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I don't mean to piss on your parade, but how is this fantasy minority government happening? I cannot see the LDs propping up Corbyn, even if the SNP will stomach it to get a second referendum. And you reckon the PLP will let Corbyn sign the death warrant of the United Kingdom? You're not living in the real world.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Their strategy is basically defensive.NoSpaceName said:
Labour have no hope of being the largest party, but they might just hang on to force Johnson from Number 10.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
I see it going like this:
Tories largest party but down seats.
Labour is a minority Government and we have a referendum. Remain wins.
Another election is called.0 -
Labour hanging on to their seats, letting Libdems and SNP do the heavy lifting.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Their strategy is basically defensive.NoSpaceName said:
Labour have no hope of being the largest party, but they might just hang on to force Johnson from Number 10.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
I see it going like this:
Tories largest party but down seats.
Labour is a minority Government and we have a referendum. Remain wins.
Another election is called.
There'll be a real cost for helping them if so.0 -
So does a good poker name make it hard for people to tell when you are bluffing?ReggieCide said:
Only to the extent both relate to a card game not a fireside implement.Fysics_Teacher said:
Is a poker name like a poker face?ReggieCide said:
I have explained on here before that it's a poker name. If it were a sport I judge it less likely to reside in the Tory party than almost anywhere else.ydoethur said:
I never realised regicide is a sport. Other than in the Tory party, obviously.ReggieCide said:
Are you suggesting I'm not a proper sport?brokenwheel said:
No, I only make analogies to proper sports.ReggieCide said:
Is that a cricketing analogy?brokenwheel said:
Yes that's a silly point. I despise the man but literally the last thing i'm worried about is him getting twitchy with the red button.logical_song said:
At least Corbyn won't use the nuclear codes. Anything else he tries in a minority government can be voted down if the other parties don't support it.Andy_JS said:
People say this, but under our system once someone has been appointed PM you have a lot of powers regardless of whether you're running a majority, minority or coalition government: you get access to the nuclear codes, etc. There's only one type of prime minister.CorrectHorseBattery said:Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything remotely controversial. I doubt he'll even get railway nationalisation through.
What he will do, is have a referendum on Brexit where hopefully we Remain and we can see an end to this utter mess.0 -
If Boris Johnson's Tories are the largest party but they're down on seats, who on Earth will they Govern with?Jason said:
I don't mean to piss on your parade, but how is this fantasy minority government happening? I cannot see the LDs propping up Corbyn, even if the SNP will stomach it to get a second referendum. And you reckon the PLP will let Corbyn sign the death warrant of the United Kingdom? You're not living in the real world.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Their strategy is basically defensive.NoSpaceName said:
Labour have no hope of being the largest party, but they might just hang on to force Johnson from Number 10.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
I see it going like this:
Tories largest party but down seats.
Labour is a minority Government and we have a referendum. Remain wins.
Another election is called.
Think it's quite likely Corbyn resigns in the scenario to which you refer.0 -
Boris looks to me like he will get an angry majority. The electorate will give him a 30 to 50 seat cushion but are going to be really pissed off about it for 5 years. I wouldn't fancy being a Tory canvasser in 20240
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If there's a big swing in Reading West, there will be a big swing in other battleground seats.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You've missed my point. The Tories need to gain seats, they increase their voteshare in Reading West and they haven't actually gained anything.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
They need to gain seats from Labour to get a majority. It's like Curtice said, if the Tories aren't winning a majority, they've lost, basically.
I'm not saying the result won't be interesting and eye-opening, I'm just saying that there are better seats to look at, if what you are interested in is seeing if the Tories will gain a majority.0 -
I thought the Tories were going to get a kicking along the M4 corridor?nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.0 -
I think that true. The VC were simply more willing to be ruthless and accept vast numbers of casualties compared to the Americans. For them the war was existential unlike the USA.NoSpaceName said:Interesting responses on Vietnam. Perhaps the consequence is that you really ought not involve yourself in a conflict unless you are prepared to be as ruthless as necessary - and you better have a good idea of how ruthless you will need to be.
