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That Brexiteers are shady international financiers, at a guess.Charles said:
No - it’s been debunked multiple times. It’s a myth propagated by people who want to demonise Brexiteers as shady international financiers. I wonder what they are implying/assuming?OldKingCole said:Isn't there a new set of EU financial regulations which come into effect on Jan 1st and are supposed to be 'detrimental' to some prominent people in UK?
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I was busy yesterday, but as I recall from Friday, terms are not agreed...Beibheirli_C said:
You really mean "as soon as we had a PM prepared to bend any law, sideline Parliament and break up the UK, terms were agreed easily enough"?Philip_Thompson said:Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.
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For all wavering leavers a leader to gladden your hearts...
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-domaindev-st_emea&hsimp=yhs-st_emea&hspart=domaindev&p=ann+widdicombe+maiden+speech#id=1&vid=45328ddcfa01200c02501c8e203eaaaf&action=view0 -
The piece was written from the future which hasn't happened yet.Benpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I'm not expecting anyone to immediately follow us out but I do think many are watching to see how Brexit goes. Right now, especially due to the self-inflicted dragging us down inflicted by Remainer May and Remainer MPs in Parliament Brexit looks like it might be more hassle than its worth but once we are out and Project Fear is shown to be the BS it always was then a smooth Brexit can fuel Euroscepticism in a good way. People should be in the EU because its what they want not because they're afraid there's no alternative.
I don't expect Ireland to follow us out, and probably not the Netherlands either - but I think Denmark and Sweden certainly might.0 -
Good morning
My thoughts and IMHO
Boris will fail to get a GE tomorrow
The EU will confirm extension to 31st January on tuesday, not least because it was Parliaments request. Also the joint letter from the Lib Dems and SNP to the EU formally asking for this date to hold a GE provides the EU with the reason they have been demanding
The Lib dem - SNP amendment to the FTPA is put forward and according to Sophy Ridge all the opposition parties now support it including the DUP
Labour try to amend it for 16s, but as stated in the media, it is impossible to do so before Christmas, so their amendment falls and the election is confirmed
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
The GE sees gains for the Conservatives, SNP and Lib Dems and labour suffering loses from all sides
The GE may give Boris a majority, but equally it may not giving the Lib Dems a golden opportunity of demanding a referendum in a remain dominated HOC
Labour are in a crisis that sees the end of the Corbyn era
And - I think that will do for now
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Gary Lineker perhaps?Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?0 -
Yes indeed, but sadly, it seems likely that the Brexiteers will get their way and all of us will have to live with the consequences of their obsession.Foxy said:
I was busy yesterday, but as I recall from Friday, terms are not agreed...Beibheirli_C said:
You really mean "as soon as we had a PM prepared to bend any law, sideline Parliament and break up the UK, terms were agreed easily enough"?Philip_Thompson said:Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.
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It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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"...the rich etc all want to block Brexit"nunuone said:
The establishment.Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?
Whether it be the courts, MPs, the speaker, the media, the rich etc all want to block Brexit
Arron Banks, James Dyson, Tim Martin, Peter Hargreaves, Jeremy Hosking, Lord Edmiston, Crispin Odey, Lord Bamford, the Barclay brothers, Viscount Rothermere, Jacob Rees-Mogg and many, many others beg to differ.
https://www.businessinsider.com/twenty-one-biggest-donors-to-the-leave-brexit-campaign-2017-5?r=US&IR=T2 -
At least all we snowflakes will be out in forceOblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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Are these the same MPs who just voted for Brexit before the dastardly remain leaning PM stalled it? And dont get me started on those lefty remainiac media outlets like the Express, Mail, Sun and Telegraph! Or the rich like Dyson, Banks, Rees Mogg, Martin, why cant they support a proper Brexit!nunuone said:
The establishment.Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?
