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I was satirising the American (and sometimes British) fondness for droning.Noo said:
And never mind the fact that the camp contains hundreds and hundreds of innocent people. You know, humans who've done nothing wrong?Byronic said:
Bomb the camp, and kill them. They are all dronable targets, so it is just a case of doing en masse what we do to the individual.Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1178780959971274752
I think the phrase you're looking for is WHOOSH.0 -
What you on about?SunnyJim said:
Well the remainers have one of two options then...Gallowgate said:
No deal is unlawful without parliamentary approval remember.
1. The vote through whatever deal is brought back
Or,
2. Sign the surrender letter before a GE
They need to make a decision about which it is because they are doing one of them.
1. I doubt Boris will even bring back a deal.
2. The sitting PM will formally request an extension its as simple as that. If that is Boris then it will be him.0 -
Irrelevant, as you know.Anabobazina said:
Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Because Remainers are leveraging this to keep Britain in the EU. As you know, I think,another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.0 -
We broke it, we have to fix it.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well, now we have a new situation, that requires a new solution. It really is that simple.Gallowgate said:
We already solved this problem. Its called the European Union.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
No it isn’t. Northern Ireland just needs to be treated differently.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.0 -
The Gran Reserva Ghengis has arisen.Noo said:
And never mind the fact that the camp contains hundreds and hundreds of innocent people. You know, humans who've done nothing wrong?Byronic said:
Bomb the camp, and kill them. They are all dronable targets, so it is just a case of doing en masse what we do to the individual.Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/11787809599712747520 -
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It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
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You and your facts!!!!! Like they matter to committed Brexiteers.....Anabobazina said:
Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
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But it’s the Good Friday Agreement that’s the root of this constraint on sovereignty, not EU membership. England is not sovereign because it is in a union with other countries. It could regain sovereignty by giving up that union.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.0 -
Your glorious leader told us pre-referendum that the NI border would not change so it would be good if he listened to the will of the people.Luckyguy1983 said:
Irrelevant, as you know.Anabobazina said:
Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.1 -
Ok. I didn't detect the irony. I might have done had it come from someone other than you.Byronic said:
I was satirising the American (and sometimes British) fondness for droning.Noo said:
And never mind the fact that the camp contains hundreds and hundreds of innocent people. You know, humans who've done nothing wrong?Byronic said:
Bomb the camp, and kill them. They are all dronable targets, so it is just a case of doing en masse what we do to the individual.Scott_P said:BoZo's buddy Trump...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1178780959971274752
I think the phrase you're looking for is WHOOSH.0 -
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Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?0 -
So the United Kingdom has to dissolve itself, if it legally wishes to leave the European Union.williamglenn said:
But it’s the Good Friday Agreement that’s the root of this constraint on sovereignty, not EU membership. England is not sovereign because it is in a union with other countries. It could regain sovereignty by giving up that union.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.
That's like a turnkey telling me I am entirely free, and can leave the prison, but leaving the prison means I must snap off an arm, and possibly a leg, because of the shackles, sorry.
That is not freedom; we are no longer sovereign. We are worse off, in terms of sovereignty, than Scotland in the UK.
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The border used to be even more visible and consequential. People weren't happy about that. There was a violent conflict. As part of the peace agreement that ended that conflict both sides compromised by accepting the continued existence of the border for some purposes, it being rubbed out for others (such as citizenship), and for the principle that it might cease to exist entirely in the future.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
Now one side is proposing to increase the prominence of the border unilaterally, for example by creating a barrier to trade by the imposition of customs. Can you not see how that might reasonably piss off the other side?0 -
1. There will be a last chance deal for the remainers to reject with the awful optics for Labour that comes with that.Gallowgate said:
What you on about?
1. I doubt Boris will even bring back a deal.
2. The sitting PM will formally request an extension its as simple as that. If that is Boris then it will be him.
2. When remainers reject the government will resign and Corbyn (in all likelihood) will have to sign the surrender letter just prior to a GE.
Cummings has run rings round the remainers in parliament.
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What the Government appears to be suggesting (I haven't read the detail - has anyone?) is the absence of a hard border, but facilities away from the border for commercial vehicles that need to be cleared through customs to get that clearance. Not sure about anyone else, but as far as I was concerned this is what was envisaged from the beginning. I'm genuinely surprised by the apoplectic response, but oh well.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
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The Good Friday Agreement was approved in referenda by the people of Northern Ireland and the Republic. It can be revoked if the British government chooses.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.
