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Looks that way.Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
Thanks, and so long for the gropes.0 -
This Buzzfeed article speculates that, when it comes down to a choice between Boris extending or resigning, he will extend:Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-divide-brexit-october-310 -
Is there a single shred of evidence the EU will accept this? It sounds highly unlikely to me.0
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But we tried - are they so unreasonable?FrancisUrquhart said:
Has Boris booked the removal van yet? It doesn't matter what the new deal is, the EU will say no and even if they don't, of course parliament will.TGOHF2 said:twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179140682231025664?s=21
I mean really visibly unreasonable?0 -
If the election is after Brexit, then the LibDem's Rejoin position will very much not fire up the voters with enthusiasm.justin124 said:
Not entirely so. On the basis of UNS, even current polls would only produce fewer than 15 gains from the Tories and a mere handful from Labour - indeed only Sheffield Hallam looks a likely gain at Labour expense. Add a single gain from SNP - Fife NE - and that would take them to circa 30 seats. Personally, I expect them to fall back from current poll levels.rcs1000 said:
The LibDem seat number correlates pretty well in the post 1992 world with the Con-LD spread. If the number is 13-14 percentage points, as now, then that suggests they will end up with around 40-42 seats.justin124 said:
I agree - they will do well to reach 30 seats.surbiton19 said:For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.
Now, it may be that that spread blows out to 18-20 points, but you are taking a lot for granted in assuming it.0 -
Just reading the proposals .
One problem stands out Stormont . The issue is the DUP could in effect have a veto . I think they’d need to change something there to stop the petition of concern I think it’s called.
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I'm wondering whether Downing St have found some way for the PM to take us out of the EU with No Deal without having to wait until 31st October?rottenborough said:Johnson heading rapidly towards the rocks.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179140623548473350
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Still no winner of the Euromillions tonight. Must be clsoe to £200m on Friday.0
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Sure, but your whole argument is that the incerased concentration of LibDem votes that happened between 1992 and 2010 is not going to recur. And neither the data from polling nor the ballot box matches that.justin124 said:I have never attached much weight to EU elections - and this year both major parties largely abstained from them.Nor do I share the widespread assumption that the the next election will be dominated by Brexit. Many expected that in 2017 and were proved wrong. I also recall that at that election we held different views as to the likely outcome in Remain strongholds such as Cambridge.
If you want to argue that the LDs will subside to the low teens, or that Brexit will be less of a factor, then those would be perfectly reasonable views. But arguing that the LD vote share will become highly inefficient again, is an opinion without evidence.0 -
Quite possibly.GIN1138 said:
I'm wondering whether Downing St have found some way for the PM to take us out of the EU with No Deal without having to wait until 31st October?rottenborough said:Johnson heading rapidly towards the rocks.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179140623548473350
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/11791410802368634880 -
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179140682231025664
Time for HoC to take back control and end this.0 -
From the briefing of Boris speech,Danny565 said:
This Buzzfeed article speculates that, when it comes down to a choice between Boris extending or resigning, he will extend:Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-divide-brexit-october-31
"The prime minister will use his speech at the Tory conference in Manchester to vow that “we can, we must and we will” quit the European Union by the Halloween deadline agreed earlier this year."
If he then extended, after all the surrender act stuff and then standing up in the biggest speech saying the above...then in a week he says nahhh actually not going to, he will be toast and so would the Tories.0 -
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When it hits £350m we can give it to the NHS.MarqueeMark said:Still no winner of the Euromillions tonight. Must be clsoe to £200m on Friday.
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If so we could have exited the EU by Friday then?ozymandias said:
Quite possibly.GIN1138 said:
I'm wondering whether Downing St have found some way for the PM to take us out of the EU with No Deal without having to wait until 31st October?rottenborough said:Johnson heading rapidly towards the rocks.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179140623548473350
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179141080236863488
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Election in November?Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/GraemeDemianyk/status/1179139810239434752
Go straight to VONC, do not pass go...0 -
Though the Remain backlash should do the LDs alright.MarqueeMark said:
If the election is after Brexit, then the LibDem's Rejoin position will very much not fire up the voters with enthusiasm.justin124 said:
Not entirely so. On the basis of UNS, even current polls would only produce fewer than 15 gains from the Tories and a mere handful from Labour - indeed only Sheffield Hallam looks a likely gain at Labour expense. Add a single gain from SNP - Fife NE - and that would take them to circa 30 seats. Personally, I expect them to fall back from current poll levels.rcs1000 said:
The LibDem seat number correlates pretty well in the post 1992 world with the Con-LD spread. If the number is 13-14 percentage points, as now, then that suggests they will end up with around 40-42 seats.justin124 said:
I agree - they will do well to reach 30 seats.surbiton19 said:For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.
