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Can’t argue with Bloomberg on Trump, like the effort to defeat “Britain Trump” here.0
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Third to the party?
Never the cool kid who's fashionably late.
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A stout yeoman of Kent assists a doughty man of York in keeping out the antipodean hordes. 11/10 the draw.0
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Top 20 like Watford!0
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5th like Labour in some seats1
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I had £2 on Bloomberg in 2016. Not doing that mistake again.0
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He suggested it, May decided.MaxPB said:
Yes, the Nick Timothy thought the same about old people and decided to introduce the idiotic dementia tax. That turned out extremely well.kle4 said:
I think most of that range as so solidly Labour they won't be going anywhere, which is why they feel able to make such an unfair policy in the first place.MaxPB said:
Labour are about to test that theory to destruction in the 25-34 age range unless they u-turn on the £58bn. I haven't seen my non-politically inclined friends this annoyed by a single policy in a very long time. Until now they just thought Corbyn was a joke with his free broadband and oddball ideas, now they think he's going to tax all of them to pay for older wealthy women who want to retire early.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Always interesting at how much more the young voter is pro Labour than the male one.PeterMannion said:
Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?RobD said:
£15,380 average, £31,300 maximum. A huge bung.Benpointer said:
Wow thanks for that insight!geoffw said:
Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.Benpointer said:
Are there some workings behind the £58bn?BluerBlue said:
Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?nico67 said:I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.
I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2019-labours-58bn-pledge-to-right-waspi-injustice-11869005
And you're right, sometimes a policy will get such a push back, but I don't think this one will, for all I am very mad about it. To who will Labour inclined voters mad about it go? The LDs are offering the same thing in their manifesto, though I've not heard what the amount would be suggested to be, presumably the same. The Greens' plan is more focused on their Universal Basic Income idea with a focus on the WASPI women, but promises additional ways to compensate them as well. BXP promise to review the position of those women too.
So are young people who were going to turn out for Labour not going to turn out for them on this issue, when the Jezziah is busy saying what a moral duty it is?0 -
BTW I see the LDs have gotten their audio version of the manifesto out, sadly not narrated by Jo Swinson herself. Only ones who have done this so far I think.0 -
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.0 -
Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.1 -
Ooooh Jerem . . .kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
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What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.0 -
Probably too busy arguing about pension changes to run for president?LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.0 -
John Edwards says 'hi'!LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.0 -
America is weirdly gerontocratic, tho. It’s worse than China now.kle4 said:
Probably too busy arguing about pension changes to run for president?LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
So much is going wrong with America it’s easy to despair. But then you watch Rick and Morty and you think: a country that can make TV this sharp and funny might easily bounce back.0 -
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.0 -
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
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False consciousness argument.kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.0 -
Step Away. From. The. Labour. Site.kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
No good can come of it this close to bedtime.-1 -
Maybe the Tories have made a mistake this time around by being too cautious.MaxPB said:
Yes, the Nick Timothy thought the same about old people and decided to introduce the idiotic dementia tax. That turned out extremely well.kle4 said:
I think most of that range as so solidly Labour they won't be going anywhere, which is why they feel able to make such an unfair policy in the first place.MaxPB said:
Labour are about to test that theory to destruction in the 25-34 age range unless they u-turn on the £58bn. I haven't seen my non-politically inclined friends this annoyed by a single policy in a very long time. Until now they just thought Corbyn was a joke with his free broadband and oddball ideas, now they think he's going to tax all of them to pay for older wealthy women who want to retire early.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Always interesting at how much more the young voter is pro Labour than the male one.PeterMannion said:
Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?RobD said:
£15,380 average, £31,300 maximum. A huge bung.Benpointer said:
Wow thanks for that insight!geoffw said:
Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.Benpointer said:
Are there some workings behind the £58bn?BluerBlue said:
Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?nico67 said:I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.
I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2019-labours-58bn-pledge-to-right-waspi-injustice-11869005
All the Brexit talk from Boris is about how great the country is - but they're going to have to go after Labour with a "the country can't afford it" platform.
Labour can afford to be bold. Bang on about how the UK is the fifth biggest economy in the world*- to say we can't afford a great health service, or the best pensions is just talking this great country down.
