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Looks like there is an actual race on in the desert.0
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That's the point though. They have been brought forward. There is no way to tackle the WLQ without tackling it everywhere else and McKay's thinking was certainly not rubbished by Cameron or Clegg even though it is still very far from EV4EL. You can certainly hammer labour for avoiding it at all costs but you're going to be disappointed if you think Cammie will lead the charge on it since he's had ample opportunity to set out his own 'vision' yet very tellingly has not. There's plenty of tory backbenchers who are not so 'shy' on the subject. Which might just be why Cammie wants to keep so quiet on it. As usual.Alanbrooke said:
As it happens I think the blues have been idiots on aspects of constitutional reform. However the Indyref has a vote to get out of the way first before the nature of reforms can be brought forwardMick_Pork said:
Well for one unless you prefer to have labour do f** all about it then I would have thought the tories might be more keen on seeing something done about it while they still definitely had the chance. There's been plenty of opportunity since McKay reported but there will be precious little chance of doing anything substantive in the teeth of the 2015 election campaign after september and when legislation will drop off to almost nothing. For another it ain't just about scotland as McKay made abundantly clear. It's about devolution everywhere.Alanbrooke said:
Not much will move until after the Indyref. Why should it ?Mick_Pork said:
Which two lefty hypocrites pledged to tackle the WLQ in the coalition agreement?Alanbrooke said:As you correctly say the WLQ must be answered and the lefty hypocrisy will have to go with it.
The McKay Commission has been and gone and yet still no substantive response to it.
Funny that.
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Alan, I personally do not want one and do not believe there will be one , however the unionists will want one as it will be in rUK's interest, despite their current position.Alanbrooke said:
That will be the same three cheating bastards who are going to play a straight bat on currency union with you ?malcolmg said:
Too late and the 3 unionist parties will never agree to it. Unless written in blood everybody knows they would cheat us again. They had their chance at that and Salmond tricked them into taking it away.SeanT said:Re indyref, it should be remembered that NO and BT still have an ace to play.
If the polls narrow very seriously - or YES takes the lead - then I reckon the three Westminster parties will come up with some dramatic offer of Devomax.
Which is what Cameron should've done in the first place, the halfwit that he is.0 -
Ex PM Gordon Brown spotted at the biggest sporting event in Scotland supporting his team - probably enjoying the sea of Union flags being waved.0
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@carnyx
yes I'll go with that as Willetts has screwed the whole thing up. However the corollary of the argument Eck has also lost as anyone SOTB can go for free post Indy.
Howver sitting back and looking at the wider scheme of things it's a category 2 issue. Most of the big issues - currency, EU , finance sector , oil - the nats have failed to carry. It's not that I think Scotland will fall in to the sea but the assumption being fed by the SNP post independence won't stand up and the economy will have a series of shocks of some order. Scotland will end up a much less "equal" place than Indy proponents would have you believe.0 -
The only thing warped is your sense of decency.Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, on writing my reply to JackW, I was reminded of why Maria Miller is such a despicable character.
When the Jimmy Savile scandal exploded into the open, the Conservative Party conference was imminent.
So, what does the DCMS minister (Maria Miller) decide to address the conference about? Gay marriage.
So, gay marriage tops endemic child abuse in the nation's lead broadcaster? Only in Cameron's warped cabinet.
There are few posters on PB who'd I term "a despicable character" but you fit squarely into that niche group. Your shabby juxtaposition of gay marriage and child abuse is the reason why most people reject the patent bigotry that festers under the surface of those who are rabidly anti gay.
The vast majority of rational folk know that gay people are no different from any other part of society - full of all the frailties and finer qualities that make up the human race. They are the nurses, postman, politicians, priests, factory workers, soldiers, pensioners and policeman and all other types that provide the patchwork of the families of this nation and as individuals are as valuable as any other in the land.
