I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.
Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?
Are there some workings behind the £58bn?
Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.
Wow thanks for that insight!
I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.
Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?
Always interesting at how much more the young voter is pro Labour than the male one.
Labour are about to test that theory to destruction in the 25-34 age range unless they u-turn on the £58bn. I haven't seen my non-politically inclined friends this annoyed by a single policy in a very long time. Until now they just thought Corbyn was a joke with his free broadband and oddball ideas, now they think he's going to tax all of them to pay for older wealthy women who want to retire early.
I think most of that range as so solidly Labour they won't be going anywhere, which is why they feel able to make such an unfair policy in the first place.
Yes, the Nick Timothy thought the same about old people and decided to introduce the idiotic dementia tax. That turned out extremely well.
He suggested it, May decided.
And you're right, sometimes a policy will get such a push back, but I don't think this one will, for all I am very mad about it. To who will Labour inclined voters mad about it go? The LDs are offering the same thing in their manifesto, though I've not heard what the amount would be suggested to be, presumably the same. The Greens' plan is more focused on their Universal Basic Income idea with a focus on the WASPI women, but promises additional ways to compensate them as well. BXP promise to review the position of those women too.
So are young people who were going to turn out for Labour not going to turn out for them on this issue, when the Jezziah is busy saying what a moral duty it is?
BTW I see the LDs have gotten their audio version of the manifesto out, sadly not narrated by Jo Swinson herself. Only ones who have done this so far I think.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?
Probably too busy arguing about pension changes to run for president?
America is weirdly gerontocratic, tho. It’s worse than China now.
So much is going wrong with America it’s easy to despair. But then you watch Rick and Morty and you think: a country that can make TV this sharp and funny might easily bounce back.
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.
Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?
Are there some workings behind the £58bn?
Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.
Wow thanks for that insight!
I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.
Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?
Always interesting at how much more the young voter is pro Labour than the male one.
Labour are about to test that theory to destruction in the 25-34 age range unless they u-turn on the £58bn. I haven't seen my non-politically inclined friends this annoyed by a single policy in a very long time. Until now they just thought Corbyn was a joke with his free broadband and oddball ideas, now they think he's going to tax all of them to pay for older wealthy women who want to retire early.
I think most of that range as so solidly Labour they won't be going anywhere, which is why they feel able to make such an unfair policy in the first place.
Yes, the Nick Timothy thought the same about old people and decided to introduce the idiotic dementia tax. That turned out extremely well.
Maybe the Tories have made a mistake this time around by being too cautious.
All the Brexit talk from Boris is about how great the country is - but they're going to have to go after Labour with a "the country can't afford it" platform.
Labour can afford to be bold. Bang on about how the UK is the fifth biggest economy in the world*- to say we can't afford a great health service, or the best pensions is just talking this great country down.
*yes I know it's not per capita, but what opponent wants to argue a technical point, or say "we're not THAT great".
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
False consciousness argument.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.
What do Tories say about the electorate when Labour won elections? I doubt it's anything like, "gosh, we're completely wrong about everything, aren't we?"
At a stretch, I can see Bloomberg winning the Democratic nomination, but I can't see him winning the Presidency.
Non-politicians in America have needed some type of star quality to win the ultimate prize, either as a successful general (Washington, Eisenhower, Grant) or a celebrity (Trump and to some extent Reagan). I think Bloomberg, though a successful businessman, misses out on that X-factor.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
False consciousness argument.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.
What do Tories say about the electorate when Labour won elections? I doubt it's anything like, "gosh, we're completely wrong about everything, aren't we?"
They do not, but that's rather different from suggesting 'the people lose' when the party loses, rather than just that the people will be worse off for making the wrong choice.
Not that the conflation of the interests of the party with the interests of the country is a sin unique to Labour, but it is bloody silly.
I wonder whether Damian Lyons Lowe from Survation are doing some polling including a question on the Waspi women . Going by his tweet he thinks this is likely to hurt the Tories.
Will the question include the information that it will cost the public an extra £58 billion in uncosted borrowing and / or taxes? Because that seems like a relevant piece of context, no?
Are there some workings behind the £58bn?
Number of women affected times the average amount of compensation.
Wow thanks for that insight!
I was rather wondering if anyone has the stats on numbers impacted and avereage amount per person.
Might we see the biggest gender divide this election?
Always interesting at how much more the young voter is pro Labour than the male one.
I think most of that range as so solidly Labour they won't be going anywhere, which is why they feel able to make such an unfair policy in the first place.