Now, it may be that that spread blows out to 18-20 points, but you are taking a lot for granted in assuming it.
Meanwhile working class Leavers no longer need to vote Tory.
Double Whammy.0 -
Yeh, but Trump sends his congrats.TGOHF2 said:0 -
This is the end
Hold your breath and count to ten0 -
Kirk Douglas is 102.AlastairMeeks said:
I like both!Omnium said:
I have you down as a Tom Lehrer fan Mr Meeks. God, if only I wasn't!AlastairMeeks said:I doubt we’ll see @SouthamObserver for a little while. Someone confiscate the Leonard Cohen CDs.
Tom Lehrer is in that select category, alongside Clarissa Eden and Olivia de Havilland, of people still alive that you don’t expect to be (but are pleased that they are).0 -
Yep. Cummings has persuaded Johnson to blow his premiership to pieces in a mad dash against the wall.FrancisUrquhart said:
From the briefing of Boris speech,Danny565 said:
This Buzzfeed article speculates that, when it comes down to a choice between Boris extending or resigning, he will extend:Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-divide-brexit-october-31
"The prime minister will use his speech at the Tory conference in Manchester to vow that “we can, we must and we will” quit the European Union by the Halloween deadline agreed earlier this year."
If he then extended, after all the surrender act stuff and then standing up in the biggest speech saying the above...then in a week he says nahhh actually not going to, he will be toast and so would the Tories.
Bonkers.
And it seems wiser, older aides are not happy.0 -
Well that would be interesting. Just as valid a speculation as anything else.GIN1138 said:
If so we could have exited the EU by Friday then?ozymandias said:
Quite possibly.GIN1138 said:
I'm wondering whether Downing St have found some way for the PM to take us out of the EU with No Deal without having to wait until 31st October?rottenborough said:Johnson heading rapidly towards the rocks.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179140623548473350
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179141080236863488
Christ knows what all these “journalists” will tweet about after this all ends. Go back to proper journalism maybe.....0 -
Come in number 77, your time is up.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/GraemeDemianyk/status/1179139810239434752
Go straight to VONC, do not pass go...0 -
'This is not a blowjob', a sentiment we can all sympathise with.Ishmael_Z said:
Not his best, and in danger of creating a meme even more mind blowing boring than bloody Schrodinger's sodding fucking cat.Scott_P said:
And it has just occurred to me that that is French for "this is not a blowjob". Do we think naughty old Magritte intended that?0 -
Close to a week's worth of UK EU donations.MarqueeMark said:Still no winner of the Euromillions tonight. Must be clsoe to £200m on Friday.
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The EU will do their usual and say something like unacceptable deal, but we are always open to talk, but WA can't change (significantly) and all EU red lines must remain intact.TGOHF2 said:1 -
All too much for me. I need a lie down.0
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And congratulated by Trump.TGOHF2 said:0 -
When's Parliament proroguing again?
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Assuming that you're approving of Lehrer then wisdom prevails. Until you pointed it out I hadn't realised that Clarissa Eden was still alive. Wow!AlastairMeeks said:
I like both!Omnium said:
I have you down as a Tom Lehrer fan Mr Meeks. God, if only I wasn't!AlastairMeeks said:I doubt we’ll see @SouthamObserver for a little while. Someone confiscate the Leonard Cohen CDs.
Tom Lehrer is in that select category, alongside Clarissa Eden and Olivia de Havilland, of people still alive that you don’t expect to be (but are pleased that they are).
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"Greggs stockpiles pork for sausage rolls ahead of Brexit"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49890034
Those sausage rolls could be well-dodgy by 2020.0 -
Remainers seem very keen not even to hear what the EU thinks - much panicking ..0
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What about the vegan ones?Benpointer said:"Greggs stockpiles pork for sausage rolls ahead of Brexit"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49890034
Those sausage rolls could be well-dodgy by 2020.0 -
It reached it's maximum amount last Tuesday. If it is not won on Friday the money will be paid out next Tuesday (I think) with the jackpot given to the next prize level down until won.MarqueeMark said:Still no winner of the Euromillions tonight. Must be clsoe to £200m on Friday.