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Probably not, she was only obeying orders...... from her only supporter.foxinsoxuk said:So is the attack on MM in part revenge for gay marriage?.
I think it's probably (in no particular order):
Leveson
30 second 'apology'
Leftover resentment from the last expenses crisis (MPs overturning the Commissioner? How dare they. And when are we going to get the voting on this? They seem very reluctant to defend their findings).
The recession - how many people have found themselves prosecuted for benefit fraud these last few years? But, they're just 'plebs', aren't they?
Investigation by the BBC? Have you been paying to shredding self-regulation has got?foxinsoxuk said:I thought that the Saville scandal was one needing investigation by police and BBC, not one for the party conferences.
Maria Miller is the minister responsible for the BBC. Considering over 60% of news output is by the BBC, their cover-up of child abuse is of the utmost importance for democracy in this country. If they concealed this, what else are they concealing?
My argument against gay "marriage" has been demographic. This takes tens and hundreds of years for the deleterious effects to be seen.foxinsoxuk said:Gay marriage now seems to have become accepted very quickly by a majority of the country. Cameron was right on this one. Indeed even UKIP seems to realise that repeal is not on.
During the "debate", examples were given of gay "marriage" in the past. I note those societies have all collapsed or reformed.0 -
In my case, thanks to the wonderful BBC, it Sounds like there is an actual race on. Still, it allowed me to listen as I cooked dinner. ;-)Pulpstar said:Looks like there is an actual race on in the desert.. i
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Unfortunately David , most people in Scotland now describe themselves as Scottish so that boat has sailed.DavidL said:
Yes, I agree. And the answer is that over the last 300 years Scots have had vastly more opportunities to make their mark in the world, to build their businesses, to seek their fortune in those southern parts and benefit from working in a larger unit than we would have done as an independent country. I have no doubt this will not change if we stay together.Carnyx said:
Thank you for taking the trouble. Which is more than a lot of folk do when asked.DavidL said:
In the last 50 years Britain has remained one of the most stable, reasonable and fair minded places in the world to live. We have developed a society I think we can genuinely be proud of, where women, gays, racial minorities and other "outsiders" are treated with more respect than almost anywhere else on earth.Theuniondivvie said:
Up to a point, but the recent past also comes into it. What would you say are the Union's great achievements that have occurred in the lifetime of anyone under 50? It's that dearth that's killing any vision for the future.DavidL said:
Economically, we have recovered from the total exhaustion that we suffered after WW2 and have built astonishingly succesful new service industries that allow us to fund our social safety nets. There is much to do and more might have been done with the monies from the North sea but our standard of living is unimaginable to those of 50 years ago.
We stood up for the Falklands and played a very succesful part in Gulf War 1.
We put on the best Olympics ever.
The forecasts are that within about 20 years the UK will be the largest single economy in the EU, overtaking Germany. And Scotland really should be a part of it.
But this does not, to my mind, answer the logical issue at the heart of indy. This is not a referendum for the UK as a whole but for the Scots. And the key question is: would the Scots be better off in the UK, in the future, than they can do for themselves as an independent country?
As Alan has somewhat lyrically said (reminded me vaguely of that scene in Love Actually tbh) we are a part of a successful family. Like all families things change over time and new arrangements need to be found but we are still family, intermarried and with vastly more in common than anything that divides us.
This is what Better Together need to focus on. Not Salmond's latest absurdity or his expenses or the inadequacies of the Scottish Government's policies. This is a battle of dreams and I dream of remaining British, something I am inordinately proud to be.0 -
Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree; I can't really see that much of that doesn't obtain in most of Western Europe.DavidL said:
In the last 50 years Britain has remained one of the most stable, reasonable and fair minded places in the world to live. We have developed a society I think we can genuinely be proud of, where women, gays, racial minorities and other "outsiders" are treated with more respect than almost anywhere else on earth.Theuniondivvie said:
Up to a point, but the recent past also comes into it. What would you say are the Union's great achievements that have occurred in the lifetime of anyone under 50? It's that dearth that's killing any vision for the future.DavidL said:I think it is because as part of a larger economic unit and market we have huge advantages that give our people far more opportunities than they will have in an independent Scotland. The United Kingdom is one of the most successful Unions in history but the vote is about the future not the past. Better Together really need to put forward compelling arguments as to why Scots will be better off and happier over the next 20-30 years. So far they have completely failed to address this and it is a major flaw.
