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Further to this morning’s thread on the exclusion of LD leader Jo Swinson from the ITV General Election debate there’s now a YouGov poll carried out today that points to her desire to be there getting support from the public.

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  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited November 2019
    1st - like Lindsay Hoyle
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    Another election, another tedious argument about the tedious debates. They should have some set rules for this, or just abandon them completely.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,905
    Where did Jo Swinson graduate from? The Fake Accent University?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    houndtang said:

    Another election, another tedious argument about the tedious debates. They should have some set rules for this, or just abandon them completely.

    They do - it is called the Fixed Term Parliament Act and everybody seems to hate it
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Where did Jo Swinson graduate from? The Fake Accent University?

    No, she was at the LSE not Oxford.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    Good to see pb.com has no agenda here. No sirreeee......
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    houndtang said:

    Another election, another tedious argument about the tedious debates. They should have some set rules for this, or just abandon them completely.

    Patience, and let evolution do its thing. Boris has made serious inroads into the problem by Just Saying Yes to a Corbyn debate, and deserves credit for it.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.

    I just hope he is peaking early
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited November 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.

    Lowering the standards as ever TSE
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    I reckon at some point during the campaign there will be a poll with Labour ahead of the Tories.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    MarqueeMark said:

    Good to see pb.com has no agenda here. No sirreeee......

    LOL - subtle isn't it
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,572
    houndtang said:

    Another election, another tedious argument about the tedious debates. They should have some set rules for this, or just abandon them completely.

    If you use the US presidential election debates as an example they took 16 years between the first set of debates (between Kennedy and Nixon) and the next (ford Carter). There have been a number of formats over the years but the current format (of three debates) only settled down in 2000.

    We are a long way from deciding the best formats for the debates and it's a more complex election. At some point a set of agreed ground rules will be set, but not for some time.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    To be fair the only two remotely interesting TV leadership debates in this country have included the Lib Dems (I agree with Nick and Clegg vs. Farage)
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    Floater said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Good to see pb.com has no agenda here. No sirreeee......

    LOL - subtle isn't it
    As a turd in a punchbowl.....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    LOL
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,537
    tlg86 said:

    I reckon at some point during the campaign there will be a poll with Labour ahead of the Tories.

    There has to be atleast one! 😂
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,905
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    Jo Swinson is going to be allowed to appear in the Sky debate, which no one will watch! :D
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,905
    nunu2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    I reckon at some point during the campaign there will be a poll with Labour ahead of the Tories.

    There has to be atleast one! 😂
    Then we can all head here to witness the utter meltdown - 'IT'S AN OUTLIER' etc etc.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,572
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    on that argument you could say Farage should be included (TBP standing in 600ish seats).
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Where did Jo Swinson graduate from? The Fake Accent University?

    I have to turn down the volume on my TV whenever Swinson is on. Her shrieking, fake accent is so annoying.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    Ha! :D
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    Well, it might be a bit huffy but it is at least correct. There is a scenario - unlikely but by no means impossible - by which she becomes PM, even if only temporarily. There is no plausible scenario in which Sturgeon becomes PM.

    So the interview was wrong, and presumably just being provocative.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,379
    MarqueeMark said:

    Good to see pb.com has no agenda here. No sirreeee......

    If you want a different editorial position, perhaps you should set up your own political betting website?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,194
    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.

    Lowering the standards as ever TSE
    By TSE standards, that's prim and proper.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,905
    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    Well, the word 'Parody' in the bio is sometimes a clue.

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    The blue tick. I assume most/all journalists have one.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Beibheirli_C said:

    1st - like Lindsay Hoyle

    Seems an odd thread header when we are betting in running on the new Speaker.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Completely off topic but looking for advice. If a gift my children a property would they have tp pay CGT when they sold it and on what basis?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    GIN1138 said:

    Jo Swinson is going to be allowed to appear in the Sky debate, which no one will watch! :D

    Are they allowing Farage too?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.

    You might welcome the novelty at least
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,379
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.

    How about the image of Johnson giving someone a sizable cyber-skills endowment?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    RobD said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    The blue tick. I assume most/all journalists have one.
    No blue tick and also the word parody in the blurb.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    If Hoyle is elected, will other parties stand down in his constituency?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,379
    Stereotomy said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    A good demonstration of why Corbyn and Johnson should welcome a debate swith Swinson
    Why is a tweet from a fake/"parody" journalist's account a good demonstration of anything?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,194
    Charles said:

    Is this the third or fourth thread arguing that Swinson should be given prime time billing despite representing a marginally important party with only a few MPs elected last time?

    She would probably take more Labour than Tory votes so include her I say
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    RobD said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    The blue tick. I assume most/all journalists have one.
    No blue tick and also the word parody in the blurb.
    Some make it too easy.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    Floater said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    LOL
    It’s a parody account, the interview didn’t happen.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    Charles said:

    Is this the third or fourth thread arguing that Swinson should be given prime time billing despite representing a marginally important party with only a few MPs elected last time?

