So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
A border in the North Sea! Why did no one think of that before? Boris really is a genius!
To be picky, it’s the Irish Sea.
Pedant.
I suppose technically I’m wrong as well. Johnson is proposing a border in the North Sea and English Channel in addition to one in the Irish Sea.
It would be quite something if Theresa May were to lose the Conservative whip by voting against a Johnson Brexit deal with an Irish Sea border, though.
I’m surely not the only one regretting that she didn’t do that to the ERG and force an election on her deal.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
Agree 100%
I liked May's deal. I am sure I'll be fine with Johnson's deal. If it adds consent in Northern Ireland, I will be pleased. (Although I always felt we could have unilaterally added consent by publicly stating that we regarded our treaty obligations under Section One of the United Nations Charter as being superior to the WA, should conflict exist.)
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
What he really needs from the summit is a declaration that an extension is available to implement a deal but not otherwise. He gets that and he is home and hosed.
What's in it for the EU to do that? They've just proven they can, with great effort, be willing to entertain fresh offers, so presumably are open to a theoretical Labour negotation so why close off such an option, should the British people want to go for it, or indeed remain etc?
I think that they are sick to death of this and have a very full agenda that there is never the time nor the energy to discuss.
Heard that one before, and yet they extended once and seem perfectly content to extend again. And even if they do agree a new deal, might extend anyway if the UK continues to reject a deal. An eventual point may come where they are truly sick to death of this and want to focus on other matters - Juneish next year has been mentioned - but it doesn't seem like it is now.
It would be quite something if Theresa May were to lose the Conservative whip by voting against a Johnson Brexit deal with an Irish Sea border, though.
I'm sure there will be enough fudge to allow Theresa to vote YAY.
And she might quite relish sticking it to Arlene who loved having her (Theresa) on the rack for two years.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
No one voted wanting this mess, but our votes opened up to the potential of this mess, even if too many discounted even the possibility of such mess and others, like me, miscalculated just how big a mess it would become.
But anyone voting for 'this mess' seems pretty irrelevant, it has to be dealt with somehow, and that probably won't be in a way that most wanted at the start of all this.
Forty years of a stealthy transfer of power by a Europhile elite, afeared of set-backs if they asked for popular consent - that is what has caused this mess.
It would be quite something if Theresa May were to lose the Conservative whip by voting against a Johnson Brexit deal with an Irish Sea border, though.
Ha, so it would. But then, didn't she say no PM could agree to it? She wouldn't be PM, so could keep her word and still back it?
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
A border in the North Sea! Why did no one think of that before? Boris really is a genius!
To be picky, it’s the Irish Sea.
Pedant.
We love our pedantry here, but I'm not sure that counts as a pedantic detail!
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
That was my view two weeks ago.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
It would be quite something if Theresa May were to lose the Conservative whip by voting against a Johnson Brexit deal with an Irish Sea border, though.
I’m surely not the only one regretting that she didn’t do that to the ERG and force an election on her deal.
The 1922 were never going to allow Theresa May to fight another election after 2017.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
A border in the North Sea! Why did no one think of that before? Boris really is a genius!
To be picky, it’s the Irish Sea.
Pedant.
We love our pedantry here, but I'm not sure that counts as a pedantic detail!
No but thankfully it was taken with the right humour! The comment actually made me laugh out loud.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
A border in the North Sea! Why did no one think of that before? Boris really is a genius!
To be picky, it’s the Irish Sea.
Pedant.
We love our pedantry here, but I'm not sure that counts as a pedantic detail!
No but thankfully it was taken with the right humour! The comment actually made me laugh out loud.
I didn't even notice the initial error - goes to show my fine attention to detail, I should stand for elected office
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
A border in the North Sea! Why did no one think of that before? Boris really is a genius!
To be picky, it’s the Irish Sea.
Pedant.
We love our pedantry here, but I'm not sure that counts as a pedantic detail!
No but thankfully it was taken with the right humour! The comment actually made me laugh out loud.
She did say that no British Prime Minister could accept a customs border in the Irish Sea.
As one of the more spectacularly unsuccessful Prime Ministers of recent times, Theresa May really wasn't the best person to start writing the book on what British Prime Ministers could or couldn't do.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
Agree 100%
I liked May's deal. I am sure I'll be fine with Johnson's deal. If it adds consent in Northern Ireland, I will be pleased. (Although I always felt we could have unilaterally added consent by publicly stating that we regarded our treaty obligations under Section One of the United Nations Charter as being superior to the WA, should conflict exist.)
