council by-election in this seat, going from third to first.Andy_JS said:
I'm pretty sure East Lothian is Labour's second-best prospect rather than Kilmarnock.StuartDickson said:Scottish Labour are currently FAV in just 2 of the country’s 59 seats (3.4%):
Edinburgh South 3/10
Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 8/11
In the other 5 current SLab seats the SNP are FAV. Here are the SLab prices:
Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill 2/1
East Lothian 3/1
Glasgow North East 7/2
Midlothian 7/2
Rutherglen and Hamilton West 7/2
East Lothian stands out as a great price, due to the huge residual /SLD vote (18,278 at GE17) in that area. Surely a few thousand will hold their noses and cast a vote for their Better Together pals?
Naturally, this lack of clarity heavily favours the SNP. Best prices:
SNP 8/11
SLab 3/1
SCon 16/5
SLD 125/1
How many total SNP seats do you reckon?
If pushed for an exact figure: 41.
(If I’m miles out, in my defence, there are a hell of a lot of marginals.)0 -
If only Boris could be caught on fibbing in a similar way.GIN1138 said:
But it's not really about the Queens Speech per se is it? Its about the fact that even on something as trivial as what he watches on Christmas Day Jezza appears evasive and untrustworthy...Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
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How would he know either how many votes have been returned or who has voted which way?MarqueeMark said:
Anybody that does follow his advice and look at the postal votes is the one in the shit! lol!Gabs3 said:
He hasn't actually provided any results though, has he?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect he means look at the level of returns. Is it illegal to say how many postals have been returned?
It is remarkable if that is normal practice that the candidates get to see such data during the election. Do the independent candidates get offered the same? Might be worth standing in a marginal to use the data for betting!0 -
You're prepared to put an avowed anti-Semite in power, just because you want to reverse a democratic vote to Brexit.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, much more influential than somebody saying they would never allow Brexit to put our border in the Irish Sea and then doing just that. That sort of lie is much more difficult for people to get their heads around.GIN1138 said:
But it's not really about the Queens Speech per se is it? Its about the fact that even on something as trivial as what he watches on Christmas Day Jezza appears evasive and untrustworthy...Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
This is the sort of thing that will cut through with voters (much more so than the ins and outs of Brexit etc)
What I am of course saying, Gin, is what I am sure you understand already. People who don't want to vote for one side will seize on anything, however trivial, to justify it whilst ignoring the most preposterous lies on their own side.
Cuts both ways of course. You would accept that, no?
Buy a mirror. This is not your noblest hour.2 -
Just over one week until The Big Bong!Byronic said:Has Boris dodged the final bullets?
He's successfully swerved Andrew Neil, thanks to a False Flag Zio-Nazi attack, sorry, Islamist assault on our narwhals.
He's tip-toed neatly and intact through a festival of landmines, AKA the NATO summit with Trump,
Instead we are talking about Corbyn's total inability to tell a decent lie, despite lying all his life, often to himself.
We're in the home straight. 0 -
An stupid blunder by Corbyn which normally would have been a matter for slight hilarity but which is now being blown up into something major because we are all bored waiting for the next polls.MarqueeMark said:Been out - what's the Queen's Speech thing please?
And I DETEST Corbyn and would sell my own children* if it meant he wouldn't end up as PM. But even I think it is all a but silly.
*If my children are reading this don't worry, I would only sell one of you, picked at random by shortest straw.3 -
Too many people on it forget how exceptional their/our interest levels are. You could put this on the front page of tomorrow's Sun and most people wouldn't care, and unless it gets that kind of coverage almost no-one will even know it happened.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter really is like an alternative reality....I just gone on and absolutely Queen's speech is a huge media smear about how Jezza doesn't watch the it.
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Guido suggesting that the ‘Advance Together’ independent in Esther and Walton is a well-known Lib Dem activist, and that they’re not quite as independent as they seem. This being the guy with some interesting anti-Raab leaflets going through doors today.
https://order-order.com/2019/12/04/former-lib-dems-kamikaze-campaign-raab/0 -
Oh Rose, come on now.roserees64 said:Given that the Royal family are planning to have a low profile for a while, for obvious reasons it's probably not wise to mention them too often.