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Whatever we're expecting, the government is still expecting 31/10 to be brexit day - they have advertised it five times in the ad breaks in the film I'm watching.
And since it's a film in which Rhianna has a cameo as a shape shifting alien, one can imagine they are going full spectrum here.0 -
Not a nice feeling is itByronic said:
So the United Kingdom has to dissolve itself, if it legally wishes to leave the European Union.williamglenn said:
But it’s the Good Friday Agreement that’s the root of this constraint on sovereignty, not EU membership. England is not sovereign because it is in a union with other countries. It could regain sovereignty by giving up that union.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.
That's like a turnkey telling me I am entirely free, and can leave the prison, but leaving the prison means I must snap off an arm, and possibly a leg, because of the shackles, sorry.
That is not freedom; we are no longer sovereign. We are worse off, in terms of sovereignty, than Scotland in the UK.0 -
Who cares if Corbyn requests an extension? Boris would have just willingly given the marxist the nuclear codes. That’ll play well.SunnyJim said:
1. There will be a last chance deal for the remainers to reject with the awful optics for Labour that comes with that.Gallowgate said:
What you on about?
1. I doubt Boris will even bring back a deal.
2. The sitting PM will formally request an extension its as simple as that. If that is Boris then it will be him.
2. When remainers reject the government will resign and Corbyn (in all likelihood) will have to sign the surrender letter just prior to a GE.
Cummings has run rings round the remainers in parliament.0 -
No, it's awful. And it has given me a new insight into the mindset of Scot Nats, to be honest.malcolmg said:
Not a nice feeling is itByronic said:
So the United Kingdom has to dissolve itself, if it legally wishes to leave the European Union.williamglenn said:
But it’s the Good Friday Agreement that’s the root of this constraint on sovereignty, not EU membership. England is not sovereign because it is in a union with other countries. It could regain sovereignty by giving up that union.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.
That's like a turnkey telling me I am entirely free, and can leave the prison, but leaving the prison means I must snap off an arm, and possibly a leg, because of the shackles, sorry.
That is not freedom; we are no longer sovereign. We are worse off, in terms of sovereignty, than Scotland in the UK.0 -
No matter what the proposal, the response would have been the same. The NI border isn’t a logistics problem, it’s a politics problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
What the Government appears to be suggesting (I haven't read the detail - has anyone?) is the absence of a hard border, but facilities away from the border for commercial vehicles that need to be cleared through customs to get that clearance. Not sure about anyone else, but as far as I was concerned this is what was envisaged from the beginning. I'm genuinely surprised by the apoplectic response, but oh well.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?SouthamObserver said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
This is why the GFA works.
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So are you saying violence is to be expected if one side is pissed off ?OblitusSumMe said:
The border used to be even more visible and consequential. People weren't happy about that. There was a violent conflict. As part of the peace agreement that ended that conflict both sides compromised by accepting the continued existence of the border for some purposes, it being rubbed out for others (such as citizenship), and for the principle that it might cease to exist entirely in the future.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
Now one side is proposing to increase the prominence of the border unilaterally, for example by creating a barrier to trade by the imposition of customs. Can you not see how that might reasonably piss off the other side?
Does that apply to other groups in other countries if they don't get what they want ?
And the Irish government increased the prominence of the border when it changed from mph to kmph.0 -
Quite. But it's right that the UK is making the effort.Sandpit said:
No matter what the proposal, the response would have been the same. The NI border isn’t a logistics problem, it’s a politics problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
What the Government appears to be suggesting (I haven't read the detail - has anyone?) is the absence of a hard border, but facilities away from the border for commercial vehicles that need to be cleared through customs to get that clearance. Not sure about anyone else, but as far as I was concerned this is what was envisaged from the beginning. I'm genuinely surprised by the apoplectic response, but oh well.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.1 -
No, the UK government could revoke the Good Friday Agreement’s legal provisions in UK law. It is not compatible with the Brexit the government envisages.Byronic said:
So the United Kingdom has to dissolve itself, if it legally wishes to leave the European Union.williamglenn said:
But it’s the Good Friday Agreement that’s the root of this constraint on sovereignty, not EU membership. England is not sovereign because it is in a union with other countries. It could regain sovereignty by giving up that union.Byronic said:
Therefore, Brexit is impossible, and we have - for some time - not been sovereign, in the most fundamental way, because europhile traitors handed over most of our sovereignty, without our permission.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
It would be nice if the europhile bien pensants occasionally acknowledged this undeniable consequence of our position, as they describe it.