I did too. I was furious the self styled Spartans voted against it. I am doubtful the new version will be much of an improvement but I frankly don't really care.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
I never thought it would be easy, I thought it would be bitter and chaotic, but I definitely still underestimated how much that would be the case, and how long it would take to get our shit together (we still haven't). The turning point came when into the earlier parts of this year there still wasn't agreement within the Cabinet on what to do next, never mind the Tories, or Parliament. I couldn't go on convincing myself that pushing on was worth it at that point.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
Verily, brother. Verily.
If we Brexit, I suspect in about 15-20 years it will be the EU that regrets it, more than the UK
It would have needed minimal movement from them, and all this grief would have been avoided.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
Well, we are where we are. All passengers, and the next few days will be at least interesting.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
It's more than slightly depressing that, in retrospect, Cameron never managed to come to a reasoned settlement with the EU to avoid all this.
The EU basically told him to go forth and multiply, but Cameron should have been smarter with how he went about things.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
Surely you agree that the Benn Act has been very effective at forcing the PM to the table.
To dine on the 2 year old WA with Irish sea border flavoured humble pie admittedly.
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
Mistake? If the Benn Act stops this bad deal getting over the line we should all rejoice.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
We wouldn’t need a deal and need it now if these stupid wankers hadn’t voted against a better deal nine months ago.
Agree 100%
I liked May's deal. I am sure I'll be fine with Johnson's deal. If it adds consent in Northern Ireland, I will be pleased. (Although I always felt we could have unilaterally added consent by publicly stating that we regarded our treaty obligations under Section One of the United Nations Charter as being superior to the WA, should conflict exist.)
I did too. I was furious the self styled Spartans voted against it. I am doubtful the new version will be much of an improvement but I frankly don't really care.
Look on the bright side. Acknowledging that we should have an internal UK customs border makes the case that Independence is not needed for Scotland. The Irish Sea border can simply continue on to the mainland and finish at Berwick.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
It's more than slightly depressing that, in retrospect, Cameron never managed to come to a reasoned settlement with the EU to avoid all this.
The EU basically told him to go forth and multiply, but Cameron should have been smarter with how he went about things.
We are certainly not going to go on about this again now but Cameron's deal was a good one. Unless you really, really didn't like foreigners. But then the foreigners came anyway just fewer from the EU.
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
That was my view two weeks ago.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
It's possible. Boris really seemed to be playing at these negotiations at the start but he probably knew they wouldn't get serious until the end. I can't see how he ever believed he was going to get no deal past the Commons. It would be irrational to have thought that. He is many things, mendacious, untrustworthy, a terrible husband, etc etc. Stupid is not one of them.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
Verily, brother. Verily.
If we Brexit, I suspect in about 15-20 years it will be the EU that regrets it, more than the UK
It would have needed minimal movement from them, and all this grief would have been avoided.
This may seem silly now, but the whole Brexit exercise may be beneficial in the long run. Hopefully voters will look closer at politicians in future and ask harder questions. Ever closer union will be stopped for us. The pain of leaving the EU may make Scotland think twice about the Union. We may decide to focus on policies for people in this rapidly changing World. One can hope.
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
That was my view two weeks ago.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
It's possible. Boris really seemed to be playing at these negotiations at the start but he probably knew they wouldn't get serious until the end. I can't see how he ever believed he was going to get no deal past the Commons. It would be irrational to have thought that. He is many things, mendacious, untrustworthy, a terrible husband, etc etc. Stupid is not one of them.
I'm not sure that means much. Intelligent people do stupid things all the time.
The EU could actually offer two extensions , a bit like earlier in the year .
So a one month extension on proviso that the WAIB is passed before 30 November , a longer one kicks in if that isn’t passed .
They could also add there will be no further extensions, that’s it .
The final extension at least brings things to an end .
I think you're right - there has to be finality eventually, but the longer extension would have to have a reason I think. Not just "come back again" with whatever Government you've got and we'll do this all over again.
This is all bullshit IMHO.. They are going to say they have done a deal even if there is no 100% agreement. Both sides NEED a deal.
Neither side NEEDS a deal (this week).