*yes I know it's not per capita, but what opponent wants to argue a technical point, or say "we're not THAT great".0 -
What do Tories say about the electorate when Labour won elections? I doubt it's anything like, "gosh, we're completely wrong about everything, aren't we?"rottenborough said:
False consciousness argument.kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.0 -
At a stretch, I can see Bloomberg winning the Democratic nomination, but I can't see him winning the Presidency.
Non-politicians in America have needed some type of star quality to win the ultimate prize, either as a successful general (Washington, Eisenhower, Grant) or a celebrity (Trump and to some extent Reagan). I think Bloomberg, though a successful businessman, misses out on that X-factor.0 -
They do not, but that's rather different from suggesting 'the people lose' when the party loses, rather than just that the people will be worse off for making the wrong choice.LostPassword said:
What do Tories say about the electorate when Labour won elections? I doubt it's anything like, "gosh, we're completely wrong about everything, aren't we?"rottenborough said:
False consciousness argument.kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.
Not that the conflation of the interests of the party with the interests of the country is a sin unique to Labour, but it is bloody silly.0 -
Warren is da yoof0
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nova said:
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...MaxPB said:
Maybe the Tories have made a mistake this time around by being too cautious.kle4 said:
Yes, the Nick Timothy thought the same about old people and decided to introduce the idiotic dementia tax. That turned out extremely well.MaxPB said:
I think most of that range as so solidly Labour they won't be going anywhere, which is why they feel able to make such an unfair policy in the first place.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Always interesting at how much more the young voter is pro Labour than the male one.PeterMannion said:
Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?RobD said:
£15,380 average, £31,300 maximum. A huge bung.Benpointer said:
Wow thanks for that insight!geoffw said:
Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.Benpointer said:
Are there some workings behind the £58bn?BluerBlue said:
Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?nico67 said:I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.
I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2019-labours-58bn-pledge-to-right-waspi-injustice-11869005
All the Brexit talk from Boris is about how great the country is - but they're going to have to go after Labour with a "the country can't afford it" platform.
Labour can afford to be bold. Bang on about how the UK is the fifth biggest economy in the world*- to say we can't afford a great health service, or the best pensions is just talking this great country down.
*yes I know it's not per capita, but what opponent wants to argue a technical point, or say "we're not THAT great".0 -
Yes I have, Sean, er, I mean Byronic. Even did the full reverse into Coombe Junction Halt.Byronic said:
Have you done all the Cornish branch lines? They’re fabulously quaint.Sunil_Prasannan said:
[swaggering] Man, I've been on all of National Rail routes in England & Wales save for weekend-only stuff like Dale Rail and the Stockport-Guide Bridge (but I have done the Gainsborough-Brigg line and Crediton-Okehampton)!Cookie said:
Talking of which - Sunil - ever been on this little fella?squareroot2 said:
If you are a sad train loon?Sunil_Prasannan said:
"I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where the train will take you?"Time_to_Leave said:
No that only tells you where I should be and where I’m meant to be going.geoffw said:
Are you sure your Trainline app doesn't tell Google?Time_to_Leave said:
Point of order - based on my trains into London, knowing I’ve caught one tells you very little little about either where I am or where I am going.RobD said:
Plus the state knowing exactly where you are going all the time. Spooky!ozymandias said:
And rely on the State anytime we want to travel. Marvellous.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They're better than petrol and diesel cars - and if there is no reasonable public transport they seem like a good compromise. But fundamentally we need to transition away from private transport.RobD said:
Not a fan of electric cars?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I personally think we should be encouraging the use of public transport as much as possible and phasing out cars entirely - that should be the ultimate goal IMHOdellertronic said:
As a childless singleton that doesn't drive I don't care about either. But anybody claiming to be green should pollution and over population.CorrectHorseBattery said:RobD said:CorrectHorseBattery said:£2Bn for potholes
£1Bn for childcare
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre_Metro_Operations
In Scotland, done all of Scotrail except for Inverness to Aberdeen, Inverness to Kyle and Dingwall to Wick/Thurso.