That's like a turnkey telling me I am entirely free, and can leave the prison, but leaving the prison means I must snap off an arm, and possibly a leg, because of the shackles, sorry.
That is not freedom; we are no longer sovereign. We are worse off, in terms of sovereignty, than Scotland in the UK.
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The UK is free to leave the EU intact.Byronic said:So the United Kingdom has to dissolve itself, if it legally wishes to leave the European Union.
That's like a turnkey telling me I am entirely free, and can leave the prison, but leaving the prison means I must snap off an arm, and possibly a leg, because of the shackles, sorry.
That is not freedom; we are no longer sovereign. We are worse off, in terms of sovereignty, than Scotland in the UK.
But for domestic reasons it's a bad idea unless EITHER it can extract a concession from the EU that the EU is under treaty obligations to reject OR it leaves but stays within the SM/CU.
The UK now needs to make a choice:
1. don't leave at all,
2. leave without a deal and disrupt NI,
3. leave but stay closely aligned.
They're all bad options for various reasons. Choose.0 -
You’re a funny guy.Luckyguy1983 said:
Quite. But it's right that the UK is making the effort.Sandpit said:
No matter what the proposal, the response would have been the same. The NI border isn’t a logistics problem, it’s a politics problem.Luckyguy1983 said:
What the Government appears to be suggesting (I haven't read the detail - has anyone?) is the absence of a hard border, but facilities away from the border for commercial vehicles that need to be cleared through customs to get that clearance. Not sure about anyone else, but as far as I was concerned this is what was envisaged from the beginning. I'm genuinely surprised by the apoplectic response, but oh well.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Tories coming across as slightly weird at their conference on BBC2. So no change there.0
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Who cares if it's Corbyn who requests the extension?Gallowgate said:
Who cares if Corbyn requests an extension? Boris would have just willingly given the marxist the nuclear codes. That’ll play well.
Really?1 -
Apparently, for many years, the codes were simply 0000 0000. These days they have probably been upgraded to 1234 5678 or "password"...Gallowgate said:
Who cares if Corbyn requests an extension? Boris would have just willingly given the marxist the nuclear codes. That’ll play well.SunnyJim said:
1. There will be a last chance deal for the remainers to reject with the awful optics for Labour that comes with that.Gallowgate said:
What you on about?
1. I doubt Boris will even bring back a deal.
2. The sitting PM will formally request an extension its as simple as that. If that is Boris then it will be him.
2. When remainers reject the government will resign and Corbyn (in all likelihood) will have to sign the surrender letter just prior to a GE.
Cummings has run rings round the remainers in parliament.0 -
A more appropriate question would be:TGOHF2 said:
Who do you think would make the least incapable PM ?0 -
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
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Yes. Who cares? Boris will have failed in his quest to take Britain out of the EU by Oct 31. Maybe we’ll get a 2 year extension and this whole sorry mess can drift into nothingness.SunnyJim said:
Who cares if it's Corbyn who requests the extension?Gallowgate said:
Who cares if Corbyn requests an extension? Boris would have just willingly given the marxist the nuclear codes. That’ll play well.
Really?0 -
Would you tell us where in the GFA that customs clearance centres are proscribed? You appear to be the expert.SouthamObserver said:
No, the UK government could revoke the Good Friday Agreement’s legal provisions in UK law. It is not compatible with the Brexit the government envisages.0 -
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.0 -
The UK could sovereignly repudiate the Good Friday Agreement, it's just that this would have serious downsides. The GFA was possible because both countries were in the EU, and it's hard to sustain without replicating some of what the EU did.Byronic said:
So the United Kingdom has to dissolve itself, if it legally wishes to leave the European Union.