Economically, we have recovered from the total exhaustion that we suffered after WW2 and have built astonishingly succesful new service industries that allow us to fund our social safety nets. There is much to do and more might have been done with the monies from the North sea but our standard of living is unimaginable to those of 50 years ago.
We stood up for the Falklands and played a very succesful part in Gulf War 1.
We put on the best Olympics ever.
The forecasts are that within about 20 years the UK will be the largest single economy in the EU, overtaking Germany. And Scotland really should be a part of it.
Are Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway and Ireland really appreciably more unstable, homophobic, xenophobic and sexist than the UK? Are their standards of living lower than ours? Did the non-neutrals have to deal with a lesser post war exhaustion?
Good luck with pushing Maggie's S.Atlantic triumph as a Union dividend, and I'd guess the 1st Gulf War barely impinges on the general UK electorate's consciousness (and been totally overwhelmed by Iraq 2 and Afghanistan).
I can see the Olympics would have resonance with those with an already strong UK identity, but I'd imagine for your average C + D undecided that it seems an awful long way away, geographically and temporally.
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game is as boring as watching paint dry, be very embarrassing if Rangers get beat today and currently they do not look like winners.TGOHF said:Ex PM Gordon Brown spotted at the biggest sporting event in Scotland supporting his team - probably enjoying the sea of Union flags being waved.
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Mick "vision" isn't something I expect from Cameron.Mick_Pork said:
That's the point though. They have been brought forward. There is no way to tackle the WLQ without tackling it everywhere else and McKay's thinking was certainly not rubbished by Cameron or Clegg even though it is still very far from EV4EL. You can certainly hammer labour for avoiding it at all costs but you're going to be disappointed if you think Cammie will lead the charge on it since he's had ample opportunity to set out his own 'vision' yet very tellingly has not. There's plenty of tory backbenchers who are not so 'shy' on the subject. Which might just be why Cammie wants to keep so quiet on it. As usual.Alanbrooke said:
As it happens I think the blues have been idiots on aspects of constitutional reform. However the Indyref has a vote to get out of the way first before the nature of reforms can be brought forwardMick_Pork said:
Well for one unless you prefer to have labour do f** all about it then I would have thought the tories might be more keen on seeing something done about it while they still definitely had the chance. There's been plenty of opportunity since McKay reported but there will be precious little chance of doing anything substantive in the teeth of the 2015 election campaign after september and when legislation will drop off to almost nothing. For another it ain't just about scotland as McKay made abundantly clear. It's about devolution everywhere.Alanbrooke said:
Not much will move until after the Indyref. Why should it ?Mick_Pork said:
Which two lefty hypocrites pledged to tackle the WLQ in the coalition agreement?Alanbrooke said:As you correctly say the WLQ must be answered and the lefty hypocrisy will have to go with it.
The McKay Commission has been and gone and yet still no substantive response to it.
Funny that.0 -
Seant that sounds about right to me.SeanT said:
Seriously wrong, IMO.rcs1000 said:
I'll take bets on 6:4 or better, and I reckon the absolute will be closer to 2:1SeanT said:
Still reckon NO will win the indy referendum by 60/40 at least? Or was it 70/30?rcs1000 said:I think pretty much all of the leading Afghan candidates are anti EU, so this is an important read across for UK elections next year
If I had to call it now, I'd say NO will win 54/46. Way too close for comfort.
I will be a good result for the SNP carry on for another generation.