    LOL! :D
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    spudgfsh said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    on that argument you could say Farage should be included (TBP standing in 600ish seats).
    And you'd have a point. Common sense weighs against it though. He might in theory be able to become PM (unlike Sturgeon) but as the chances of TBP winning even a single seat are small, you kind of feel it's stretching it a bit.

    Also, his 'Party' has one policy only, and everyone knows what it is, so what is there to debate?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,194
    RobD said:

    If Hoyle is elected, will other parties stand down in his constituency?

    The Tories and LDs will stand down for him but the Brexit Party will put up a candidate against him still
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Broadly, I support the smaller parties being in the TV debates .... although as usual it seems the LibDems want all the other smaller parties to stand down, so it is only them & Tory & Labour.

    I don't imagine a TV debate with all of the parties will be very insightful, but there should be some good comedy if the gang's all there.

    I don't possess, and never watch, TV.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    IanB2 said:

    Floater said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    LOL
    It’s a parody account, the interview didn’t happen.
    Whoops.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,572
    There are ways you could set ground rules for a set of debates. (numbers are ballpark)
    1) A debate between any party leader with > 100 seats currently in parliament (Viable PM debate)
    2) A debate between any party leader standing candidates in > 500 seats (potentially viable PM debate)
    3) A debate between any party with seats currently in parliament (Current Parties debate)
    4) by country debates (england/scotland/wales/NI)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,194
    YBarddCwsc said:


    Broadly, I support the smaller parties being in the TV debates .... although as usual it seems the LibDems want all the other smaller parties to stand down, so it is only them & Tory & Labour.

    I don't imagine a TV debate with all of the parties will be very insightful, but there should be some good comedy if the gang's all there.

    I don't possess, and never watch, TV.

    In 2015 there was one Cameron and Miliband debate, 2 multiparty leader debates and one Cameron, Miliband and Clegg debate.

    In 2010 all the debates were Cameron, Brown and Clegg
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    Worrying how many PB’ers are willing to repost a tweet without even taking a second to look. This is a long campaign, guys, and really we can do better than this.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    Stereotomy said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    A good demonstration of why Corbyn and Johnson should welcome a debate swith Swinson
    Why is a tweet from a fake/"parody" journalist's account a good demonstration of anything?
    See my subsequent comment.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,379
    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    Well, it might be a bit huffy but it is at least correct. There is a scenario - unlikely but by no means impossible - by which she becomes PM, even if only temporarily. There is no plausible scenario in which Sturgeon becomes PM.

    So the interview was wrong, and presumably just being provocative.
    most amusingly, by that logic Corbyn should not be allowed in any debates either.

    Maybe I should tweet that to whatever fat cat Socialist stooge is behind the account...
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,572
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Anabobazina said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1191402801802469376?s=20

    Well the campaign has notionally begun, so it's worth taking a casual glance at the early polls – and we begin with a 7pt Tory lead. Labour with plenty of work to do.
    To win, yes. To prevent the Tories winning? Much easier job. Agreement on a referendum will come easy if the Tories are not largest party.

  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712
    Her gender is irrelevant
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    spudgfsh said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
    Worked last time - no one cared hed but said yes initially when he showed and May did not.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Johnson pulling out isn't an image I wanted.

    Lowering the standards as ever TSE
    Never trust a deputy .
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    spudgfsh said:

    There are ways you could set ground rules for a set of debates. (numbers are ballpark)
    1) A debate between any party leader with > 100 seats currently in parliament (Viable PM debate)
    2) A debate between any party leader standing candidates in > 500 seats (potentially viable PM debate)
    3) A debate between any party with seats currently in parliament (Current Parties debate)
    4) by country debates (england/scotland/wales/NI)

    It’s the way to go a party standing 600 candidates has put up £3 million in deposits and regardless of polls or track record could win.
    Those parties only standing in geographically defined regions should be on their local tv.

    Therefore mainstream debates would be five way but possibly six if OMRLP stood in 600 seats. To frame the election this far out as x v y is a disgrace and an affront to democract
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    It's Hoyle. So that's another nice winner I got from a piece on here. This place might look to the undiscerning eye like an Internet wormhole but it certainly isn't.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    edited November 2019
    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    Poor Byronic ;) ? But a victory for genuine male models.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,575
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    They are great at saying it is a UK vote when it suits them , but here we have a UK election and once again they exclude Scotland, the 3rd biggest party yet let in a party of losers who could only fill a minibus.
    Next time I see some fanny on here whining that it is a UK vote there will be fireworks. These barstewards would not recognise democracy if they fell over it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,857
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    Well, it might be a bit huffy but it is at least correct. There is a scenario - unlikely but by no means impossible - by which she becomes PM, even if only temporarily. There is no plausible scenario in which Sturgeon becomes PM.

