The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Why? When only Farage is holding out for a “true” “real” Brexit, Bozo now having sold out to a worse deal from the E.U. even than Mrs M’s?
I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.
I don't speak for others, but I know that I won't change my view on PR just because I got a result I didn't like.
Rubbish. If ‘leave’ parties won more than 50% of the vote combined but the election returned a ‘remain’ parliament you’d be whining from high heaven.
On what do you base that view? Plenty of FPTP supporters might do so, but we cannot assume all would, particularly when they have always backed FPTP, even when it returned outcomes they very much did not like.
As a PR supporter we often see the opposite trend, where people suddenly get very passionately in support of PR right after an outcome such as you describe, but we cannot assume everyone who backs PR thinks that way, nor that every FPTP backer only thinks that because it currently benefits them.
I have a feeling that the right will lament our lack of Proportional Representation after this election.
Serves them right.
I don't speak for others, but I know that I won't change my view on PR just because I got a result I didn't like.
Rubbish. If ‘leave’ parties won more than 50% of the vote combined but the election returned a ‘remain’ party you’d be whining from high heaven.
No, I wouldn't.
As I said: rubbish.
I'm sorry, but I know myself better than you do. I would accept that because I accept that FPTP can lead to quirks like that. If parties can't win an overall majority with the rules as they are, they should fight harder to convince more people, rather than changing the rules to make it easier for them to win.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.
What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.
That poll was not promising for the the tories blue collar strategy really.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
I think the sight of the other candidates on the ballot paper will have most Brexit Party supporters returning to their original preferences when they are in the booth.
After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
I think its more to do with her being a ....
So another insightful fact based post from a labour blinkered voter
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
The campaign does not start officially until Wednesday when Boris launches the Tories campaign in the Midlands and Parliament is dissolved, though I was delivering Tory leaflets in Harlow on Saturday
After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
Because he won’t face her, she would wipe the floor with him
I wonder if what Churchill said of the Americans(*) applies to us on this side of the Atlantic
(*) "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
Seems that he may not have said such a thing. I didn't recognise the quote, so I looked it up.
He did say (or so it seems) something quite similar about democracy. That was a quote I knew, and it sort of surprised me that he'd say such a similar thing about the Americans.
I don't think we're even slightly adventurous in our forms of government, and probably not in much else either.
(Was trying to think if there's a country that has really explored a good many forms of government - Germany I guess, albeit that it was only in parts of Germany that they explored some things)
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
Wednesday is the Conservative's national launch, once Parliament has been formally dissolved.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
Bishop Auckland, Grimsby, Vale of Clwyd, Penistone and Stockbridge, Gower, Wrexham, Weaver Vale, Rother Valley, Darlington, Ashfield etc seats the Tories could gain thanks to Labour voters going Brexit Party
So after she withdrew herself Harriet Harman didn't endorse the only woman left standing who was herself an experienced Deputy Speaker? Her whole "it should be a woman" line was just self-serving bullshit to suit her own agenda and not a point of principle in gender politics? What about the cringeworthy #SpeakHer did she not really mean it?
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
It has been a quiet start to the Con campaign. Hopefully they are currently focus grouping the crap out of the manifesto so there's no "dementia tax" clangers this time...
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
Wednesday is the Conservative's national launch, once Parliament has been formally dissolved.
Great news! So the only way from there is downhill?
After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
Because he won’t face her, she would wipe the floor with him
Goodness, a response even less self-aware and more arrogant than my original comment.
OK - a full clear of all the browser cache (not just the PB bit) seems to have worked. It looks like the HTTP security directive is triggered when a copy is served from the browser cache.