That's like a turnkey telling me I am entirely free, and can leave the prison, but leaving the prison means I must snap off an arm, and possibly a leg, because of the shackles, sorry.
That is not freedom; we are no longer sovereign. We are worse off, in terms of sovereignty, than Scotland in the UK.
So it's not so much "you must snap off an arm because of the shackles" as "you're free to leave your job, but you'll have to give back the company car". This might be a reasonable choice if it's a shitty job, but the complication is that when people voted to leave their job, they expected that they'd be able to keep the car.0 -
Reading the different numbers on the speedometer is so difficult. Oh no.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.0 -
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?0 -
Ireland started metrication at the same time as us and actually followed us just like decimalisation, they just didn't get cold feet over a few angry market traders and traditional Tories.Gallowgate said:
Reading the different numbers on the speedo is so difficult. Oh no.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.0 -
Millions of Labour leavers will care that Corbyn requested the extension after his MPs voted down a last chance to leave.Gallowgate said:
Yes. Who cares? Boris will have failed in his quest to take Britain out of the EU by Oct 31. Maybe we’ll get a 2 year extension and this whole sorry mess can drift into nothingness.
And the results of that will show when Labour are annihilated at the GE that will immediately follow.
I'm actually genuinely surprised that remainers are still grasping at straws that have long since been blown away by Cummings.
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Dyeds tip of the day for the next election. Montgomeryshire. Currently the Tories 143rd safest seat (target 174 on the defence list). Glyn Davies the MP not standing again and was liberal territory until Opik capitulated in 2010 (when it was Tory target 210)
I can see the LDs retaking here and losing back Brecon and Radnor. Area was marginally more leave than average, strong liberal tradition
As ever DYOR0 -
It involves a change to the current status of the border against the wishes of the nationalist and non-aligned communities. In the same way, putting a border in the Irish Sea against the wishes of the Unionist community would not be compatible with the GFA.Luckyguy1983 said:
Would you tell us where in the GFA that customs clearance centres are proscribed? You appear to be the expert.SouthamObserver said:
No, the UK government could revoke the Good Friday Agreement’s legal provisions in UK law. It is not compatible with the Brexit the government envisages.
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Where are the Ipsos MORI Voting Intention numbers?0
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Bottom drawer, left hand side, behind the whiskey bottle....MikeL said:Where are the Ipsos MORI Voting Intention numbers?
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Laura Pidcock now 3rd Favourite for next Labour leader at 10 Back / 12 Lay.
Ahead of Thornberry and Rayner.
Behind only Starmer and Long-Bailey.0 -
Who knows what an election will bring about? You certainly don’t.SunnyJim said:
Millions of Labour leavers will care that Corbyn requested the extension after his MPs voted down a last chance to leave.Gallowgate said:
Yes. Who cares? Boris will have failed in his quest to take Britain out of the EU by Oct 31. Maybe we’ll get a 2 year extension and this whole sorry mess can drift into nothingness.
And the results of that will show when Labour are annihilated at the GE that will immediately follow.
I'm actually genuinely surprised that remainers are still grasping at straws that have long since been blown away by Cummings.
I note you’re still grasping at straws at this mythical ‘last minute’ deal which is rather laughable at the moment.0 -
HM Government spying on an Irish nationalist's van when he is outside the UK is not the same as having different speed limits on different roads. We all know that!1
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My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
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Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.0 -
Tough shit, that's not happening, NI is a part of the UK and the UK is leaving the EU.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
When? On Oct 31?Philip_Thompson said:
Tough shit, that's not happening, NI is a part of the UK and the UK is leaving the EU.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
Whisky, please. Not whiskey. We do have SOME standards here..Beibheirli_C said:
Bottom drawer, left hand side, behind the whiskey bottle....MikeL said:Where are the Ipsos MORI Voting Intention numbers?
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So reading that article Johnson's hoping that at least 1 EU government will block an extension. It might cost a tiny fraction of the UK's budget contribution to buy off one of them. Malta?Scott_P said:0 -
Bit difficult if the different numbers aren't even on the speedometer:Gallowgate said:
Reading the different numbers on the speedometer is so difficult. Oh no.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
Since 2005 all new cars sold in Ireland have speedometers that display only kilometres per hour
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Ireland
Now assuming that wiki is correct wouldn't that make selling an Irish car in the North a fair bit harder ?0 -
I presume he goes nowhere on the continent - or to sea where speeds are measured in knots, even in the UK (1kt = 1.15 mph)SouthamObserver said:
My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.0 -
If needed the exact copy of May's deal can come back but there will be lipstick popped on to it for presentational reasons of course...just to make the spin easier about the remain parliament rejecting the final opportunity to ensure the very thing they claim to be terrified of doesn't happen.Gallowgate said:
Who knows what an election will bring about? You certainly don’t.
