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There'll be 3+ debate polls tonight
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  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Madeira it is ....
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    JackW said:

    Madeira it is ....

    I assume you'll be rooting for Mr Farage

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Have you had a punt Mike ?
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Do you think he'll mention the gay sandstorms?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    When will Dimblebore retire? Obviously nobody has the guts to sack the old codger.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Abysmal performance by Nick Clegg.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    The Guardian will be running an ICM poll after tonight's debate.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/apr/02/farage-v-clegg-the-debate-for-europe-politics-live-blog
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeSmithson said:

    JackW said:

    Madeira it is ....

    I assume you'll be rooting for Mr Farage

    I'm rooting for the winner ....

    Mrs JackW and I are having something of a novelty tonight .... (make your own jokes there) .... it's called a TV diner ....

    Apparently one serves the plated meal on a tray with cutlery and places the tray carefully on ones lap whilst seated in front of the idiot box.

    Quite extraordinary ....

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2014
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    When will Dimblebore retire? Obviously nobody has the guts to sack the old codger.

    I don't think Auntie can afford the pay-off, - much cheaper to wait for him to fall off the perch.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited April 2014
    FPT
    My fear for Farage has been that he has not invested enough effort into preparing his case and points ahead of the debates. We will shortly see if Farage has invested the effort. If he went for Clegg would it be on the "trust" matter? Take the tuition u-turn and add in all the duplicity and back stabbing that the LDs have done in coalition? I doubt that he will.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2014
    FPT

    @JackW

    I'm all a quiver in anticipation ....

    My tenterhooks are in a laver of discombobulation ....

    Yes a decision has to made .....

    I must debate - madeira or port for after dinner libation ....

    Choices .. choices .. choices ..


    Have some madeira, m'dear. You really have nothing to fear.
    I'm not trying to tempt you, that wouldn't be right,
    You shouldn't drink spirits at this time of night.
    Have some madeira, m'dear. It's really much nicer than beer.
    I don't care for sherry, one cannot drink stout,
    And port is a wine I can well do without...
    It's simply a case of chacun a son gout
    Have some madeira, m'dear.


  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Are there odds on the audience figures?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    FPT

    Ladbrokes constituency odds are currently giving the following numbers:

    Lab 305
    Con 278
    LD 38
    SNP 7

    Lab short of majority by 21 seats.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    FPT

    @AveryLP and @SimonStClare

    Thank you.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    Farage monstering Clegg!
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited April 2014
    Re Putin - and earlier Lord Ashcroft tweet:

    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/04/02/case-ukip-putin/
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    This debate is a disaster for Ed Miliband. Terrible performance by him. Car crash.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    JackW said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    JackW said:

    Madeira it is ....

    I assume you'll be rooting for Mr Farage

    I'm rooting for the winner ....

    Mrs JackW and I are having something of a novelty tonight .... (make your own jokes there) .... it's called a TV diner ....

    Apparently one serves the plated meal on a tray with cutlery and places the tray carefully on ones lap whilst seated in front of the idiot box.

    Quite extraordinary ....

    Awkward for the staff. Or are they watching in the scullery?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Hash of a hashtag for the debate.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    "muppets" and "dunce" surely odds on...is there a market?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I know I shouldn't laugh, but...!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10739277/Device-exploded-in-bombers-face-after-he-forgot-about-clocks-changing.html
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Was Clegg staring at the wrong camera on purpose?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    19:02: - Nigel Farage has won a toss of a coin and is speaking first.

    1:0 to Farage.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Great victory for Clegg in #europedebate Oh wait the clocks have changed, sorry, will repost in an hour.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Farage railing against "big business"... another sign he's moving UKIP to a Front National-type leftwing populist economic platform. A very smart move considering his potential voters' views.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    They're not laugh a minute guys are they?

    I mean we don't want Les Dawson reprised but a bit of humour would make them seem a bit more human, less shrill, less automaton-like.

    Do these people not have lifestyle coaches? They've both had a personality bypass.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    AndyJS said:

    FPT

    Ladbrokes constituency odds are currently giving the following numbers:

    Lab 305
    Con 278
    LD 38
    SNP 7

    Lab short of majority by 21 seats.