However I hope Yes wins , then Scotland can be truly Independent by not having to have an Independence party.
They then could get some real changes by having their own currency and head of state.0 -
Right - so I said 60:40, and you said 54:46. Split the difference 57:43.SeanT said:
Seriously wrong, IMO.rcs1000 said:
I'll take bets on 6:4 or better, and I reckon the absolute will be closer to 2:1SeanT said:
Still reckon NO will win the indy referendum by 60/40 at least? Or was it 70/30?rcs1000 said:I think pretty much all of the leading Afghan candidates are anti EU, so this is an important read across for UK elections next year
If I had to call it now, I'd say NO will win 54/46. Way too close for comfort.
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The four most likely are probably SE, SW, London and NW.RodCrosby said:
London would be one of their better chances because of its large district magnitude (8).TCPoliticalBetting said:
Therefore, if the sum of the integer-multiples of the LD vote from the parties which beat them is less than 8 the LDs will win a seat.
I would estimate that if the LDs hold on in London, they should win at least 4 MEPs nationally...0 -
Yes agreed. But in London they only got 13.7% and could therefore drop under the 9% level they really need in London.RodCrosby said:
London would be one of their better chances because of its large district magnitude (8).TCPoliticalBetting said:
Therefore, if the sum of the integer-multiples of the LD vote from the parties which beat them is less than 8 the LDs will win a seat.
I would estimate that if the LDs hold on in London, they should win at least 4 MEPs nationally...
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Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html0 -
Thank you. Have you ever met me? And what do you know about me?JackW said:
There are few posters on PB who'd I term "a despicable character" but you fit squarely into that niche group.Ninoinoz said:.
Perhaps you're showing your own prejudice here.
Maria Miller is the minister responsible for the BBC.JackW said:
Your shabby juxtaposition of gay marriage and child abuse is the reason why most people reject the patent bigotry that festers under the surface of those who are rabidly anti gay.Ninoinoz said:.
Maria Miller was the minister who induced the SSM bill into the Commons.
It appears that reality (or the facts) are 'anti-gay'.
Oh, yes, remind me what proportion of clerical child abuse victims in the USA were same sex?JackW said:
The vast majority of rational folk know that gay people are no different from any other part of society - full of all the frailties and finer qualities that make up the human race. They are ............priests............Ninoinoz said:.
81%. Ridiculously out of proportion with the presence of homosexuals in the population.
And why is it that organisations that are gay-friendly have had a child abuse scandal in recent years? [I do realise Savile was heterosexual]
Roman Catholic Church in the USA
Penn State
BBC
British music schools
Now, correlation is not the same as causation, but it requires more explanation than some pro-gay rant from you.0 -
Well they are a division below Raith - doing well to hang on 0-0 to the side from the division above.malcolmg said:
game is as boring as watching paint dry, be very embarrassing if Rangers get beat today and currently they do not look like winners.TGOHF said:Ex PM Gordon Brown spotted at the biggest sporting event in Scotland supporting his team - probably enjoying the sea of Union flags being waved.
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He is an idiot.Socrates said:
Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html
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Yorkcity said:
Seant that sounds about right to me.SeanT said:
Seriously wrong, IMO.rcs1000 said:
I'll take bets on 6:4 or better, and I reckon the absolute will be closer to 2:1SeanT said:
Still reckon NO will win the indy referendum by 60/40 at least? Or was it 70/30?rcs1000 said:I think pretty much all of the leading Afghan candidates are anti EU, so this is an important read across for UK elections next year
If I had to call it now, I'd say NO will win 54/46. Way too close for comfort.
It will be a good result for the SNP to carry on for another generation.
However I hope Yes wins , then Scotland can be truly Independent by not having to have an Independence party.