So, for example, intervening to support the Kurds to defeat IS didn't require a high level of ruthlessness, because the Kurds provide a reliable bulwark of support. Intervening to support Assad is requiring more ruthlessness from the Russians, because the base of Assad's support is relatively narrow. But the base of the non-Islamist opposition to Assad is even narrower.0 -
I can't recall the numbers but I'm pretty sure there were an unusually large number of close calls last time round, particularly in Scotland.MikeL said:In every single GE, both main parties each win a number of seats narrowly. I think normally they both win around 15 to 20 seats by less than 1,000 votes.
And you always get some seats being gained by the loser.
Which is why:
1) Farage standing down in Con seats does matter - because even if Con wins a majority you should expect some Lab Gains from Con - so Farage standing down helps Con avoid some of those inevitable losses.
2) Reading West type results do matter - because if 2017 narrow Con wins become easy wins then they won't be in the narrow wins pool this time - which means other seats will be in the narrow wins pool this time.0 -
Poshest seat in the country if I remember correctly. I think I visited it once in order to see Jane Austen's house.CorrectHorseBattery said:
North East Hants. It's incredibly safe but apart from 2017, Lib Dems have always come second here. Doing my bit I guess.Andy_JS said:
Which seat are you in?CorrectHorseBattery said:At the end of the day, if you want to stop Brexit you're going to need Labour's help. I would vote tactically.
I'm going to vote Lib Dem in this seat, not at all happy about it but I see that the issue is bigger than party politics this time around.0 -
Well the Survation poll said there is a big swing in that seat. But that's why we need to see the other seats this eveningSean_F said:
If there's a big swing in Reading West, there will be a big swing in other battleground seats.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You've missed my point. The Tories need to gain seats, they increase their voteshare in Reading West and they haven't actually gained anything.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
They need to gain seats from Labour to get a majority. It's like Curtice said, if the Tories aren't winning a majority, they've lost, basically.
I'm not saying the result won't be interesting and eye-opening, I'm just saying that there are better seats to look at, if what you are interested in is seeing if the Tories will gain a majority.
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Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?0 -
Yes that sort of swing brings seats like Birminghams Northfield and Edgbaston, the Bromwichs, Stoke, Coventry into play in the MidlandsSean_F said:
If there's a big swing in Reading West, there will be a big swing in other battleground seats.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You've missed my point. The Tories need to gain seats, they increase their voteshare in Reading West and they haven't actually gained anything.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
They need to gain seats from Labour to get a majority. It's like Curtice said, if the Tories aren't winning a majority, they've lost, basically.
I'm not saying the result won't be interesting and eye-opening, I'm just saying that there are better seats to look at, if what you are interested in is seeing if the Tories will gain a majority.0 -
On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.0
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Corbyn resign? Hahahahaha.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Boris Johnson's Tories are the largest party but they're down on seats, who on Earth will they Govern with?Jason said:
I don't mean to piss on your parade, but how is this fantasy minority government happening? I cannot see the LDs propping up Corbyn, even if the SNP will stomach it to get a second referendum. And you reckon the PLP will let Corbyn sign the death warrant of the United Kingdom? You're not living in the real world.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Their strategy is basically defensive.NoSpaceName said:
Labour have no hope of being the largest party, but they might just hang on to force Johnson from Number 10.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
I see it going like this:
Tories largest party but down seats.
Labour is a minority Government and we have a referendum. Remain wins.
Another election is called.
Think it's quite likely Corbyn resigns in the scenario to which you refer.0 -
It may just be that it takes longer for constituency polls to be published so that by the time we see them they're more likely to be out of date. (Not sure why that is but they always seem to be a few weeks old).OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?0 -
That's it yes. And yes you're right, it is a lot like that.Andy_JS said:
Poshest seat in the country if I remember correctly. I think I visited it once in order to see Jane Austen's house.CorrectHorseBattery said:
North East Hants. It's incredibly safe but apart from 2017, Lib Dems have always come second here. Doing my bit I guess.Andy_JS said:
Which seat are you in?CorrectHorseBattery said:At the end of the day, if you want to stop Brexit you're going to need Labour's help. I would vote tactically.
