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I think its more to do with her being a ....IanB2 said:
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).Peter_the_Punter said:
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.Anabobazina said:The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.0 -
As I said: rubbish.RobD said:
No, I wouldn't.Gallowgate said:
Rubbish. If ‘leave’ parties won more than 50% of the vote combined but the election returned a ‘remain’ party you’d be whining from high heaven.RobD said:
I don't speak for others, but I know that I won't change my view on PR just because I got a result I didn't like.Gallowgate said:I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.0 -
Well, clearing history and caches had not effect, but putting a browser debugger on produced this ...rottenborough said:
Works on Chrome on my Mac.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Keeps doing the same for me but is ok after I delete the historyBeibheirli_C said:Hmmm... Vanilla has stopped working on Chrome, but if I go to incognito mode in Chrome, It works again.
Weird
But Firefox has now stopped working.
I swapped to Firefox some weeks ago because Chrome stopped working!!!
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Why? When only Farage is holding out for a “true” “real” Brexit, Bozo now having sold out to a worse deal from the E.U. even than Mrs M’s?Luckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
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They won't that would guarantee Swinson holds the balance of powerGallowgate said:I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.0 -
Can we wait a few weeks and when things settle down start to discuss reality or do you almost really live in the parallel universe of the next poll.
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On what do you base that view? Plenty of FPTP supporters might do so, but we cannot assume all would, particularly when they have always backed FPTP, even when it returned outcomes they very much did not like.Gallowgate said:
Rubbish. If ‘leave’ parties won more than 50% of the vote combined but the election returned a ‘remain’ parliament you’d be whining from high heaven.RobD said:
I don't speak for others, but I know that I won't change my view on PR just because I got a result I didn't like.Gallowgate said:I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.
As a PR supporter we often see the opposite trend, where people suddenly get very passionately in support of PR right after an outcome such as you describe, but we cannot assume everyone who backs PR thinks that way, nor that every FPTP backer only thinks that because it currently benefits them.0 -
I'm sorry, but I know myself better than you do. I would accept that because I accept that FPTP can lead to quirks like that. If parties can't win an overall majority with the rules as they are, they should fight harder to convince more people, rather than changing the rules to make it easier for them to win.Gallowgate said:
As I said: rubbish.RobD said:
No, I wouldn't.Gallowgate said:
Rubbish. If ‘leave’ parties won more than 50% of the vote combined but the election returned a ‘remain’ party you’d be whining from high heaven.RobD said:
I don't speak for others, but I know that I won't change my view on PR just because I got a result I didn't like.Gallowgate said:I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.0 -
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?0 -
Very well saidnichomar said:Can we wait a few weeks and when things settle down start to discuss reality or do you almost really live in the parallel universe of the next poll.
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https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1191403117910405120?s=19Stereotomy said:
Link to the wales poll?contrarian said:
That poll was not promising for the the tories blue collar strategy really.IanB2 said:
What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.kle4 said:Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.
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I think the sight of the other candidates on the ballot paper will have most Brexit Party supporters returning to their original preferences when they are in the booth.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.0 -
And as I say again, what do you base that on? Do you genuinely think no one supports FPTP except out of partisan reasons?Gallowgate said:
As I said: rubbish.RobD said:
No, I wouldn't.Gallowgate said:
Rubbish. If ‘leave’ parties won more than 50% of the vote combined but the election returned a ‘remain’ party you’d be whining from high heaven.RobD said:
I don't speak for others, but I know that I won't change my view on PR just because I got a result I didn't like.Gallowgate said:I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.
I don't think it's enough to just say someone is a liar. What makes you reasonably think he is lying?0 -
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.0
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After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.0 -
They might still be worrying about how this went for them last time?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Let's see what happens in the real vote.HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
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So another insightful fact based post from a labour blinkered voterbigjohnowls said:
I think its more to do with her being a ....IanB2 said:
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).Peter_the_Punter said:
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.Anabobazina said:The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.1 -
TBF, last time they campaigned with great energy and yet everyone agrees it was extremely counterproductive.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Well that clears that up then (!)Beibheirli_C said:
Well, clearing history and caches had not effect, but putting a browser debugger on produced this ...rottenborough said:
Works on Chrome on my Mac.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Keeps doing the same for me but is ok after I delete the historyBeibheirli_C said:Hmmm... Vanilla has stopped working on Chrome, but if I go to incognito mode in Chrome, It works again.