BORIS needs a deal to avoid the embarrassment of asking for an extension. The UK doesn't need a deal - not a Boris deal anyway.
The EU would like the Brexit farce to be over, but it doesn't care about Boris's possible embarrassment. Its priority is that ANY deal proposed by the UK meets the needs and rules of the EU.
I think there is very little reason to think this outline of a deal will get through the Commons. Remain will think that if it can see off this deal it will probably win. In truth Remain has a majority in parliament; in my view this includes the DUP; the DUP will also think that the deal suggested speeds up Irish reunification. There is a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
Verily, brother. Verily.
If we Brexit, I suspect in about 15-20 years it will be the EU that regrets it, more than the UK
It would have needed minimal movement from them, and all this grief would have been avoided.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history" r this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
Thatned. Hey ho.
Verily, brother. Verily.
If we Brexit, I suspect in about 15-20 years it will be the EU that regrets it, more than the UK
It would have needed minimal movement from them, and all this grief would have been avoided.
This may seem silly now, but the whole Brexit exercise may be beneficial in the long run. Hopefully voters will look closer at politicians in future and ask harder questions. Ever closer union will be stopped for us. The pain of leaving the EU may make Scotland think twice about the Union. We may decide to focus on policies for people in this rapidly changing World. One can hope.
It would be nice to think so. This has been a difficult and painful time, and probably will be for a long time further regardless of what happens, but as unwelcome as political chaos is if there are such difficult issues to resolve they have to happen, and best case scenario society as a whole learns something from it and on balance it all works out. That isn't inevitable of course, but there is a moment to seize. Even if we end up remaining, things are not going to be the same as they were before - it's like the Restoration in that regard; sure, superficially many fundamental details look like they haven't changed and what was the point of 20 years of suffering, but the echoes from those years were felt long after.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
No David. You voted to leave and unless you are a complete idiot, which I happen to know you are not, you knew, because you had thought it through, that exactly where we are now was always a likely scenario as a result of your actions.
That's a fair cop. It was never going to be easy. We were too divided, our involvement in the EU was much, much deeper than our political class ever let on, the economic advantages of the SM and CU are considerable and desirable, replacing them with something almost as good raised too many questions about the EU's very raison d'etre, even now so much can go wrong. If Merkel had given Cameron the emergency break on immigration he needed it would never have happened. Hey ho.
Verily, brother. Verily.
If we Brexit, I suspect in about 15-20 years it will be the EU that regrets it, more than the UK
It would have needed minimal movement from them, and all this grief would have been avoided.
This may seem silly now, but the whole Brexit exercise may be beneficial in the long run. Hopefully voters will look closer at politicians in future and ask harder questions. Ever closer union will be stopped for us. The pain of leaving the EU may make Scotland think twice about the Union. We may decide to focus on policies for people in this rapidly changing World. One can hope.
I'm not sure how you voted in the EU ref, but in any case you surely must have noticed that Remainers and even more Leavers very much framed voting either way as pursuing a policy for people in this rapidly changing world? They're still doing it now.
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
That was my view two weeks ago.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
It's possible. Boris really seemed to be playing at these negotiations at the start but he probably knew they wouldn't get serious until the end. I can't see how he ever believed he was going to get no deal past the Commons. It would be irrational to have thought that. He is many things, mendacious, untrustworthy, a terrible husband, etc etc. Stupid is not one of them.
I'm not sure that means much. Intelligent people do stupid things all the time.
Undoubtedly. But Boris is not just intelligent, he is a politician to his fingertips. He must have known that no deal was never going to happen.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
No one voted wanting this mess, but our votes opened up to the potential of this mess, even if too many discounted even the possibility of such mess and others, like me, miscalculated just how big a mess it would become.
But anyone voting for 'this mess' seems pretty irrelevant, it has to be dealt with somehow, and that probably won't be in a way that most wanted at the start of all this.