I'm going to vote Lib Dem in this seat, not at all happy about it but I see that the issue is bigger than party politics this time around.
Although it's one of those seats quite indicative of the kind of Tory Remain voter they need to keep. So if they see a large swing to the Lib Dems here, they're potentially in trouble.
The real seats are Guildford and Winchester, which may well go Lib Dem.0 -
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.0 -
It'll be Brown all over again. He'll definitely resign rather than have another GE immediately.Jason said:
Corbyn resign? Hahahahaha.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If Boris Johnson's Tories are the largest party but they're down on seats, who on Earth will they Govern with?Jason said:
I don't mean to piss on your parade, but how is this fantasy minority government happening? I cannot see the LDs propping up Corbyn, even if the SNP will stomach it to get a second referendum. And you reckon the PLP will let Corbyn sign the death warrant of the United Kingdom? You're not living in the real world.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Their strategy is basically defensive.NoSpaceName said:
Labour have no hope of being the largest party, but they might just hang on to force Johnson from Number 10.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
I see it going like this:
Tories largest party but down seats.
Labour is a minority Government and we have a referendum. Remain wins.
Another election is called.
Think it's quite likely Corbyn resigns in the scenario to which you refer.0 -
I don't bluff - that for the benefit of any other poker players on here on the off chance that we stumble over each other. The name is obviously only used on line when you can jump up and down and whoop if you've got an unbeatable hand.Fysics_Teacher said:
So does a good poker name make it hard for people to tell when you are bluffing?ReggieCide said:
Only to the extent both relate to a card game not a fireside implement.Fysics_Teacher said:
Is a poker name like a poker face?ReggieCide said:
I have explained on here before that it's a poker name. If it were a sport I judge it less likely to reside in the Tory party than almost anywhere else.ydoethur said:
I never realised regicide is a sport. Other than in the Tory party, obviously.ReggieCide said:
Are you suggesting I'm not a proper sport?brokenwheel said:
No, I only make analogies to proper sports.ReggieCide said:
Is that a cricketing analogy?brokenwheel said:
Yes that's a silly point. I despise the man but literally the last thing i'm worried about is him getting twitchy with the red button.logical_song said:
At least Corbyn won't use the nuclear codes. Anything else he tries in a minority government can be voted down if the other parties don't support it.Andy_JS said:
People say this, but under our system once someone has been appointed PM you have a lot of powers regardless of whether you're running a majority, minority or coalition government: you get access to the nuclear codes, etc. There's only one type of prime minister.CorrectHorseBattery said:Corbyn won't have enough seats to do anything remotely controversial. I doubt he'll even get railway nationalisation through.
What he will do, is have a referendum on Brexit where hopefully we Remain and we can see an end to this utter mess.0 -
Yes, I think that's a realistic best case scenario for Labour, but either Labour, or the Liberal Democrats, need to strengthen against the Tories to make it happen.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Their strategy is basically defensive.NoSpaceName said:
Labour have no hope of being the largest party, but they might just hang on to force Johnson from Number 10.RobD said:
Reading West is exactly the kind of seat Labour need to be winning to have any hope of being largest party, let alone a having a majority. This isn't Tories piling up votes in safe seats, it's them piling up votes in marginals.CorrectHorseBattery said:
To be fair, Reading West is already a Tory seat. So if the Tory lead just leads to building up huge leads in seats they already have, it doesn't mean much.nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.
The important thing to watch is the marginals, so Reading East for instance.
I see it going like this:
Tories largest party but down seats.
Labour is a minority Government and we have a referendum. Remain wins.
Another election is called.0 -
When I was living in halls, the alarm system was grossly over-sensitive. On one occasion it was actually set off by somebody breathing on it.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Admittedly, it was also faulty, but it took months to repair.0 -
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.0 -
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?0 -
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
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This from the internetFoxy said:
I think that true. The VC were simply more willing to be ruthless and accept vast numbers of casualties compared to the Americans. For them the war was existential unlike the USA.NoSpaceName said:Interesting responses on Vietnam. Perhaps the consequence is that you really ought not involve yourself in a conflict unless you are prepared to be as ruthless as necessary - and you better have a good idea of how ruthless you will need to be.