I note you’re still grasping at straws at this mythical ‘last minute’ deal which is rather laughable at the moment.
Cummings is just humiliating the remainers in parliament now.
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What size shirt and trousers do you wear ?RH1992 said:
Ireland started metrication at the same time as us and actually followed us just like decimalisation, they just didn't get cold feet over a few angry market traders and traditional Tories.Gallowgate said:
Reading the different numbers on the speedo is so difficult. Oh no.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
Perhaps you could point out which British politicians are advocating more metrication ?0 -
What lipstick?SunnyJim said:
If needed the exact copy of May's deal can come back but there will be lipstick popped on to it for presentational reasons of course...just to make the spin easier about the remain parliament rejecting the final opportunity to ensure the very thing they claim to be terrified of doesn't happen.Gallowgate said:
Who knows what an election will bring about? You certainly don’t.
I note you’re still grasping at straws at this mythical ‘last minute’ deal which is rather laughable at the moment.
Cummings is just humiliating the remainers in parliament now.0 -
The esculent irony is that Ireland is still a cultural colony of Britain, especially England.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunateg and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
They watch British TV, follow British sports, read British papers - and obsess over British politics. Ireland is not European, it is quasi-British, if it is anything other than Irish.
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Do you have a Cummings poster above your bed? You are very weirdly into him.SunnyJim said:
If needed the exact copy of May's deal can come back but there will be lipstick popped on to it for presentational reasons of course...just to make the spin easier about the remain parliament rejecting the final opportunity to ensure the very thing they claim to be terrified of doesn't happen.Gallowgate said:
Who knows what an election will bring about? You certainly don’t.
I note you’re still grasping at straws at this mythical ‘last minute’ deal which is rather laughable at the moment.
Cummings is just humiliating the remainers in parliament now.0 -
Yellow to match the bellies of the remainers in parliament.Gallowgate said:
What lipstick?0 -
Since 2005 all new cars sold in Ireland have speedometers that display only kilometres per hourSouthamObserver said:
My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Ireland0 -
So you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re just making it up. Got it.SunnyJim said:
Yellow to match the bellies of the remainers in parliament.Gallowgate said:
What lipstick?0 -
Who cares man this is just weird.another_richard said:
Since 2005 all new cars sold in Ireland have speedometers that display only kilometres per hourSouthamObserver said:
My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Ireland0 -
Getting the EU to tell Parliament they either back any deal Boris brings back or it's No Deal is probably the only way Parliament will ever vote for a deal.Scott_P said:1 -
So that makes it minutely more difficult for drivers from the Republic in the North, but not vice versa. As I say, not a killer argument IMO.another_richard said:
Since 2005 all new cars sold in Ireland have speedometers that display only kilometres per hourSouthamObserver said:
My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
The UK government is suggesting a hard border 10 miles from the actual border. The simple truth is that Brexit is not compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border in Ireland runs counter to promises made to the nationalist community, while a hard border in the Irish Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunately for them, part of the island of Ireland is part of a state that has voted to leave the EU. So alternative arrangements will need to be made. It would be helpful if they engaged constructively with the gargantuan efforts made by the UK Government to construct an effective customs border that is invisible and doesn't encumber people from living, working and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Ireland
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Its clearly an inconvenient fact for you.Beibheirli_C said:
Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
But it still remains a fact that the Irish government made the border harder by changing from mph to kmph.0 -
Please stick to what I wrote rather than creating strawmen.another_richard said:
So are you saying violence is to be expected if one side is pissed off ?OblitusSumMe said:
The border used to be even more visible and consequential. People weren't happy about that. There was a violent conflict. As part of the peace agreement that ended that conflict both sides compromised by accepting the continued existence of the border for some purposes, it being rubbed out for others (such as citizenship), and for the principle that it might cease to exist entirely in the future.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
Now one side is proposing to increase the prominence of the border unilaterally, for example by creating a barrier to trade by the imposition of customs. Can you not see how that might reasonably piss off the other side?
