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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,757

    Clearly there's no need for any action by the police or any other relevant authority as you've pronounced the verdict.

    Would you now like to pass the sentence.
    Your argumentative approach on this one seems to be consistent straw-manning.
    Why don't you address the points actually made ?
  • Who needs the law when you can have twatter lynchings.
    When the law fails - as it has done on sexual crimes - then people lose confidence in it.

    You don't fix that situation by having a go at people. You improve the way that the law deals with sexual crimes.
  • And public discourse is deteriorating:

    https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1178592493883056128
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, would need to be a new session for the same WA, or a slightly amended WA from the EU summit.
    If the SC judgment was essentially "you can prorogue - but don't take the piss" then Boris could announce he was again going to prorogue, maybe during his Conference speech - for a Queen's Speech on say Monday/Tuesday next week.

    Otherwise it would risk the Speaker being the cause of No Deal if he didn't allow another vote, where there were no further extensions. I don't think he wants that to be what he is remembered for.....
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    eristdoof said:



    Having said that the weather here in Berlin today is horrible. Like a typical November day on the Pennines!

    A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
  • Noo said:

    If there weren't criminal cases working their way through the states I'd suggest that there's a high chance he could step aside late in his presidency in exchange for a pardon. But presidential pardons only count against federal crimes. And even though the convention on not indicting a sitting president also only counts against federal crimes, Trump is in a stronger place to argue against the legitimacy of the state cases whilst he's in the oval office. I expect him to cling on to the bitter end.
    Bannon has said that Trump's exit will be nasty and very undignified. I have no reason to doubt him based on experience so far.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Bannon has said that Trump's exit will be nasty and very undignified. I have no reason to doubt him based on experience so far.
    I can well foresee that. Let's hope if true it's only nasty and undignified for him, rather than the whole country.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
    You must be on cloud 9 today then ;)
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    If pb.com is the Lake Como of the Internet then twitter is its festering sewer.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
    Agreed. Hot weather sucks. Although, actually, it's not heat as such it's the mugginess that comes with our island climate. Clean heat is rare in the UK.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    Thanks to all for the kind words about my article anyway.
  • Nigelb said:

    Your argumentative approach on this one seems to be consistent straw-manning.
    Why don't you address the points actually made ?
    What points ?

    If there is anything to this story it should be dealt with by the relevant authorities.

    Without that what do we have ?

    I'm against Boris so he's guilty or I'm for Boris so he's innocent.

    Plus not_on_fire's deeply troubling 'only people with the right attitudes' should be allowed to comment.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    And if you go a few hundred miles north the climate deteriorates markedly. It must be one of the reasons for our persistent north-south divide (speaking as someone who has made the move south and would struggle to return).
    Very perceptive. Yes I think this sudden, marked deterioration in weather explains a lot about the divided British psyche. London (and the south in general) isn't just richer and better connected and more favoured with culture, food, transport, and so on, it even has the best weather.

    It's like Paris being on the cote d'Azur, in a French context. This breeds intense resentment. It probably explains Brexit: too many wet days in Sunderland.

    Weathewise it's interesting to pin point "where" the weather declines. Somewhere just north of Shrewsbury? It tallies with our traditonal conceptions of "north".

    There is a similar meteorological watershed in France. Somewhere immediately south of Lyon the Med suddenly begins: palms flourish, the tiles are ochre, every house has shutters, people gesticulate more.

  • A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
    There's a thread on netweather with this exact argument. On the one hand you have people enjoying "proper autumn weather" and then there are people thinking about flooding, or people who have to work outside.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Byronic said:

    (and the south in general) isn't just richer and better connected and more favoured with culture, food, transport, and so on, it even has the best weather.

    You haven't spent much time in Cornwall, have you?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,537

    A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
    100% with you there Nick. I also like heavy rain, particularly if it shines afterwards. I have no issue with getting soaked as long as I don't get cold. I like a warm spring/autumn day but hate the heat.

    However I have a Scottish wife who never ever wants to see drizzle again and who gets depressed by it.
  • Fishing said:

    Thanks to all for the kind words about my article anyway.