So, for example, intervening to support the Kurds to defeat IS didn't require a high level of ruthlessness, because the Kurds provide a reliable bulwark of support. Intervening to support Assad is requiring more ruthlessness from the Russians, because the base of Assad's support is relatively narrow. But the base of the non-Islamist opposition to Assad is even narrower.
The human costs of the long conflict were harsh for all involved. Not until 1995 did Vietnam release its official estimate of war dead: as many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war. In 1982 the Vietnam Veterans Memorial was dedicated in Washington, D.C., inscribed with the names of 57,939 members of U.S. armed forces who had died or were missing as a result of the war. Over the following years, additions to the list have brought the total past 58,200.0 -
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.0 -
Good evening PB
Everyone ready for another Mega Polling Saturday?
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Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?0
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Speak for yourself, mine want to stay in lessons!Fysics_Teacher said:
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.0 -
The wonders of a degree education eh?ydoethur said:
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.0 -
You are assuming no Tory remainers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?0 -
You'd really hope Labour to be up in these polls this weekend if they are to have any hope of making progress. Although next weekend will be the real test, after the manifesto is released.0
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They took too literally the injunction that their intellect was a fire to be ignited.ozymandias said:
The wonders of a degree education eh?ydoethur said:
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.0 -
Sure - but if they're voting Tory regardless, the strategy of the Lib Dems isn't working.Fysics_Teacher said:
You are assuming no Tory remainers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?
Perhaps that's because in this seat a Remain vote = a vote for Labour. And they won't do that.0 -
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
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Most Tory remainers IMHO will vote for Boris to keep Corbyn out.Fysics_Teacher said:
You are assuming no Tory remainers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?0 -
On the radio this morning I heard a student say that they had remained in their room with the alarm going, sent someone to go find out what was happening, and ultimately only left the building when another student went knocking on doors. They were on the fourth floor, and must have been in their room for many minutes before finally deciding to leave. To be blunt such behaviour is almost suicidal.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
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My student flat mate tried frying an egg on an iron. Didn’t end well but was a laugh after a few Hooch oranges.ydoethur said:
They took too literally the injunction that their intellect was a fire to be ignited.ozymandias said:
The wonders of a degree education eh?ydoethur said:
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.0 -
That's my view too, unfortunately.squareroot2 said:
Most Tory remainers IMHO will vote for Boris to keep Corbyn out.Fysics_Teacher said:
You are assuming no Tory remainers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?
But, they voted for May last time. So it's not new voters.
If they're piling up votes in seats they already have, it's not much good in terms of actually gaining.0 -
Make your polling predictions?0
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Gordon Brown is lucky to be excluded from this awfulness, only because he wasn't F Sec. Otherwise he would "win" hands downRoger said:Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?
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In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
Lab and Con BOTH up. Gap maintained at around 10%...CorrectHorseBattery said:Make your polling predictions?
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CON at 100%.CorrectHorseBattery said:Make your polling predictions?
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Smooth operator, or just eggsplosive?ozymandias said:
My student flat mate tried frying an egg on an iron. Didn’t end well but was a laugh after a few Hooch oranges.ydoethur said:
They took too literally the injunction that their intellect was a fire to be ignited.ozymandias said:
The wonders of a degree education eh?ydoethur said:
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.0 -
Mine don’t, unless it’s raining...ydoethur said:
Speak for yourself, mine want to stay in lessons!Fysics_Teacher said:
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.
Hang on, you teach in Wales.0 -
Margin of error changes hyped out of all proportion.GIN1138 said:
Lab and Con BOTH up. Gap maintained at around 10%...CorrectHorseBattery said:Make your polling predictions?
At least that's what I'm planning on doing.2 -
Would it be too much of an in-joke to needlessly stereotype the residents of Pantyceyln?ydoethur said:
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.