    So the interview was wrong, and presumably just being provocative.
    “Jo” is starting to show her limitations.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    How much mercy will you have if we didn't know beforehand? :p
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712
    JS reminds me of Fraser Nelson

    Horrible
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    kle4 said:

    Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.

    What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,512
    I don’t remember much about Alan Williams’ performance when Bercow was elected. I do remember the dismal performance of Heath when Martin was shoehorned in in the most blatant stitch up since Richard III appointed his private solicitor as Speaker, er, elected.

    I have to say I think that from what I have seen that Clarke is doing a magnificent job in presiding over this debate. A sad thought it is his last act as an MP, but what a fitting way to end.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    IanB2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    Worrying how many PB’ers are willing to repost a tweet without even taking a second to look. This is a long campaign, guys, and really we can do better than this.
    No they can’t you'll get boom and Tory little helper from our pathetic armchair warriors at every opportunity.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,575
    RobD said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    How much mercy will you have if we didn't know beforehand? :p
    NO Mercy
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,572
    nichomar said:

    spudgfsh said:

    There are ways you could set ground rules for a set of debates. (numbers are ballpark)
    1) A debate between any party leader with > 100 seats currently in parliament (Viable PM debate)
    2) A debate between any party leader standing candidates in > 500 seats (potentially viable PM debate)
    3) A debate between any party with seats currently in parliament (Current Parties debate)
    4) by country debates (england/scotland/wales/NI)

    It’s the way to go a party standing 600 candidates has put up £3 million in deposits and regardless of polls or track record could win.
    Those parties only standing in geographically defined regions should be on their local tv.

    Therefore mainstream debates would be five way but possibly six if OMRLP stood in 600 seats. To frame the election this far out as x v y is a disgrace and an affront to democract
    It'd incentivise parties to stand candidates in more seats. The greens would have made a cut off of 450 in 2017.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Robert Colvile (@rcolvile)

    I bloody love BBC Parliament. 'If a new Speaker is chosen and then doesn't get elected, would they be the shortest-serving ever?' 'Well there was a guy who was chosen and then the Archbishop of Canterbury declared him a heretic the next day, but that was in 1395...'
    November 4, 2019

    https://twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1191384172897677312

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,575
    PeterMannion said:

    JS reminds me of Fraser Nelson

    Horrible

    Just as fake for sure.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    Fine by me!
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.

    What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.
    That poll was not promising for the the tories blue collar strategy really.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
    Worked last time - no one cared hed but said yes initially when he showed and May did not.
    Would Boris really be dumb enough to fall for the same trick May did?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,857
    I reckon the campaign might close with Labour only 3-4 points shy of the Tories.

    In a funny way, that narrative might be almost ideal for Boris.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    contrarian said:

    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.

    What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.
    That poll was not promising for the the tories blue collar strategy really.
    Link to the wales poll?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    This is a Brexit election, and there are four distinct positions on the matter:

    - no Brexit (LibDems/Remain Alliance)
    - Hard Brexit now (BXP)
    - Soft Brexit for now (Con)
    - Let’s have a think (Lab)

    There are also only four political parties who, in theory at least, can win this election with a majority. The same as above.

    Therefore you’d think the job of the broadcasters arranging these debates should be straightforward?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited November 2019
    IanB2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    Worrying how many PB’ers are willing to repost a tweet without even taking a second to look. This is a long campaign, guys, and really we can do better than this.
    Sorry - I take things at face value. If I researched and verified everything first I would never get anything done.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Stereotomy said:

    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
    Worked last time - no one cared hed but said yes initially when he showed and May did not.
    Would Boris really be dumb enough to fall for the same trick May did?
    He shouldnt be. But depending how the campaign goes he might have been exactly as dumb in thinking Wales/Northern seats would switch to the Rories en masse.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    Beibheirli_C said:

    IanB2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    Worrying how many PB’ers are willing to repost a tweet without even taking a second to look. This is a long campaign, guys, and really we can do better than this.
    Sorry - I take things at face value. If I researched and verified everything first I would never get anything done.
    If in the modern world, you take things at face value, politics is very low on the list of things you should be spending your time worrying about.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    Stereotomy said:

    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
    Worked last time - no one cared hed but said yes initially when he showed and May did not.
    Would Boris really be dumb enough to fall for the same trick May did?
    He shouldnt be. But depending how the campaign goes he might have been exactly as dumb in thinking Wales/Northern seats would switch to the Rories en masse.
    Are they the new Stewart party, the Rories?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    kle4 said:

    Stereotomy said:

    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
    Worked last time - no one cared hed but said yes initially when he showed and May did not.
    Would Boris really be dumb enough to fall for the same trick May did?
    He shouldnt be. But depending how the campaign goes he might have been exactly as dumb in thinking Wales/Northern seats would switch to the Rories en masse.
    Rory has friends ??
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,572
    IanB2 said:

    This is a Brexit election, and there are four distinct positions on the matter:

    - no Brexit (LibDems/Remain Alliance)
    - Hard Brexit now (BXP)
    - Soft Brexit for now (Con)
    - Let’s have a think (Lab)

    There are also only four political parties who, in theory at least, can win this election with a majority. The same as above.