Yes, the Nick Timothy thought the same about old people and decided to introduce the idiotic dementia tax. That turned out extremely well.
Maybe the Tories have made a mistake this time around by being too cautious.
All the Brexit talk from Boris is about how great the country is - but they're going to have to go after Labour with a "the country can't afford it" platform.
Labour can afford to be bold. Bang on about how the UK is the fifth biggest economy in the world*- to say we can't afford a great health service, or the best pensions is just talking this great country down.
*yes I know it's not per capita, but what opponent wants to argue a technical point, or say "we're not THAT great".
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
As a childless singleton that doesn't drive I don't care about either. But anybody claiming to be green should pollution and over population.
I personally think we should be encouraging the use of public transport as much as possible and phasing out cars entirely - that should be the ultimate goal IMHO
Not a fan of electric cars?
They're better than petrol and diesel cars - and if there is no reasonable public transport they seem like a good compromise. But fundamentally we need to transition away from private transport.
And rely on the State anytime we want to travel. Marvellous.
Plus the state knowing exactly where you are going all the time. Spooky!
Point of order - based on my trains into London, knowing I’ve caught one tells you very little little about either where I am or where I am going.
Are you sure your Trainline app doesn't tell Google?
No that only tells you where I should be and where I’m meant to be going.
"I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a train, a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where the train will take you?"
[swaggering] Man, I've been on all of National Rail routes in England & Wales save for weekend-only stuff like Dale Rail and the Stockport-Guide Bridge (but I have done the Gainsborough-Brigg line and Crediton-Okehampton)!
In Scotland, done all of Scotrail except for Inverness to Aberdeen, Inverness to Kyle and Dingwall to Wick/Thurso.
Have you done all the Cornish branch lines? They’re fabulously quaint.
Perranwell. Menheniot. Luxulyan!
Yes I have, Sean, er, I mean Byronic. Even did the full reverse into Coombe Junction Halt.
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?
Probably too busy arguing about pension changes to run for president?
America is weirdly gerontocratic, tho. It’s worse than China now.
So much is going wrong with America it’s easy to despair. But then you watch Rick and Morty and you think: a country that can make TV this sharp and funny might easily bounce back.
Interesting that the median age in the USA is about to be overtaken by China. They're both on 37 at the moment. UK is 40.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
False consciousness argument.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.
What do Tories say about the electorate when Labour won elections? I doubt it's anything like, "gosh, we're completely wrong about everything, aren't we?"
They came to their senses around 9 years in, i.e., around now. Too little credit goes to Michael Howard perhaps because his most notable post-leadership action was to support a war against Spain. Will Labour come to their senses in a month? j/k
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.
Yes, that was pretty much the attitude of the Americans I met. Fuck odd and die, coffin-dodgers. And some of these people were in their 70s
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.
Yes, that was pretty much the attitude of the Americans I met. Fuck odd and die, coffin-dodgers. And some of these people were in their 70s
Hillary got a lot of stick just for this.
Mr Byronic - at the last election there was a user called SeanT who went hysterical at the Tory manifesto. I remember reading his comments avidly before I joined this site. Sadly he no longer contributes.
In line with my policy of betting transparency, please be advised that I have today placed a bet of £150 with Betfred at 2/5 on Conservative overall majority. I intended to wait until the YouGov MRP but the price was falling so quickly I thought it best to take the risk. #BigBoyPants
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.
BBC Said: At the very least, however, his entry will provide him a means to push a party that he sees drifting dangerous leftward back to the pro-business centre.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.
Bloomberg has near zero chance of becoming Democratic nominee but he could do a Ross Perot and run as an independent in the general election, especially if that ends up with a left liberal radical like Warren or Sanders against Trump
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
Not sure anything I've said is even partisan, so be accused of trolling is a little sad . Still - I'll assume it's just a joke
Saying Get Brexit Done is a much easier argument to make than "let's go back, have a chat with the EU, get another deal, have a referendum but we're not sure on what". That's the kind of thing that cuts through to the electorate.
Saying we've had austerity for ten years, we're back on track, and we can afford to spend a reasonable amount of money, is a neat argument, because it allows you to be positive while painting Labour as crazy spenders.
Saying we're a great country, we're back on track, but we're going to spend a fraction of 1% extra each year, isn't a great, positive argument.
I'm simply arguing that it looks timid, and gives Labour a chance to make a positive argument, using the Tories own "unleash the potential" rhetoric.
