never mind the girl guide leader from Bearsden and her screeching like Violet Elizabeth, what about the poll just released in Wales which if followed through at the GE would see the Tories take lovely Labour seats the length of the Principality
I don’t remember much about Alan Williams’ performance when Bercow was elected. I do remember the dismal performance of Heath when Martin was shoehorned in in the most blatant stitch up since Richard III appointed his private solicitor as Speaker, er, elected.
I have to say I think that from what I have seen that Clarke is doing a magnificent job in presiding over this debate. A sad thought it is his last act as an MP, but what a fitting way to end.
Perhaps one political career that will not end in failure?
I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.
Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
It's a fake account.
How is anyone supposed to know?
Worrying how many PB’ers are willing to repost a tweet without even taking a second to look. This is a long campaign, guys, and really we can do better than this.
Sorry - I take things at face value. If I researched and verified everything first I would never get anything done.
If in the modern world, you take things at face value, politics is very low on the list of things you should be spending your time worrying about.
I do not worry about politics.
Then you have time to worry about not spamming crap into this forum.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
As a Lib Dem activist I'm finding it both interesting and encouraging. Clearly the other parties wouldn't be instructing their keyboard armies to rubbish her if they weren't worried about her.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.
What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.
That poll was not promising for the the tories blue collar strategy really.
I disagree. If that poll is accurate then the Tories are already looking at perhaps gaining a quarter or a third of the seats they need to secure a working majority just from the Welsh gains.
I suspect Johnson would be delighted with that outcome.
6 weeks is a long time in politics especially when the Tories are starting high, have little left to gain and a lot to lose.
I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.
Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
It's a fake account.
How is anyone supposed to know?
It does say in the bio, apologies I should have said.
I don’t remember much about Alan Williams’ performance when Bercow was elected. I do remember the dismal performance of Heath when Martin was shoehorned in in the most blatant stitch up since Richard III appointed his private solicitor as Speaker, er, elected.
I have to say I think that from what I have seen that Clarke is doing a magnificent job in presiding over this debate. A sad thought it is his last act as an MP, but what a fitting way to end.
Perhaps one political career that will not end in failure?
It already has. He never became Tory leader or PM.
There is a case to be made that he was not the right person to hold either role at the time he should have done, in about 1995-98. But when you consider who we have now...
Is this the third or fourth thread arguing that Swinson should be given prime time billing despite representing a marginally important party with only a few MPs elected last time?
A Tory supporter in favour of skewing the odds against one of their opponents. I'm shocked!
Broadly, I support the smaller parties being in the TV debates .... although as usual it seems the LibDems want all the other smaller parties to stand down, so it is only them & Tory & Labour.
I don't imagine a TV debate with all of the parties will be very insightful, but there should be some good comedy if the gang's all there.
I don't possess, and never watch, TV.
In 2015 there was one Cameron and Miliband debate, 2 multiparty leader debates and one Cameron, Miliband and Clegg debate.
In 2010 all the debates were Cameron, Brown and Clegg
The 2015 Cameron Miliband one wasn't a debate, but grilling from Paxman, likewise the final debate was separate question time sessions from the audience. One of the leaders debates was a "challengers debate" and excluded Cameron and Clegg for some reason. Too many different formats.
The 2010 debates were good, a shame the narrative caught on that they "sucked up the energy of the campaign". In those debates we actually did learn quite a bit from each party and they were taken seriously. 2015 was ok and 2017 a complete waste of time.
A head to head between Corbyn and Johnson will make for much better viewing than another 7 way debate. There should probably be a multiparty one too but I imagine it would be skipped by Johnson.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
As a Lib Dem activist I'm finding it both interesting and encouraging. Clearly the other parties wouldn't be instructing their keyboard armies to rubbish her if they weren't worried about her.
The difficulty is that at present most people see the views of those that they don't agree with on Brexit to be lunacy, or worse. This is mainly because all the parties have totally indefensible positions, but also entirely sensible (in a certain light) positions.
Stick into the mix the Independence argument from the SNP, which again has problems on all sides for in terms of sense, and you get where we are now.