(Ifor Evans boy, me).0 -
Right, are we getting any polling tonight? YouGov were definitely polling midweek.0
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He got out of the first job without us ending up in a World War, so not all bad!Roger said:Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?
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You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
Con lead down, PB Tories require change of underwear.CorrectHorseBattery said:Make your polling predictions?
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They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
Do I? That's sudden. I never knew South Staffordshire was in Wales. Indeed, I even thought our MP was so unWelsh, despite his name, that he was in charge of the English education system...Fysics_Teacher said:
Mine don’t, unless it’s raining...ydoethur said:
Speak for yourself, mine want to stay in lessons!Fysics_Teacher said:
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.
Hang on, you teach in Wales.0 -
Yep. You[WHAT]Gov and DeltaPoll are assured. Almost certainly Opinium and probably more besides...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Right, are we getting any polling tonight? YouGov were definitely polling midweek.
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Well, they were definitely sheepish.Sandpit said:
Would it be too much of an in-joke to needlessly stereotype the residents of Pantyceyln?ydoethur said:
On one occasion certain students in Pantycelyn got in at 3am and wanted fried bread.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
They therefore poured oil on the bread and put it in the toaster.
(Ifor Evans boy, me).1 -
I would say there are two types of Tory remainers: one sort are those who accept the original vote and are now more worried by Corbyn, and those that did not accept it but are now more worried by Corbyn.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Sure - but if they're voting Tory regardless, the strategy of the Lib Dems isn't working.Fysics_Teacher said:
You are assuming no Tory remainers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?
Perhaps that's because in this seat a Remain vote = a vote for Labour. And they won't do that.0 -
You can reread the conversation here:Philip_Thompson said:
That's not what was said, I would agree with that, attacking anyone under any circumstances is wrong.Noo said:
I remember saying that those who attack people for choosing to wear a burqa are equally as bad as those who attack people who choose to wear a kippah.Philip_Thompson said:
Besides being a retort to what you said sure do you remember conflating the burqa with the Jewish skullcap?Noo said:
Point to a single antisemitic thing I've ever said and I'll let that stand.Philip_Thompson said:
Good evening, antisemite.Noo said:Good evening, islamophobes
I still can't understand why you thought that was so controversial. All I want is for people irrespective of their faith to be left alone and not intimidated or bullied. Your remarkable outburst in response to that radical notion was... interesting.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7953/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-new-pb-polling-matters-podcast-where-do-we-go-from-here-and/p6
I was very clearly arguing for tolerance in the way people choose to dress by saying that we wouldn't find it acceptable for someone to ridicule the yarmulke (although I spelled it wrong, so apologies for that).
You then decided to drag the KKK into the discussion. Later you doubled down on that comparison.0 -
In tory vs Libdem seats yes. Not against LabourMarqueeMark said:
I thought the Tories were going to get a kicking along the M4 corridor?nunu2 said:
Survation showed a massive Tory lead in Reading West.RobD said:
Probably a ton of near-misses for the BluesCarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
I'd be suprised if Deltapoll didnt also show Tories taking loads of seats off Labour.0 -
We know from other polls that somewhere around two thirds of Tory remainers are still with the ToriesCorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?0 -
A poll in Reading East would be far more interesting.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?
Last time the result was Lab 49%, Con 42%, LD 6%, Grn 2%.1 -
Johnson getting a deal was bad news for the Lib Dems .
But for Remainers like me a relief . My worst nightmare was a no deal . Or a breakdown in negotiations and an election fought on Bozo trashing the EU daily and trashing relations completely.
Where it became no deal Tories against the opposition. The stakes are very high in this election as ever but would have been even higher if there was a chance of no deal at the end .
The deal has allowed the Tories to stop a flood of Remainers to the Lib Dems , unless the campaign suddenly moves to the future relationship then I can’t see them losing many more to the Lib Dems .
For all the talk of the Brexit election , the sum total of debate so far has been zip . Stop Brexit v Get Brexit Done is it so far.0 -
Which ignores the likely capital flight in the private sector as well.ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.
A Corbyn government would be amusing only for the most determined students of black humour.