Queens Speech? Dim memory of watching that some 40years ago, is it still on the television around Christmas time. Sorry if I missed something important here.I might have dozed through it as most of us do.
Jez should just have said something like: 'Christmas Day is a wonderful, hectic time where, like most families, there isn't a free minute so I rarely get the opportunity'.
Question instantly forgotten about.
Instead because he knew telling the truth would create another hook for voters to hang their doubts on he fumbled around and came up with a ridiculous story that a 5 year old could see through.
Now the story has legs.
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Canada is America's next door neighbour. US businesses have millions of reasons for wanting no friction within their US/Canada trade area. So US Big Pharma has to take its place in the queue of US businesses wanting concessions out of Canada.moonshine said:
Should both parties decide it optimal to reduce barriers to trade, precedent says it is perfectly possible to agree a trade deal with the US that will not lead to rampant inflation in drugs prices for the NHS.
So we can conclude that this component of Labour’s campaign is a concocted nonsense.
US businesses are less fussed about most British sales opportunities. But the NHS is the world's biggest single customer for drugs, and US Big Pharma wants to make more money - because the NHS treats US Big Pharma the same way that WalMart treats Coca-Cola. It negotiates. So making more money out of pharma sales to the UK (by making buyer-led price negotiation as illegal in the UK as it is in the US) is high on America's list of objectives from any UK trade deal: indeed the only other two of any substance are:
- for US agribusiness to sell the UK food made in conformity with US rules, which are incompatible with the EU's rules
- for US aerospace - heavily subsidised by the US government - not to have to cope with competition from Airbus, which receives more or less the same subsidies from Euro-governments that US planemakers get from theirs.
Without UK concessions on planes, pharma or agribusiness, there's no UK-US trade deal. Trump has no countervailing concessions to offer back.
So the commercial illiterates who see a US trade deal (NOT a US free trade deal, because Trump's insistent on LESS free trade) simply don't understand the damage the US wants to do to the UK.
So we can conclude that this element of Brexiteers' campaign is the kind of nonsense you have to be astronomically ignorant of commercial realities to believe.1 -
Unfortunately Boris gets away with being a bit of a fibber. Jezza doesn't.logical_song said:
If only Boris could be caught on fibbing in a similar way.GIN1138 said:
But it's not really about the Queens Speech per se is it? Its about the fact that even on something as trivial as what he watches on Christmas Day Jezza appears evasive and untrustworthy...Peter_the_Punter said:
Well that's what really matters in this election - not Brexit, not the NHS, not Pensions, NATO, not anything like that. It's The Queen's Speech!GIN1138 said:WOW! Has QueensSpeechGate torpedoed Jezza!
This is the sort of thing that will cut through with voters (much more so than the ins and outs of Brexit etc)
That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes and lets face it Labur had a good run with Teflon Tony and his "pretty straight kinda guy" shtick. 0 -
A twitter storm on such a subject, which very few people would care about, must be contrived.Quincel said:
Too many people on it forget how exceptional their/our interest levels are. You could put this on the front page of tomorrow's Sun and most people wouldn't care, and unless it gets that kind of coverage almost no-one will even know it happened.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter really is like an alternative reality....I just gone on and absolutely Queen's speech is a huge media smear about how Jezza doesn't watch the it.
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Most likely....although as I say, the weirdest things cut through. It is often the non-political lies that seem to get some traction. Brown biscuit gate / arctic monkeys, Cameron West Ham Villa.Quincel said:
Too many people on it forget how exceptional their/our interest levels are. You could put this on the front page of tomorrow's Sun and most people wouldn't care, and unless it gets that kind of coverage almost no-one will even know it happened.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter really is like an alternative reality....I just gone on and absolutely Queen's speech is a huge media smear about how Jezza doesn't watch the it.
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I do love taking a hit of the big bong. Once every five years is usually enough.GIN1138 said:
Just over one week until The Big Bong!Byronic said:Has Boris dodged the final bullets?
He's successfully swerved Andrew Neil, thanks to a False Flag Zio-Nazi attack, sorry, Islamist assault on our narwhals.
He's tip-toed neatly and intact through a festival of landmines, AKA the NATO summit with Trump,
Instead we are talking about Corbyn's total inability to tell a decent lie, despite lying all his life, often to himself.
We're in the home straight. 0
