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Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.0 -
I would feel more comfortable judging what this London poll implies once we have the next national (GB) YouGov poll. The previous London poll (30/10-4/11) showed a 10 point Lab lead in the capital. The two corresponding GB polls (31/10-1/11 & 1/11-4/11) showed Tory leads of 12 and 13, respectively, or 12.5 on average. Labour's lead on the London x-tabs, FWIW, was 11.5 on average, broadly in line with the London only poll.wooliedyed said:
Landslide. Labour are going backwards fast outside southern remainia. They wont make 30% on polling dayAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yep, said this the other day. Pile up votes in urban areas, lose Northern marginals. Result is Tory majority.kjohnw1 said:
If Labour Is piling up votes in London then that surely increases the chances of a Tory landslidenunu2 said:This is really bad for Labour. A lot of their increase in the polls is coming from London.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMurphyLondon/status/1201820430669144065
Now we have a London only poll showing a 17 point Lab lead, covering 28/11-2/12. But we only have a GB poll covering the first two days of that period, 28/11-29/11. That poll has a Con lead of just 9 with a Lab lead of 14 on the London cross-tab. So it's entirely possible that the next GB poll from YouGov, covering the second half of the period, shows a bigger Labour lead on the London cross tab and a smaller Tory lead nationally. And then it would mean that the London poll is simply picking up a further swing to Labour nationally. It need not imply Labour is going backwards elsewhere, since we know from the 28-29/11 poll that Labour has caught up versus a month ago nationally, and it may have caught up even more when the next YouGov poll is published.
I am not saying this is the explanation, simply that the YouGov polls so far are not inconsistent with this explanation. (I am also not saying that Labour is not doing better in the South than the Midlands/North - that is abundantly clear).0 -
In terms of stand up, put anyone today alongside Dave Allen. No competition.0
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On stand-up:
Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr are god-tier. Even a snowflake would enjoy them provided they can take a joke.
Tim Vine is good fun if you like wordplay and zaniness and want to forget politics for an hour.0 -
I think one problem with comedians these days is all their good stuff goes on YouTube really quickly. They don't even get a year out of their material....and if you aren't really really good you can't come up with quality material fast enough. Also, most of them have Brexit / Trump derangement syndrome.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
Henning Wehn is a classic example. When he started he had a really funny 30 mins worth of routine, but that is it. Now half is show is rehashed old stuff and the new half is always poorer than the rehashed stuff.
And unlike bands, people don't see them on YouTube and go I must see that live. If you have heard the gag before, it ain't funny the second or third time around.1 -
The innocent hope expressed by the Channel 4 focus group last night could be troublesome for the next government. A lot will hang on Johnson's shifting shoulders as elation could turn to disappointment when Brexit turns to dust in his hands and austerity continues to bite.
A house built on sand will soon collapse, the question is how long will this take to happen?0 -
Yes. Most polls show the tories unchanged from 2017 whereas this shows the tories down 3% in London. Which means Tories are up 3% somewhere else.bigjohnowls said:
London isnunu2 said:
The national polls show the Tories unchanged from 2017?TheScreamingEagles said:
Lab -7.5%
Con -3.1%
LD +6.2%
Compared to GE 2017
The question is where? Probably in the midlands and north0 -
Stewart Lee. He's a killer.wooliedyed said:In terms of stand up, put anyone today alongside Dave Allen. No competition.
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Saw him live once. Great man.wooliedyed said:In terms of stand up, put anyone today alongside Dave Allen. No competition.
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I think Stewart Lee views his role as a comedian as generating comedy from being very offensive to almost everyone.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.0 -
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No Marcus Brigstocke on your list......I saw Chris Addison year ago and he was chronically unfunny as well.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.0 -
Sarah Millican makes me want to rip my ears off and feed them to a dog.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
Mainly because they hope to advance their politics through their comedy.0 -
Measured response from Trump this morning saying he could work with whoever wins the UK election and he has no interest in including the NHS in any trade deal0
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I concur.SunnyJim said:
It has been discussed before on here about how a seemingly impregnable Scottish Labour fell quickly and hard in 2015.DavidL said:
My mother in law has been voting Labour for most of that century. Approaching 84, Labour member since 1963, widow of Labour Councillor, traditionally sees Labour as an extension of her Christian beliefs, cannot stand Corbyn, can't bring herself to vote for him. Labour have tested their traditional support to breaking point.