Perranwell. Menheniot. Luxulyan!0 -
Interesting that the median age in the USA is about to be overtaken by China. They're both on 37 at the moment. UK is 40.Byronic said:
America is weirdly gerontocratic, tho. It’s worse than China now.kle4 said:
Probably too busy arguing about pension changes to run for president?LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
So much is going wrong with America it’s easy to despair. But then you watch Rick and Morty and you think: a country that can make TV this sharp and funny might easily bounce back.0 -
They came to their senses around 9 years in, i.e., around now. Too little credit goes to Michael Howard perhaps because his most notable post-leadership action was to support a war against Spain. Will Labour come to their senses in a month? j/kLostPassword said:
What do Tories say about the electorate when Labour won elections? I doubt it's anything like, "gosh, we're completely wrong about everything, aren't we?"rottenborough said:
False consciousness argument.kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.0 -
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I have been to Roche...0
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The following comment is from a Labour candidaterottenborough said:
False consciousness argument.kle4 said:Great Corbyn quote on the Labour site
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.
https://twitter.com/KierinOfflands/status/1109831881233760256?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1109831881233760256&ref_url=https://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=default&f=harrysplace&t_i=120959%20http%3A%2F%2Fhurryupharry.org%2F%3Fp%3D120959&t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fhurryupharry.org%2F2019%2F11%2F22%2Fno-free-lunch%2F&t_e=No%20free%20lunch&t_d=No%20free%20lunch%20%E2%80%93%20Harry%27s%20Place&t_t=No%20free%20lunch&s_o=default#version=a7c11c2c4a19752acf5a7bdea26a55d80 -
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude 0 -
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
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Yes, that was pretty much the attitude of the Americans I met. Fuck odd and die, coffin-dodgers. And some of these people were in their 70smatt said:
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
Hillary got a lot of stick just for this.0 -
They don't when it comes to paying for it.nova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude0 -
Mr Byronic - at the last election there was a user called SeanT who went hysterical at the Tory manifesto. I remember reading his comments avidly before I joined this site. Sadly he no longer contributes.Byronic said:
Yes, that was pretty much the attitude of the Americans I met. Fuck odd and die, coffin-dodgers. And some of these people were in their 70smatt said:
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
Hillary got a lot of stick just for this.
How do you feel about the manifesto?2 -
In line with my policy of betting transparency, please be advised that I have today placed a bet of £150 with Betfred at 2/5 on Conservative overall majority. I intended to wait until the YouGov MRP but the price was falling so quickly I thought it best to take the risk. #BigBoyPants
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.0 -
One benefit (the only one?) of leaving the EU is the potential to ban the shipping of live animals for slaughter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-505385920 -
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
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These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).0 -
PB Tories stay up laterozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
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Made of stronger stuff. 😉RobD said:
PB Tories stay up laterozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).0 -
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.ozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).0 -
BBC Said:
At the very least, however, his entry will provide him a means to push a party that he sees drifting dangerous leftward back to the pro-business centre.
I'm not sure, could give Sanders a boost..0 -
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.0 -
Bloomberg has near zero chance of becoming Democratic nominee but he could do a Ross Perot and run as an independent in the general election, especially if that ends up with a left liberal radical like Warren or Sanders against Trump0
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Get up earlier too.....ozymandias said:
Made of stronger stuff. 😉RobD said:
PB Tories stay up laterozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
Didn't he used to post here:
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1198748966898278400?s=200 -
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.Floater said:
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.ozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).0 -
Not sure anything I've said is even partisan, so be accused of trolling is a little sad . Still - I'll assume it's just a jokeozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
Saying Get Brexit Done is a much easier argument to make than "let's go back, have a chat with the EU, get another deal, have a referendum but we're not sure on what". That's the kind of thing that cuts through to the electorate.
Saying we've had austerity for ten years, we're back on track, and we can afford to spend a reasonable amount of money, is a neat argument, because it allows you to be positive while painting Labour as crazy spenders.
Saying we're a great country, we're back on track, but we're going to spend a fraction of 1% extra each year, isn't a great, positive argument.