Whether it be the courts, MPs, the speaker, the media, the rich etc all want to block Brexit0 -
All these thing could come to pass. It's as good a prediction as any but there are so many alternatives.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
My thoughts and IMHO
Boris will fail to get a GE tomorrow
The EU will confirm extension to 31st January on tuesday, not least because it was Parliaments request. Also the joint letter from the Lib Dems and SNP to the EU formally asking for this date to hold a GE provides the EU with the reason they have been demanding
The Lib dem - SNP amendment to the FTPA is put forward and according to Sophy Ridge all the opposition parties now support it including the DUP
Labour try to amend it for 16s, but as stated in the media, it is impossible to do so before Christmas, so their amendment falls and the election is confirmed
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
The GE sees gains for the Conservatives, SNP and Lib Dems and labour suffering loses from all sides
The GE may give Boris a majority, but equally it may not giving the Lib Dems a golden opportunity of demanding a referendum in a remain dominated HOC
Labour are in a crisis that sees the end of the Corbyn era
And - I think that will do for now0 -
Sorry, that wasn't written in quatrains like Nostradamus, so we can't take it seriously.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
My thoughts and IMHO
Boris will fail to get a GE tomorrow
The EU will confirm extension to 31st January on tuesday, not least because it was Parliaments request. Also the joint letter from the Lib Dems and SNP to the EU formally asking for this date to hold a GE provides the EU with the reason they have been demanding
The Lib dem - SNP amendment to the FTPA is put forward and according to Sophy Ridge all the opposition parties now support it including the DUP
Labour try to amend it for 16s, but as stated in the media, it is impossible to do so before Christmas, so their amendment falls and the election is confirmed
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
The GE sees gains for the Conservatives, SNP and Lib Dems and labour suffering loses from all sides
The GE may give Boris a majority, but equally it may not giving the Lib Dems a golden opportunity of demanding a referendum in a remain dominated HOC
Labour are in a crisis that sees the end of the Corbyn era
And - I think that will do for now0 -
Usually just before Christmas, believe it is 19th December this year.Beibheirli_C said:
Oooo yes! I will have to see when that one hits the cinemasFoxy said:On a lighter note, Star Wars fans eagerly awaiting the next extravaganza ....
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Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true0 -
Pipedreams Philip!Philip_Thompson said:
The piece was written from the future which hasn't happened yet.Benpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I'm not expecting anyone to immediately follow us out but I do think many are watching to see how Brexit goes. Right now, especially due to the self-inflicted dragging us down inflicted by Remainer May and Remainer MPs in Parliament Brexit looks like it might be more hassle than its worth but once we are out and Project Fear is shown to be the BS it always was then a smooth Brexit can fuel Euroscepticism in a good way. People should be in the EU because its what they want not because they're afraid there's no alternative.
I don't expect Ireland to follow us out, and probably not the Netherlands either - but I think Denmark and Sweden certainly might.0 -
Indeed, but they are only my musings and others are on offerBenpointer said:
All these thing could come to pass. It's as good a prediction as any but thwere are so many alternatives.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
My thoughts and IMHO
Boris will fail to get a GE tomorrow
The EU will confirm extension to 31st January on tuesday, not least because it was Parliaments request. Also the joint letter from the Lib Dems and SNP to the EU formally asking for this date to hold a GE provides the EU with the reason they have been demanding
The Lib dem - SNP amendment to the FTPA is put forward and according to Sophy Ridge all the opposition parties now support it including the DUP
Labour try to amend it for 16s, but as stated in the media, it is impossible to do so before Christmas, so their amendment falls and the election is confirmed
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
The GE sees gains for the Conservatives, SNP and Lib Dems and labour suffering loses from all sides
The GE may give Boris a majority, but equally it may not giving the Lib Dems a golden opportunity of demanding a referendum in a remain dominated HOC
Labour are in a crisis that sees the end of the Corbyn era
And - I think that will do for now0 -
Yikes! That is a bit close to Xmas.malcolmg said:
Usually just before Christmas, believe it is 19th December this year.Beibheirli_C said:
Oooo yes! I will have to see when that one hits the cinemasFoxy said:On a lighter note, Star Wars fans eagerly awaiting the next extravaganza ....
It is also a THURSDAY!!!!
Election day? 0 -
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true0 -
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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Nicky Morgan hanging in there wanting the deal passed by 6th November and then go for the election on the 12th December
I just do not see how she gets an either or agreement
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We'd have a preview of how well the British public would deal with No Deal Armageddon.SouthamObserver said:It probably wouldn't happen again, but what if it did???