I'm not sure the correlation with England is quite there though because the ideological journey from Lab>Con is a different order of magnitude to Lab>SNP.
It must be remembered that Scottish Labour campaigned very hard during the 80s and 90s for Scottish devolution. This, in combination with common social democratic values, made the journey from Lab to SNP extremely easy for many Scottish voters.
The gap between English Labour and the English Tories has always been much wider, and the gulf is larger now than it was 10 years ago.
Only the Lib Dems could crush English Labour, and at the moment they couldn’t crush a grape.0 -
A dear friend of mine bid in a Guardian charity auction, for Mark Steele to do a one man show in their front room. Their politics are very much alligned, so should be a blast she thought. And not a small sum either - around £3,500. Which she then won. But was somewhat pissed off when Mark Steele refused to do the show - because he had to travel to Grimsby.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.
Fair play to her, she let the charity keep the money. But since then I have hoped there is a bit of Hell set aside for him where he has to re-enact 70's Wheeltappers and Shunters material with Bernard Manning. For the rest of eternity.1 -
I am sure Mark Thomas does, but at least back in the day, he was genuinely funny. I think a good part of it was he was able to laugh at how nuts some of the people involved marches and protests actually are.Casino_Royale said:FrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
Mainly because they hope to advance their politics through their comedy.
It seems Nish Kumar anybody opposed to him politically as the enemy and his side is not to be laughed at.0 -
Yes, that is why CCHQ insisted on the 12th rather than the Monday.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.0 -
I'd agree there despite his politics being hmmmm a little strident. He is a masterful comic and the segments with Chris Morris (another genuis) on his show were perfectkinabalu said:
Stewart Lee. He's a killer.wooliedyed said:In terms of stand up, put anyone today alongside Dave Allen. No competition.
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Ironically Sarah Millican is married to Gary Delaney. Now personally I quite like Sarah but then again I do come from the same town she did (as does Chris Ramsey and a remarkable large number of other comedians)...Essexit said:
Sarah Millican makes me want to rip my ears off and feed them to a dog.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.0 -
The real joy is trying to work out how many layers of irony there are in each bit - you often get the feeling he's not quite mocking the target it would appear he is.Casino_Royale said:
I think Stewart Lee views his role as a comedian as generating comedy from being very offensive to almost everyone.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.0 -
re election weather, usual big caveats apply to forecasts > 7 days ahead, but the following was posted this morning on a weather related website
"The 06Z GFS Operational Run is very like the 00Z Control Run in taking a rapidly developing low NE across Biscay & the SE of England next Friday & into Saturday and a =major= snow event for the SE. There is very little model agreement on this yet and not much EPS support, however there is a growing trend for a much colder type of air to be present across the UK, esp the north and there is growing Ensemble support for snow cover / snow fall % increase across northern parts during the 2nd half of next week. This may in part be aided by the below normal SST's to the West & north of the UK at present. It looks an increasingly interesting Election week to come weatherwise.
http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/122784-model-chat-december-2019/0 -
https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1201836478768263169
What a leader - just runs away when things get difficult0 -
BluerBlue said:
Oh dear - looks like Labour Leavers are sick of being treated with contempt by Labour, and prefer to vote for a party that will actually respect their democratic choice. What a shame.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour Leavers really have a call to make over the next 10 days. The Tories have screwed them over every single time they've been in power, do they want another five years of that? There are signs they're coming back - but they need to move and fast. We can still change things for the better and get this awful Government out.
p.s. There are 8 full days of campaigning left.