I'm simply arguing that it looks timid, and gives Labour a chance to make a positive argument, using the Tories own "unleash the potential" rhetoric.0 -
Well done you for putting your own money at risk. I don't bet because I know I'm the type of person who could get addicted. My brother in law made a tidy sum on Brexit referendum night based on what was being said on here though.viewcode said:In line with my policy of betting transparency, please be advised that I have today placed a bet of £150 with Betfred at 2/5 on Conservative overall majority. I intended to wait until the YouGov MRP but the price was falling so quickly I thought it best to take the risk. #BigBoyPants
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.0 -
Antisemitism is a small price to pay to stop the tories and their pothole-filling.CarlottaVance said:
Get up earlier too.....ozymandias said:
Made of stronger stuff. 😉RobD said:
PB Tories stay up laterozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
Didn't he used to post here:
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1198748966898278400?s=200 -
https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1198738824916017152
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.0 -
I think that to underestimate Bloomberg is to make the same mistake as GOP candidates did with Trump. Betfair price is great value0
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If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.0 -
Glad we were of service.ExiledInScotland said:
Well done you for putting your own money at risk. I don't bet because I know I'm the type of person who could get addicted. My brother in law made a tidy sum on Brexit referendum night based on what was being said on here though.viewcode said:In line with my policy of betting transparency, please be advised that I have today placed a bet of £150 with Betfred at 2/5 on Conservative overall majority. I intended to wait until the YouGov MRP but the price was falling so quickly I thought it best to take the risk. #BigBoyPants
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.
IIRC we were a couple of hours in advance of TV in realising what was happening.0 -
The comments after Sir Richard's tweet seem to be all negative. Funny that.CarlottaVance said:
Get up earlier too.....ozymandias said:
Made of stronger stuff. 😉RobD said:
PB Tories stay up laterozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
Didn't he used to post here:
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1198748966898278400?s=200 -
He's also saying "we'll borrow it and let the young pay it back".rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1198738824916017152
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.1 -
He'll be back once he's won his £1k bet on the date of Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Get up earlier too.....ozymandias said:
Made of stronger stuff. 😉RobD said:
PB Tories stay up laterozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
Didn't he used to post here:
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1198748966898278400?s=201 -
That’s the attack line.another_richard said:
He's also saying "we'll borrow it and let the young pay it back".rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1198738824916017152
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.0 -
Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
Indeed, I was referring to Mayor Pete's position at the start of all this. No chance in a crowded field that included Biden. 0 -
I worry it lacks one or two retail offers. But I don’t instantly feel it’s calamitous.ozymandias said:
Mr Byronic - at the last election there was a user called SeanT who went hysterical at the Tory manifesto. I remember reading his comments avidly before I joined this site. Sadly he no longer contributes.Byronic said:
Yes, that was pretty much the attitude of the Americans I met. Fuck odd and die, coffin-dodgers. And some of these people were in their 70smatt said:
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.LostPassword said:
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?Byronic said:I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
Hillary got a lot of stick just for this.
How do you feel about the manifesto?0 -
No doubt they should f off and join the Tories.rottenborough said:
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.
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Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.Fishing said:
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.0 -
Fair enough. The Biden at the start of all this makes his present incarnation seem a pale, gaffe-ridden shadow, mind.rottenborough said:Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment. Indeed, I was referring to Mayor Pete's position at the start of all this. No chance in a crowded field that included Biden.0 -
And soon it could all be for nothing and multiply exponentially.Andrew said:
No doubt they should f off and join the Tories.rottenborough said:
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.0 -
It’s a semantic failure from the start. Britain is the 6th BIGGEST economy. As China is the 2nd biggest. We are not the 6th richest.nova said:
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.Fishing said:
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.0 -
To my surprise frankly. OGH was right; he is too old.Theuniondivvie said:
Fair enough. The Biden at the start of all this makes his present incarnation seem a pale, gaffe-ridden shadow, mind.rottenborough said:Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment. Indeed, I was referring to Mayor Pete's position at the start of all this. No chance in a crowded field that included Biden.0 -
Ah. I did give you the benefit of the doubt with the momentum comment - but this is bizarrely rude.ozymandias said:
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.Floater said:
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.ozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.0 -
The current Labour leadership genuinely seem to believe that the Government can borrow money for any reason at zero cost.0
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If they hadn't bailed the main banks the ATMs would have closed.Andrew said:
No doubt they should f off and join the Tories.rottenborough said:
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.