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Way above my simple understanding and lack of knowledge of latinToms said:
Sorry, that wasn't written in quatrains like Nostradamus, so we can't take it seriously.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
My thoughts and IMHO
Boris will fail to get a GE tomorrow
The EU will confirm extension to 31st January on tuesday, not least because it was Parliaments request. Also the joint letter from the Lib Dems and SNP to the EU formally asking for this date to hold a GE provides the EU with the reason they have been demanding
The Lib dem - SNP amendment to the FTPA is put forward and according to Sophy Ridge all the opposition parties now support it including the DUP
Labour try to amend it for 16s, but as stated in the media, it is impossible to do so before Christmas, so their amendment falls and the election is confirmed
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
The GE sees gains for the Conservatives, SNP and Lib Dems and labour suffering loses from all sides
The GE may give Boris a majority, but equally it may not giving the Lib Dems a golden opportunity of demanding a referendum in a remain dominated HOC
Labour are in a crisis that sees the end of the Corbyn era
And - I think that will do for now0 -
Who?noneoftheabove said:
Gary Lineker perhaps?Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?0 -
Now that really would be funny... election abandoned due to blizzards. 😂Ishmael_Z said:
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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Yes he is but he does get a bit carried away at times.Benpointer said:
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true0 -
Mexico: pre-race ramble:
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/10/mexico-pre-race-2019.html1 -
The tried & tested 'racists' formulation probably works here -Charles said:No - it’s been debunked multiple times. It’s a myth propagated by people who want to demonise Brexiteers as shady international financiers. I wonder what they are implying/assuming?
Most Leavers are not shady international financiers.
But almost all shady international financiers are Leavers.0 -
None of whom are on the electoral register and very very few of whom would be able to be added that quicklyScott_P said:
I'm a big Harry Turtledove fan. Could we not adopt his scenario from the World War series and have the Election abandoned due to Lizards?Benpointer said:
Now that really would be funny... election abandoned due to blizzards. 😂Ishmael_Z said:
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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He is a very powerful and rich man who the BBC regularly allow on their shows! Apparently lived in Barcelona for a bit so may have been recruited by the EU then to go deep undercover?Beibheirli_C said:
Who?noneoftheabove said:
Gary Lineker perhaps?Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?0 -
Phil Hammond running scared on Sophy
Going to stand as an Independent0 -
The 2001 Locals were postponed by Foot and Mouth as I recall.Benpointer said:
Now that really would be funny... election abandoned due to blizzards. 😂Ishmael_Z said:
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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Sat here at my beach front cafe having Café Cortardo and Churros for Breakfast. Was slightly surreal coming through Alicante airport wondering if that was the last time I'd be able to do so via the EU channel...0
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One out of two correct isnt bad.kinabalu said:
The tried & tested 'racists' formulation probably works here -Charles said:No - it’s been debunked multiple times. It’s a myth propagated by people who want to demonise Brexiteers as shady international financiers. I wonder what they are implying/assuming?
Most Leavers are not shady international financiers.
But almost all shady international financiers are Leavers.0 -
Hope the remain alliance give him a free run.Big_G_NorthWales said:Phil Hammond running scared on Sophy
Going to stand as an Independent0 -
It would certainly be interesting to hear the local therwilloftherpeople theorists on what happens next when you elect a government on an exclusively urban turnout of 22%.Benpointer said:
Now that really would be funny... election abandoned due to blizzards. 😂Ishmael_Z said:
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
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No pipedreams. Quite frankly I couldn't care less whether Sweden [which I think is most likely] or any others follow us out. But I do think that if Sweden and others stay in it should be because they want to and not becase they're afraid of the consequences of leaving - is that an unrealistic pipedream?Benpointer said:
Pipedreams Philip!Philip_Thompson said:
The piece was written from the future which hasn't happened yet.Benpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I'm not expecting anyone to immediately follow us out but I do think many are watching to see how Brexit goes. Right now, especially due to the self-inflicted dragging us down inflicted by Remainer May and Remainer MPs in Parliament Brexit looks like it might be more hassle than its worth but once we are out and Project Fear is shown to be the BS it always was then a smooth Brexit can fuel Euroscepticism in a good way. People should be in the EU because its what they want not because they're afraid there's no alternative.