    Make that 7.5 SNP and 37.5 Lib Dem. The SNP just went joint FAV in Gordon today. (11/8)
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I think Clegg's been told *more passion*.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    GO NIGEL

    GO NIGEL

    GO NIGEL
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    The problem for Nick Clegg is, no matter how effective his debating style might be on its own merits, it reminds people of his performance in the 2010 debates....and his performance in the 2010 debates is forever associated with the "betrayal" in the immediate aftermath.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    It's incredible that Clegg's ostrich faction of spinners still don't realise that a Blair impersonation just puts off voters now. The hand gestures, the oily delivery, 'the HARD working people' style cadences in the platitudes. If Clegg wants to be seen as something other than a career politician with no principles, imitating Blair is hardly going to do it.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Looks like the podia layout changed to encourage them to respond to each other more. Though Farage looks like he's in the chair being in the centre.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    JackW said:


    Mrs JackW and I are having something of a novelty tonight .... (make your own jokes there) .... it's called a TV diner ....

    Apparently one serves the plated meal on a tray with cutlery and places the tray carefully on ones lap whilst seated in front of the idiot box.

    Interesting. Where does one place the decanter?
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    As expected it has turned into an attack on Farage over Putin.... marvelous distraction job by the europhiles.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    really really really boring.

    It is nothing about substance all about whether you like one or the other and that is determined in the first minute.

    Neither are relaxed (fair enough) which has resulted in a wooden, humourless, shrill, shouty performance from both.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Turning into a PMQs atmos.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @richard_nabavi

    They're not buying in what you would regard as nice areas of central London, but in Battersea and Fulham and Twickenham, where you don't need a million quid to get a reasonable flat (and there are two earners, no children, probably).

    You'd be shocked. I just looked at Prince of Wales Drive - what I regard as nice Battersea. 3 bedroom flat, 1,650 square foot: £1.9 million. I nearly bought one 10 years ago for £565,000...

    http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/details/31101032?search_identifier=d8e3fafad406cc6fc38a1d53aeb62f23
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Oh dear, both getting bogged down in rubbish
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Nick being patronising and misleading.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    This is getting really angry, starting to worry one or both of them will say something that destroys them in the papers tomorrow.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @another_richard

    I didn't question (or didn't mean to question) the accuracy of your maths.

    However, your statistics are useless in determining the right response to the situation because there are two big anomalies that you refuse to adjust for.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited April 2014
    JackW said:

    Madeira it is ....

    Have some Madeira, my dear. A most agreeable year.

    edit: I see ALP beat me to it...
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Not as good as last week so far.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Dimbleby has twice picked on what Farage has said.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,694
    Quincel said:

    This is getting really angry, starting to worry one or both of them will say something that destroys them in the papers tomorrow.

    Hope it's Farage! But fear it'll be Clegg!

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Has anyone noticed Nige is wearing an Old Etonian tie?

    Perhaps he really is aiming for No. 10?
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Charles, there is also a disconnect in London from house price increases and residential rental rates (+1.6% in 2013).
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    Clegg sounding comically desperate already wittering about moon landings and conspiracies.

    Still, we had the 'pleasure' of seeing little Ed and Cammie banging on idiotically about dunces and muppets earlier so the labour and tory spinners rubbishing this will hardly be taken very seriously considering just how 'impressive' those two are.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Dimbleby has twice picked on what Farage has said.

    And on 'twitter' Auntie is running an instant rebuttal service - can you spot a theme..?

    FACTCHECKING 19:15: Emily Craig Political analyst, BBC News
    Nick Clegg says half of our exports are to Europe and we buy only 8% of what they sell. Official figures back this up. In 2013, UK exports totalled £304bn, with half (£153bn) going to the EU. We import around 9% of the goods exported within the EU - in 2012 it was £257bn of a total of £2,840bn.

    FACTCHECKING 19:12: Emily Craig Political analyst, BBC News
    This is the car industry report they were talking about. 58% of those surveyed said they wanted to stay in with reform. 34% would stay in regardless. 3% want to leave.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Thanks to Richard Nabavi for drawing the Putin bet to my attention. If only I could get that daily rate of interest every day.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Carola said:

    Turning into a PMQs atmos.

    Nothing of substance then. ;)
    Still massively more effective than a five minute PPB though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,089
    Farage terrible over Putin. Hideous.

    A bit of advice: when in a hole, stop digging.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Charles, there is also a disconnect in London from house price increases and residential rental rates (+1.6% in 2013).