I don’t know what will happen in the election but it seems at the moment, from reading the posts on here, that Labour is far more likely to howl with rage at the ‘betrayal’ of their Northern/Midlands voters than listen to them and learn from it.0 -
He's awful, but I did love We Are HistoryFrancisUrquhart said:
No Marcus Brigstocke on your list......I saw Chris Addison year ago and he was chronically unfunny as well.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.0 -
Where's Stu Francis when you need him?StuartDickson said:
I concur.SunnyJim said:
It has been discussed before on here about how a seemingly impregnable Scottish Labour fell quickly and hard in 2015.DavidL said:
My mother in law has been voting Labour for most of that century. Approaching 84, Labour member since 1963, widow of Labour Councillor, traditionally sees Labour as an extension of her Christian beliefs, cannot stand Corbyn, can't bring herself to vote for him. Labour have tested their traditional support to breaking point.
I'm not sure the correlation with England is quite there though because the ideological journey from Lab>Con is a different order of magnitude to Lab>SNP.
It must be remembered that Scottish Labour campaigned very hard during the 80s and 90s for Scottish devolution. This, in combination with common social democratic values, made the journey from Lab to SNP extremely easy for many Scottish voters.
The gap between English Labour and the English Tories has always been much wider, and the gulf is larger now than it was 10 years ago.
Only the Lib Dems could crush English Labour, and at the moment they couldn’t crush a grape.0 -
It’s cynical and wrong, but I guess it’s about the dislocation from student turnout peer pressure as much as anything else.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, that is why CCHQ insisted on the 12th rather than the Monday.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
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Trump says the NHS isn’t up in any trade talks . Thank heavens for that , he is a man who can be trusted and never lies abouf anything !0
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Her hubby is quite funny though.Essexit said:
Sarah Millican makes me want to rip my ears off and feed them to a dog.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.0 -
He always comes across as a total knob-end, so not surprised.MarqueeMark said:
A dear friend of mine bid in a Guardian charity auction, for Mark Steele to do a one man show in their front room. Their politics are very much alligned, so should be a blast she thought. And not a small sum either - around £3,500. Which she then won. But was somewhat pissed off when Mark Steele refused to do the show - because he had to travel to Grimsby.
Fair play to her, she let the charity keep the money. But since then I have hoped there is a bit of Hell set aside for him where he has to re-enact 70's Wheeltappers and Shunters material with Bernard Manning. For the rest of eternity.0 -
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If https://unherd.com/2019/12/is-this-the-tories-real-manifesto/ is accurate it may not.roserees64 said:The innocent hope expressed by the Channel 4 focus group last night could be troublesome for the next government. A lot will hang on Johnson's shifting shoulders as elation could turn to disappointment when Brexit turns to dust in his hands and austerity continues to bite.
A house built on sand will soon collapse, the question is how long will this take to happen?
It does require a heap of investment however and the time scales may not work for Boris as it's going to require more than 4 years.0 -
I do have the Ladybook Guide to Tax & Spend. Excellent intro it has, a concise explanation of why one must look at the whole rather than individual bits & pieces in order to come to an intelligent and informed judgment of who gains and who loses. I will wrap and place under your tree.TOPPING said:You've bought the Idiots' Guide to the Labour manifesto?
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Both utter trash yes as is rufus hound.FrancisUrquhart said:
No Marcus Brigstocke on your list......I saw Chris Addison year ago and he was chronically unfunny as well.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
James Acaster has moments of greatness but not many.
As an OCD sufferer (the actual illness not the I'm a bit OCD offensive bollocks people get away with) I do like Jon Richardson0 -
Swing of 2.5% from Labour to the Tories in London ie below the 3.5% national average swing in the last Yougov which means the Tories are getting a bigger swing North of Watford and they will only gain Kensington from Labour in London with Battersea neck and neck (but probably lost if LDs tactically vote Labour).TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/MatthewGreen02/status/1201824372719308800bigjohnowls said:
How does that compare with GE 2017??wooliedyed said:London Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 47% (+8)
CON: 30% (+1)
LIB: 15% (-4)
GRN: 4% (-1)
BRX: 3% (-3)
YouGov 28 Nov- 2 Dec
Changes w October/November
Swing of 4.5% from the Tories to the LDs in London which with Labour tactical voting puts Tory Remain seats in London at risk, particularly Richmond Park, Cities of London and Westminster, Finchley and Golders Green etc0 -
Late?? Have I missed some important news?Alistair said:How good are we (political bettors) at predicting political outcomes in the face of overwhelming evidence?