    It was a very good article - thank you.
  • A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
    Moderation in weather is a good thing.

    But as in so many other things public discourse is dominated by people who prefer an extreme situation.
  • Revoke is still a Remainer wet dream. Not happening.

    Not when you have a fixed deadline and a deal on the table. Even if it is May's Shit Deal, unaltered.
    I think Orban would come under *quite a lot of* pressure if the other 26 were minded to extend. However.. if it happened..

    The calculations will be "which outcome damages Boris and the Tories most and can be made to look like his fault?" and "is the opposition sufficiently unanimous to choose such an outcome?".

    I can't see the ERG voting for Deal (or the DUP if the backstop remains), although most ex-Tory rebels probably would. So it relies on quite a few Lab votes (or more abstentions).

    It would take some chutzpah for the opposition to actively allow No Deal, having said their primary concern was to stop it. That said, they - along with many others - were rather more robust than they should have been in opposing an "evil baby eating Tory Brexit". So they're going to need a squirt of WD40 on the gears to go into reverse.

    And I think they'd struggle to get a majority for Revoke, even in an emergency (because Labour wouldn't get unanimity, and the number of Tories/ex-Tories willing to countenance that is very low)

    So I guess most likely in such a circumstance is Labour either actively sitting it out or being sufficiently split to get Deal over the line, with the consolation prize of being able to harp on about a damaging Tory Brexit.

    What happens then with an early election? Enough numbers to VONC and go for a rainbow coalition renegotiating the PD? Or does Boris get to own it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,757

    What points ?

    Most of the replies you made to not_on_fire addressed an argument he didn't make.
  • Noo said:

    You haven't spent much time in Cornwall, have you?
    IT'S A TRAP
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    What points ?

    If there is anything to this story it should be dealt with by the relevant authorities.

    Without that what do we have ?

    I'm against Boris so he's guilty or I'm for Boris so he's innocent.

    Plus not_on_fire's deeply troubling 'only people with the right attitudes' should be allowed to comment.
    S/he didn't say you aren't allowed to comment, s/he was saying you're part of the problem. S/he is right.
  • Moderation in weather is a good thing.

    But as in so many other things public discourse is dominated by people who prefer an extreme situation.
    Hear, hear Mr Palmer. The older I get the more hot and humid weather makes me grumpy and unable to think clearly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,757
    Fishing said:

    Thanks to all for the kind words about my article anyway.

    Entirely merited.
    Every time I attempt to express a coherent thought over more than a paragraph, I realise the effort that must go in to most headers.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Do you think you've helped, with your dyspeptic tirades against thick, bigoted Leavers?

    One of the reasons our discourse is tarnished is the free rein Remainers give themselves, to insult half the country. Matthew Parris is a good example: happy to describe 17 million voters as racist. And he's normally a mild voice.

    When you freely abuse people like this, they feel entitled to abuse you right back, and so we spiral down into the rhetorical toilet.

    Both sides need to stop. Neither side seems capable of this restraint.

  • Noo said:

    You must be on cloud 9 today then ;)
    Is that the really big black one? :smiley:
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Noo said:

    You haven't spent much time in Cornwall, have you?
    OK the southeast. Ho hum.

    I'm not ignoring the obvious fact that the SE also has nastier crime, worse traffic, higher prices, etc. I'm just talking about perceptions.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Byronic said:

    Do you think you've helped, with your dyspeptic tirades against thick, bigoted Leavers?

    One of the reasons our discourse is tarnished is the free rein Remainers give themselves, to insult half the country. Matthew Parris is a good example: happy to describe 17 million voters as racist. And he's normally a mild voice.

    When you freely abuse people like this, they feel entitled to abuse you right back, and so we spiral down into the rhetorical toilet.

    Both sides need to stop. Neither side seems capable of this restraint.