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I wonder if all the young people that have registered to vote will actually bother. It seems like this happens every time and they sit at home.0
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The scenario that tests our Constitutional assumptions is where the Tories lose net seats (-20 ish to 295), Labour lose net seats (-20 ish to 250), the SNP gain net seats (+15 ish to 50), the Liberal Democrats gain net seats (+20 ish to 30) and there are 25 ish others/NI.
It would be on a real knife edge whether Labour+SNP+PC+Grn would outnumber Conservative+DUP. It's possible we'd see a few Labour backbenchers speak out against Corbyn as PM in that scenario, as in 2010 with Brown. I've no idea what would happen.
At the moment I don't expect so many SNP/Liberal Democrat gains and more Labour losses, giving the Tories at least some level of formal majority, but it's an outcome that's possible if Johnson stumbles, and/or the polls are all systematically inflating his vote share - as Mike reminds us did happen with the London Mayor elections.1 -
What I really can't understand is people who go to the trouble of registering to vote and then don't actually bother to vote on the day (or by post). Apparently there are a lot of people in this category at each election.CorrectHorseBattery said:I wonder if all the young people that have registered to vote will actually bother. It seems like this happens every time and they sit at home.
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Nationalisation would have been a much more plausible solution in 2005, or 2010. It makes little sense in 2019 as there are now multiple companies investing heavily to make high-speed broadband widely available. By my reckoning somewhere between 2.5 to 3.0 million new premises should get FTTC or FTTP each year, and development will likely go faster than that in later years, and by the middle of the next decade most of the job should be done.Jason said:Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.
If Labour win I would expect the plug to be pulled on those plans. Why would a company invest billions of pounds to have a Labour government give them a government bond to cover the cost, with a value that Parliament decides upon? If those companies wanted govnerment debt they could acquire it right now without all the trouble of digging up every street in Britain.1 -
Not just that, but capital flight before any controls could be put in would be huge.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.1 -
There's a stronger chance of a PensionerQuake than a YouthQuake.CorrectHorseBattery said:I wonder if all the young people that have registered to vote will actually bother. It seems like this happens every time and they sit at home.
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Beckett and Brown in 2007 ?Roger said:Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?
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If you believe that all morality is vested in state provision and the only workers with real value work for the state then wealth creation is irrelevant. The state will provide.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
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Everyone is overthinking this. The answer is clearly ‘no,’ as if anyone else had combined the two offices and done badly Johnson means they are no longer the worst.ThomastheCat said:
Beckett and Brown in 2007 ?Roger said:Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?
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...they aren't the same personThomastheCat said:
Beckett and Brown in 2007 ?Roger said:Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?
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Now that I can do.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
Good question raised above.
What is the general view here on the polls? Do you believe them? Do you think the gap is wider or smaller in reality?0 -
I’m sorry but the Government IS to blame.Jason said:
It won't stop Labour attributing blame to the government, though. Let's not pretend they won't use this to try and score points.CarlottaVance said:Beat Corbyn to it?
https://twitter.com/RobertJenrick/status/1195732276233035776?s=20
Grenfell was over 2 years ago and the Government has done absolutely nothing to force landlords and building owners to make them safe.
It’s an utter disgrace.3 -
You must just be a better teacher then.☹️ydoethur said:
Do I? That's sudden. I never knew South Staffordshire was in Wales. Indeed, I even thought our MP was so unWelsh, despite his name, that he was in charge of the English education system...Fysics_Teacher said:
Mine don’t, unless it’s raining...ydoethur said:
Speak for yourself, mine want to stay in lessons!Fysics_Teacher said:
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.
Hang on, you teach in Wales.0 -
If you can multiply in factors, does that make you a square?Fysics_Teacher said:
Now that I can do.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt. 2 -
There was some talk around the time that the election was called that a December election could dampen turnout amongst older voters. I always thought that was a bit of a strange assertion. In my experience the older you are the more likely you are to consider voting as your civic duty, and a little bit of dark and cold and rain won't stop them from duly trooping to the polling stations (or for those too infirm, voting by post).CorrectHorseBattery said:I wonder if all the young people that have registered to vote will actually bother. It seems like this happens every time and they sit at home.