All this boils down to the worrying situation where a true loon... I'd suggest Corbyn, but you can choose your loon-of-the-moment can hide in plain sight.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
It is a very good poll for the Tories -- realistically, the only other two seats in Wales they could ever possibly win are Ynys Mon & Newport East. Ynys Mon does change hands on the poll & I think the Tories can't be far behind Plaid Cymru.
The Tories are never going to win the Valleys seats, they are (probably) never going to win the Welsh speaking heartlands.
I think it would be unwise to argue from this Welsh poll (where the Tories are close to maxed out) that they can't increase extra vote share elsewhere in the UK (e.g. in the West Midlands).
I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.
Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
It's a fake account.
How is anyone supposed to know?
It does say in the bio, apologies I should have said.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
Ian I don’t think it’s is that they can not cope with their duopoly being challenged because they need each other. It has always been the liberal/ lib dem leader who has been at the front of so called satire. From Norman Scott’s dog to shrill shouty Jo it’s their best attack line. Yes all politicians are victims but it is in both their best interests to turn their guns onus.
Why delete it? It lets everyone know how unpleasant he is.
Because accusing somebody of being a paedophile is undoubtedly libellous. Especially since it was clearly motivated by malice and with the deliberate intent to smear in response to a critical (admittedly rather unwise) post.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
May i remind everyone that this is the person who would only abide by a referendum result if it corresponded with her view. She should be given the same treatment as all other politicians who treat the public with contempt.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
May i remind everyone that this is the person who would only abide by a referendum result if it corresponded with her view. She should be given the same treatment as all other politicians who treat the public with contempt.
Can you name five politicians in serious positions that haven’t treated the public with contempt?
I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.
Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
It's a fake account.
How is anyone supposed to know?
It does say in the bio, apologies I should have said.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is fact she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is OPINION she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is OPINION she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
Fact or OPINION?
You thickie
Fact for me you cretinous half witted moron. Back under your rock where you belong.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is fact she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
Yet another post from north of the border that adds significant insight and analysis into the debate.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
No loathing on my part. Just a political critique. Mainly orientated on her playing the gender card over and over again. And I think her star is on the wane.
Also, why is she a “Tory”? Yes, she’s attracted some Conservative defectors. Other than that I can’t think of a single Conservative thing about her.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
May i remind everyone that this is the person who would only abide by a referendum result if it corresponded with her view. She should be given the same treatment as all other politicians who treat the public with contempt.
Can you name five politicians in serious positions that haven’t treated the public with contempt?
Boris Johnson David Cameron George Osborne Michael Gove
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
I wonder if Sir lindsey is getting Tory votes because of his rejection of the votes for EU citzs and for 16/17 year olds last week. Looks like a smart move by him.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
May i remind everyone that this is the person who would only abide by a referendum result if it corresponded with her view. She should be given the same treatment as all other politicians who treat the public with contempt.
Can you name five politicians in serious positions that haven’t treated the public with contempt?
Boris Johnson David Cameron George Osborne Michael Gove
And to pick a Liberal: John Howard
I think Osborne did with his punishment budget. nobody believed he would ever do it.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
May i remind everyone that this is the person who would only abide by a referendum result if it corresponded with her view. She should be given the same treatment as all other politicians who treat the public with contempt.
Can you name five politicians in serious positions that haven’t treated the public with contempt?
Boris Johnson David Cameron George Osborne Michael Gove
And to pick a Liberal: John Howard
I’ll give you Osborne but will say Steve Webb David Heath Norman lamb to an extent ashdown and Kennedy Campbell , as for Johnson that is a ludicrous suggstion
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.
From where else are they going to get extra vote share?
If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
The Tory gains in that Welsh poll alone would get the Tories close to a majority, let alone with gains in the North, the Midlands and London from Labour too
Farage has said he will not stand candidates against conservatives signing the pledge as under
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is fact she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
Yet another post from north of the border that adds significant insight and analysis into the debate.
Short , sharp and to the point, you cannot ask for any better. Can you imagine any good points about her.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is fact she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
Yet another post from north of the border that adds significant insight and analysis into the debate.