Does that apply to other groups in other countries if they don't get what they want ?
And the Irish government increased the prominence of the border when it changed from mph to kmph.0 -
Whisky = a scottish drinkNoo said:
Whisky, please. Not whiskey. We do have SOME standards here..Beibheirli_C said:
Bottom drawer, left hand side, behind the whiskey bottle....MikeL said:Where are the Ipsos MORI Voting Intention numbers?
Whiskey = an irish drink
Please note my avatar do try to keep up.....1 -
Mmmm hmmmm, ok babes. It's just you finished three comments in a row talking about him. It came across as somewhat dreamy on your part. Just asking. Horses for courses and all that.SunnyJim said:
Not as in to him as remainers are...they are utterly obsessed, and with good reason I suppose.Noo said:
Do you have a Cummings poster above your bed? You are very weirdly into him.0 -
Ok. Let’s accept your premise for arguments sake that the Irish government made the border ‘harder’ by changing from mph to kmph (as almost every other country in the world).another_richard said:
Its clearly an inconvenient fact for you.Beibheirli_C said:
Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
But it still remains a fact that the Irish government made the border harder by changing from mph to kmph.
And what? Has anyone complained apart from you?0 -
My car has mph and kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
I presume he goes nowhere on the continent - or to sea where speeds are measured in knots, even in the UK (1kt = 1.15 mph)SouthamObserver said:
My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.
Do Irish cars ?0 -
After the latest mini downturn in Trump's ratings, he's behind every one of the 12 postwar Presidents whether in terms of approval, disapproval or net approval on the 538 average of polls:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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Oh I know, I'm just advocating for the the exclusive use of the Scottish one. Because it's obviously miles better and all women and men of breeding and good taste prefer it.Beibheirli_C said:
Whisky = a scottish drinkNoo said:
Whisky, please. Not whiskey. We do have SOME standards here..Beibheirli_C said:
Bottom drawer, left hand side, behind the whiskey bottle....MikeL said:Where are the Ipsos MORI Voting Intention numbers?
Whiskey = an irish drink
Please note my avatar do try to keep up.....
And whilst we're at it, jam before cream, and yes to pineapple on pizza. These are the hills I choose to die on.0 -
Yes. Modern cars with digital speedometers will allow the units to be changed.another_richard said:
My car has mph and kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
I presume he goes nowhere on the continent - or to sea where speeds are measured in knots, even in the UK (1kt = 1.15 mph)SouthamObserver said:
My car gives speeds in MPH and KPH. I am not sure this is the killer argument you think it is.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.
Do Irish cars ?0 -
Who on earth watches TV or reads papers now?Byronic said:
The esculent irony is that Ireland is still a cultural colony of Britain, especially England.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunateg and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
They watch British TV, follow British sports, read British papers - and obsess over British politics. Ireland is not European, it is quasi-British, if it is anything other than Irish.0 -
When we have a Parliament that isn't utterly pathetic.Gallowgate said:
When? On Oct 31?Philip_Thompson said:
Tough shit, that's not happening, NI is a part of the UK and the UK is leaving the EU.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
If he is, he is voting for Sinn Fein anyway, anyway.TGOHF2 said:
Chances are he’s an MI6 informer anyway..EPG said:HM Government spying on an Irish nationalist's van when he is outside the UK is not the same as having different speed limits on different roads. We all know that!
Honestly the GB-BREXITER version of NI seems to end around the time of Love Thy Neighbour0 -
Its the principle.Gallowgate said:
Ok. Let’s accept your premise for arguments sake that the Irish government made the border ‘harder’ by changing from mph to kmph (as almost every other country in the world).another_richard said:
Its clearly an inconvenient fact for you.Beibheirli_C said:
Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
But it still remains a fact that the Irish government made the border harder by changing from mph to kmph.
And what? Has anyone complained apart from you?
We have been told that making the Irish border any harder is intolerable and risks a violent response.
TBH I would bung Ulster billions and tell them to sort it out themselves.