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https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1179109723796361218Danny565 said:When Old Liz can trust Boris isn't trying to get her to break the law again?
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He drinks his tea out of a mug with his own face on it? I bet even Byronic doesn’t do that.Scott_P said:0 -
Jimmy Carter is 95 today. First US president to reach that age.MarqueeMark said:
Kirk Douglas is 102.AlastairMeeks said:
I like both!Omnium said:
I have you down as a Tom Lehrer fan Mr Meeks. God, if only I wasn't!AlastairMeeks said:I doubt we’ll see @SouthamObserver for a little while. Someone confiscate the Leonard Cohen CDs.
Tom Lehrer is in that select category, alongside Clarissa Eden and Olivia de Havilland, of people still alive that you don’t expect to be (but are pleased that they are).0 -
These things are best done fast, I find. Still, thirty days to go: let's see what happens. For good or ill...MarqueeMark said:
That is very genereous, considering I was indulging in some mild trolling!viewcode said:@MarqueeMark , I note your remark on the previous thread about apologies from those who mocked you for saying that the EU would make further concessions. I am not aware of mocking you on that specific point (as opposed to generally, or on other points), but if I did and the concession eventuates and it gets passed by all parties before Oct 31st, then let me apologise in advance.
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I’ll pop by the drive through and get a load for the PB gang.FrancisUrquhart said:
What about the vegan ones?Benpointer said:"Greggs stockpiles pork for sausage rolls ahead of Brexit"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49890034
Those sausage rolls could be well-dodgy by 2020.0 -
I thought QS was still happening on 14th October and Parliament would prorogue for five days or so before as is usual practice?Danny565 said:
When Old Liz can trust Boris isn't trying to get her to break the law again?GIN1138 said:When's Parliament proroguing again?
That would make it likely to prorogue sometime towards the end of next week?0 -
Boris's Deal looks rather "Springtime for Hitler" to me. Something to offend everyone.
https://youtu.be/HPXHRX8Q2hs0 -
Isn't that because they had to buy him a non-disposable container after an aid had a freak out over having a single use coffee cup....I believe Byronic drinks his out of the racist Labour mug.IanB2 said:
He drinks his tea out of a mug with his own face on it? I bet even Byronic doesn’t do that.Scott_P said:0 -
I’m beginning to doubt whether, even at the sharp end of this process, the opposition are going to get their shit together.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179140682231025664
Time for HoC to take back control and end this.
While I appreciate everything can change in an EU negotiation at a late stage, the point seems to be approaching where (1) Boris has a stated final position, (2) the EU is still laughing at it and (3) Boris has no intention of asking for an extension. Which feels like the moment to act. While the courts may come to Remainers’ rescue again on point 3 - though presumably not until about Oct 22+ - a VONC and new govt feels a more watertight way of delivering their apparently unanimous key demand: avoiding a no deal Brexit.
I’m not sure what Boris’s plan is, but he’ll be massively emboldened in it if he realises he can still act with political impunity despite a -40 majority.
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Does seem that way.TGOHF2 said:Remainers seem very keen not even to hear what the EU thinks - much panicking ..
It won’t happen but maybe PB can put up a link to M&S if they do agree so new underwear can be bought with the minimum of disruption.0 -
Here's a second problemnico67 said:Just reading the proposals .
One problem stands out Stormont . The issue is the DUP could in effect have a veto . I think they’d need to change something there to stop the petition of concern I think it’s called.
https://twitter.com/ManufacturingNI/status/11791447239084851200 -
Gods... Bill Clinton won't reach that age until 2041.Nigelb said:
Jimmy Carter is 95 today. First US president to reach that age.MarqueeMark said:
Kirk Douglas is 102.AlastairMeeks said:
I like both!Omnium said:
I have you down as a Tom Lehrer fan Mr Meeks. God, if only I wasn't!AlastairMeeks said:I doubt we’ll see @SouthamObserver for a little while. Someone confiscate the Leonard Cohen CDs.