Oh well. Now that that is sorted, back to the fun.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
The top 50 achievements of Boris Johnson, Prime Minister. 1.Invented lie about EU law on straight bananas 2.Invented lie about EU banning prawn cocktails 3.Invented lie about EU introducing mandatory smaller coffins 4.Invented lie about EU demanding plastic wrapping around kippers 5.Lied that 80 million people from Turkey would come to UK if we didn't leave EU 6.Sacked from The Times for inventing a quote then lying about having invented 7.Found guilty of misrepresenting facts by IPSO 8.Sacked from Tory front-bench for lying about an affair 9.Accused of misuse of public funds, because it appears he gave £126,000, for no valid reason, to a pole-dancer he boasted he was having an affair with 10.Recorded discussing a plot to break a journalist's ribs and give him "a couple of black eyes" in a conversation with his friend Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster 11.Referred to Commonwealth citizens as "picaninnies", racist term for black children 12.Described black people as having "watermelon smiles" 13.Forced by Telegraph to apologise for describing the people of Papua New Guinea as "cannibals" 14.Suggested reinstating British control over former colonies - essentially restarting The Empire 15.Campaigned to have a deal before we leave the EU, and to stay in the Single Market 16.… then sacked 21 of his own MPs, including the longest-serving MP and Winston Churchill's grandson, for voting to get a deal before we leave the EU and to stay in the Single Market
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
Know it well. The media have totally misrepresented it. Although called Workington it embraces a huge rural area full of sheep by the million and Tories by the thousand, as well as the Tory town of Cockermouth.
The top 50 achievements of Boris Johnson, Prime Minister. 1.Invented lie about EU law on straight bananas 2.Invented lie about EU banning prawn cocktails 3.Invented lie about EU introducing mandatory smaller coffins 4.Invented lie about EU demanding plastic wrapping around kippers 5.Lied that 80 million people from Turkey would come to UK if we didn't leave EU 6.Sacked from The Times for inventing a quote then lying about having invented 7.Found guilty of misrepresenting facts by IPSO 8.Sacked from Tory front-bench for lying about an affair 9.Accused of misuse of public funds, because it appears he gave £126,000, for no valid reason, to a pole-dancer he boasted he was having an affair with 10.Recorded discussing a plot to break a journalist's ribs and give him "a couple of black eyes" in a conversation with his friend Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster 11.Referred to Commonwealth citizens as "picaninnies", racist term for black children 12.Described black people as having "watermelon smiles" 13.Forced by Telegraph to apologise for describing the people of Papua New Guinea as "cannibals" 14.Suggested reinstating British control over former colonies - essentially restarting The Empire 15.Campaigned to have a deal before we leave the EU, and to stay in the Single Market 16.… then sacked 21 of his own MPs, including the longest-serving MP and Winston Churchill's grandson, for voting to get a deal before we leave the EU and to stay in the Single Market
After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
Boris probably is nervous of facing Swinson, or at least his handlers are, because of fears that a man with a woman problem will be seen as bullying a woman.
After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
Because he won’t face her, she would wipe the floor with him
That's something I find both unnerving and agreeable to visualize.
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
It has been a quiet start to the Con campaign. Hopefully they are currently focus grouping the crap out of the manifesto so there's no "dementia tax" clangers this time...
State pension rise, end to benefits freeze, more money for the police announced etc
Don’t really understand the grounds on which it’s been determined that Swinson is crap. Truth is she’s fundamentally untested as yet.
I think she’s right to make a fuss about the fact of her exclusion, but that exclusion should play well for her. What I think the debate is likely to show is how manifestly unfit both men are fit for the post of prime minister. The response of the audience is likely to be ‘gawd, there’s got to be some better alternative than those two ...’
Top 50 achievements of Johnson PM 17.Wrote insulting poem about the people of Turkey, then "apologised" to the President of Turkey by complimenting his washing machine 18.Questioned the repeal of the ban on producing information about homosexuality 19.Wrote an article scoring female delegates to the Labour Party conference on his "tottyometer" 20.Said "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts" 21.Described gay men as "bum-boys" 22.Said "Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction" 23.Said the UK must accept that "Islam is the problem" 24.Referred to Muslim women as looking like "bank robbers" and "post-boxes" 25.Blamed Hillsborough on Liverpool fans, then described the victims as "whingeing scousers" 26.Found to have broken the Ministerial Code by failing to declare income 27.Said Libya could be the new Dubai if "they clear the dead bodies away" 28.Recited racist colonial-era poem in Buddhist temple, and had to be stopped and castigated by the British Ambassador 29.At the World Islamic Economic Forum, said that Malaysian women only attended university in order to find husbands 30.Got a British Citizen, Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, jailed in Iran because he mistakenly called her a spy 31.Bought water cannon that are illegal to use in the UK at a cost of £333,000. They were sold for scrap, unused 32.Doubled rough-sleeping when he was Mayor of London 33.Spent £46m on a garden bridge that had absolutely zero construction done.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
I've never heard her speak, but it's funny how female politicians are a minority and yet a big majority of complaints about the sound of a politician's voice are about female politicians.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
I've never heard her speak, but it's funny how female politicians are a minority and yet a big majority of complaints about the sound of a politician's voice are about female politicians.