In line with my policy of betting transparency, please be advised that I have today placed a bet of £150 with Betfred at 2/5 on Conservative overall majority. I intended to wait until the YouGov MRP but the price was falling so quickly I thought it best to take the risk. #BigBoyPants
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.
Well done you for putting your own money at risk. I don't bet because I know I'm the type of person who could get addicted. My brother in law made a tidy sum on Brexit referendum night based on what was being said on here though.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
In line with my policy of betting transparency, please be advised that I have today placed a bet of £150 with Betfred at 2/5 on Conservative overall majority. I intended to wait until the YouGov MRP but the price was falling so quickly I thought it best to take the risk. #BigBoyPants
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.
Well done you for putting your own money at risk. I don't bet because I know I'm the type of person who could get addicted. My brother in law made a tidy sum on Brexit referendum night based on what was being said on here though.
Glad we were of service.
IIRC we were a couple of hours in advance of TV in realising what was happening.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
Indeed, I was referring to Mayor Pete's position at the start of all this. No chance in a crowded field that included Biden.
I’ve recently spent some time with a large smattering of Americans, left and right.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
What happened to the generation born in the fifties and sixties, who should now be in their fifties and sixties?
All the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the triumph of the gerontocracy. That age doesn’t mean anything other than living doesn’t stop them believing that they’re something special. They should just fuck off and die.
Yes, that was pretty much the attitude of the Americans I met. Fuck odd and die, coffin-dodgers. And some of these people were in their 70s
Hillary got a lot of stick just for this.
Mr Byronic - at the last election there was a user called SeanT who went hysterical at the Tory manifesto. I remember reading his comments avidly before I joined this site. Sadly he no longer contributes.
How do you feel about the manifesto?
I worry it lacks one or two retail offers. But I don’t instantly feel it’s calamitous.
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
No doubt they should f off and join the Tories.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
Indeed, I was referring to Mayor Pete's position at the start of all this. No chance in a crowded field that included Biden.
Fair enough. The Biden at the start of all this makes his present incarnation seem a pale, gaffe-ridden shadow, mind.
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
No doubt they should f off and join the Tories.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.
And soon it could all be for nothing and multiply exponentially.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.
It’s a semantic failure from the start. Britain is the 6th BIGGEST economy. As China is the 2nd biggest. We are not the 6th richest.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
Indeed, I was referring to Mayor Pete's position at the start of all this. No chance in a crowded field that included Biden.
Fair enough. The Biden at the start of all this makes his present incarnation seem a pale, gaffe-ridden shadow, mind.
To my surprise frankly. OGH was right; he is too old.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.
Ah. I did give you the benefit of the doubt with the momentum comment - but this is bizarrely rude.
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
No doubt they should f off and join the Tories.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.
If they hadn't bailed the main banks the ATMs would have closed.
Good luck living in the UK in those few weeks if that had been the case.
The issue for me is that having bailed out the mess, the banks have not been more firmly controlled/regulated/split apart etc etc.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.
It’s a semantic failure from the start. Britain is the 6th BIGGEST economy. As China is the 2nd biggest. We are not the 6th richest.
Depends whether you use nominal / exchange rate values or so-called PPP.
India is ahead of Japan on PPP, which doesn't seem right to me.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
Yet he may win Iowa, which is people doing the selection.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Evidently Corbyn's followers don't grasp the difference between overall and per-capita wealth. China is the world's second largest economy, but nobody would say they can afford better health care than we can. We are about the 15th-20th richest economy per head in the world, so we can afford public services that are fairly average for industrialised countries.
Not a Corbynista by any stretch of the imagination, and I specifically mentioned that it wasn't per capita - but I'd suggest that bringing in per capita etc. is like trying to argue that big numbers on the side of bus are incorrect because of rebates/net contributions etc. It's a trickier argument to get across.
It’s a semantic failure from the start. Britain is the 6th BIGGEST economy. As China is the 2nd biggest. We are not the 6th richest.
Fifth/sixth depending on which reference (although most agree we're heading further down) - and you'll find richest used all over the media - but is semantics the argument any politician wants to make?
Corbyn tells people we're the sixth richest, so can afford a little extra. Boris tells them that we're actually the sixth BIGGEST so have to keep our belts tight.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.
Ah. I did give you the benefit of the doubt with the momentum comment - but this is bizarrely rude.
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.