Tom Lehrer is in that select category, alongside Clarissa Eden and Olivia de Havilland, of people still alive that you don’t expect to be (but are pleased that they are).0 -
I think you are confusing Byronic with SeanT. One is an addled old drunk, the other an international male model.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't that because they had to buy him a non-disposable container after an aid had a freak out over having a single use coffee cup....I believe Byronic drinks his out of the racist Labour mug.IanB2 said:
He drinks his tea out of a mug with his own face on it? I bet even Byronic doesn’t do that.Scott_P said:4 -
More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.0 -
https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1179037477706682373Noo said:Byronic doesn't drink tea; it's champagne enemas all the way.
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Admittedly the Sun story goes against this, but I wouldn't have thought it would be a certainty that the Queen would go along with that after the last fiasco. She could quite rightly say that the government wouldn't lose anything by waiting until after 31st Oct for a QS, so as to avoid any risk of her getting even further dragged into politics.GIN1138 said:
I though QS was still happening on 14th October and Parliament would prorogue for five days or so before as is usual practice?Danny565 said:
When Old Liz can trust Boris isn't trying to get her to break the law again?GIN1138 said:When's Parliament proroguing again?
That would make it likely to prorogue sometime towards the end of next week?0 -
This does seem to be the plan. Having some kind of plan. No one can see it but either they are absolutely batshit crazy about to slam into the wall or they have this all thought out.GIN1138 said:
I'm wondering whether Downing St have found some way for the PM to take us out of the EU with No Deal without having to wait until 31st October?rottenborough said:Johnson heading rapidly towards the rocks.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179140623548473350
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/11791410802368634880 -
with a striking resemblance to an addled old drunk..Foxy said:
I think you are confusing Byronic with SeanT. One is an addled old drunk, the other an international male model.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't that because they had to buy him a non-disposable container after an aid had a freak out over having a single use coffee cup....I believe Byronic drinks his out of the racist Labour mug.IanB2 said:
He drinks his tea out of a mug with his own face on it? I bet even Byronic doesn’t do that.Scott_P said:0 -
Didn't we have similar doubts being aired in the run-up to the Benn Act being passed?Harris_Tweed said:
I’m beginning to doubt whether, even at the sharp end of this process, the opposition are going to get their shit together.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179140682231025664
Time for HoC to take back control and end this.
While I appreciate everything can change in an EU negotiation at a late stage, the point seems to be approaching where (1) Boris has a stated final position, (2) the EU is still laughing at it and (3) Boris has no intention of asking for an extension. Which feels like the moment to act. While the courts may come to Remainers’ rescue again on point 3 - though presumably not until about Oct 22+ - a VONC and new govt feels a more watertight way of delivering their apparently unanimous key demand: avoiding a no deal Brexit.
I’m not sure what Boris’s plan is, but he’ll be massively emboldened in it if he realises he can still act with political impunity despite a -40 majority.0 -
As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.0 -
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Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1179037477706682373Noo said:Byronic doesn't drink tea; it's champagne enemas all the way.
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One of the partners at my firm drinks tea out of a mug with a picture of him as a young man on it. The picture is unflattering and was dug out of archive on an office move, and so he claims to be doing it ironically, but his secretary tells us he loves it and absofuckinglutely is not doing it ironically.IanB2 said:
He drinks his tea out of a mug with his own face on it? I bet even Byronic doesn’t do that.Scott_P said:0 -
3 groups identified, the first led by Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab and Cummings says Boris must commit to deliver Brexit on 31st October even at the cost of losing a VONC.Danny565 said:
This Buzzfeed article speculates that, when it comes down to a choice between Boris extending or resigning, he will extend:Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-divide-brexit-october-31
The second group led by Justice Secretary Robert Buckland says the PM must accept the Benn Law and extend. A third group, supposedly 'pragmatists' say Boris can survive an extension having done everything to avoid it0 -
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JRM is on board.rcs1000 said:As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.0 -
... and the EU will reject it anyway because it breaks their red lines. A backstop that can be unilaterally cancelled is not a backstop.rcs1000 said:As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.0 -
I cannot quite get this "Get Brexit Done" mantra bollox...since Boris is really no longer PM..he is a sociopathic, lecherous, groping sack of flab running a cabal of acolytes who hold zero leverage in Parliament...why is anyone, I mean anyone (even Hyfud) listening to his pile of shyte?1
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So possible charges are:Nigelb said:More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.