After weeks getting excited over how crap Swinson is, I've now concluded she's actually too crap to do her job, which is to split the Remain vote and gift Johnson his landslide.
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
Boris probably is nervous of facing Swinson, or at least his handlers are, because of fears that a man with a woman problem will be seen as bullying a woman.
The candidate in the lead is always unwilling to risk it with debates. It is a chance for the challenger but not for the leader.
Top 50 34.As Mayor of London, spent £500,000 on a cable-car - the most expensive ever built - that has an average of 4 daily users 35.Claimed he had introduced Oyster cards. They were introduced 5 years before he became Mayor 36.As Mayor, claimed he had made serious youth crime fall, when Met figures showed the opposite 37.Promised £350m a week for NHS (at time of writing, owes NHS £57.7 billion) 38.Had police called to his house during his actual job interview as PM 39.Refused to take part in any debates when campaigning to become PM 40.Said "fuck business" when presented with concerns about Brexit 41.Refuses to admit how many children he has 42.Broke the law by illegally proroguing parliament to shut down debate 43.Broke the record for the most parliamentary defeats in a day, then next day, broke it again 44.Has been accused of 2 acts of sexual harassment. Entirely coincidentally, he has said investigations into accusations of sexual harassment were "spaffing money up the wall" 45.Called himself The Hulk because he wanted to appear tough, then refused to take part in a press conference because he might be jeered at 46.Lied, on camera, about there being no press present when confronted by a distraught father in a hospital 47.Said, on camera, that claims of death threats against female PMs were "humbug" 48.Days later, said, on camera, that he had never said "humbug" 49.His own brother resigned rather than work with him 50.His own sister says he is "highly reprehensible"
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
You’re quite right.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
It has been a quiet start to the Con campaign. Hopefully they are currently focus grouping the crap out of the manifesto so there's no "dementia tax" clangers this time...
State pension rise, end to benefits freeze, more money for the police announced etc
Free unicorns for under five’s a cure for cancer, free tv license for anybody over 18, a no deal/FTA agreement with the EU, no solution to dementia care unrestrained spending based on borrowing to support tax cuts without beneficial infrastructure investment, replacing the police that we cut, continuing to fail to build the houses that are needed ......
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
Hence the genius of the Tory campaign: let's "get Brexit done" because we're all bored and want to move on.
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.
You don't think Labour has a personality cult?
"oh Jeremy Corbyn" - from this week
All parties get behind their leader as the election gets near. The others do have other front benches on the news though, not just the leader.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
Yes I stayed in a guest house whwer the journey from the bedroom to the en suite was worse than the Krypton Factor assault course. Most frightening night of my life (including my Tunisian shooting one)
Are the tories going to bother campaigning this time, cos so far its all very quiet.
blueblue was saying the same on the last thread. Granted it is very early so far, but they don't seem to have gotten going yet, it's been about the LDs wanting to be in the debates, Labour with a few eye catching spends, and Farage deciding he'd rather see Brexit dead than be sub par. When do the Tories really kick off?
I think the Tories will go with the cult of personality again, with none of the frong bench on show. To be fair, they are a bunch of numpties unlikely to impress. I suspect that Lab will go for a broader public face. John McDonnell in particular is good on TV. The LDs too, with Layla, Ed Davey and Chuka being prominent, and all good media performers.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
Bishop Auckland, Grimsby, Vale of Clwyd, Penistone and Stockbridge, Gower, Wrexham, Weaver Vale, Rother Valley, Darlington, Ashfield etc seats the Tories could gain thanks to Labour voters going Brexit Party
Workington is very rural. Darlington and Grimsby certainly are not.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
You’re quite right.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
I loved the ban on private planes idea. That will gain lots of support, even if you throw your hands in the air in horror. Most amusing.
It's by far the most interesting election of my life thanks almost entirely to Labour. I mean ... wow ... it's seriously radical stuff. Makes Michael Foot look like a Blairite
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
Bishop Auckland, Grimsby, Vale of Clwyd, Penistone and Stockbridge, Gower, Wrexham, Weaver Vale, Rother Valley, Darlington, Ashfield etc seats the Tories could gain thanks to Labour voters going Brexit Party
Workington is very rural. Darlington and Grimsby certainly are not.