They then could get some real changes by having their own currency, and head of state.0 -
That's the sort of intelligent debate I come to PB for.DavidL said:
He is an idiot.Socrates said:
Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html0 -
Exactly in line with their GB score.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes agreed. But in London they only got 13.7% and could therefore drop under the 9% level they really need in London.RodCrosby said:
London would be one of their better chances because of its large district magnitude (8).TCPoliticalBetting said:
Therefore, if the sum of the integer-multiples of the LD vote from the parties which beat them is less than 8 the LDs will win a seat.
I would estimate that if the LDs hold on in London, they should win at least 4 MEPs nationally...0 -
He was born to a single mother, in York[3] on 23 December 1948.Socrates said:
That's the sort of intelligent debate I come to PB for.DavidL said:
He is an idiot.Socrates said:
Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html
A better back story to reach out.
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Sorry Socrates but some things are barely worth discussing and the leadership qualities of a man who thought it was a good idea to have a bye election in one of the safest seats in the country to try and prove a point and then found himself out manouvred when the others simply refused to play is one of them.Socrates said:
That's the sort of intelligent debate I come to PB for.DavidL said:
He is an idiot.Socrates said:
Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html
Davies had been a pain ever since he lost to Cameron and this is just yet another example. Such indiscipline and inability to think ahead more than a few minutes at a time is why he would have been a disastrous leader.
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So you would have preferred her to try and make political capital out of some despicable actions by a dead man?Ninoinoz said:Incidentally, on writing my reply to JackW, I was reminded of why Maria Miller is such a despicable character.
When the Jimmy Savile scandal exploded into the open, the Conservative Party conference was imminent.
So, what does the DCMS minister (Maria Miller) decide to address the conference about? Gay marriage.
So, gay marriage tops endemic child abuse in the nation's lead broadcaster? Only in Cameron's warped cabinet.0 -
FWIW and unlike Stuart Dickson I don't think it worth a great deal , the last 4 London sub samples in EU polls have had LD at 8/12/13 and 18%TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes agreed. But in London they only got 13.7% and could therefore drop under the 9% level they really need in London.RodCrosby said:
London would be one of their better chances because of its large district magnitude (8).TCPoliticalBetting said:
Therefore, if the sum of the integer-multiples of the LD vote from the parties which beat them is less than 8 the LDs will win a seat.
I would estimate that if the LDs hold on in London, they should win at least 4 MEPs nationally...
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David Davis lives in a fantasy world. His unnecessary resignation cost him a place in the current cabinet.Socrates said:
Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html
He is mistaken to think that "the Government" could open talks with Brussels to quit the EU. "The Government" is a coalition and the Libdums would veto that action.
Right motives,poor judgement.
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So yes 43 or above I win , no 57 or above you win , if so it is a betrcs1000 said:
Right - so I said 60:40, and you said 54:46. Split the difference 57:43.SeanT said:
Seriously wrong, IMO.rcs1000 said:
I'll take bets on 6:4 or better, and I reckon the absolute will be closer to 2:1SeanT said:
Still reckon NO will win the indy referendum by 60/40 at least? Or was it 70/30?rcs1000 said:I think pretty much all of the leading Afghan candidates are anti EU, so this is an important read across for UK elections next year
If I had to call it now, I'd say NO will win 54/46. Way too close for comfort.
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LOL with at least 20 times the wage bill minimum. Ally's £850K a year wage will be significantly more than Raith turnover.TGOHF said:
Well they are a division below Raith - doing well to hang on 0-0 to the side from the division above.malcolmg said:
game is as boring as watching paint dry, be very embarrassing if Rangers get beat today and currently they do not look like winners.TGOHF said:Ex PM Gordon Brown spotted at the biggest sporting event in Scotland supporting his team - probably enjoying the sea of Union flags being waved.
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With no self control or strategic thinking eitherDavidL said:
He is an idiot.Socrates said:
Fantastic. A David Davis-led Tory party is one I could very definitely vote for. Properly eurosceptic, tough on mass immigration, strong on civil liberties and smart on international relations. He's the antithesis to David Cameron: has working class credibility and clearly believes in something too.AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html0 -
Ninoinoz said:
Thank you. Have you ever met me? And what do you know about me?JackW said:
There are few posters on PB who'd I term "a despicable character" but you fit squarely into that niche group.Ninoinoz said:.