If the end of the world was upon us on polling day and fire and brimstone was raining down from the skies, you'd still expect the elderly to turn up to vote.
The question is whether the winter election will dampen YOUTH turnout.1 -
If I say I teach a more interesting subject, will that make me unpopular?Fysics_Teacher said:
You must just be a better teacher then.☹️ydoethur said:
Do I? That's sudden. I never knew South Staffordshire was in Wales. Indeed, I even thought our MP was so unWelsh, despite his name, that he was in charge of the English education system...Fysics_Teacher said:
Mine don’t, unless it’s raining...ydoethur said:
Speak for yourself, mine want to stay in lessons!Fysics_Teacher said:
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.
Hang on, you teach in Wales.
Thing is, after we get past Einstein there are just no decent sex maniacs in Physics.0 -
I've told you before. You know where to find your coatydoethur said:
If you can multiply in factors, does that make you a square?Fysics_Teacher said:
Now that I can do.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt. 0 -
The thing you need to keep in mind is that different pollsters have different turnout models. It's always a key issue in any election, but I have a feeling it's going to be especially important this time. Whoever has the "right" turnout model has a running start. But we won't know until after the result come throughCorrectHorseBattery said:Good question raised above.
What is the general view here on the polls? Do you believe them? Do you think the gap is wider or smaller in reality? 0 -
Boris far better than Brown - no crash and hasn’t bottled an election.ydoethur said:
Everyone is overthinking this. The answer is clearly ‘no,’ as if anyone else had combined the two offices and done badly Johnson means they are no longer the worst.ThomastheCat said:
Beckett and Brown in 2007 ?Roger said:Have we ever had the worst Foreign Secretary ever and the worst Prime Minister ever being the same person?
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The assumption is more completely that the number of Tory Remainers is balanced by the number of Labour Leavers.Fysics_Teacher said:
You are assuming no Tory remainers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?
That's a more reasonable assumption, but could still end up wrong.0 -
You liked the post, so I know you were rooting for me really.Richard_Tyndall said:
I've told you before. You know where to find your coatydoethur said:
If you can multiply in factors, does that make you a square?Fysics_Teacher said:
Now that I can do.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.
Stop throwing my fecking coat at me!0 -
There are still quite a lot of Tory Remainers, and the proportion will vary slightly from seat to seat.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Reading West is almost 50/50 Remain/Leave. If the polls are right, it should have swung to Remain by now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
The Survation poll said:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195704574042001408
So 50% of the vote is with the Tories, we can assume that's the Leave side.
BXP on 7%.
So Leave is on 57%.
The Remain side (Labour + others), is on 42%.
So by that logic Reading West has swung the other way, it's gone to Leave.
But what we don't know, is the unknowns. Where will they go?0 -
I’m so square I’m a tesseract.ydoethur said:
If you can multiply in factors, does that make you a square?Fysics_Teacher said:
Now that I can do.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
I admit it. You tanned me there.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’m so square I’m a tesseract.ydoethur said:
If you can multiply in factors, does that make you a square?Fysics_Teacher said:
Now that I can do.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
Just had an interesting chat with a mate who is heavily involved in telecoms industry. It is horrendously complex. Openreach is the last mile provider. What is going to happen about the backbone stuff?glw said:
Nationalisation would have been a much more plausible solution in 2005, or 2010. It makes little sense in 2019 as there are now multiple companies investing heavily to make high-speed broadband widely available. By my reckoning somewhere between 2.5 to 3.0 million new premises should get FTTC or FTTP each year, and development will likely go faster than that in later years, and by the middle of the next decade most of the job should be done.Jason said:Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.