I don't expect Ireland to follow us out, and probably not the Netherlands either - but I think Denmark and Sweden certainly might.0 -
noneoftheabove said:
Hope the remain alliance give him a free run.Big_G_NorthWales said:Phil Hammond running scared on Sophy
Going to stand as an Independent
Hammond is being given a free run. The LDs are standing aside0 -
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+1MarqueeMark said:0 -
Hammond wants to amend to a customs union, wants a week in the HOC and two weeks in the HOL and out by the 30th November
A customs union would see Boris pull the deal and without a GE we are out with no deal on the 31st January0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/27/english-tories-have-lost-the-slightest-reason-to-care-about-the-union
"As ever with Johnson, there are pragmatic reasons for finally letting Scotland go, which resonate with an almost frightening level of personal ambition. The departure for good of all Scottish MPs would make it almost impossible for Labour to entertain any prospect of power in the foreseeable future. This would leave him virtually unopposed as prime minister of England for a generation."0 -
So that was 3,765 votes last time.MikeSmithson said:noneoftheabove said:
Hope the remain alliance give him a free run.Big_G_NorthWales said:Phil Hammond running scared on Sophy
Going to stand as an Independent
Hammond is being given a free run. The LDs are standing aside
Compared to the Tories 31,4360 -
And he's the most repetitive poster PB has ever experienced since the late Plato discovered her fondness for Trump.malcolmg said:
Yes he is but he does get a bit carried away at times.Benpointer said:
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true0 -
Chuka just accepted there is no chance of a peoples vote in this HOC and a new HOC is the only way to proceed
He added there is not have time to pass votes for 16s0 -
North or south costa Blanca?RochdalePioneers said:Sat here at my beach front cafe having Café Cortardo and Churros for Breakfast. Was slightly surreal coming through Alicante airport wondering if that was the last time I'd be able to do so via the EU channel...
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How am I repetitive?Roger said:
And he's the most repetitive poster PB has ever experienced since the late Plato discovered her fondness for Trump.malcolmg said:
Yes he is but he does get a bit carried away at times.Benpointer said:
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I just take and form my own opinions and argue them from my own principles, without sticking to any partisan line. How is that repetitive?0 -
So Hammond got 31,436 and Bluekip 0? Promising start.Philip_Thompson said:
So that was 3,765 votes last time.MikeSmithson said:noneoftheabove said:
Hope the remain alliance give him a free run.Big_G_NorthWales said:Phil Hammond running scared on Sophy
Going to stand as an Independent
Hammond is being given a free run. The LDs are standing aside
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All this obsession with a customs union is utterly bonkers, it would be the worst of all worlds and we would be better in the EU than being used as leverage in their trade deals with others.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hammond wants to amend to a customs union, wants a week in the HOC and two weeks in the HOL and out by the 30th November
A customs union would see Boris pull the deal and without a GE we are out with no deal on the 31st January
The only reason people are pushing it is that it's utterly unacceptable.1 -
I’m in Malta and picked the one week in the year when it’s raining. Boo hiss.RochdalePioneers said:Sat here at my beach front cafe having Café Cortardo and Churros for Breakfast. Was slightly surreal coming through Alicante airport wondering if that was the last time I'd be able to do so via the EU channel...
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Well... it is only ONE set of principles. Boris seems to have manyPhilip_Thompson said:
How am I repetitive?Roger said:
And he's the most repetitive poster PB has ever experienced since the late Plato discovered her fondness for Trump.malcolmg said:
Yes he is but he does get a bit carried away at times.Benpointer said:
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I just take and form my own opinions and argue them from my own principles, without sticking to any partisan line. How is that repetitive?
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The assumption seems to be that the NATO conference will be an opportunity for Johnson to play the statesman and look Prime Ministerial - and thus be a benefit electorally.Big_G_NorthWales said:...
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
...
However, I'm not convinced it will get much coverage - with the exception of whatever Trump says. I think it's quite likely that Trump says things that can be broadly categorised as:
1. Isn't Boris great? He's great!
2. You NATO bozos need to pay the US more dough to defend you. Putin is great too! Europeans are losers!
3. The Democrats are liars and traitors! I'll impeach them, see how they like it!
Unless Johnson goes all Love Actually on Trump I don't see how that plays well for him at all. A personal endorsement from Trump, in person, in London, a week before the election? Grade A kryptonite.0 -
Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.0
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ThoughRochdalePioneers said:
None of whom are on the electoral register and very very few of whom would be able to be added that quicklyScott_P said:
I'm a big Harry Turtledove fan. Could we not adopt his scenario from the World War series and have the Election abandoned due to Lizards?Benpointer said:
Now that really would be funny... election abandoned due to blizzards. 😂Ishmael_Z said:
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
It is still Brexit, and quite viable. If the Tories pull their Deal, it is no ones fault but their own.Sandpit said:
All this obsession with a customs union is utterly bonkers, it would be the worst of all worlds and we would be better in the EU than being used as leverage in their trade deals with others.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hammond wants to amend to a customs union, wants a week in the HOC and two weeks in the HOL and out by the 30th November
A customs union would see Boris pull the deal and without a GE we are out with no deal on the 31st January
The only reason people are pushing it is that it's utterly unacceptable.