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/2196/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-ipsos-mori-phone-poll-has-snp-with-28-lead-in-scotland/p1
The answer is not that good. January 2015, a series of massive SNP poll leads. People on the thread posting they couldn't see he SNP getting north of 25 seats. The bookies seat line in the mid twenties.
One poster seemed pretty shrewd though. The late, lamented antifrank seemed to know what was up.0 -
It’s hard not to laugh.
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I saw him once at Cambridge. He clearly felt he was on safe ground there and made most of his act about being very rude about The Queen. Not funny, just offensive.FrancisUrquhart said:
No Marcus Brigstocke on your list......I saw Chris Addison year ago and he was chronically unfunny as well.wooliedyed said:
Greg Davies is very funny as are some of the one liner comics like Gary Delaney. On the not funny list are the likes of John Bishop, Sarah Millican, Russell Howard, Frankie Boyle, Nish Kumar, Katherine Ryan, the odious Rob DelaneyFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
I almost walked out and was only prevented by doing so by my wife, to save her embarrassment and mine as he’d have spotted it and heckled me.
So I angrily grimaced and stared at my shoes instead with my arms folded until it finished.
We didn’t go back for the second half.0 -
Unfunniest c*** who really rates himself goes to John Oliver1
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I think, as soon as he detects his thinks his audience thinks he’s on their side, he turns tails and does his comedy the other way round.maaarsh said:
The real joy is trying to work out how many layers of irony there are in each bit - you often get the feeling he's not quite mocking the target it would appear he is.Casino_Royale said:
I think Stewart Lee views his role as a comedian as generating comedy from being very offensive to almost everyone.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.0 -
Al Murray back in the day had his pub landlord quite well balanced on that front. You genuinely didn't know if he was taking the piss out of people who think Pub landlord is a top bloke or your Guardian reading metropolitan type who thinks all people in working men's clubs are like that, or a bit of both. And initially a huge amount of it was improv.Casino_Royale said:
I think Stewart Lee views his role as a comedian as generating comedy from being very offensive to almost everyone.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.
I am fairly certain it is the former, but it wasn't Kumar you thick racist right wingers stuff.2 -
Sturgeon's SNP is also John Smith or Gordon Brown Labour ideologically (bar nationalism) ie social democratic not socialist and to the right of Corbyn LabourStuartDickson said:
I concur.SunnyJim said:
It has been discussed before on here about how a seemingly impregnable Scottish Labour fell quickly and hard in 2015.DavidL said:
My mother in law has been voting Labour for most of that century. Approaching 84, Labour member since 1963, widow of Labour Councillor, traditionally sees Labour as an extension of her Christian beliefs, cannot stand Corbyn, can't bring herself to vote for him. Labour have tested their traditional support to breaking point.
I'm not sure the correlation with England is quite there though because the ideological journey from Lab>Con is a different order of magnitude to Lab>SNP.
It must be remembered that Scottish Labour campaigned very hard during the 80s and 90s for Scottish devolution. This, in combination with common social democratic values, made the journey from Lab to SNP extremely easy for many Scottish voters.
The gap between English Labour and the English Tories has always been much wider, and the gulf is larger now than it was 10 years ago.
Only the Lib Dems could crush English Labour, and at the moment they couldn’t crush a grape.1 -
Good to see people now thinking about what happens after the election.
It's like a private admission of defeat.-1 -
Alternatively, it's because elections in this country are traditionally on a Thursday, and moving it to Monday at shortish notice just before Christmas might have had an even greater impact on the councils who have to actually organise the polling stations/counts etc.Time_to_Leave said:
It’s cynical and wrong, but I guess it’s about the dislocation from student turnout peer pressure as much as anything else.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Yes, that is why CCHQ insisted on the 12th rather than the Monday.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.