If you’re invited to a night out with an alcoholic you don’t keep up with him and impress him by having 3 or 4 pints. You stick to soft drinks, have a good time and hope he learns the error of his ways.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
Yes I agree. Base as it is I don’t think America is ready for a leftish gay president.
My point was rather that his youth, in this field of wrinklies, gives him a better chance than he would otherwise have had.
Lamentably, for America and the world, I can see trump winning again.
The "we're the fifth biggest economy so we can afford it" argument from the left is utterly ridiculous. We're one of the biggest economies in the world because of our liberalised, free-market economy, not because of socialism. If we adopted Labour's crazy far-left platform, we'd be on a rapid descent towards poverty as business, investment, and the "evil rich" fled the country as fast as they could...
Boring.
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
But you have to be realistic
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
I personally don't have any policies. While I appreciate that something like free broadband may not have gone down well - genuine extra money for pensions and the NHS are going to be popular.
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
These momentum trolls stay up late now don’t they.
About as subtle as a brick and also about as persuasive.
Although mummy and daddy sent them to private school and bought them a little apartment in the city near their little job, they still have the wit, charm and intelligence of a retarded woodlouse.
Ah. I did give you the benefit of the doubt with the momentum comment - but this is bizarrely rude.
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.
Welcome @nova. People are a bit sceptical during the election of new posters who come and promote one side or another. I think you make an interesting point, but really the elephant in the room is Brexit, and having enough financial manoeuvrability to address any issues arising. If it can be suitably managed then I am sure some fiscal loosening may occur as required!
If you’re invited to a night out with an alcoholic you don’t keep up with him and impress him by having 3 or 4 pints. You stick to soft drinks, have a good time and hope he learns the error of his ways.
A tad obscure, but appreciate the toned down response.
I'd reply that most voters quite like a drink. If you've been promising to turn up to a party with a bottle of wine, and you actually arrive with a four pack of Diet Coke, you'll might just make the guy who brings a crate of champagne look even more appealing.
I have been on Buttigieg for months, so I am biased, but for what it is worth I have an increasingly feeling the Dems are about to pull off their own complete surprise nominee.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
If you can lay an outcome at 5.5 it wouldn't be a COMPLETE surprise.
I remain sceptical about Pete. He's the sort of friendly, rational candidate journalists amd non-party people like, but he doesn't have the idealism to fire up the people who will do the selection. If he won, Democrats would be pleased to see the back of Trump, but would they feel excited? And on current polling he isn't better at beating Trump, which would be the other obvious argument.
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
Yes I agree. Base as it is I don’t think America is ready for a leftish gay president.
My point was rather that his youth, in this field of wrinklies, gives him a better chance than he would otherwise have had.
Lamentably, for America and the world, I can see trump winning again.
If Boris wins re election I expect Trump will too when the Democrats likely nominate their own Corbynista, Sanders or Warren
If you’re invited to a night out with an alcoholic you don’t keep up with him and impress him by having 3 or 4 pints. You stick to soft drinks, have a good time and hope he learns the error of his ways.
A tad obscure, but appreciate the toned down response.
I'd reply that most voters quite like a drink. If you've been promising to turn up to a party with a bottle of wine, and you actually arrive with a four pack of Diet Coke, you'll might just make the guy who brings a crate of champagne look even more appealing.
... until the people at the party realise that the guy with the champagne paid for it with their credit cards
Wikipedia says the Tory candidate in Leeds North East and the Brexit candidate in Glenrothes have also been officially suspended, although of course they can't be removed from the ballot paper.
So, I like Michael Bloomberg a lot. I think he was an excellent Mayor of NYC. He is a brilliant self made man, who still runs his financial media empire. He would probably be an excellent President.
But.
I think he's going to find it hard to get traction. Firstly, he's simply not that popular with rank-and-file Democrats. Secondly, skipping the early states is not that great a strategy.
In ten weeks time, there will be an Iowa winner. A week later, there will be a New Hampshire one. (And possibly they'll be the same person.) If the winner (or winners) of those Primaries are on the moderate side of the Democratic party (whether Buttigieg or Biden), then what's Mr Bloomberg's pitch? Pick me over the other moderate, 'cause...
Now it's quite possible that Sanders wins both Primaries, and Biden and Buttigieg are flailing (as are all the other moderates, like Harris, Klobuchar, Patrick and Booker)... in which case I guess we could see Bloomberg make a splash. But that's a pretty narrow window of opportunity. 6% chance? I'd say more like a 1% chance.