    Yields getting crushed. People continue to buy as a safe haven rather than to make money.

    But I was chatting someone the other day. This shift to allow conversion from commercial to residential is bigger than I imagined. He is converting half of a small retail area into 4 flats - and the capital value has increased by £1m as a result. By the time he has done the rest he'll have made £3m clear profit on an investment of about £650,000 about 4 years ago.

    Thanks George!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I nearly bought one 10 years ago for £565,000...

    This isn;t a classic ballooon, in that many of the inflators of it are unleveraged wealthy foreigners looking for a bolthole. Increases in interest rates might not necessarily affect them.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @AveryLP

    Whilst on the madeira theme and filed under "one that got away" I was in an Edinburgh antique shop, many moons back, and I spotted some silver wine labels with one misspelt "medeira". I thought it simply a novelty and although very modestly priced I didn't buy it.

    Move on some years and these unusually spelt label make big bucks.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Just had a look at that Populus monthly summary. Very frightening findings for Lamont's hopeless Slabbers and Rennie's hopeless Con-merchants.

    Westminster voting intention - Scotland

    SNP 34% (+14)
    Lab 34% (-8)
    Con 18% (+1)
    LD 7% (-12)
    UKIP 3% (+2)
    Grn 2% (+1)

    Baxter:

    Lab 35 seats (-6 seats)
    SNP 20 seats (+14 seats)
    Con 2 seats (+1 seat)
    LD 2 seats (-9 seats)

    http://www.populus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/140401-Populus_FT-March-2014.pdf

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.pl?CON=18&LAB=34&LIB=7&NAT=34&region=AllScotland&boundary=2010&seat=All+Scotland+seats+majority-sorted
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Not sure talking about Elvis and moon landings was a good move from Clegg.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    Al-Beeb tickah leads 2-1 on "Dutchie" Clegg against Nigel "Protect my manor" Farage. Has anyone else noticed that Al-Beeb journalists are as reliable as a Puerto-Rican boxing-judge? *

    * No disrespect to Puerto-Rican boxing-judges....
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    SimonStClare said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Dimbleby has twice picked on what Farage has said.

    And on 'twitter' Auntie is running an instant rebuttal service - can you spot a theme..?
    +++++++++++
    Thanks for pointing that out. Dimbleby now addresses a follow up on Clegg on infrastructure for population growth.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sky News keeps cutting out for me. Anyone else?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Not following the worm but according to twitter reaction to bickering very negative for both.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    taffys said:

    I nearly bought one 10 years ago for £565,000...

    This isn;t a classic ballooon, in that many of the inflators of it are unleveraged wealthy foreigners looking for a bolthole. Increases in interest rates might not necessarily affect them.

    That's why it is so difficult to judge when it will deflate. Ghost towns like my area are much more likely.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Clegg's stats are horrendously misleading. Deliberately mixing Manchester and Greater Manchester, comparing British trade to total EU trade in percentage terms. For a straight talker he's deliberately trying to trick people with stats he knows are misleading.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    It's going to be fairly shouty all the way through. I still expect Dimblebore to try to wrongfoot one of them sooner or later with some left-field question.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Nobody watching @ Toms towers---wouldn't if could---but it's fun reading the PB comments!
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited April 2014
    SimonStClare said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Dimbleby has twice picked on what Farage has said.

    And on 'twitter' Auntie is running an instant rebuttal service - can you spot a theme..?


    Selecitve quoting theme perhaps?

    FACTCHECKING
    19:10: Anthony Reuben Head of statistics, BBC News Nigel Farage says "they sell us more than we sell them". In 2013 the UK's exports to the EU totalled £154bn while we imported £218bn worth of goods.

    FACTCHECKING
    19:26: Emily Craig Political analyst, BBC News Nick Clegg says there aren't 29 million people living in Romania and Bulgaria. The World Bank puts the figure at 28.6 million. I think we might let UKIP round up.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I think the comedy circuit is safe post 2015.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Clegg now turning a new attack on Farage as "turning back" on gay marriage etc....
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    I picked up on that.
    maaarsh said:

    Clegg's stats are horrendously misleading. Deliberately mixing Manchester and Greater Manchester, comparing British trade to total EU trade in percentage terms. For a straight talker he's deliberately trying to trick people with stats he knows are misleading.