They are still strong Leave won by the Brexit Party in the European Parliament elections
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
You’re quite right.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
I loved the ban on private planes idea. That will gain lots of support, even if you throw your hands in the air in horror. Most amusing.
It's by far the most interesting election of my life thanks almost entirely to Labour. I mean ... wow ... it's seriously radical stuff. Makes Michael Foot look like a Blairite
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
So new hospitals, uprate education funding, 20,000 new police, end of austerity with inflation rises plus specific 3.9% rise in the pension, moratorium on fracking, investment in prisons with airport strength screening to keep out drugs, longer sentences, point style immigration system andmore to come in the manifesto
40% of the public in yesterday's poll said brexit is their main concern, 60% in Wales
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
A lot of people have probably visited the Lake District town of Cockermouth which is in the Workington constituency. I visited it on a school field-trip in 1996.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
You’re quite right.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
That's an odd way of looking at it. Yes there are other things important for people, but if they were not 'fussed' about Brexit parliament would never have arrived at a complete impasse, because they would have faced less pressure to go into their extremist positions and refuse to compromise in the first place.
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
You’re quite right.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
Banning private jets the latest nonsense
That wa done of the ones I was thinking of that’s amusing.
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE
Farage should be there and any other party standing enough candidates to form a majority. Regional parties should be on regional TV simples
I completely agree. Just because something is unlikely doesn't make it impossible - Nicola Sturgeon can't be PM of the UK because the SNP isn't standing in East Ham or anywhere else in England I imagine.
I suppose the flaw would be if a wealthy enough person got £326k and 326 willing volunteers or paid people to stand he or she would be entitled to a space at the leaders' debate but the relationship between democracy and money has always been complicated.
As I always say you can have as much democracy as you want or are willing to pay for.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.
I think people are actually bored by it, not fussed.
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
There must be a sweet point for the Conservatives where the 2:1 ratio of Labour/Tory voters going LibDem delivers Labour seats before suffering crushing losses themselves to the LibDems. Anyone done any work on where that point is?
The reason the Tories are quiet is that they don't have any ideas.
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.
I think people are actually bored by it, not fussed.
Their actions beg to differ, which is why we are in the position we are, with such entrenched positions, which the public support.
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As a PR supporter we often see the opposite trend, where people suddenly get very passionately in support of PR right after an outcome such as you describe, but we cannot assume everyone who backs PR thinks that way, nor that every FPTP backer only thinks that because it currently benefits them.
Have you ever been there?
I don't think it's enough to just say someone is a liar. What makes you reasonably think he is lying?
I'm therefore in two minds over the debates: is it better she does them and has a chance of getting some notes back due to exposure, or will this simply throw her crapness into sharp relief, exacerbating the problem?
FWIW I doubt Johnson is trembling in his boots at the thought of facing her.
He did say (or so it seems) something quite similar about democracy. That was a quote I knew, and it sort of surprised me that he'd say such a similar thing about the Americans.
I don't think we're even slightly adventurous in our forms of government, and probably not in much else either.
(Was trying to think if there's a country that has really explored a good many forms of government - Germany I guess, albeit that it was only in parts of Germany that they explored some things)
So whilst Labour do the ground game the Tories look a bit silent.
Colour me shocked! Absolutely shocked!
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Understand Boris is to launch his campaign in the midlands later this week
Good move staying away from London
Oh well. Now that that is sorted, back to the fun.
Workington should sue.
1.Invented lie about EU law on straight bananas
2.Invented lie about EU banning prawn cocktails
3.Invented lie about EU introducing mandatory smaller coffins
4.Invented lie about EU demanding plastic wrapping around kippers
5.Lied that 80 million people from Turkey would come to UK if we didn't leave EU
6.Sacked from The Times for inventing a quote then lying about having invented
7.Found guilty of misrepresenting facts by IPSO
8.Sacked from Tory front-bench for lying about an affair
9.Accused of misuse of public funds, because it appears he gave £126,000, for no valid reason, to a pole-dancer he boasted he was having an affair with
10.Recorded discussing a plot to break a journalist's ribs and give him "a couple of black eyes" in a conversation with his friend Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster
11.Referred to Commonwealth citizens as "picaninnies", racist term for black children
12.Described black people as having "watermelon smiles"
13.Forced by Telegraph to apologise for describing the people of Papua New Guinea as "cannibals"
14.Suggested reinstating British control over former colonies - essentially restarting The Empire
15.Campaigned to have a deal before we leave the EU, and to stay in the Single Market
16.… then sacked 21 of his own MPs, including the longest-serving MP and Winston Churchill's grandson, for voting to get a deal before we leave the EU and to stay in the Single Market
Ah ha!!