And threaten to reduce their government spending to the UK average if they didn't.0 -
That was TMay episodes 7, 8 and 11. The problem is that even if you can make the threat convincing, you lose not only a load of votes on the Lab side where Corbyn thinks "government defeat and massive economic chaos, I can live with that", you also lose a pile of votes on the Leave side from the ERG types who think, "No Deal, cool".GIN1138 said:
Getting the EU to tell Parliament they either back any deal Boris brings back or it's No Deal is probably the only way Parliament will ever vote for a deal.1 -
Great plan. I can see no flaws.another_richard said:
Its the principle.Gallowgate said:
Ok. Let’s accept your premise for arguments sake that the Irish government made the border ‘harder’ by changing from mph to kmph (as almost every other country in the world).another_richard said:
Its clearly an inconvenient fact for you.Beibheirli_C said:
Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
But it still remains a fact that the Irish government made the border harder by changing from mph to kmph.
And what? Has anyone complained apart from you?
We have been told that making the Irish border any harder is intolerable and risks a violent response.
TBH I would bung Ulster billions and tell them to sort it out themselves.
And threaten to reduce their government spending to the UK average if they didn't.0 -
You could be waiting a while.Philip_Thompson said:
When we have a Parliament that isn't utterly pathetic.Gallowgate said:
When? On Oct 31?Philip_Thompson said:
Tough shit, that's not happening, NI is a part of the UK and the UK is leaving the EU.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.0 -
It is afternoon on 19 October. The PM is on telly flying out of Brize Norton or wherever to go and personally deliver the EU Withdrawal no 2 Act letter to the Council. Katya Adler is in Brussels saying how everyone is waiting for Boris. A few talking heads in the studio and then the anchor stops someone mid-rant.
"I'm sorry to stop you, but we're getting...we can't confirm this just yet, but we have a single report that...the PM'S helicopter has turned round and is heading back to London. Remember the PM spectacularly led his own MPs through the lobby earlier to pass a vote of no confidence in his own government and start the 14-day countdown to an election. We don't know whether this detour is planned or...actually, we have word that the flight plan has been amended so that the destination is Buckingham palace..."
Cut to Katya. Katya, you've lost the news. Back to the studio and over to Laura K at Westminster.
Corbyn has forty minutes to get HMQEII's approval to be PM, write his nuke sub letters, get to da choppa, and meet Tusk before he's committed to FBPE prison indefinitely. Then he gets back to no confidence and the election.
We will only know if this is far fetched or not if we can't find out whether Mike is on holiday or not.1 -
It's amazing, the answer's been staring us in the face all this time.Gallowgate said:
Great plan. I can see no flaws.another_richard said:
Its the principle.Gallowgate said:
Ok. Let’s accept your premise for arguments sake that the Irish government made the border ‘harder’ by changing from mph to kmph (as almost every other country in the world).another_richard said:
Its clearly an inconvenient fact for you.Beibheirli_C said:
Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
But it still remains a fact that the Irish government made the border harder by changing from mph to kmph.
And what? Has anyone complained apart from you?
We have been told that making the Irish border any harder is intolerable and risks a violent response.
TBH I would bung Ulster billions and tell them to sort it out themselves.
And threaten to reduce their government spending to the UK average if they didn't.0 -
So what you're saying is that its not an all-island economy today, there is a border, goods and regulations can be different and this can make life difficult for citizens of the Republic visiting their foreign neighbour in the north?SouthamObserver said:
So that makes it minutely more difficult for drivers from the Republic in the North, but not vice versa. As I say, not a killer argument IMO.another_richard said:Since 2005 all new cars sold in Ireland have speedometers that display only kilometres per hour
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Ireland0 -
Noo said:
Oh I know, I'm just advocating for the the exclusive use of the Scottish one. Because it's obviously miles better and all women and men of breeding and good taste prefer it.Beibheirli_C said:
Whisky = a scottish drinkNoo said:
Whisky, please. Not whiskey. We do have SOME standards here..Beibheirli_C said:
Bottom drawer, left hand side, behind the whiskey bottle....MikeL said:Where are the Ipsos MORI Voting Intention numbers?
Whiskey = an irish drink
Please note my avatar do try to keep up.....
And whilst we're at it, jam before cream, and yes to pineapple on pizza. These are the hills I choose to die on.