If Labour win I would expect the plug to be pulled on those plans. Why would a company invest billions of pounds to have a Labour government give them a government bond to cover the cost, with a value that Parliament decides upon? If those companies wanted govnerment debt they could acquire it right now without all the trouble of digging up every street in Britain.0 -
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2019-labour-conservatives-gap-vote-poll-corbyn-johnson-a9205616.html
>Robert Struthers, head of polling at BMG Research, said: “With Labour’s poll rating improving slightly over the last few months, so too have perceptions of Corbyn’s own performance. This is not to say that the Labour leader should now be considered a popular leader, but he has recovered from a low of -48 per cent in July, rising to -36 per cent in this poll. That being said, the Labour leader remains significantly less popular now than he was one month out from the 2017 election where we recorded his net satisfaction at -17 per cent.”
Hmm0 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynmanydoethur said:
If I say I teach a more interesting subject, will that make me unpopular?Fysics_Teacher said:
You must just be a better teacher then.☹️ydoethur said:
Do I? That's sudden. I never knew South Staffordshire was in Wales. Indeed, I even thought our MP was so unWelsh, despite his name, that he was in charge of the English education system...Fysics_Teacher said:
Mine don’t, unless it’s raining...ydoethur said:
Speak for yourself, mine want to stay in lessons!Fysics_Teacher said:
Tosters are banned in our staff room kitchen after two fire alarms caused by teachers wandering off and forgetting their toast.ozymandias said:
As a student our fire alarm was always going off.Fysics_Teacher said:On the fire, the alarm system also seems to have nearly caused it to be much worse as multiple false alarms made many students ignore the real thing to start with.
Toast. It was always toast.
At least you don’t have to worry about the enthusiasm with which most pupils will escape from a class room.
Hang on, you teach in Wales.
Thing is, after we get past Einstein there are just no decent sex maniacs in Physics.
Edit: I’ll concede the interesting, when it’s taught well.0 -
Do you expect a noticeable withdrawal from Premium Bonds in the event of a Corbyn government.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0 -
For Reading West my model has Con/Lab/LD/BXP as 50/33/14/0OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do we think polling firms have become better at single constituency polls? I seem to remember they were really shit last time.CarlottaVance said:Terrible tease....
https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1195733488839864320?s=20
The Reading W poll has got me thinking though. My model shows Labour gaining it, based on Labour doing better in the SE than the rest of the country I think. But from descriptions of the constituency on here it sounds like its demographic profile is more like the Midlands than the Home Counties, so perhaps this is a seat where something like MRP will do a better job. I am very willing to believe my model is wrong on this seat. But presumably it means Labour is doing better somewhere else?
MRP has 37/28/22/8
Clear Tory hold.0 -
I think it’s fair to say that Labour’s pick for Governor of the Bank of England is likely to be a tad unorthodox.ozymandias said:
They would just fire up the printing presses. Hope everyone’s got their wheel barrows ready and brushed up on how to express the power of ten.Jason said:
You have a point about financial institutions not lending to them. Here's a scenario to put to the Corbynistas here - would any of them lend to his government?ydoethur said:
In fairness, I disagree there. I think the real constraint on a Corbyn government is that after Greece and Venezuela nobody would lend to them. So they would have to balance the books immediately to avoid borrowing.Jason said:
Didn't McDonnell say they could nationalise all of the 200 odd broadband providers if necessary? They really are quite mad, and it proves conclusively how few of them know a single thing about private business, wealth creation and employment. The figure of 1.2 trillion extra in debt is a substantial shortfall of the real figure.glw said:
I expect that if Labour win the general election a whole load of companies will tear up their existing plans, and do as little work as they are contractually required to do. Which would be a real shame as between them Openreach, Virgin Media, and Cityfibre are now well on track to deliver high-speed broaband to most of the population before Labour's 2030 target. The existing government schemes should pay for the rest of the population. I genuinely believe that Labour could end up delaying the rollout of FTTC/FTTP rather than speeding things up.Muffin13 said:Because steel, railways and Royal Mail are mainly one-offs. If Labour wins would BT become a Monopoly and should people who work for the Broadband section of SKY, Virgin Media and other companies start looking for a new job or position? Also, will there be a drop in investment for all these companies?
The severe damage this would cause is one reason I’m so opposed to them getting into Government. But it would be very funny as well.
At the same time, it does mean no extra debt.0
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