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We allow people with serious dementia to vote.SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
The best argument against 16 years old voting is simply the cut off line is arbitrary and 16 is no better or worse than 18, so the status quo should remain.0 -
Also true of most votersSquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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The Lascaris war rooms are worth a visit and the national museum rather good.ydoethur said:
I’m in Malta and picked the one week in the year when it’s raining. Boo hiss.RochdalePioneers said:Sat here at my beach front cafe having Café Cortardo and Churros for Breakfast. Was slightly surreal coming through Alicante airport wondering if that was the last time I'd be able to do so via the EU channel...
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Ummmm...Philip_Thompson said:
How am I repetitive... How is that repetitive?Roger said:
And he's the most repetitive poster PB has ever experienced since the late Plato discovered her fondness for Trump.malcolmg said:
Yes he is but he does get a bit carried away at times.Benpointer said:
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true1 -
By repeating those principles hundreds and hundreds of times a week.Philip_Thompson said:
How am I repetitive?Roger said:
And he's the most repetitive poster PB has ever experienced since the late Plato discovered her fondness for Trump.malcolmg said:
Yes he is but he does get a bit carried away at times.Benpointer said:
Of course. But @Philip_Thompson (for all I disagree with him) is usually more reasoned in his thinking.malcolmg said:
Hannan is a fruitcakeBenpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I just take and form my own opinions and argue them from my own principles, without sticking to any partisan line. How is that repetitive?0 -
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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If it's on the day of the election it will get no TV coverage at all - and be a complete nightmare for the police to have simultaneous major events.OblitusSumMe said:
The assumption seems to be that the NATO conference will be an opportunity for Johnson to play the statesman and look Prime Ministerial - and thus be a benefit electorally.Big_G_NorthWales said:...
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
...
However, I'm not convinced it will get much coverage - with the exception of whatever Trump says. I think it's quite likely that Trump says things that can be broadly categorised as:
1. Isn't Boris great? He's great!
2. You NATO bozos need to pay the US more dough to defend you. Putin is great too! Europeans are losers!
3. The Democrats are liars and traitors! I'll impeach them, see how they like it!
Unless Johnson goes all Love Actually on Trump I don't see how that plays well for him at all. A personal endorsement from Trump, in person, in London, a week before the election? Grade A kryptonite.
If it's during the campaign it will only get mentioned in passing 'This is where Boris was today, he said he looks forward to NATO being strengthened' - before moving on to 'Jeremy says NATO is an imperial construct that should be abolished'0 -
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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Indeed yes, I’m planning to do a lot of exploring. But today as I only arrived at 4am I fancied a gentle wander around on my own. Weather seems to be putting paid to this idea.Foxy said:
The Lascaris war rooms are worth a visit and the national museum rather good.ydoethur said:
I’m in Malta and picked the one week in the year when it’s raining. Boo hiss.RochdalePioneers said:Sat here at my beach front cafe having Café Cortardo and Churros for Breakfast. Was slightly surreal coming through Alicante airport wondering if that was the last time I'd be able to do so via the EU channel...
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I’m on holiday. You can’t take an organ with you, especially not one with an eight foot horn. It doesn’t fit in the seat.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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Cutoffs at 5 years old, or 97, would also be arbitrary. That is probably the worst argument of any kind ever advanced since the invention of speech.noneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote.SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
The best argument against 16 years old voting is simply the cut off line is arbitrary and 16 is no better or worse than 18, so the status quo should remain.0 -
John Ashworth says that once the EU give the extension to the 31st January we will give the matter consideration
The whole interview is an oscar performance of obfuscation
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I did for a while have a practice organ (an old analogue Viscount) on our narrowboat. Sadly I never got to play 565 while going through Harecastle Tunnel.ydoethur said:
I’m on holiday. You can’t take an organ with you, especially not one with an eight foot horn. It doesn’t fit in the seat.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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5 or 97 are clearly worse than 16 or 18. 16 is not clearly worse or better than 18.Ishmael_Z said:
Cutoffs at 5 years old, or 97, would also be arbitrary. That is probably the worst argument of any kind ever advanced since the invention of speech.noneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote.SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
The best argument against 16 years old voting is simply the cut off line is arbitrary and 16 is no better or worse than 18, so the status quo should remain.0 -
So Jezza agreeing with Trumpy?Sandpit said:
If it's on the day of the election it will get no TV coverage at all - and be a complete nightmare for the police to have simultaneous major events.OblitusSumMe said:
The assumption seems to be that the NATO conference will be an opportunity for Johnson to play the statesman and look Prime Ministerial - and thus be a benefit electorally.Big_G_NorthWales said:...