Good luck living in the UK in those few weeks if that had been the case.
The issue for me is that having bailed out the mess, the banks have not been more firmly controlled/regulated/split apart etc etc.0 -
On December 13 ‘We’ will = not MPs and ‘They’ will = MPs.rottenborough said:0 -
Depends whether you use nominal / exchange rate values or so-called PPP.Byronic said:
It’s a semantic failure from the start. Britain is the 6th BIGGEST economy. As China is the 2nd biggest. We are not the 6th richest.nova said:
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.Fishing said:
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
India is ahead of Japan on PPP, which doesn't seem right to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)0 -
Is she allowed to style herself as an MP during an election period?ThomasNashe said:
On December 13 ‘We’ will = not MPs and ‘They’ will = MPs.rottenborough said:0 -
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.0 -
I'm not sure that the Conservatives are able to work it out though.ozymandias said:
That’s the attack line.another_richard said:
He's also saying "we'll borrow it and let the young pay it back".rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1198738824916017152
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
They weren't capable of doing anything on student debt even though the ONS has given them tens of billions to do so.0 -
Yet he may win Iowa, which is people doing the selection.NickPalmer said:
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.0 -
Fifth/sixth depending on which reference (although most agree we're heading further down) - and you'll find richest used all over the media - but is semantics the argument any politician wants to make?Byronic said:
It’s a semantic failure from the start. Britain is the 6th BIGGEST economy. As China is the 2nd biggest. We are not the 6th richest.nova said:
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.Fishing said:
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Corbyn tells people we're the sixth richest, so can afford a little extra.
Boris tells them that we're actually the sixth BIGGEST so have to keep our belts tight.0 -
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Until election night...rottenborough said:0 -
If you’re invited to a night out with an alcoholic you don’t keep up with him and impress him by having 3 or 4 pints. You stick to soft drinks, have a good time and hope he learns the error of his ways.nova said:
Ah. I did give you the benefit of the doubt with the momentum comment - but this is bizarrely rude.ozymandias said:
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.Floater said:
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.ozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.0 -
Yes I agree. Base as it is I don’t think America is ready for a leftish gay president.NickPalmer said:
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
My point was rather that his youth, in this field of wrinklies, gives him a better chance than he would otherwise have had.
Lamentably, for America and the world, I can see trump winning again.
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Welcome @nova. People are a bit sceptical during the election of new posters who come and promote one side or another. I think you make an interesting point, but really the elephant in the room is Brexit, and having enough financial manoeuvrability to address any issues arising. If it can be suitably managed then I am sure some fiscal loosening may occur as required!nova said:
Ah. I did give you the benefit of the doubt with the momentum comment - but this is bizarrely rude.ozymandias said:
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.Floater said:
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.ozymandias said:
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.nova said:
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.Floater said:
But you have to be realisticnova said:
Boring.BluerBlue said:The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.0 -
A tad obscure, but appreciate the toned down response.ozymandias said:If you’re invited to a night out with an alcoholic you don’t keep up with him and impress him by having 3 or 4 pints. You stick to soft drinks, have a good time and hope he learns the error of his ways.
I'd reply that most voters quite like a drink. If you've been promising to turn up to a party with a bottle of wine, and you actually arrive with a four pack of Diet Coke, you'll might just make the guy who brings a crate of champagne look even more appealing.0 -
God bless FPTP...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:HK election results seem fairly clear:
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If Boris wins re election I expect Trump will too when the Democrats likely nominate their own Corbynista, Sanders or WarrenByronic said:
Yes I agree. Base as it is I don’t think America is ready for a leftish gay president.NickPalmer said:
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.Theuniondivvie said:
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.rottenborough said:I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
My point was rather that his youth, in this field of wrinklies, gives him a better chance than he would otherwise have had.
Lamentably, for America and the world, I can see trump winning again.0 -
alex_ said:
The current Labour leadership genuinely seem to believe that the Government can borrow money for any reason at zero cost.
And forever.0 -
... until the people at the party realise that the guy with the champagne paid for it with their credit cardsnova said:
A tad obscure, but appreciate the toned down response.ozymandias said:If you’re invited to a night out with an alcoholic you don’t keep up with him and impress him by having 3 or 4 pints. You stick to soft drinks, have a good time and hope he learns the error of his ways.