* dodgy visa
* dodgy loans
* public money to pay for "private home visits"
* non-declaration of personal relationship with recipient of funding
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Can it be cancelled or is it just time limited ?Benpointer said:
... and the EU will reject it anyway because it breaks their red lines. A backstop that can be unilaterally cancelled is not a backstop.rcs1000 said:As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.
We’ve seen their red lines move anyway.
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Evidence?Noo said:
So possible charges are:Nigelb said:More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.
* dodgy visa
* dodgy loans
* public money to pay for "private home visits"
* non-declaration of personal relationship with recipient of funding
Did I miss anything?0 -
The EV of a ticket might be getting quite close to the price of a ticket.eek said:
It reached it's maximum amount last Tuesday. If it is not won on Friday the money will be paid out next Tuesday (I think) with the jackpot given to the next prize level down until won.MarqueeMark said:Still no winner of the Euromillions tonight. Must be clsoe to £200m on Friday.
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The drunkenness you detect of an evening in Byronic is simply his joie de vivre. True, it presents identically to Sean’s rampant insobriety but it is wholly different.eek said:
with a striking resemblance to an addled old drunk..Foxy said:
I think you are confusing Byronic with SeanT. One is an addled old drunk, the other an international male model.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't that because they had to buy him a non-disposable container after an aid had a freak out over having a single use coffee cup....I believe Byronic drinks his out of the racist Labour mug.IanB2 said:
He drinks his tea out of a mug with his own face on it? I bet even Byronic doesn’t do that.Scott_P said:-1 -
Yes, indeed, but the article speculates that, given Boris's only real consistent belief is that he should be PM, in the end he will choose extending the Brexit deadline (albeit with a lot of whingeing about "traitorous Remainers making me do this") over leaving office.HYUFD said:
3 groups identified, the first led by Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab and Cummings says Boris must commit to deliver Brexit on 31st October even at the cost of losing a VONC.Danny565 said:
This Buzzfeed article speculates that, when it comes down to a choice between Boris extending or resigning, he will extend:Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-divide-brexit-october-310 -
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So apart from Remainers, Labour leavers, Tory headbanger leavers, and the EU, everybody’s happy?Benpointer said:
... and the EU will reject it anyway because it breaks their red lines. A backstop that can be unilaterally cancelled is not a backstop.rcs1000 said:As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.
What tremendous progress Bozo has made.0 -
Well, I have none. I'm just asking about the extent of the allegations. Boris is innocent until proven guilty.ozymandias said:
Evidence?Noo said:
So possible charges are:Nigelb said:More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.
* dodgy visa
* dodgy loans
* public money to pay for "private home visits"
* non-declaration of personal relationship with recipient of funding
Did I miss anything?0 -
Love the idea of Philip Schofield as acting PM.Scott_P said:
Though given how ragtag and absurd the Rabble Alliance are becoming its more likely to become Rylan Clark-Neal instead.1 -
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Holly Willoughby would do me fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Love the idea of Philip Schofield as acting PM.Scott_P said:
Though given how ragtag and absurd the Rabble Alliance are becoming its more likely to become Rylan Clark-Neal instead.0 -
It may be good or bad but do we really think the EU is going to accept a fait accompli presented unilaterally at the last minute by a soon to be ex member state?rcs1000 said:As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.
Seems unlikely.0 -
Lock him up!Noo said:
So possible charges are:Nigelb said:More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.
* dodgy visa
* dodgy loans
* public money to pay for "private home visits"
* non-declaration of personal relationship with recipient of funding
Did I miss anything?0 -
It seems rather unfair to accuse this Paola woman of impropriety just because she once worked for Boris. And let's be clear, that's the insinuation in the story, she worked for Boris so her grant of the Visa must be dodgy. Nasty, unprincipled journalism not based on anything evidence relatedNigelb said:More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.0 -
Maybe. I think the MO so far has been “do the minimum we need to today” to frustrate No Deal, with the assumption there’s more road ahead and bigger things to do, which will be possible as parties recognise time is up. Given the fragility of the Rebel Alliance that’s understandable, but it does rely on them reading the game further ahead than Cummings.Benpointer said:
Didn't we have similar doubts being aired in the run-up to the Benn Act being passed?Harris_Tweed said:
I’m beginning to doubt whether, even at the sharp end of this process, the opposition are going to get their shit together.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179140682231025664
Time for HoC to take back control and end this.