Forty years of a stealthy transfer of power by a Europhile elite, afeared of set-backs if they asked for popular consent - that is what has caused this mess. This is what made the vote inevitable. For decades our political elite refused to tell the truth about the EU project. It is, and always has been, about ever closer union. All this shite about a nicer trading relationship and treaties changing how countries are ruled being mere “tidying up exercises” and “no EU army” are what caused this. Politicians on the continent are open about it and so people deal with it. When you have decades of lies after lies then the people will reject you and mistrust anything you say. If our politicians had been honest maybe we would be contented and positive members of the EU. Maybe we would never have joined or left in 75. Instead our politicians denied the truth and blamed the EU for their own fuckups and went over to Brussels to “get a better deal” whilst knowing it was a single track line. If those who voted remain are angry then they should be blaming the politicians who lied for decades about the reality of the European Union, not those who had enough of being treated like mugs by those they voted for. Rant over.
I think there is very little reason to think this outline of a deal will get through the Commons. Remain will think that if it can see off this deal it will probably win. In truth Remain has a majority in parliament; in my view this includes the DUP; the DUP will also think that the deal suggested speeds up Irish reunification. There is a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet.
True, and we are probably just back at the 'deal optimism' part of the Brexit cycle, but until the DUP and spartans, and their bedfellows the Labour leavers, officially declare they cannot back a Boris deal (at least they have the grace to wait for it to be a thing before making a formal judgement, even if all sides tend to respond within minutes of an announcement) it's understandable that people hope that this time things have changed.
I come down to the two question of which path is easier for the various groupings of MPs, particularly knowing an extension is on the cards regardless?
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
there's always been a border in the Irish sea. The clue is in the name. Legal borders are a different matter of course. I've said it before and I'll say it again. What were unionists doing in voting to leave? If they wanted to re-impose a border in Ireland then it would have at least made sense. Their leaders should hang their heads in shame.
It’s seems to me Boris and Cummings of desperate for a deal, any deal, because they don’t have a plan B.
It also seems certain whatever comes out the tunnel doesn’t get through parliamentary scrutiny. It’s going to have to by pass parliamentary scrutiny with some sort of quick bounce.
Popcorn for super Saturday. What time does the rugby kick off
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
That's bonkers. This is far worse than TMay's deal last spring.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
If the movement is genuinely in a direction they wanted, absolutely they would deserve credit for that. I for one never thought they'd get anything significant, it will be fascinating to see if they have, or if there's figleafs sold as significant, or a return to something presented as unreasonable previously.
It’s seems to me Boris and Cummings of desperate for a deal, any deal, because they don’t have a plan B.
It also seems certain whatever comes out the tunnel doesn’t get through parliamentary scrutiny. It’s going to have to by pass parliamentary scrutiny with some sort of quick bounce.
Popcorn for super Saturday. What time does the rugby kick off
I was one once. But the behaviour of remain since the referendum has alienated me (and, seemingly, much of the public).
If Boris puts together a reasonable deal against the so called odds as reported in the Guardian then we'll soon find out who the good guys are. Those who feared no deal yet oppose the latest potential deal clearly only care for chaos and making a name for themselves rather than the National Good. (I'll excuse the hard left and SNP from that as by default they would never approve any Tory deal)
The national good was never about leaving it’s only benefiting a few tax avoiding billionaires it won’t be long before the man on the Hartlepool omnibus finds out he’s been conned.
That is the only hope you have. Poisoning the well. Salting the fields.
You're going to be disappointed.
No I won’t be, I’ll be better off financially than I have been for the last three years and hopefully the government won’t continue to piss off EU citizens in the UK. Maybe one day you will be able to tell me what benefit all this has been about without resorting to ridiculous claims about non existent loss of sovereignty and the wonderful future we now face.
You'll have to start campaigning to REJOIN!
I have! Fighting with Plaid for an independent Wales in the EU. A way to go yet but just imagine all those Social Fund grants they give to economic basket case new members!
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
That was my view two weeks ago.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
It's possible. Boris really seemed to be playing at these negotiations at the start but he probably knew they wouldn't get serious until the end. I can't see how he ever believed he was going to get no deal past the Commons. It would be irrational to have thought that. He is many things, mendacious, untrustworthy, a terrible husband, etc etc. Stupid is not one of them.
He is also malign of course - a lower form of life indeed.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Do you really think he has though? The differences look minimal and quite tokenistic to me from what we have seen so far. Its back to an earlier version of May's deal that the DUP rejected but with a bit more thought applied to the practicalities of NI. And the price we have paid in our politics, our economy and even in our Constitution has been very high.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Obviously you’re happy for NI to be in the EU in all but name without representation then.
The Benn Act was a ridiculous mistake. If we don't get this over the line that will be why.