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    IndyRef - best prices

    Yes 7/2 (various)
    No 1/4 (Betfair)
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    "Yes we do. Yes we do. Yes we do."

    *chortle*
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,707
    Stuart_Dickson said:

    Just had a look at that Populus monthly summary. Very frightening findings for Lamont's hopeless Slabbers and Rennie's hopeless Con-merchants.

    Westminster voting intention - Scotland

    SNP 34% (+14)
    Lab 34% (-8)
    Con 18% (+1)
    LD 7% (-12)
    UKIP 3% (+2)
    Grn 2% (+1)

    Baxter:

    Lab 35 seats (-6 seats)
    SNP 20 seats (+14 seats)
    Con 2 seats (+1 seat)
    LD 2 seats (-9 seats)

    http://www.populus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/140401-Populus_FT-March-2014.pdf

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.pl?CON=18&LAB=34&LIB=7&NAT=34&region=AllScotland&boundary=2010&seat=All+Scotland+seats+majority-sorted

    Tory seats doubling? PB surger!!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited April 2014
    JackW said:

    @AveryLP

    Whilst on the madeira theme and filed under "one that got away" I was in an Edinburgh antique shop, many moons back, and I spotted some silver wine labels with one misspelt "medeira". I thought it simply a novelty and although very modestly priced I didn't buy it.

    Move on some years and these unusually spelt label make big bucks.

    There is a rare variety of Madeira called "Rainwater", Jack.

    A silver wine label on an opaque decanter would be fun.

    A good way to be economical with the guests? Literally.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn

    "Interesting role reversal this week. Farage adopts Clegg's cool, calm, rational style - and Clegg is doing a shouty Farage. #europedebate"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://mobile.twitter.com/TimMontgomerie

    "Farage's anti-immigration, anti-war, anti-EU, anti-big business, anti-politician message undoubtedly will be / is very potent #europedebate"
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Danny565 said:

    Farage railing against "big business"... another sign he's moving UKIP to a Front National-type leftwing populist economic platform. A very smart move considering his potential voters' views.

    Farage definitely going for the WWC traditional labour vote tonight.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    "What steps would you take about climate change?"

    The proper kipper answer should be:

    "Unfurl and open my umbrella".
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    AveryLP said:

    JackW said:

    @AveryLP

    Whilst on the madeira theme and filed under "one that got away" I was in an Edinburgh antique shop, many moons back, and I spotted some silver wine labels with one misspelt "medeira". I thought it simply a novelty and although very modestly priced I didn't buy it.

    Move on some years and these unusually spelt label make big bucks.

    There is a rare variety of Madeira called "Rainwater", Jack.

    A silver wine label on an opaque decanter would be fun.

    A good way to be economical with the guests?

    A Scotsman economical with the guests ??

    Shirley Shum Mishtake !!

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,089
    Charles said:

    taffys said:

    I nearly bought one 10 years ago for £565,000...

    This isn;t a classic ballooon, in that many of the inflators of it are unleveraged wealthy foreigners looking for a bolthole. Increases in interest rates might not necessarily affect them.

    That's why it is so difficult to judge when it will deflate. Ghost towns like my area are much more likely.
    "Ghost towns"

    Just go to any scenic area of the country out of season (e.g. the Cornish coast, Derbyshire Peaks) and you will find ghost 'towns'. The rich buy holiday homes but can't face using them in winter.

    It's terrible for the young local populations who cannot afford to compete.

    F' the mansion tax. Tax - heavily - second homes and rented holiday homes. They do no social good and kill communities.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Another pathetic pre-planned attack about turning the clock back. Has he not noticed they go down like a bucket of cold sick?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    dodrade said:

    Danny565 said:

    Farage railing against "big business"... another sign he's moving UKIP to a Front National-type leftwing populist economic platform. A very smart move considering his potential voters' views.

    Farage definitely going for the WWC traditional labour vote tonight.
    In an OE tie, cut back starched collar and lightly pin-striped worsted suit?

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    At least the fop chicken is taking on more hefty matters than IN or OUT of Europe.

    David Cameron should take his own advice – and shut up about the England football shirts

    David Cameron agrees with Helen Grant: the new England football shirt is too expensive. Mrs Grant, the sports minister, said that the £90 price of the shirt by Nike “can’t be right”. The PM’s spokesman says: “He does agree with Helen Grant. I am sure all England fans would welcome a rethink.”