Weird
But Firefox has now stopped working.
I swapped to Firefox some weeks ago because Chrome stopped working!!!
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They campaigned last time? Thats news to me.IanB2 said:
They might still be worrying about how this went for them last time?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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The campaign does not start officially until Wednesday when Boris launches the Tories campaign in the Midlands and Parliament is dissolved, though I was delivering Tory leaflets in Harlow on SaturdayFrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Because he won’t face her, she would wipe the floor with himEndillion said:After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.0 -
Seems that he may not have said such a thing. I didn't recognise the quote, so I looked it up.Toms said:I wonder if what Churchill said of the Americans(*) applies to us on this side of the Atlantic
(*) "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
He did say (or so it seems) something quite similar about democracy. That was a quote I knew, and it sort of surprised me that he'd say such a similar thing about the Americans.
I don't think we're even slightly adventurous in our forms of government, and probably not in much else either.
(Was trying to think if there's a country that has really explored a good many forms of government - Germany I guess, albeit that it was only in parts of Germany that they explored some things)0 -
Wednesday is the Conservative's national launch, once Parliament has been formally dissolved.kle4 said:
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Apparently the Tory campaign will be like 2015 with a highly focussed targeted social media campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
So whilst Labour do the ground game the Tories look a bit silent.0 -
Bishop Auckland, Grimsby, Vale of Clwyd, Penistone and Stockbridge, Gower, Wrexham, Weaver Vale, Rother Valley, Darlington, Ashfield etc seats the Tories could gain thanks to Labour voters going Brexit PartyIanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?0 -
So after she withdrew herself Harriet Harman didn't endorse the only woman left standing who was herself an experienced Deputy Speaker? Her whole "it should be a woman" line was just self-serving bullshit to suit her own agenda and not a point of principle in gender politics? What about the cringeworthy #SpeakHer did she not really mean it?
Colour me shocked! Absolutely shocked! 2 -
Well that clears that up then (!)Benpointer said:Beibheirli_C said:
Well, clearing history and caches had not effect, but putting a browser debugger on produced this ...rottenborough said:
Works on Chrome on my Mac.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Keeps doing the same for me but is ok after I delete the historyBeibheirli_C said:Hmmm... Vanilla has stopped working on Chrome, but if I go to incognito mode in Chrome, It works again.
Weird
But Firefox has now stopped working.
I swapped to Firefox some weeks ago because Chrome stopped working!!!
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It has been a quiet start to the Con campaign. Hopefully they are currently focus grouping the crap out of the manifesto so there's no "dementia tax" clangers this time...FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Official start is wednesday as parliament prorogues tomorrowFrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
Understand Boris is to launch his campaign in the midlands later this week
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I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.kle4 said:
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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That was very successful but they did have a credible leader and top team at the time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Apparently the Tory campaign will be like 2015 with a highly focussed targeted social media campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
So whilst Labour do the ground game the Tories look a bit silent.0 -
Great news! So the only way from there is downhill?MarqueeMark said:
Wednesday is the Conservative's national launch, once Parliament has been formally dissolved.kle4 said:
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Goodness, a response even less self-aware and more arrogant than my original comment.nichomar said:
Because he won’t face her, she would wipe the floor with himEndillion said:After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.0 -
OK - a full clear of all the browser cache (not just the PB bit) seems to have worked. It looks like the HTTP security directive is triggered when a copy is served from the browser cache.
Oh well. Now that that is sorted, back to the fun.0 -
Ushuaia at the southern tip of Tierro del Feugo sells itself as "Fin del Mundo".IanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?
Workington should sue.0 -
How many times today have we seen that bloody clock on parliaments live feed?