So, I like Michael Bloomberg a lot. I think he was an excellent Mayor of NYC. He is a brilliant self made man, who still runs his financial media empire. He would probably be an excellent President.
But.
I think he's going to find it hard to get traction. Firstly, he's simply not that popular with rank-and-file Democrats. Secondly, skipping the early states is not that great a strategy.
In ten weeks time, there will be an Iowa winner. A week later, there will be a New Hampshire one. (And possibly they'll be the same person.) If the winner (or winners) of those Primaries are on the moderate side of the Democratic party (whether Buttigieg or Biden), then what's Mr Bloomberg's pitch? Pick me over the other moderate, 'cause...
Now it's quite possible that Sanders wins both Primaries, and Biden and Buttigieg are flailing (as are all the other moderates, like Harris, Klobuchar, Patrick and Booker)... in which case I guess we could see Bloomberg make a splash. But that's a pretty narrow window of opportunity. 6% chance? I'd say more like a 1% chance.
If he thought Biden or another broadly pro Wall St Democrat would win the primary he wouldn't be getting involved. I think from a betting perspective perhaps the more relevant consideration is that even if he doesn't win, if he burns hundreds of millions of dollars in the primary, I suspect a large chunk of it will go on assailing some of the other candidates, most likely Warren. And he can start the blitz day one, without having to fundraise.
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Never the cool kid who's fashionably late.
And you're right, sometimes a policy will get such a push back, but I don't think this one will, for all I am very mad about it. To who will Labour inclined voters mad about it go? The LDs are offering the same thing in their manifesto, though I've not heard what the amount would be suggested to be, presumably the same. The Greens' plan is more focused on their Universal Basic Income idea with a focus on the WASPI women, but promises additional ways to compensate them as well. BXP promise to review the position of those women too.
So are young people who were going to turn out for Labour not going to turn out for them on this issue, when the Jezziah is busy saying what a moral duty it is?
BTW I see the LDs have gotten their audio version of the manifesto out, sadly not narrated by Jo Swinson herself. Only ones who have done this so far I think.
They all agreed that the age of the candidates is a real issue. They all despaired of it, and wanted change. Reps and Dems.
If this is a widespread feeling someone like Buttigieg has an in-built advantage.
"When Labour wins elections, it is the people and not the powerful who win"
Yes, when the Tories win elections the people do not win, even though they've voted for it. Corbyn knows the people don't want it even when they say they do, it's about his respect for the people.
So much is going wrong with America it’s easy to despair. But then you watch Rick and Morty and you think: a country that can make TV this sharp and funny might easily bounce back.
If you disagree than he can be laid at 5.5 at the moment.
Another stand out classic from the Marx playbook.
No good can come of it this close to bedtime.
All the Brexit talk from Boris is about how great the country is - but they're going to have to go after Labour with a "the country can't afford it" platform.
Labour can afford to be bold. Bang on about how the UK is the fifth biggest economy in the world*- to say we can't afford a great health service, or the best pensions is just talking this great country down.
*yes I know it's not per capita, but what opponent wants to argue a technical point, or say "we're not THAT great".
Non-politicians in America have needed some type of star quality to win the ultimate prize, either as a successful general (Washington, Eisenhower, Grant) or a celebrity (Trump and to some extent Reagan). I think Bloomberg, though a successful businessman, misses out on that X-factor.
Not that the conflation of the interests of the party with the interests of the country is a sin unique to Labour, but it is bloody silly.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7721023/Navy-Secretary-Richard-Spencer-resigns-private-proposal-Navy-SEAL-Edward-Gallaghers-case.html
https://twitter.com/KierinOfflands/status/1109831881233760256?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1109831881233760256&ref_url=https://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=default&f=harrysplace&t_i=120959%20http%3A%2F%2Fhurryupharry.org%2F%3Fp%3D120959&t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fhurryupharry.org%2F2019%2F11%2F22%2Fno-free-lunch%2F&t_e=No%20free%20lunch&t_d=No%20free%20lunch%20%E2%80%93%20Harry%27s%20Place&t_t=No%20free%20lunch&s_o=default#version=a7c11c2c4a19752acf5a7bdea26a55d8
Britain is great - we should be able to afford the best pensions and a great health service.
If you want to stand up after a decade of austerity and say we still can't afford anything, please do, but the public seem to like a "yes we can" attitude
The public is literately laughing at your policies
Don't believe me, that's coming from your own focus groups.