Between the election Boris features as host of the NATO conference in London
...
However, I'm not convinced it will get much coverage - with the exception of whatever Trump says. I think it's quite likely that Trump says things that can be broadly categorised as:
1. Isn't Boris great? He's great!
2. You NATO bozos need to pay the US more dough to defend you. Putin is great too! Europeans are losers!
3. The Democrats are liars and traitors! I'll impeach them, see how they like it!
Unless Johnson goes all Love Actually on Trump I don't see how that plays well for him at all. A personal endorsement from Trump, in person, in London, a week before the election? Grade A kryptonite.
If it's during the campaign it will only get mentioned in passing 'This is where Boris was today, he said he looks forward to NATO being strengthened' - before moving on to 'Jeremy says NATO is an imperial construct that should be abolished'0 -
Paging @Foxynoneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote. .SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
Is this correct? I thought it was one of the conditions that meant somebody lost their vote in its later stages, although I will admit I don’t know much about it either way. Seems a bit silly if true.0 -
Uncanny! How did you deduceIshmael_Z said:
That Brexiteers are shady international financiers, at a guess.Charles said:
No - it’s been debunked multiple times. It’s a myth propagated by people who want to demonise Brexiteers as shady international financiers. I wonder what they are implying/assuming?OldKingCole said:Isn't there a new set of EU financial regulations which come into effect on Jan 1st and are supposed to be 'detrimental' to some prominent people in UK?
the bloody obvioussuch a subtle subtext?... 0 -
https://www.candi.nhs.uk/news/voting-rights-mental-health-patientsydoethur said:
Paging @Foxynoneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote. .SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
Is this correct? I thought it was one of the conditions that meant somebody lost their vote in its later stages, although I will admit I don’t know much about it either way. Seems a bit silly if true.0 -
Your not watching the rugby?Big_G_NorthWales said:John Ashworth says that once the EU give the extension to the 31st January we will give the matter consideration
The whole interview is an oscar performance of obfuscation0 -
Jo Swinson just said that Boris didn’t try to get a deal. Imagine how good a PM he would be if he tried...0
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Severe weather is possible at any time of year. There have been some very severe floods during a few recent summers for example. Granted that it's more likely in winter, but I'm not sure how much more likely the "do not travel" red weather warnings are.Ishmael_Z said:
See above - I now think we should be considering the danger of severe weather of "Do not travel unless your journey is essential" levels decimating turnout.OblitusSumMe said:
It will definitely make a difference at the margins, but since an election wouldn't happen in winter unless there was an important reason for it then there will be other effects that will increase turnout. I'd expect the latter effects to be stronger than the former.Ishmael_Z said:The wilting flower theory that people won't vote cos it's parky out, is bullshit.
Perhaps that's something to send the Met Office a question about.0 -
Well it’s 18 and hazy here heading for 23/24 so back in jeansydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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Yes but with one eye on Sky on my tabletnichomar said:
Your not watching the rugby?Big_G_NorthWales said:John Ashworth says that once the EU give the extension to the 31st January we will give the matter consideration
The whole interview is an oscar performance of obfuscation
Now 100% watching the lads0 -
Well it's hot and sunny where I am, although starting to get colder now as we move toward winter. Only 35C today.ydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
Edit: Obviously not, hope you have a fun holiday! 0 -
Speaking as somebody whose job is to work on a daily basis with adolescents, I would flatly disagree. An awful lot of growing up is done between 16 and 18. At sixteen they haven’t learned caution and will try literally anything. At eighteen, they are settling down a bit - although they can still be rather wild they are beginning to learn how to say ‘no.’noneoftheabove said:
5 or 97 are clearly worse than 16 or 18. 16 is not clearly worse or better than 18.Ishmael_Z said:
Cutoffs at 5 years old, or 97, would also be arbitrary. That is probably the worst argument of any kind ever advanced since the invention of speech.noneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote.SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
The best argument against 16 years old voting is simply the cut off line is arbitrary and 16 is no better or worse than 18, so the status quo should remain.