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The top 50 achievements of Boris Johnson, Prime Minister.
1.Invented lie about EU law on straight bananas
2.Invented lie about EU banning prawn cocktails
3.Invented lie about EU introducing mandatory smaller coffins
4.Invented lie about EU demanding plastic wrapping around kippers
5.Lied that 80 million people from Turkey would come to UK if we didn't leave EU
6.Sacked from The Times for inventing a quote then lying about having invented
7.Found guilty of misrepresenting facts by IPSO
8.Sacked from Tory front-bench for lying about an affair
9.Accused of misuse of public funds, because it appears he gave £126,000, for no valid reason, to a pole-dancer he boasted he was having an affair with
10.Recorded discussing a plot to break a journalist's ribs and give him "a couple of black eyes" in a conversation with his friend Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster
11.Referred to Commonwealth citizens as "picaninnies", racist term for black children
12.Described black people as having "watermelon smiles"
13.Forced by Telegraph to apologise for describing the people of Papua New Guinea as "cannibals"
14.Suggested reinstating British control over former colonies - essentially restarting The Empire
15.Campaigned to have a deal before we leave the EU, and to stay in the Single Market
16.… then sacked 21 of his own MPs, including the longest-serving MP and Winston Churchill's grandson, for voting to get a deal before we leave the EU and to stay in the Single Market0 -
Know it well. The media have totally misrepresented it. Although called Workington it embraces a huge rural area full of sheep by the million and Tories by the thousand, as well as the Tory town of Cockermouth.IanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?
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Errr... that is 16, not 50. Unless..........bigjohnowls said:The top 50 achievements of Boris Johnson, Prime Minister.
1.Invented lie about EU law on straight bananas
2.Invented lie about EU banning prawn cocktails
3.Invented lie about EU introducing mandatory smaller coffins
4.Invented lie about EU demanding plastic wrapping around kippers
5.Lied that 80 million people from Turkey would come to UK if we didn't leave EU
6.Sacked from The Times for inventing a quote then lying about having invented
7.Found guilty of misrepresenting facts by IPSO
8.Sacked from Tory front-bench for lying about an affair
9.Accused of misuse of public funds, because it appears he gave £126,000, for no valid reason, to a pole-dancer he boasted he was having an affair with
10.Recorded discussing a plot to break a journalist's ribs and give him "a couple of black eyes" in a conversation with his friend Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster
11.Referred to Commonwealth citizens as "picaninnies", racist term for black children
12.Described black people as having "watermelon smiles"
13.Forced by Telegraph to apologise for describing the people of Papua New Guinea as "cannibals"
14.Suggested reinstating British control over former colonies - essentially restarting The Empire
15.Campaigned to have a deal before we leave the EU, and to stay in the Single Market
16.… then sacked 21 of his own MPs, including the longest-serving MP and Winston Churchill's grandson, for voting to get a deal before we leave the EU and to stay in the Single Market
Ah ha!!
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Boris probably is nervous of facing Swinson, or at least his handlers are, because of fears that a man with a woman problem will be seen as bullying a woman.Endillion said:After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.0 -
That's something I find both unnerving and agreeable to visualize.nichomar said:
Because he won’t face her, she would wipe the floor with himEndillion said:After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.0 -
State pension rise, end to benefits freeze, more money for the police announced etcGIN1138 said:
It has been a quiet start to the Con campaign. Hopefully they are currently focus grouping the crap out of the manifesto so there's no "dementia tax" clangers this time...FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Don’t really understand the grounds on which it’s been determined that Swinson is crap. Truth is she’s fundamentally untested as yet.
I think she’s right to make a fuss about the fact of her exclusion, but that exclusion should play well for her. What I think the debate is likely to show is how manifestly unfit both men are fit for the post of prime minister. The response of the audience is likely to be ‘gawd, there’s got to be some better alternative than those two ...’0 -
You reckon Labour and LibDems aren't doing social media?TheScreamingEagles said:
Apparently the Tory campaign will be like 2015 with a highly focussed targeted social media campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
So whilst Labour do the ground game the Tories look a bit silent. 0 -
Johnson campaigned to stay in the Single Market? Are you inventing your own lies @bigjohnowls ?