Hillary got a lot of stick just for this.
How do you feel about the manifesto?
For @Big_G_NorthWales and others who do not bet or might like the process explained, it goes like this:
I went into the bookies and gave him £150. In turn he gave me a white slip with "Next Election: Conservatives Overall Majority 2/5" on it. Betfred is a fixed odds bookie (sometimes known as a "sportsbook" bookie). So the "2/5" means for every 5 I give him, he will give me 2 back if successful. So if Con does get an OM I will get £60 back (60=150*2/5) plus my original stake of £150. If Cons does not get an OM I will get nothing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50538592
The Tories could have been generous and still undercut Labour massively, but
their caution may just give Labour a simple positive argument (and let's face it, they need something big to go their way).
At the very least, however, his entry will provide him a means to push a party that he sees drifting dangerous leftward back to the pro-business centre.
I'm not sure, could give Sanders a boost..
Didn't he used to post here:
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1198748966898278400?s=20
Saying Get Brexit Done is a much easier argument to make than "let's go back, have a chat with the EU, get another deal, have a referendum but we're not sure on what". That's the kind of thing that cuts through to the electorate.
Saying we've had austerity for ten years, we're back on track, and we can afford to spend a reasonable amount of money, is a neat argument, because it allows you to be positive while painting Labour as crazy spenders.
Saying we're a great country, we're back on track, but we're going to spend a fraction of 1% extra each year, isn't a great, positive argument.
I'm simply arguing that it looks timid, and gives Labour a chance to make a positive argument, using the Tories own "unleash the potential" rhetoric.
"they" being Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, in concert with rest of the West.
Last time I checked these two neoliberal maniacs were senior members of the only three term Labour government in the party's history.
IIRC we were a couple of hours in advance of TV in realising what was happening.
….and of course, where they found the money: they borrowed it. Huge Himalayan-sized mounds of it. 150 billion a year deficit, that took a decade to get under control.
I had assumed the idea of this website was to discuss what issues might cause movement in the betting markets. I was suggesting that the Tories may have left the door open for Labour to claw back a little (and I mean "a little"), when a touch more generosity (which they've been trailing in terms of rhetoric for months), could have slammed that door shut.
Good luck living in the UK in those few weeks if that had been the case.
The issue for me is that having bailed out the mess, the banks have not been more firmly controlled/regulated/split apart etc etc.
India is ahead of Japan on PPP, which doesn't seem right to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
As a VP to an elderly President, thougb, absolutely a spot on choice.
They weren't capable of doing anything on student debt even though the ONS has given them tens of billions to do so.
Corbyn tells people we're the sixth richest, so can afford a little extra.
Boris tells them that we're actually the sixth BIGGEST so have to keep our belts tight.
https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1198758981071564800
My point was rather that his youth, in this field of wrinklies, gives him a better chance than he would otherwise have had.
Lamentably, for America and the world, I can see trump winning again.
I'd reply that most voters quite like a drink. If you've been promising to turn up to a party with a bottle of wine, and you actually arrive with a four pack of Diet Coke, you'll might just make the guy who brings a crate of champagne look even more appealing.
And forever.
https://www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/2019/11/24/hackney-north-lib-dem-candidate-dropped-clearly-offensive-tweets/
The ones I know of, in addition to this one, are the Tory candidate in Aberdeen North and the LD candidate in Birmingham Hodge Hill.
How to sell yourself to the public as their representative in parliament.
Stokes and Denly are England's best two for stickability.
So, I like Michael Bloomberg a lot. I think he was an excellent Mayor of NYC. He is a brilliant self made man, who still runs his financial media empire. He would probably be an excellent President.
But.
I think he's going to find it hard to get traction. Firstly, he's simply not that popular with rank-and-file Democrats. Secondly, skipping the early states is not that great a strategy.
In ten weeks time, there will be an Iowa winner. A week later, there will be a New Hampshire one. (And possibly they'll be the same person.) If the winner (or winners) of those Primaries are on the moderate side of the Democratic party (whether Buttigieg or Biden), then what's Mr Bloomberg's pitch? Pick me over the other moderate, 'cause...
Now it's quite possible that Sanders wins both Primaries, and Biden and Buttigieg are flailing (as are all the other moderates, like Harris, Klobuchar, Patrick and Booker)... in which case I guess we could see Bloomberg make a splash. But that's a pretty narrow window of opportunity. 6% chance? I'd say more like a 1% chance.