Short , sharp and to the point, you cannot ask for any better. Can you imagine any good points about her.
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is OPINION she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
Fact or OPINION?
You thickie
Fact for me you cretinous half witted moron. Back under your rock where you belong.
Whereas you can only dream and aspire to being under a rock of your own?
The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
If it was that, I’d be relatively reassured. LibDems have always attracted disproportionate flak from the old parties because they are the only real threat to their cosy two-party cartel (aka political stitch up).
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
It is fact she is crap and economical with the truth. A dogmatic toerag.
Yet another post from north of the border that adds significant insight and analysis into the debate.
Short , sharp and to the point, you cannot ask for any better. Can you imagine any good points about her.
Simple she is not sturgeon Johnson or corbyn you don’t need any more info
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
What the Tories lead over both Labour and the LDs increased with ICM today and the Labour lead in Wales slashed from 16% in 2017 to just 1% today with Yougov?
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
You're assuming that the 15% or so who are likely to vote TBP are swayed by logic.
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
The (stop) Brexit Party doing some serious damage there. Will that happen in reality? I have my doubts.
Me too. If it isn't clear yet that a vote for TBP makes Brexit less likely in most cases, it will certainly be made abundantly so over the coming weeks.
Farage said today Cameron only got a majority in 2015 due to UKIP taking Labour votes, in areas like Workington that is still the case
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https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1191386134468804609
But I fear that the fact that she is a younger female politician does have something to do with it.
There is a case to be made that he was not the right person to hold either role at the time he should have done, in about 1995-98. But when you consider who we have now...
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2572454/#Comment_2572454
A Tory supporter in favour of skewing the odds against one of their opponents. I'm shocked!
The 2010 debates were good, a shame the narrative caught on that they "sucked up the energy of the campaign". In those debates we actually did learn quite a bit from each party and they were taken seriously. 2015 was ok and 2017 a complete waste of time.
A head to head between Corbyn and Johnson will make for much better viewing than another 7 way debate. There should probably be a multiparty one too but I imagine it would be skipped by Johnson.
Stick into the mix the Independence argument from the SNP, which again has problems on all sides for in terms of sense, and you get where we are now.
All this boils down to the worrying situation where a true loon... I'd suggest Corbyn, but you can choose your loon-of-the-moment can hide in plain sight.
The Tories are never going to win the Valleys seats, they are (probably) never going to win the Welsh speaking heartlands.
I think it would be unwise to argue from this Welsh poll (where the Tories are close to maxed out) that they can't increase extra vote share elsewhere in the UK (e.g. in the West Midlands).
She should be given the same treatment as all other politicians who treat the public with contempt.
You thickie
Also, why is she a “Tory”? Yes, she’s attracted some Conservative defectors. Other than that I can’t think of a single Conservative thing about her.
David Cameron
George Osborne
Michael Gove
And to pick a Liberal: John Howard
Thank you to @BillCashMP for underlining, once more, his #StandUp4Brexit commitment.
✔️ #BackBoris’ deal to #GetBrexitDone
✔️ Back ‘no deal’ if the WA hasn’t been passed by 31st January https://t.co/UWvL7KkKFp
Such is the perverse moronic reasoning of politics these days.
No, it couldn’t. It will be Hoyle. The vast majority of Laing’s votes will go to him.
Bryant is wasting everyone’s time.
Some MPs aren’t happy.
Well done Eleanor too on a credible performance
Weird
A Lancastrian is the sensible choice.
But Firefox has now stopped working.
I swapped to Firefox some weeks ago because Chrome stopped working!!!
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1191412011311288320?s=20
I wonder if HYUFD's confidence is just a touch dented today?
Eerily reminiscent of 2017. I could be wrong and everyone decides Johnson is Dionysus reborn whilst Corbyn is Daemon.
Or, as I think most likely, people are starting to focus on what really matters in their lives. Clue: the answers don't begin with B and end in T.
Tomatoes And lettuce spoil a good bacon sarnie.
Just as pb.com yet again backs the wrong of horse by saying of course our future PM Swinson must be in the debates.....
Serves them right.
(*) "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1190402686828580865?s=20