That was my view two weeks ago.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
It's possible. Boris really seemed to be playing at these negotiations at the start but he probably knew they wouldn't get serious until the end. I can't see how he ever believed he was going to get no deal past the Commons. It would be irrational to have thought that. He is many things, mendacious, untrustworthy, a terrible husband, etc etc. Stupid is not one of them.
I'm not sure that means much. Intelligent people do stupid things all the time.
Undoubtedly. But Boris is not just intelligent, he is a politician to his fingertips. He must have known that no deal was never going to happen.
I'm sure he didn't, and his attempt to get an election makes it clear what the plan A was. Plan B on what to do if no deal is ruled out and you cannot get an election is what he didn't plan for, other than to state how much we are leaving come what may to encourage BXPers.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
That's bonkers. This is far worse than TMay's deal last spring.
If only I'd kept that tweet just after the leadership election which said - can we just skip to the part whereby the only deal that is available is May's WA.
But this isn't the WA. That kept the entire UK in a customs union with no exit clause. This agreement keeps GB out entirely, and NI out legally with the right to exit out of the administrative side too. It is completely untrue to say this is the same as May's deal.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Obviously you’re happy for NI to be in the EU in all but name without representation then.
That was Philip_Thompson's objection to the backstop! (albeit not one shared by BoJo and co).
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Obviously you’re happy for NI to be in the EU in all but name without representation then.
That was Philip_Thompson's objection to the backstop! (albeit not one shared by BoJo and co).
there's always been a border in the Irish sea. The clue is in the name. Legal borders are a different matter of course. I've said it before and I'll say it again. What were unionists doing in voting to leave? If they wanted to re-impose a border in Ireland then it would have at least made sense. Their leaders should hang their heads in shame.
The hard border is what they wanted and it’s backfired because now whatever deal they agree to will be trashed by the UUP .
And any sort of border would see calls for a border poll within the next few years . A majority in NI support the backstop. In polls a majority of unionists wanted a softer Brexit.
The DUP do not speak for NI and are ignoring the majority . They have played and lost and deserve everything coming to them.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
y opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Obviously you’re happy for NI to be in the EU in all but name without representation then.
It is not in the EU in all but name. It is legally part of the UK's Customs Union and will benefit from tariff reductions in FTAs agreed with other countries. It also has representation as it can choose to exit the administrative setup every four years.
there's always been a border in the Irish sea. The clue is in the name. Legal borders are a different matter of course. I've said it before and I'll say it again. What were unionists doing in voting to leave? If they wanted to re-impose a border in Ireland then it would have at least made sense. Their leaders should hang their heads in shame.
The DUP do not speak for NI and are ignoring the majority . They have played and lost and deserve everything coming to them.
Likely continuing as the largest party in Northern Ireland?
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
That's bonkers. This is far worse than TMay's deal last spring.
Define "worse".
If you mean its less BINO than May's deal then I agree, and I see why a Lib Dem such as yourself may not be happy with such movement but that's exactly what the Spartans wanted and it looks like Boris could have achieved.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Do you really think he has though? The differences look minimal and quite tokenistic to me from what we have seen so far. Its back to an earlier version of May's deal that the DUP rejected but with a bit more thought applied to the practicalities of NI. And the price we have paid in our politics, our economy and even in our Constitution has been very high.
We'll see soon enough.
I think he inevitably will have. For one thing the issue of consent seems to have been accepted as important by the other side when it wasn't even regarded as an issue at all when May was in charge.
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
We voted to leave. The fact that the tossers who constitute our political class thought that they knew better and insisted that we negotiated with both hands and a leg tied behind our backs whilst cheering on the other side at every opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
That's bonkers. This is far worse than TMay's deal last spring.
Have you seen the deal?
Although this is your blog your comments, im afraid, are nowadays heavily compromised by your partisanship.
This place is gonna be like a wake come the weekend.
A wake for the woke.
All the “dangerous no deal” speeches will need to be rapidly rewritten. I guess we get Corbyn’s “disastrous Tory Brexit” (the answer to which is presumably “let’s have an election”) and then the first “we must rejoin” speeches. A whole new script!
So Boris is going to have a deal which will involve the EU having moved quite significantly (and him as well of course) to bring to the Commons on Saturday. Will the fanatics who hold the majority in Parliament really have the balls to reject a second deal from the EU? It's possible but the pressure this time is immense.