You are Dianne Abbot and I claim my £5,000
I think she’s right to make a fuss about the fact of her exclusion, but that exclusion should play well for her. What I think the debate is likely to show is how manifestly unfit both men are fit for the post of prime minister. The response of the audience is likely to be ‘gawd, there’s got to be some better alternative than those two ...’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUI5A1Gd5D0
17.Wrote insulting poem about the people of Turkey, then "apologised" to the President of Turkey by complimenting his washing machine
18.Questioned the repeal of the ban on producing information about homosexuality
19.Wrote an article scoring female delegates to the Labour Party conference on his "tottyometer"
20.Said "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts"
21.Described gay men as "bum-boys"
22.Said "Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction"
23.Said the UK must accept that "Islam is the problem"
24.Referred to Muslim women as looking like "bank robbers" and "post-boxes"
25.Blamed Hillsborough on Liverpool fans, then described the victims as "whingeing scousers"
26.Found to have broken the Ministerial Code by failing to declare income
27.Said Libya could be the new Dubai if "they clear the dead bodies away"
28.Recited racist colonial-era poem in Buddhist temple, and had to be stopped and castigated by the British Ambassador
29.At the World Islamic Economic Forum, said that Malaysian women only attended university in order to find husbands
30.Got a British Citizen, Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, jailed in Iran because he mistakenly called her a spy
31.Bought water cannon that are illegal to use in the UK at a cost of £333,000. They were sold for scrap, unused
32.Doubled rough-sleeping when he was Mayor of London
33.Spent £46m on a garden bridge that had absolutely zero construction done.
Fun game.
Of course that did backfire for May.
34.As Mayor of London, spent £500,000 on a cable-car - the most expensive ever built - that has an average of 4 daily users
35.Claimed he had introduced Oyster cards. They were introduced 5 years before he became Mayor
36.As Mayor, claimed he had made serious youth crime fall, when Met figures showed the opposite
37.Promised £350m a week for NHS (at time of writing, owes NHS £57.7 billion)
38.Had police called to his house during his actual job interview as PM
39.Refused to take part in any debates when campaigning to become PM
40.Said "fuck business" when presented with concerns about Brexit
41.Refuses to admit how many children he has
42.Broke the law by illegally proroguing parliament to shut down debate
43.Broke the record for the most parliamentary defeats in a day, then next day, broke it again
44.Has been accused of 2 acts of sexual harassment. Entirely coincidentally, he has said investigations into accusations of sexual harassment were "spaffing money up the wall"
45.Called himself The Hulk because he wanted to appear tough, then refused to take part in a press conference because he might be jeered at
46.Lied, on camera, about there being no press present when confronted by a distraught father in a hospital
47.Said, on camera, that claims of death threats against female PMs were "humbug"
48.Days later, said, on camera, that he had never said "humbug"
49.His own brother resigned rather than work with him
50.His own sister says he is "highly reprehensible"
I'm serious. After 9 years they have run out of ideas. They are obsessed by one thing and one thing only, which 75% of the electorate aren't as fussed about as they are a range of other things in their lives.
But nobody else has any ideas either.
Other than Corbyn whose ideas veer from the mad to the disastrous via the merely amusing.
"oh Jeremy Corbyn" - from this week
But now I understand Nicola, Nigel and others are demanding they are also included
This needs to be put before a commission but it is too late for this GE
I loved the ban on private planes idea. That will gain lots of support, even if you throw your hands in the air in horror. Most amusing.
It's by far the most interesting election of my life thanks almost entirely to Labour. I mean ... wow ... it's seriously radical stuff. Makes Michael Foot look like a Blairite
40% of the public in yesterday's poll said brexit is their main concern, 60% in Wales
People are very much fussed about it, even if other things are also important.
I suppose the flaw would be if a wealthy enough person got £326k and 326 willing volunteers or paid people to stand he or she would be entitled to a space at the leaders' debate but the relationship between democracy and money has always been complicated.
As I always say you can have as much democracy as you want or are willing to pay for.
Hoyle 325
I should have put a fiver on....
All the most convincing mandates are 52%.
The right decision.