Students aren't being disenfranchised; they're just more likely to have to vote somewhere else, and even then they can apply for postal votes. It's only a problem if you're counting on them being able to vote twice...0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure Mark Thomas does, but at least back in the day, he was genuinely funny. I think a good part of it was he was able to laugh at how nuts some of the people involved marches and protests actually are.Casino_Royale said:FrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
There is a lot of very tame bland nonsense like Romesh Ranganathan and predictable ranty but unfunny Kumar. Even Mark Thomas, who despite totally disagreeing with politically, used to be very funny with his tales of protests / campaigns isn't very interesting these days.
Mainly because they hope to advance their politics through their comedy.
It seems Nish Kumar anybody opposed to him politically as the enemy and his side is not to be laughed at.
The first rule of comedy: be funny.
Any political impact you feel like making through your comedy should be incidental, and left up to the audience to decide, and not the central pitch of your act.0 -
Bob Mortimer is very funny and makes up for Jim Moir being less so1
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This is genuinely my favourite piece of stand upEssexit said:On stand-up:
Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr are god-tier. Even a snowflake would enjoy them provided they can take a joke.
Tim Vine is good fun if you like wordplay and zaniness and want to forget politics for an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkN226PToig
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Brecht said it best in The Solution:Casino_Royale said:BluerBlue said:
Oh dear - looks like Labour Leavers are sick of being treated with contempt by Labour, and prefer to vote for a party that will actually respect their democratic choice. What a shame.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour Leavers really have a call to make over the next 10 days. The Tories have screwed them over every single time they've been in power, do they want another five years of that? There are signs they're coming back - but they need to move and fast. We can still change things for the better and get this awful Government out.
p.s. There are 8 full days of campaigning left.
I don’t know what will happen in the election but it seems at the moment, from reading the posts on here, that Labour is far more likely to howl with rage at the ‘betrayal’ of their Northern/Midlands voters than listen to them and learn from it.
After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers' Union
Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could only win it back
By increased work quotas. Would it not in that case be simpler
for the government
To dissolve the people
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Yes, that’s a very good example.FrancisUrquhart said:
Al Murray back in the day had his pub landlord quite well balanced on that front. You genuinely didn't know if he was taking the piss out of people who think Pub landlord is a top bloke or your Guardian reading metropolitan type who thinks all people in working men's clubs are like that, or a bit of both. And initially a huge amount of it was improv.Casino_Royale said:
I think Stewart Lee views his role as a comedian as generating comedy from being very offensive to almost everyone.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.
I am fairly certain it is the former, but it wasn't Kumar you thick racist right wingers stuff.0 -
Lets spin it around to a positive...suggestions for a good stand-up comedian still doing the rounds?0
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Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.someone said:
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour0 -
Probably explains why when I saw him in Cambridge I came away feeling like he'd just taken the piss out of remainers for 2 hours straight without many of them seeming to notice.Casino_Royale said:
I think, as soon as he detects his thinks his audience thinks he’s on their side, he turns tails and does his comedy the other way round.maaarsh said:
The real joy is trying to work out how many layers of irony there are in each bit - you often get the feeling he's not quite mocking the target it would appear he is.Casino_Royale said:
I think Stewart Lee views his role as a comedian as generating comedy from being very offensive to almost everyone.FrancisUrquhart said:
I know I lot of people love him, but I just never been able to really get into him. Nothing to do with his politics either, Mark Thomas 5-10 years ago was an absolute hoot* even if his politics make Jezza look centre right.maaarsh said:
Stewart Lee's still pretty good - and he actually manages to pitch his character so it works whichever way you voted, unlike most of his north London contemporariesFrancisUrquhart said:
The level of stand-up comedy at the moment is very poor. I would say only Ross Noble is the only one who I have really really belly laughed through in the past couple of years.Brom said:
Comedian in question was in my class at school (same school as PB twitter faves Emily Benn and Aaron Bell). He was not amusing back then but has always been political and has carved out a career where his audience go for the politics rather than the laughs. Unfunny old world.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are Nish Kumar and I claim my £5.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, Bernard Manning sounds more like the audience's cup of tea.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that happened after he went all big baby and starting saying he wasn't leaving, he was going full Bercow and wouldn't budge, and why didn't they book a right wing comedian.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, not a fan of throwing stuff at people on stage.