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Top 50 achievements of Johnson PM
17.Wrote insulting poem about the people of Turkey, then "apologised" to the President of Turkey by complimenting his washing machine
18.Questioned the repeal of the ban on producing information about homosexuality
19.Wrote an article scoring female delegates to the Labour Party conference on his "tottyometer"
20.Said "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts"
21.Described gay men as "bum-boys"
22.Said "Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction"
23.Said the UK must accept that "Islam is the problem"
24.Referred to Muslim women as looking like "bank robbers" and "post-boxes"
25.Blamed Hillsborough on Liverpool fans, then described the victims as "whingeing scousers"
26.Found to have broken the Ministerial Code by failing to declare income
27.Said Libya could be the new Dubai if "they clear the dead bodies away"
28.Recited racist colonial-era poem in Buddhist temple, and had to be stopped and castigated by the British Ambassador
29.At the World Islamic Economic Forum, said that Malaysian women only attended university in order to find husbands
30.Got a British Citizen, Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, jailed in Iran because he mistakenly called her a spy
31.Bought water cannon that are illegal to use in the UK at a cost of £333,000. They were sold for scrap, unused
32.Doubled rough-sleeping when he was Mayor of London
33.Spent £46m on a garden bridge that had absolutely zero construction done.0 -
The Tory launch is Thursday after Parliament dissolves on Wednesday.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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I've never heard her speak, but it's funny how female politicians are a minority and yet a big majority of complaints about the sound of a politician's voice are about female politicians.Anabobazina said:The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
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The Telegraph reported that Johnson spent last weekend at leisure in the New Forest with Carrie Symonds while Corbyn was campaigning,FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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Yep it's misogyny. Pure and simple.kamski said:
I've never heard her speak, but it's funny how female politicians are a minority and yet a big majority of complaints about the sound of a politician's voice are about female politicians.Anabobazina said:The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
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Ground game in the cold dark winter nights?TheScreamingEagles said:
Apparently the Tory campaign will be like 2015 with a highly focussed targeted social media campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
So whilst Labour do the ground game the Tories look a bit silent.
Fun game.0 -
The candidate in the lead is always unwilling to risk it with debates. It is a chance for the challenger but not for the leader.DecrepitJohnL said:
Boris probably is nervous of facing Swinson, or at least his handlers are, because of fears that a man with a woman problem will be seen as bullying a woman.Endillion said:After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
Of course that did backfire for May.
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Top 50
34.As Mayor of London, spent £500,000 on a cable-car - the most expensive ever built - that has an average of 4 daily users
35.Claimed he had introduced Oyster cards. They were introduced 5 years before he became Mayor
36.As Mayor, claimed he had made serious youth crime fall, when Met figures showed the opposite
37.Promised £350m a week for NHS (at time of writing, owes NHS £57.7 billion)
38.Had police called to his house during his actual job interview as PM
39.Refused to take part in any debates when campaigning to become PM
40.Said "fuck business" when presented with concerns about Brexit
41.Refuses to admit how many children he has
42.Broke the law by illegally proroguing parliament to shut down debate
43.Broke the record for the most parliamentary defeats in a day, then next day, broke it again
44.Has been accused of 2 acts of sexual harassment. Entirely coincidentally, he has said investigations into accusations of sexual harassment were "spaffing money up the wall"
45.Called himself The Hulk because he wanted to appear tough, then refused to take part in a press conference because he might be jeered at
46.Lied, on camera, about there being no press present when confronted by a distraught father in a hospital
47.Said, on camera, that claims of death threats against female PMs were "humbug"
48.Days later, said, on camera, that he had never said "humbug"
49.His own brother resigned rather than work with him
50.His own sister says he is "highly reprehensible"0 -
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
It dissolves tomorrowralphmalph said:
The Tory launch is Thursday after Parliament dissolves on Wednesday.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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You’re quite right.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.0 -