Pineapple is nice. Pizza is an abomination. Cream is disgusting. Jam is too sweet.
Domaine Ott Clos Mireille Rose, on the other hand, is a delightful wine. I am sure all civilised people agree....?0 -
GB-BREXITERs == Plans are hard, just make no plan and hang around until someone else like Theresa May volunteers to cleans up our crud for a year or two. Cf. Vote Leave, Bojo and Cum.Gallowgate said:
Great plan. I can see no flaws.another_richard said:
Its the principle.Gallowgate said:
Ok. Let’s accept your premise for arguments sake that the Irish government made the border ‘harder’ by changing from mph to kmph (as almost every other country in the world).another_richard said:
Its clearly an inconvenient fact for you.Beibheirli_C said:
Seriously? Are you really that dense? Or are you just trolling?another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make cross border travel harder by changing from mph to kmph.Beibheirli_C said:
Yes. Many of them do. And many from the south journey the other way.another_richard said:Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
This is why the GFA works.
It is also why Brexit is a complete and utter screw-up as far as the RoI/NI border is concerned.
But it still remains a fact that the Irish government made the border harder by changing from mph to kmph.
And what? Has anyone complained apart from you?
We have been told that making the Irish border any harder is intolerable and risks a violent response.
TBH I would bung Ulster billions and tell them to sort it out themselves.
And threaten to reduce their government spending to the UK average if they didn't.0 -
On the other hand, his rating with registered voters is only about 2.5 points below the percentage he achieved at the 2016 election.Wulfrun_Phil said:After the latest mini downturn in Trump's ratings, he's behind every one of the 12 postwar Presidents whether in terms of approval, disapproval or net approval on the 538 average of polls:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo0 -
Have you ever been to Ireland?Byronic said:
The esculent irony is that Ireland is still a cultural colony of Britain, especially England.another_richard said:
Yet the Irish government chose to make the situation worse by changing from mph to kmph.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt anyone would claim that the current situation in NI is perfect. But it is a whole lot better than it was. Making it worse than it is now is understandably unpopular. I’m not sure why you find that curious.another_richard said:
Yet those other things make everyday life harder to live and business transactions harder to conduct as well.SouthamObserver said:
It is tolerable because it is what people are used to. They are not used to a customs border and one that will significantly restrict the free movement of goods and services. I am not sure why you find that curious. Surely, it’s quite obvious that making everyday lives much harder to live is not going to be popular.another_richard said:
There is already a border in Ireland across which there are different governments, different heads of state, different currencies, different legal systems, different tax systems, different speed limits and different football teams.SouthamObserver said:
Sea runs counter to promises made to the unionist community. Luckyguy1983 said:
Well unfortunateg and visiting either side.Gallowgate said:
...and?TGOHF2 said:
The Irish have failed to come up with many ideas - just stuff they don’t like.Gallowgate said:
This has nothing to do with Remainers. It’s not us rejecting this. It’s Ireland backed by the EU.TGOHF2 said:Remainers are objecting to some offices being opened to handle customs paperwork ?
Quite right - a proposal that Chairman Mao himself would decry as too authoritarian.
A bit like Labour and the Lib Dem’s.
Ireland wants the entirety of the island of Ireland in the single market and customs union. That’s it.
How curious all that is tolerable yet other things are deemed not to be.
And do the population of Northern Ireland continuously move across the border ?
They watch British TV, follow British sports, read British papers - and obsess over British politics. Ireland is not European, it is quasi-British, if it is anything other than Irish.
Before the Brexit omnishambles I was struck by how little attention was paid to British politics and Britain in general.
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DUP are critical in getting ERG'ers on side.edmundintokyo said:
That was TMay episodes 7, 8 and 11. The problem is that even if you can make the threat convincing, you lose not only a load of votes on the Lab side where Corbyn thinks "government defeat and massive economic chaos, I can live with that", you also lose a pile of votes on the Leave side from the ERG types who think, "No Deal, cool".GIN1138 said:
Getting the EU to tell Parliament they either back any deal Boris brings back or it's No Deal is probably the only way Parliament will ever vote for a deal.
If the DUP moves hopefully that brings (most) of the ERG on board. If they come on board Labour MPs like Nandy and Flint may be tempted?0
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