Booing if a comedian isn't funny is a different kettle of fish.
* His show on his dad's progressive supranuclear palsy /and love of opera was also incredible, both moving and funny.0 -
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Not quite standup, but fantastic nevertheless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMoB6ms2mE0 -
But if Johnson ends up at the mercy of the ERG, and thus goes for a Hard Brexit and a raft of other loony right wing policies, is that not GOOD for Labour? Last thing we want is him doing a pragmatic economic-damage-limiting Brexit and then governing in sensible 'One Nation Tory' fashion.WhisperingOracle said:I think a 15 to 45-50 or so tory majority would be a very bad result for Labour. Puts Johnson once again at the mercy of the ERG, rather than able to compromise on Europe. Less than that, and the sheer instability of events may return us to much of where we before.
More than that, and he's free and clear to do what he wants.0 -
Sean Lock I very much enjoyed a couple of years ago.FrancisUrquhart said:Lets spin it around to a positive...suggests for a good stand-up comedian still doing the rounds?
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Media giant Sky is to build huge new film studios near the existing Elstree production site outside London, creating 2,000 jobs.
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Hawaiians obvs...BannedinnParis said:
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.someone said:
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Quite right - politics is about your team winning, not about living standards.kinabalu said:
But if Johnson ends up at the mercy of the ERG, and thus goes for a Hard Brexit and a raft of other loony right wing policies, is that not GOOD for Labour? Last thing we want is him doing a pragmatic economic-damage-limiting Brexit and then governing in sensible 'One Nation Tory' fashion.WhisperingOracle said:I think a 15 to 45-50 or so tory majority would be a very bad result for Labour. Puts Johnson once again at the mercy of the ERG, rather than able to compromise on Europe. Less than that, and the sheer instability of events may return us to much of where we before.
More than that, and he's free and clear to do what he wants.0 -
No piece of stand up can compete with the Death Star canteen.BannedinnParis said:
This is genuinely my favourite piece of stand upEssexit said:On stand-up:
Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr are god-tier. Even a snowflake would enjoy them provided they can take a joke.
Tim Vine is good fun if you like wordplay and zaniness and want to forget politics for an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkN226PToig
has me howling every time
Just nothing.
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I think the last sentence is exactly what he’ll do.kinabalu said:
But if Johnson ends up at the mercy of the ERG, and thus goes for a Hard Brexit and a raft of other loony right wing policies, is that not GOOD for Labour? Last thing we want is him doing a pragmatic economic-damage-limiting Brexit and then governing in sensible 'One Nation Tory' fashion.WhisperingOracle said:I think a 15 to 45-50 or so tory majority would be a very bad result for Labour. Puts Johnson once again at the mercy of the ERG, rather than able to compromise on Europe. Less than that, and the sheer instability of events may return us to much of where we before.
More than that, and he's free and clear to do what he wants.0 -
You're in London judging by the volume of LD literature through your mailbox I think ?FrancisUrquhart said:Lets spin it around to a positive...suggestions for a good stand-up comedian still doing the rounds?
Relatively unknown but I think this guy tours there https://twitter.com/peanuthowe?lang=en - check him out if you can
Of mainstream comedians on the TV/radio I find Hugh Dennis better than most, Dave Chappelle from USA good.1 -
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Surely that maths only works if London is 50% of the voting population.nunu2 said:
Yes. Most polls show the tories unchanged from 2017 whereas this shows the tories down 3% in London. Which means Tories are up 3% somewhere else.bigjohnowls said:
London isnunu2 said:
The national polls show the Tories unchanged from 2017?TheScreamingEagles said:
Lab -7.5%
Con -3.1%
LD +6.2%
Compared to GE 2017
The question is where? Probably in the midlands and north0 -
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂BannedinnParis said:
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.someone said:
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour1 -
Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.1 -
Raab digging a hole for himself?