    Therefore you’d think the job of the broadcasters arranging these debates should be straightforward?

    The greens put up enough candidates in 2017 to theoretically win a majority (457)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    nichomar said:

    kle4 said:

    Stereotomy said:

    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    HYUFD said:

    There will be multiparty leaders debates from Sky and ITV including Swinson anyway

    No indication these will go ahead - Johnson and Corbyn so far indicating they're chickening out. Boys only club for them.
    Corbyn has done his usual fence sitting routine and said he'd consider it
    Worked last time - no one cared hed but said yes initially when he showed and May did not.
    Would Boris really be dumb enough to fall for the same trick May did?
    He shouldnt be. But depending how the campaign goes he might have been exactly as dumb in thinking Wales/Northern seats would switch to the Rories en masse.
    Are the the new Stewart party, the Rories?
    Damn, that was embargoed!
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,705
    Beibheirli_C said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    Fine by me!
    What about Scotttttt?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    YBarddCwsc said:


    Broadly, I support the smaller parties being in the TV debates .... although as usual it seems the LibDems want all the other smaller parties to stand down, so it is only them & Tory & Labour.

    I don't imagine a TV debate with all of the parties will be very insightful, but there should be some good comedy if the gang's all there.

    I don't possess, and never watch, TV.

    But what about BBC election night coverage on the 12th with the old theme music back?

    Surely watching that?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,486
    contrarian said:

    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wales returning to form, LDs down, BXP down but not out - both LDs and Tories best hope this not a trend.

    What is interesting about the latest Wales poll is that, whereas the LD to Lab shift reflects the last batch of national polls, the slight Tory dip and the tick up for BXP is new.
    That poll was not promising for the the tories blue collar strategy really.
    I disagree. If that poll is accurate then the Tories are already looking at perhaps gaining a quarter or a third of the seats they need to secure a working majority just from the Welsh gains.

    I suspect Johnson would be delighted with that outcome.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    kinabalu said:

    YBarddCwsc said:


    Broadly, I support the smaller parties being in the TV debates .... although as usual it seems the LibDems want all the other smaller parties to stand down, so it is only them & Tory & Labour.

    I don't imagine a TV debate with all of the parties will be very insightful, but there should be some good comedy if the gang's all there.

    I don't possess, and never watch, TV.

    But what about BBC election night coverage on the 12th with the old theme music back?

    Surely watching that?
    Rick Wakeman from six wives?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    philiph said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    Fine by me!
    What about Scotttttt?
    He is just stepping out. He may be some time..... :D:D

    (Actually, that was Capt Oates, but needs must...)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    IanB2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    IanB2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/NatHunter_BBC/status/1191386692931837952?s=19

    I understand Ms Hunter's point and she is probably correct, yet there is a possibility, although vanishingly small, that Ms Swinson could be PM, whereas Ms Sturgeon is in a different legislature.

    Should a journalist be making sweeping assumptions like that? Even so, Ms Swinson should have given the journalist both (verbal) barrels rather than running away like brave Sir Robin.
    It's a fake account.
    How is anyone supposed to know?
    Worrying how many PB’ers are willing to repost a tweet without even taking a second to look. This is a long campaign, guys, and really we can do better than this.
    Sorry - I take things at face value. If I researched and verified everything first I would never get anything done.
    If in the modern world, you take things at face value, politics is very low on the list of things you should be spending your time worrying about.
    I do not worry about politics.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    MikeSmithson said:

    Comments containing Tweets from parody accounts will be deleted.

    Great call - but what about those genuinely and sometimes very funny and obviously satirical ones?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,529
    The key thing about the Wales poll - and it is just a hint - is that the Tories might have peaked.

    From where else are they going to get extra vote share?

    If the only way is down for the Tories then, in terms of the betting at least, we would be wise to try and spot this a tad earlier than most PB’ers (myself included) did in 2017.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Anabobazina said:

    The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.

    I'd get not liking her, but the disdain and outright hostility seems quite disproportionate.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    Anabobazina said:

    The opprobrium Tory Swinson gets on here is seriously disconcerting. She seems a perfectly nice lady to me, PBers’ loathing for her really is bizarre.

    She's a threat. She has to be neutralised in case she gathers momentum.
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