Boris has achieved what May didn't, a sense of momentum and a genuinely cliff edge moment at which Parliament is going to have to decide just how much contempt they have for their employers. The answer of course is plenty but enough? That would be ballsy.
For the first time in some months I am starting to believe that this is possible again.
Yes, indeed. Well put.
Any MP that votes down this deal is saying a big F You to British voters, and not just Leave voters.
No matter how you spin it, that will look bad.
And if the result is No Deal, or civil war, then it will look even badderer,
It's a whites-of-their-eyes time.
That was true when they repeatedly voted down May’s deal, but Johnson, Baker, Francois etc didn’t care then.
It’s breathtakingly cynical to go to an earlier draft of the deal before May extracted concessions and say ‘now we can vote for it.’
The EU must be scarce able to believe their luck.
Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now. Right now.
"Easiest deal in human history"
"They need us more than we need them"
"Who cares? We need a deal and we need it now"
No-one voted for this mess.
y opportunity is not the fault of those who voted to leave.
The people driving the leave vote were the same people that hamstrung May by forcing her into undeliverable red lines.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
Obviously you’re happy for NI to be in the EU in all but name without representation then.
It is not in the EU in all but name. It is legally part of the UK's Customs Union and will benefit from tariff reductions in FTAs agreed with other countries. It also has representation as it can choose to exit the administrative setup every four years.
The DUP do not speak for NI and are ignoring the majority . They have played and lost and deserve everything coming to them.
I'm no fan of the DUP and I don't mean to come over all HYUFD on you, because there's precious little Northern Ireland polling, but what little NI polling that we have seen all still gives the DUP a lead, although the most recent polls do have the DUP down on the most recent comparable election.
There is plenty of blame to go around and the Spartans have more than their share of it.
If Boris has delivered real movement on the deal then the Spartans deserve credit for not settling months ago.
That's bonkers. This is far worse than TMay's deal last spring.
Define "worse".
If you mean its less BINO than May's deal then I agree, and I see why a Lib Dem such as yourself may not be happy with such movement but that's exactly what the Spartans wanted and it looks like Boris could have achieved.
Well, we don't know the full details yet. But it seems from the tea leaves that Northern Ireland is becoming less a part of the UK and more a part of the EU than under Mrs May's deal, but that is balanced by the WA containing provisions for the Northern Irish to remove themselves from the (don't call it a) backstop.
I applaud the latter, but feel it could have been achieved with the existing May WA.
The irony out of all of this is that Northern Ireland would probably have (eventually) left the backstop under May's proposals. But I suspect never will under Johnson's.
The DUP do not speak for NI and are ignoring the majority . They have played and lost and deserve everything coming to them.
I'm no fan of the DUP and I don't mean to come over all HYUFD on you, because there's precious little Northern Ireland polling, but what little NI polling that we have seen all still gives the DUP a lead, although the most recent polls do have the DUP down on the most recent comparable election.
The UUP are going to shout betrayal which could effect them in a general election . And any Stormont election if that place ever opens again will likely see losses for them .
Sterling continuing to rise. Goldmans telling traders to cover their sterling shorts.
As a Goldman Sachs alum, I think what you meant to say was "Goldman Sachs FX Strategist xxx advises clients and traders to close sterling shorts."
There will be hundreds of traders at Goldman with sterling positions - some will be long, some will be short. Management doesn't tell traders what positions they run*.
I have no position on Northern Ireland's place in the UK/Ireland. I've never been there and I have precisely zero fucks to give about whether it stays or goes. But. Every time I see DUP folk speak I can't help but to root a little for Sinn Fein. I mean, I know there are good people in other unionist parties. Hell, there might even be some humans in the DUP itself. But gods what a dreadful sack of anuses the DUP are.
I have no position on Northern Ireland's place in the UK/Ireland. I've never been there and I have precisely zero fucks to give about whether it stays or goes. But. Every time I see DUP folk speak I can't help but to root a little for Sinn Fein. I mean, I know there are good people in other unionist parties. Hell, there might even be some humans in the DUP itself. But gods what a dreadful sack of anuses the DUP are.
I grew up in Northern Ireland and happen to be here at the moment [Disclaimer: It is pure chance that @HYUFD is here and I am certain is nowhere near me ]
The DUP are, IMO, crazed. They also seem to be losing support.