Free unicorns for under five’s a cure for cancer, free tv license for anybody over 18, a no deal/FTA agreement with the EU, no solution to dementia care unrestrained spending based on borrowing to support tax cuts without beneficial infrastructure investment, replacing the police that we cut, continuing to fail to build the houses that are needed ......HYUFD said:
State pension rise, end to benefits freeze, more money for the police announced etcGIN1138 said:
It has been a quiet start to the Con campaign. Hopefully they are currently focus grouping the crap out of the manifesto so there's no "dementia tax" clangers this time...FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
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You don't think Labour has a personality cult?Foxy said:
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.kle4 said:
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
"oh Jeremy Corbyn" - from this week0 -
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1190576786083418114?s=20Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
Hence the genius of the Tory campaign: let's "get Brexit done" because we're all bored and want to move on.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
Good job that no social media platform has banned political ads then........TheScreamingEagles said:
Apparently the Tory campaign will be like 2015 with a highly focussed targeted social media campaign.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
So whilst Labour do the ground game the Tories look a bit silent.0 -
All parties get behind their leader as the election gets near. The others do have other front benches on the news though, not just the leader.Floater said:
You don't think Labour has a personality cult?Foxy said:
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.kle4 said:
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
"oh Jeremy Corbyn" - from this week
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I have no problem with Jo v Boris v Jeremy
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE0 -
IanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?
Yes I stayed in a guest house whwer the journey from the bedroom to the en suite was worse than the Krypton Factor assault course. Most frightening night of my life (including my Tunisian shooting one)IanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?0 -
It does require having a personality....Floater said:
You don't think Labour has a personality cult?Foxy said:
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.kle4 said:
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?FrancisUrquhart said:Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
"oh Jeremy Corbyn" - from this week1 -
Yep. It's as mysterious to me as is antisemitism for example.Anabobazina said:The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
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Workington is very rural. Darlington and Grimsby certainly are not.HYUFD said:
Bishop Auckland, Grimsby, Vale of Clwyd, Penistone and Stockbridge, Gower, Wrexham, Weaver Vale, Rother Valley, Darlington, Ashfield etc seats the Tories could gain thanks to Labour voters going Brexit PartyIanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?0 -
ydoethur said:
You’re quite right.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
I loved the ban on private planes idea. That will gain lots of support, even if you throw your hands in the air in horror. Most amusing.
It's by far the most interesting election of my life thanks almost entirely to Labour. I mean ... wow ... it's seriously radical stuff. Makes Michael Foot look like a Blairite
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Farage should be there and any other party standing enough candidates to form a majority ty. Regional parties should be on regional TV simplesBig_G_NorthWales said:I have no problem with Jo v Boris v Jeremy
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE0 -
They are still strong Leave won by the Brexit Party in the European Parliament electionscamel said:
Workington is very rural. Darlington and Grimsby certainly are not.HYUFD said:
Bishop Auckland, Grimsby, Vale of Clwyd, Penistone and Stockbridge, Gower, Wrexham, Weaver Vale, Rother Valley, Darlington, Ashfield etc seats the Tories could gain thanks to Labour voters going Brexit PartyIanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?0 -
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1191435964662665221?s=20Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
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Just checked the news for the first time in 3 hours and surprised to see they're still voting in the Speakership election. Can't be long now.0
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Bet it doesn’t apply to him and McCluskey though.Mysticrose said:ydoethur said:
You’re quite right.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
I loved the ban on private planes idea. That will gain lots of support, even if you throw your hands in the air in horror. Most amusing.