Perhaps you're showing your own prejudice here.
Maria Miller is the minister responsible for the BBC.JackW said:
Your shabby juxtaposition of gay marriage and child abuse is the reason why most people reject the patent bigotry that festers under the surface of those who are rabidly anti gay.Ninoinoz said:.
Maria Miller was the minister who induced the SSM bill into the Commons.
It appears that reality (or the facts) are 'anti-gay'.
Oh, yes, remind me what proportion of clerical child abuse victims in the USA were same sex?JackW said:
The vast majority of rational folk know that gay people are no different from any other part of society - full of all the frailties and finer qualities that make up the human race. They are ............priests............Ninoinoz said:.
81%. Ridiculously out of proportion with the presence of homosexuals in the population.
And why is it that organisations that are gay-friendly have had a child abuse scandal in recent years? [I do realise Savile was heterosexual]
Roman Catholic Church in the USA
Penn State
BBC
British music schools
Now, correlation is not the same as causation, but it requires more explanation than some pro-gay rant from you.
Firstly, surely the simplest explanation is that the Catholic church tends to have a lot more roles for boys than girls. Choirboys, altar boys etc.
Secondly your gay-friendly thing is false.
You wrongly specify the RCC in the USA since child abuse scandals have been happening in the RCC worldwide including places where the RRC certainly isn't gay friendly.
Equally I'd question your connection of modern gay-friendly organisations when referring to cases that happened decades ago.0 -
@ninoinoz
an interesting article here on how gay marriage has become popular, gaining support every year: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/14855#.U0GCsrtZ6W8
I admit to being one of the converts. Initially I had thought it a pointless innovation, but in retrospect I was wrong.0 -
anotherDave said:
Leadership challenge in June?AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html
Davis is as subtle as Portillo on a BT sales line. He's mouthed off once too often. I doubt he'll get much support from the parliamentary party following his latest outburst. If anything it'll drive MP's further away from him.anotherDave said:
Leadership challenge in June?AndyJS said:"The Tory revolt over Europe took a dramatic turn last night after senior Conservative David Davis called on the Government to open talks with Brussels on quitting the EU.
Former Tory chairman Mr Davis tore into David Cameron, accusing him of making a mess of his pledge to win back powers from the EU.
‘Scaremongers’ who said Britain would collapse if it decided to go it alone were talking nonsense, said Mr Davis. Quitting the EU would be like a ‘revolution’ and would boost UK jobs, wages, world power, arts and prestige, he added."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597945/Get-ready-quit-EU-Davis-tells-Tories-tears-Cameron-predicts-UKIP-triumph-Euro-elections.html
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I agree with perdix and davidl about David Davis.
My own opinion is that he did not think the tories could win or form a govrt at the time and engineered a resignation to shore up his own credentials. As a loser in a leadership election he was totally selfish and disloyal. He had a chance to serve his country and hois party and he turned it down.
Speaking as a tory - and as a tory who would probably voted for him had I been a member - he disgusts me.
I also agree with the notion that most back bench tories cannot think more than 2 minutes ahead.
Quite why they are getting worked up about the EU is a mystery to me. Its not going to go away even if we leave and if we put ourselves in the same situation as Norway to remain in the single market (do not anyone tell me the public would vote to leave the single market) we will still obey single market rules and free movement of labour. And pay into structural funds.
There is minuscule difference and for this tiny difference backwoods tory MPs destroy their own party.
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May I say how despicable I find Ninoinoz comments to be. Jimmy Saville has nothing to do with gay marriage. But clearly anti gay marriage and similar intolerance has got a lot to do with a lot of the vitriol directed at Cameron Miller the govt.0