Personally, I would have said in my experience 21 would be a better age to grant the vote, as a great deal more growing up is done in those years. But unfortunately Wilson allowed that ship to sail fifty years ago.0 -
You didn’t go in search of the Maltese organs ?ydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
Edit: Obviously not, hope you have a fun holiday!
https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/Celebrating-Malta-s-historic-pipe-organs.5276510 -
It’s a dog whistle for anti-semites - not suggesting people on this site who post it have this intention - but the original source didIshmael_Z said:
That Brexiteers are shady international financiers, at a guess.Charles said:
No - it’s been debunked multiple times. It’s a myth propagated by people who want to demonise Brexiteers as shady international financiers. I wonder what they are implying/assuming?OldKingCole said:Isn't there a new set of EU financial regulations which come into effect on Jan 1st and are supposed to be 'detrimental' to some prominent people in UK?
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Can only be good for us CarnyxCarnyx said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/27/english-tories-have-lost-the-slightest-reason-to-care-about-the-union
"As ever with Johnson, there are pragmatic reasons for finally letting Scotland go, which resonate with an almost frightening level of personal ambition. The departure for good of all Scottish MPs would make it almost impossible for Labour to entertain any prospect of power in the foreseeable future. This would leave him virtually unopposed as prime minister of England for a generation."0 -
And others would disagree and say 16 is better, hence it being the choice in Scotland, Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Austria, Brazil, Argentina amongst others.ydoethur said:
Speaking as somebody whose job is to work on a daily basis with adolescents, I would flatly disagree. An awful lot of growing up is done between 16 and 18. At sixteen they haven’t learned caution and will try literally anything. At eighteen, they are settling down a bit - although they can still be rather wild they are beginning to learn how to say ‘no.’noneoftheabove said:
5 or 97 are clearly worse than 16 or 18. 16 is not clearly worse or better than 18.Ishmael_Z said:
Cutoffs at 5 years old, or 97, would also be arbitrary. That is probably the worst argument of any kind ever advanced since the invention of speech.noneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote.SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
The best argument against 16 years old voting is simply the cut off line is arbitrary and 16 is no better or worse than 18, so the status quo should remain.
Personally, I would have said in my experience 21 would be a better age to grant the vote, as a great deal more growing up is done in those years. But unfortunately Wilson allowed that ship to sail fifty years ago.
I can see merits in your answer but also in those who put the case for 16. Ergo neither is clearly worse or better than the other, and the status quo should remain.0 -
A new Hanseatic League always more economic sense than the EU...Philip_Thompson said:
The piece was written from the future which hasn't happened yet.Benpointer said:
Er... When are you expecting Denmark, Ireland and the Netherlands to follow us out of the EU?Philip_Thompson said:
Hannan's piece reads quite reasonable to me, except for the fact that Remainer May being in power dragged out the period of shock at Brexit until she was replaced. As soon as we had a Leaver as PM terms were indeed easily enough.Foxy said:
Whenever I need a laugh I go back and read old Brexit prospectus. This one from Carswells old mate is particularly good.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Though we will probably Brexit, I think it unlikely to be a grateful demos afterwards. This survey in the Observer is an interesting one. Even amongst Leavers there is a substantial minority who wished the whole business of the referendum had never happened.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/26/opinium-poll-observer-uk-voters-regret-brexit-referendum-conservative-lead-over-labour?__twitter_impression=true
I'm not expecting anyone to immediately follow us out but I do think many are watching to see how Brexit goes. Right now, especially due to the self-inflicted dragging us down inflicted by Remainer May and Remainer MPs in Parliament Brexit looks like it might be more hassle than its worth but once we are out and Project Fear is shown to be the BS it always was then a smooth Brexit can fuel Euroscepticism in a good way. People should be in the EU because its what they want not because they're afraid there's no alternative.
I don't expect Ireland to follow us out, and probably not the Netherlands either - but I think Denmark and Sweden certainly might.