While I appreciate everything can change in an EU negotiation at a late stage, the point seems to be approaching where (1) Boris has a stated final position, (2) the EU is still laughing at it and (3) Boris has no intention of asking for an extension. Which feels like the moment to act. While the courts may come to Remainers’ rescue again on point 3 - though presumably not until about Oct 22+ - a VONC and new govt feels a more watertight way of delivering their apparently unanimous key demand: avoiding a no deal Brexit.
I’m not sure what Boris’s plan is, but he’ll be massively emboldened in it if he realises he can still act with political impunity despite a -40 majority.
If Boris comes up with a wheeze, they’ll regret not doing more sooner (or polish their nails on the lapels, glad to have fulfilled their *actual* main priority of stopping Corbyn/Clarke/Swinson/AN Other becoming PM!)1 -
Innocent until proven guilty. But, gods, investigate this stuff.Foxy said:
Lock him up!Noo said:
So possible charges are:Nigelb said:More detail on the Arcuri story:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official
It does not smell good.
* dodgy visa
* dodgy loans
* public money to pay for "private home visits"
* non-declaration of personal relationship with recipient of funding
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This is why I think a change so as to give the Northern Ireland Assembly suzerainity is likely on the cards. The EU will believe that the NAI will never actually vote for the Province to leave the backstop, so they'll go for it. And we'll go for it, because it appears to make the backstop less rather than more permanent.Benpointer said:
... and the EU will reject it anyway because it breaks their red lines. A backstop that can be unilaterally cancelled is not a backstop.rcs1000 said:As an aside, the UK's offer is not a bad one. It has:
- customs checks away from the border
- a four year time limit
I think it may be amended to give the Northern Ireland assembly more power. (So, they could in theory remove themselves earlier, but can equally ask for for an extension.)
It may still be unacceptable to some headbangers. It will probably be unacceptable to Remainers. Labour Leavers will still probably oppose it because it's a Tory Brexit.0 -
If he does that he will be leaving office pretty swiftly as the Brexit Party would overtake the Tories in the polls, Tory MPs would then be forced to no confidence Boris and Dominic Raab would be elected new Tory leader by a landslide amongst the membershipDanny565 said:
Yes, indeed, but the article speculates that, given Boris's only real consistent belief is that he should be PM, in the end he will choose extending the Brexit deadline (albeit with a lot of whingeing about "traitorous Remainers making me do this") over leaving office.HYUFD said:
3 groups identified, the first led by Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab and Cummings says Boris must commit to deliver Brexit on 31st October even at the cost of losing a VONC.Danny565 said:
This Buzzfeed article speculates that, when it comes down to a choice between Boris extending or resigning, he will extend:Scott_P said:Given that this "new deal" seems designed to be shot down, by everybody, are we win the last week of BoZo's premiership?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/cabinet-divide-brexit-october-310 -
When you say “do me”......?Anabobazina said:
Holly Willoughby would do me fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Love the idea of Philip Schofield as acting PM.Scott_P said:
Though given how ragtag and absurd the Rabble Alliance are becoming its more likely to become Rylan Clark-Neal instead.-1 -
If he had a majority for it he could simply amend Exit Day in the Withdrawal Act.GIN1138 said:
I'm wondering whether Downing St have found some way for the PM to take us out of the EU with No Deal without having to wait until 31st October?rottenborough said:Johnson heading rapidly towards the rocks.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179140623548473350
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I’m fairly sure she wouldn’t.Harris_Tweed said:
When you say “do me”......?Anabobazina said:
Holly Willoughby would do me fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Love the idea of Philip Schofield as acting PM.Scott_P said:
Though given how ragtag and absurd the Rabble Alliance are becoming its more likely to become Rylan Clark-Neal instead.
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Comrade...the ragtag alliance have a Parliamentary majority and have control..Philip_Thompson said:
Love the idea of Philip Schofield as acting PM.Scott_P said:
Though given how ragtag and absurd the Rabble Alliance are becoming its more likely to become Rylan Clark-Neal instead.
Whatever Boris Johnson says means nowt.... that sociopathic piece of shit doesn't deserve anything else..his response with the Cox question, a young female who was horrifically murdered.....says it all about the man doesn't it?
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