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/tv/the-michael-crick-report/810/our-man-finds-dominic-raab-in-fighting-form-as-he-sees-off-the-remainer-threat
He hasn't been taking samples, has he?0 -
Mr. Royale, Atkinson was very sound indeed on the desire of some to curb free speech because of 'offensiveness'.
Anyway, I must be off. Play nicely, everyone.
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Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?nunu2 said:
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂BannedinnParis said:
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.someone said:
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour0 -
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.1 -
Refreshing to see the PB gammonati foaming at the mouth over lefty comedians.
Will it be gender-neutral toilets this afternoon?4 -
I think most people are pointing out those that aren't actually comedians...cos you have to be funny to be one.SandyRentool said:Refreshing to see the PB gammonati foaming at the mouth over lefty comedians.
Will it be gender-neutral toilets this afternoon?0 -
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1201834773297160192
BBC proving yet again they don't have a spine1 -
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked.BluerBlue said:
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.1 -
When is Swinson's interview? Or was that supposed to be this evening?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1201834773297160192
BBC proving yet again they don't have a spine0 -
Have LAB gone ahead yet?0
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Calm down.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked.BluerBlue said:
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.1 -
Oh sorry, yes you're right.FrancisUrquhart said:
Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?nunu2 said:
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂BannedinnParis said:
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.someone said:
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
Labour Hold Hampstead and Kilburn 😇0 -
London's only just recovering from his reign of terror!CorrectHorseBattery said:
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked.BluerBlue said:
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.
What utter shite. He's a middle of the road liberal tory who wants to be PM whilst life carries on broadly unchanged around him.2 -
Gender neutral toilets do waste 30 seconds of my life every time as I walk in, spot there are no urinals, and have to go back out to check the picture on the door.SandyRentool said:Refreshing to see the PB gammonati foaming at the mouth over lefty comedians.
Will it be gender-neutral toilets this afternoon?
Also I’m not too sure women appreciate the idea of gender neutral loos on days after I’ve had a curry.
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On the London poll and differential regional swings, I'll just post this link again from last night. Apologies if done already today - I've no gone back through the thread yet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeanTossup/status/1201694157523292160
Trying to match up anecdotal reports about the visceral doorstep reactions, the C4 focus group, and reports of where the Labour bus is visiting, the MRP - with the national polls and possible evidence of a narrowing lead is really hard.
Common sense about where the parties are in terms of who can enlarge their 2017 base suggests it's Boris by a wide margin and we could be in landslide territory. But I just can't shake off the doubts from 2017.
I'm a small-scale bettor backing a good sized majority and a number of constituency bets - but I'm green on a 2017 type result too - as long as it isn't Tories below 300 in which case I've probably lost nearly all of it!
Let's hope for some more evidence of regional swings that we don;t have to divine from the entrails of a national poll subsample...0 -
And he takes it to 'hostile' places. Gig in Essex, I saw. "Man, amazing around here. It's like a white supremacy theme park." They all went with it.bigjohnowls said:I like Stewart Lee best.
But anyway, question for you -
My sense is that the Cons are set to win a ton of seats from Labour up North/Midlands. But you live there, don't you? So what is your feeling on this?0 -
He was middle of the road Tory for London and left a mess when he left. Now he's a hard-right PM because that's what he needs to do to win.maaarsh said:
London's only just recovering from his reign of terror!CorrectHorseBattery said:
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked.BluerBlue said:
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.
What utter shite. He's a middle of the road liberal tory who wants to be PM whilst life carries on broadly unchanged around him.