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I was lead astray looking for falcons...Nigelb said:
You didn’t go in search of the Maltese organs ?ydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
Edit: Obviously not, hope you have a fun holiday!
https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/Celebrating-Malta-s-historic-pipe-organs.5276510 -
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It is overcast in Lanzarote so you are not alone, still very pleasant though.ydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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It's all rubbish. The franchise should only be available to net contributors to the Exchequer.ydoethur said:
Speaking as somebody whose job is to work on a daily basis with adolescents, I would flatly disagree. An awful lot of growing up is done between 16 and 18. At sixteen they haven’t learned caution and will try literally anything. At eighteen, they are settling down a bit - although they can still be rather wild they are beginning to learn how to say ‘no.’noneoftheabove said:
5 or 97 are clearly worse than 16 or 18. 16 is not clearly worse or better than 18.Ishmael_Z said:
Cutoffs at 5 years old, or 97, would also be arbitrary. That is probably the worst argument of any kind ever advanced since the invention of speech.noneoftheabove said:
We allow people with serious dementia to vote.SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
The best argument against 16 years old voting is simply the cut off line is arbitrary and 16 is no better or worse than 18, so the status quo should remain.
Personally, I would have said in my experience 21 would be a better age to grant the vote, as a great deal more growing up is done in those years. But unfortunately Wilson allowed that ship to sail fifty years ago.
No representation without net contribution of taxation.
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Just had a major rumble of thunder.malcolmg said:
It is overcast in Lanzarote so you are not alone, still very pleasant though.ydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
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The media?! This will be the media that's spent forty years poisoning the public's mind against the EU with bollocks stories about straight bananas etc. The courts are just trying to enforce the law, as is their job. The rich are split on Brexit, but on both sides have more clout than the rest of us because they're rich. MPs are split, they are mostly trying to stop a no deal Brexit. The speaker is trying to let MPs have their say, because that is his job. You're being paranoid.nunuone said:
The establishment.Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?
Whether it be the courts, MPs, the speaker, the media, the rich etc all want to block Brexit0 -
Ridiculous to talk about straight bananas.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The media?! This will be the media that's spent forty years poisoning the public's mind against the EU with bollocks stories about straight bananas etc.nunuone said:
The establishment.Beibheirli_C said:
We Remainers have a "Powerful backer"?? No one told me.Gardenwalker said:Douglas Carswell is having a breakdown.
https://twitter.com/douglascarswell/status/1188093636027793409?s=21
I wonder who it is?
Whether it be the courts, MPs, the speaker, the media, the rich etc all want to block Brexit
Evreryone knows they’re asexual and reproduce by cloning.
Well, the edible sort anyway.0 -
No, they are not.kinabalu said:
The tried & tested 'racists' formulation probably works here -Charles said:No - it’s been debunked multiple times. It’s a myth propagated by people who want to demonise Brexiteers as shady international financiers. I wonder what they are implying/assuming?
Most Leavers are not shady international financiers.
But almost all shady international financiers are Leavers.
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So you can campaign against it, but as soon as you start becoming effective you are a traitor and need to be chucked out of the country? Got it!Charles said:
I read it as Brexit blockers - in Parliament - not people who don’t like BrexitGardenwalker said:Although I am precisely the kind of “Remainiac” Carswell wants hounded out of the country, I don’t think it is reasonable to change the franchise all of a sudden.
People like you may campaign against it but it’s not the same as “blocking” it because (no offence) you don’t have that power0 -
“You always have such a smooth explanation”....ydoethur said:
I was lead astray looking for falcons...Nigelb said:
You didn’t go in search of the Maltese organs ?ydoethur said:
The joke is, I chose Malta partly in the hope of nice warm weather. And indeed, I was sitting on the balcony in shirtsleeves until it started raining.Sandpit said:
Haven't you got to go and play with your organ?ydoethur said:
So even though they know Johnson’s an arse, they won’t give him the elbow?SquareRoot said:Most 16yr olds don't know their arse from their elbow.
Edit: Obviously not, hope you have a fun holiday!
https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/Celebrating-Malta-s-historic-pipe-organs.5276510 -
I agree with this and would expect Trump to receive a polite request from Boris not to comment on the GE.OblitusSumMe said:A personal endorsement from Trump, in person, in London, a week before the election? Grade A kryptonite.
In the same way Obama waded in to the referendum campaign backfired so would an endorsement from Trump.0