I'd reply that most voters quite like a drink. If you've been promising to turn up to a party with a bottle of wine, and you actually arrive with a four pack of Diet Coke, you'll might just make the guy who brings a crate of champagne look even more appealing.0 -
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How many have we had now?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The ones I know of, in addition to this one, are the Tory candidate in Aberdeen North and the LD candidate in Birmingham Hodge Hill.0 -
“Some of my old tweets contain language I’m not proud of, but mostly they’re just the product of someone who talks a lot of shit"Andy_JS said:
How many have we had now?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The ones I know of, in addition to this one, are the Tory candidate in Aberdeen North and the LD candidate in Birmingham Hodge Hill.
How to sell yourself to the public as their representative in parliament.1 -
Hey, at least he's honest.camel said:
“Some of my old tweets contain language I’m not proud of, but mostly they’re just the product of someone who talks a lot of shit"Andy_JS said:
How many have we had now?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
The ones I know of, in addition to this one, are the Tory candidate in Aberdeen North and the LD candidate in Birmingham Hodge Hill.
How to sell yourself to the public as their representative in parliament.0 -
How many candidates from various parties across the UK have now been suspended since the GE was officially called?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
Draw in from 11/8 to 8/13.
Stokes and Denly are England's best two for stickability.0 -
Wikipedia says the Tory candidate in Leeds North East and the Brexit candidate in Glenrothes have also been officially suspended, although of course they can't be removed from the ballot paper.0
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Allow me to weigh in on the Bloomberg bid...
So, I like Michael Bloomberg a lot. I think he was an excellent Mayor of NYC. He is a brilliant self made man, who still runs his financial media empire. He would probably be an excellent President.
But.
I think he's going to find it hard to get traction. Firstly, he's simply not that popular with rank-and-file Democrats. Secondly, skipping the early states is not that great a strategy.
In ten weeks time, there will be an Iowa winner. A week later, there will be a New Hampshire one. (And possibly they'll be the same person.) If the winner (or winners) of those Primaries are on the moderate side of the Democratic party (whether Buttigieg or Biden), then what's Mr Bloomberg's pitch? Pick me over the other moderate, 'cause...
Now it's quite possible that Sanders wins both Primaries, and Biden and Buttigieg are flailing (as are all the other moderates, like Harris, Klobuchar, Patrick and Booker)... in which case I guess we could see Bloomberg make a splash. But that's a pretty narrow window of opportunity. 6% chance? I'd say more like a 1% chance.0 -
On Bloomberg,
If he thought Biden or another broadly pro Wall St Democrat would win the primary he wouldn't be getting involved. I think from a betting perspective perhaps the more relevant consideration is that even if he doesn't win, if he burns hundreds of millions of dollars in the primary, I suspect a large chunk of it will go on assailing some of the other candidates, most likely Warren. And he can start the blitz day one, without having to fundraise.rcs1000 said:Allow me to weigh in on the Bloomberg bid...
So, I like Michael Bloomberg a lot. I think he was an excellent Mayor of NYC. He is a brilliant self made man, who still runs his financial media empire. He would probably be an excellent President.
But.
I think he's going to find it hard to get traction. Firstly, he's simply not that popular with rank-and-file Democrats. Secondly, skipping the early states is not that great a strategy.
In ten weeks time, there will be an Iowa winner. A week later, there will be a New Hampshire one. (And possibly they'll be the same person.) If the winner (or winners) of those Primaries are on the moderate side of the Democratic party (whether Buttigieg or Biden), then what's Mr Bloomberg's pitch? Pick me over the other moderate, 'cause...
Now it's quite possible that Sanders wins both Primaries, and Biden and Buttigieg are flailing (as are all the other moderates, like Harris, Klobuchar, Patrick and Booker)... in which case I guess we could see Bloomberg make a splash. But that's a pretty narrow window of opportunity. 6% chance? I'd say more like a 1% chance.0 -
https://twitter.com/maxwalden_/status/1198784083746148353?s=20AramintaMoonbeamQC said:HK election results seem fairly clear:
https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/11987589810715648000