It's by far the most interesting election of my life thanks almost entirely to Labour. I mean ... wow ... it's seriously radical stuff. Makes Michael Foot look like a Blairite0 -
Nigel isn't running. Neither is Nicola. If anyone takes part it should be Blackford and whomever the senior candidate is for the BXP.nichomar said:
Farage should be there and any other party standing enough candidates to form a majority ty. Regional parties should be on regional TV simplesBig_G_NorthWales said:I have no problem with Jo v Boris v Jeremy
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE0 -
So new hospitals, uprate education funding, 20,000 new police, end of austerity with inflation rises plus specific 3.9% rise in the pension, moratorium on fracking, investment in prisons with airport strength screening to keep out drugs, longer sentences, point style immigration system andmore to come in the manifestoMysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
40% of the public in yesterday's poll said brexit is their main concern, 60% in Wales0 -
Result due in next 15 mins.AndyJS said:Just checked the news for the first time in 3 hours and surprised to see they're still voting in the Speakership election. Can't be long now.
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A lot of people have probably visited the Lake District town of Cockermouth which is in the Workington constituency. I visited it on a school field-trip in 1996.IanB2 said:
Where else is “like Workington”?HYUFD said:
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the caseLuckyguy1983 said:
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.DavidL said:
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.Mysticrose said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191415158331056128?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20
Have you ever been there?0 -
Banning private jets the latest nonsenseydoethur said:
You’re quite right.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.0 -
That's an odd way of looking at it. Yes there are other things important for people, but if they were not 'fussed' about Brexit parliament would never have arrived at a complete impasse, because they would have faced less pressure to go into their extremist positions and refuse to compromise in the first place.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.0 -
That wa done of the ones I was thinking of that’s amusing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Banning private jets the latest nonsenseydoethur said:
You’re quite right.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.0 -
I completely agree. Just because something is unlikely doesn't make it impossible - Nicola Sturgeon can't be PM of the UK because the SNP isn't standing in East Ham or anywhere else in England I imagine.nichomar said:
Farage should be there and any other party standing enough candidates to form a majority. Regional parties should be on regional TV simplesBig_G_NorthWales said:I have no problem with Jo v Boris v Jeremy
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE
I suppose the flaw would be if a wealthy enough person got £326k and 326 willing volunteers or paid people to stand he or she would be entitled to a space at the leaders' debate but the relationship between democracy and money has always been complicated.
As I always say you can have as much democracy as you want or are willing to pay for.0 -
Ok replace farage with Tice but no need for SNP to be featured in debates where the have no candidates.Luckyguy1983 said:
Nigel isn't running. Neither is Nicola. If anyone takes part it should be Blackford and whomever the senior candidate is for the BXP.nichomar said:
Farage should be there and any other party standing enough candidates to form a majority ty. Regional parties should be on regional TV simplesBig_G_NorthWales said:I have no problem with Jo v Boris v Jeremy
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE0 -
Blackford is rather under-rated. Very quick on his feet, and I suspect he’d make mincemeat of Johnson and Corbyn.Luckyguy1983 said:
Nigel isn't running. Neither is Nicola. If anyone takes part it should be Blackford and whomever the senior candidate is for the BXP.nichomar said:
Farage should be there and any other party standing enough candidates to form a majority ty. Regional parties should be on regional TV simplesBig_G_NorthWales said:I have no problem with Jo v Boris v Jeremy
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE1 -
Result imminent.0
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I think people are actually bored by it, not fussed.kle4 said:
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
Bryant 213
Hoyle 3250 -
Lindsay Hoyle gets exactly 50% of the membership of the House.0
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Excellent news!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Bryant 213
Hoyle 3250 -
They're back0
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And my prediction was correct (see 1st post on this thread)
I should have put a fiver on....0 -
Convincing win for Hoyle, well done himAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Bryant 213
Hoyle 3250 -
There must be a sweet point for the Conservatives where the 2:1 ratio of Labour/Tory voters going LibDem delivers Labour seats before suffering crushing losses themselves to the LibDems. Anyone done any work on where that point is?HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1190576786083418114?s=20Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
I put a tenner on.Beibheirli_C said:And my prediction was correct (see 1st post on this thread)
I should have put a fiver on....0 -
Their actions beg to differ, which is why we are in the position we are, with such entrenched positions, which the public support.Mysticrose said:
I think people are actually bored by it, not fussed.kle4 said:
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.Mysticrose said:The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.0 -
RobD said:
Excellent news!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Bryant 213
Hoyle 325
The right decision.0