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And she might quite relish sticking it to Arlene who loved having her (Theresa) on the rack for two years.
But now I wonder if the Benn Act has forced Johnson to move quicker than he would otherwise have done so as to get a (broad) agreement in place before the mandated "ask for an extension" date.
Is it a sign he’s an EU plant?
If we Brexit, I suspect in about 15-20 years it will be the EU that regrets it, more than the UK
It would have needed minimal movement from them, and all this grief would have been avoided.
The EU basically told him to go forth and multiply, but Cameron should have been smarter with how he went about things.
Blame them for this disaster. One of them is PM now, start there.
So a one month extension on proviso that the WAIB is passed before 30 November , a longer one kicks in if that isn’t passed .
They could also add there will be no further extensions, that’s it .
The final extension at least brings things to an end .
I think you're right - there has to be finality eventually, but the longer extension would have to have a reason I think. Not just "come back again" with whatever Government you've got and we'll do this all over again.
BORIS needs a deal to avoid the embarrassment of asking for an extension. The UK doesn't need a deal - not a Boris deal anyway.
The EU would like the Brexit farce to be over, but it doesn't care about Boris's possible embarrassment. Its priority is that ANY deal proposed by the UK meets the needs and rules of the EU.
That way he’s got a partial victory. I don’t see any way that he can meet the October 31 st deadline .
What’s being argued over tonight is the outlines of a deal not the legal text .
Hopefully this will not take 20 years!
This is what made the vote inevitable. For decades our political elite refused to tell the truth about the EU project. It is, and always has been, about ever closer union. All this shite about a nicer trading relationship and treaties changing how countries are ruled being mere “tidying up exercises” and “no EU army” are what caused this. Politicians on the continent are open about it and so people deal with it. When you have decades of lies after lies then the people will reject you and mistrust anything you say. If our politicians had been honest maybe we would be contented and positive members of the EU. Maybe we would never have joined or left in 75. Instead our politicians denied the truth and blamed the EU for their own fuckups and went over to Brussels to “get a better deal” whilst knowing it was a single track line.
If those who voted remain are angry then they should be blaming the politicians who lied for decades about the reality of the European Union, not those who had enough of being treated like mugs by those they voted for.
Rant over.
I come down to the two question of which path is easier for the various groupings of MPs, particularly knowing an extension is on the cards regardless?
It also seems certain whatever comes out the tunnel doesn’t get through parliamentary scrutiny. It’s going to have to by pass parliamentary scrutiny with some sort of quick bounce.
Popcorn for super Saturday. What time does the rugby kick off
And any sort of border would see calls for a border poll within the next few years . A majority in NI support the backstop. In polls a majority of unionists wanted a softer Brexit.
The DUP do not speak for NI and are ignoring the majority . They have played and lost and deserve everything coming to them.
If you mean its less BINO than May's deal then I agree, and I see why a Lib Dem such as yourself may not be happy with such movement but that's exactly what the Spartans wanted and it looks like Boris could have achieved.
I think he inevitably will have. For one thing the issue of consent seems to have been accepted as important by the other side when it wasn't even regarded as an issue at all when May was in charge.
If consent has been dealt with I'll be happier.
Although this is your blog your comments, im afraid, are nowadays heavily compromised by your partisanship.
Magnificent!
I applaud the latter, but feel it could have been achieved with the existing May WA.
The irony out of all of this is that Northern Ireland would probably have (eventually) left the backstop under May's proposals. But I suspect never will under Johnson's.
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1184167034868895745
There will be hundreds of traders at Goldman with sterling positions - some will be long, some will be short. Management doesn't tell traders what positions they run*.
* With some exceptions.
The pressure is brexit deal falling simply because DUP votes don’t support it.
Rugby 0845, what time the order papers waved for the commons kick off?
Nasty scenes in Barcelona.
This is not over.
And if they didn't, whither now the "will of the people"?
Plane landed safely but sounds like they foamed the runway before landing and the plane afterwards - he was told 2 hydraulic systems failed.
Had to adopt emergency position and lots of drama and tears on board
https://order-order.com/2019/10/15/antoinette-sandbach-deselected/
Completely foamed the plane and then asked, would you like a shave sir?
The DUP are, IMO, crazed. They also seem to be losing support.