    Words fail me. Well, almost.

    Where to start with this? How best to explain just how lamentably stupid, cravenly populist and intellectually vacuous this is?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100265945/david-cameron-should-take-his-own-advice-and-shut-up-about-the-england-football-shirts/

    LOL
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Did Farage say Nigel Lawson was independent?
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    JosiasJessop said:

    Charles said:

    taffys said:

    I nearly bought one 10 years ago for £565,000...

    This isn;t a classic ballooon, in that many of the inflators of it are unleveraged wealthy foreigners looking for a bolthole. Increases in interest rates might not necessarily affect them.

    That's why it is so difficult to judge when it will deflate. Ghost towns like my area are much more likely.
    "Ghost towns"

    Just go to any scenic area of the country out of season (e.g. the Cornish coast, Derbyshire Peaks) and you will find ghost 'towns'. The rich buy holiday homes but can't face using them in winter.

    It's terrible for the young local populations who cannot afford to compete.

    F' the mansion tax. Tax - heavily - second homes and rented holiday homes. They do no social good and kill communities.
    The only point I would make is that it is the parents and grandparents of these young people who cant afford to buy houses in rural communities who chose to sell to city slickers at vastly inflated prices for a quick buck. They could have sold to local young people but the sight of London/SE £signs made them reach for the white settlers cash and turn their backs on their own young people. It is exactly the same up here in the Highlands.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    YES! Calamity Clegg now banging on about Independence. More please. Much, much more.
    It's almost as good as having Osbrowne or Cammie banging on about it. :)
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Clegg's problem is all his soundbites sound like they're written by and aimed at a small metropolitan elite.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    God Nick is going to force me to vote "Out" in 2017.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    So Farage is claiming the House of Commons library is lying?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Clegg on the ropes
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Clearly the BBC couldn't find anyone pro EU - the questions so far have been great for Farage. Interesting to see if they're storing up a 'gotcha' finale
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    With the first debate, I'd say it was pretty even, but of course as Farage and his opinions are more popular he was bound to win any poll on who 'won' the debate.

    This one, Clegg has gotten better as it goes on (well until the questions on EU bureacracy at least), but Farage is really doing well tonight and appreciably better than Clegg I think; I would very much expect Farage to 'win' the debate by a larger margin this time.

    However, that being said, there's a reason I put 'win' in inverted commas. I still don't think that harms Clegg, and in fact he's still won as well. It would be much better for him if he'd showed Farage up (but I don't see that happening in the last 15 minutes), but people who support the opinions Clegg is espousing are already in a minority, so him coming off worse in a head to head with Farage may well help galvanise those people a little - it might not, but as as been said before, the LDs are already facing a wipe out in the EU elections. There's literally nothing, however bad, he could say or do which would make the situation worse.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    corporeal said:

    Clegg's problem is all his soundbites sound like they're written by and aimed at a small metropolitan elite.

    Just as damaging his soundbites sound exactly like soundbites and are delivered exactly like soundbites.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    This is getting brutal for Clegg. I didn;t watch last week - was he this poor?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    They're calling each other liars now. The grownups were right to sit this out.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    https://mobile.twitter.com/TimMontgomerie

    "I liked Clegg's performance last week because he was reasonable. He's become nasty Nick this week and not so effective #europedebate"
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    maaarsh said:

    Clearly the BBC couldn't find anyone pro EU - the questions so far have been great for Farage. Interesting to see if they're storing up a 'gotcha' finale

    If they were pro-EU questions people would be claiming it was a sign of BBC bias. Since they're good questions for Farage...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Mick_Pork said:

    corporeal said:

    Clegg's problem is all his soundbites sound like they're written by and aimed at a small metropolitan elite.

    Just as damaging his soundbites sound exactly like soundbites and are delivered exactly like soundbites.
    Against almost any other politician than Farage, that would not be a noticable flaw, as it is endemic behaviour in the main parties. Clegg really struggling with these later questions - thank goodness for him in was a potential win-no lose scenario even if he gets whooped.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    Number of minds changed tonight... Zero.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Jonathan said:

    They're calling each other liars now. The grownups were right to sit this out.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeS9yHxMNO4

    Aye, right. ;)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    Farage.

    Winning here.
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