He is whatever he needs to be to win - and then he ruins things when he gets in and after he leaves. I don't want a mini-Trump in power, I will do whatever I can to stop him.0 -
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Seems Bristol uni are still there until the 18th....keep all the mad Corbynistas in their mini-Islington for another week. Labour nailed on in Bristol West.nunu2 said:
Oh sorry, yes you're right.FrancisUrquhart said:
Surely that's Bristol not Bath uni, no?nunu2 said:
If Bath students are going home then that's Labour Gain Chealsea and Fulham 😂BannedinnParis said:
Most will be done by the 13th but, rather like Bath, we're just doing pizza parties and socials in the last year. One deadline for the 1st years.turbotubbs said:
Anecdotal alert - not just dependent on when the Uni breaks up. At Bath its on the 13th, but many students will be gone earlier if they have little or no teaching on the wed, thur or Friday, as confirmed by my third year tutees.someone said:
It may be instructive to have a list of when universities break up to inform on likelihood of numbers going Labour
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Has it occurred to you that Johnson might want to do some things that will result in a) him being seen as a good Prime Minister, and (related) b) increased chances of him being re-elected with a bigger majority in 2024?CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.1 -
nunu2 said:
This is really bad for Labour. A lot of their increase in the polls is coming from London.
Same as 2017, the Labour surge racked up a high vote count, but didn't win them that many extra seats. It made the Tory vote more efficient (or more accurately, went from inefficient to average).
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I just watched the Nish Kumar clip (I hadn’t before) on Twitter.
He should be grateful to the compère for saving him. The trouble is he got angry when his humour fell flat and decidedly to obstinately fight the audience back.0 -
Meet the 100 people who will decide the election
100 swing voters. 60 marginal seats. One decision. Ben Macintyre explains what happened when The Times brought them together in a room in Manchester
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/meet-the-100-people-who-will-decide-the-election-xgvdn86q20 -
Well that's it. Him yelling he isn't budging and going full Bercow. You just look like a toddler having a strop. It was a charity fundraiser not an XR protest.Casino_Royale said:I just watched the Nish Kumar clip (I hadn’t before) on Twitter.
He should be grateful to the compère for saving him. The trouble is he got angry when his humour fell flat and decidedly to obstinately fight the audience back.
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Some polling earlier that showed 1 in 25 of the voters out there think Labour will get a majority of more 50.
If we exclude SNP seats (because, they just aren't going to win any, but let's be kind and say they don't lose any either) then to have a majoirty of over 50, then they would have to take all their target seats upto and including Banbury (requiring a 10% swing). Flavible is currently pedicting a 29% margin on the Con majority.
Just in case anybody wondered.0 -
What political positions of Johnson would you describe as being on the political extreme?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Johnson is extreme, he's a mini Trump. We're fucked.BluerBlue said:
Welcome to how the biggest voting bloc in this country feels about Corbyn and his extremism.CorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson isn't a One Nation Tory, he's not anything. He will do and say anything to win and then afterwards he'll do whatever he needs to do to not do anything he has promised. He's the dictionary definition of a charlatan.
If he does win - and I don't think he will win a majority - I am deeply concerned about this country, I haven't really felt that with a PM in my short lifetime. But I feel that with him.
Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything - but Johnson will. That terrifies me.0 -
I'm not convinced anyone appreciates you on those days...Time_to_Leave said:
Gender neutral toilets do waste 30 seconds of my life every time as I walk in, spot there are no urinals, and have to go back out to check the picture on the door.SandyRentool said:Refreshing to see the PB gammonati foaming at the mouth over lefty comedians.
Will it be gender-neutral toilets this afternoon?
Also I’m not too sure women appreciate the idea of gender neutral loos on days after I’ve had a curry.
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I think that it shows is the public rarely really have a clue what is going on. It makes all this stuff about careful tactical voting a nonsense. Yes some switched on people will, but not the masses. The vast majority go with the "team" they feel is right for them.MarqueeMark said:Some polling earlier that showed 1 in 25 of the voters out there think Labour will get a majority of more 50.
If we exclude SNP seats (because, they just aren't going to win any, but let's be kind and say they don't lose any either) then to have a majoirty of over 50, then they would have to take all their target seats upto and including Banbury (requiring a 10% swing). Flavible is currently pedicting a 29% margin on the Con majority.
Just in case anybody wondered.0