    Reminder: you're the guy who was threatening people on here a few weeks back.
  • Byronic said:

    Very perceptive. Yes I think this sudden, marked deterioration in weather explains a lot about the divided British psyche. London (and the south in general) isn't just richer and better connected and more favoured with culture, food, transport, and so on, it even has the best weather.

    It's like Paris being on the cote d'Azur, in a French context. This breeds intense resentment. It probably explains Brexit: too many wet days in Sunderland.

    Weathewise it's interesting to pin point "where" the weather declines. Somewhere just north of Shrewsbury? It tallies with our traditonal conceptions of "north".

    There is a similar meteorological watershed in France. Somewhere immediately south of Lyon the Med suddenly begins: palms flourish, the tiles are ochre, every house has shutters, people gesticulate more.

    Sunderland is actually quite a dry city :wink:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland#Climate

    Anyway the big Brexit block is where the Midlands meets the North plus the east coast of southern England.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    IT'S A TRAP
    As a highly successful male model, I am trained to notice landmines on the slip roads of dialogue.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Looks like En Marche UK is on March out the door. Rory says the only thing hes launching this week is his 4 year old son's toy boat
  • Byronic said:

    It probably explains Brexit: too many wet days in Sunderland.

    Weathewise it's interesting to pin point "where" the weather declines. Somewhere just north of Shrewsbury? It tallies with our traditonal conceptions of "north".

    Someone pointed out that the battalions of the retired living in the south had greater numerical responsibility for the Leave vote than the northern industrial towns that are dominant in the Brexit narrative. So that doesn't quite fit with the meteorology as destiny argument, alas.

    There's a "grimness" weather statistic that combines sunshine hours, rainfall (and possibly temperature) into one number that can be used to compare how grim the weather is in different locations. They calculate it for the weather at the weather station in the Royal Botanic Garden, Edinburgh, but I can't find a web page with a definition.

    I would suggest that would be a good statistic to use for this purpose (even if NP would define it differently).
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Noo said:

    Reminder: you're the guy who was threatening people on here a few weeks back.
    For which I apologised, because my aggression (even if ironic) was ugly, nasty and wrong.

    Others should have my self awareness.
  • Byronic said:

    Do you think you've helped, with your dyspeptic tirades against thick, bigoted Leavers?

    One of the reasons our discourse is tarnished is the free rein Remainers give themselves, to insult half the country. Matthew Parris is a good example: happy to describe 17 million voters as racist. And he's normally a mild voice.

    When you freely abuse people like this, they feel entitled to abuse you right back, and so we spiral down into the rhetorical toilet.

    Both sides need to stop. Neither side seems capable of this restraint.

    The absence of one poster on here marginally slowed the descent into the rhetorical toilet. But then like a bus with £350m on its side, there's always another one along in 5 minutes.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Noo said:

    You haven't spent much time in Cornwall, have you?
    I specified SE England in my OP, for good reason!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,812

    It was a very good article - thank you.

    Yes, for sure, but slightly depressing.

    Or perhaps not. I would prefer Trump beaten at the ballot box than removed by 'globalist liberal elites'.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Noo said:

    You haven't spent much time in Cornwall, have you?
    @SeanT is a Cornishman :smiley:
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    new thread
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    A minor point that's always bugged me is that it's assumed that EVERYONE likes hot weather. Forecasters say brightly "We can look forward to a real scorcher tomorrow" or "I'm afraid there may be a drop of 5 degrees on Saturday". Lots of us are fine with 20-23 degrees, anything more starts to feel uncomfortable. Snow is good news unless you have to go somewhere distant. Light rain is pleasant. I know several people who feel the same - we're an invisible minority.
    Some of us are quite happy it’s getting cooler as the summer moves into autumn. Daytime temperatures in the Middle East now regularly below 40°C and heading closer to 35°C. Soon it’ll be barbecue season ;)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    tlg86 said:

    If this happened, she should go to the police rather than announce it to the world on Twatter.

    If women and girls reported every sexual assault, however minor, to the police, they’d be doing little else from about the age of 12 onwards. And doubtless they’d be criticised for diverting the police from “more important” crimes and/or accused of being hysterical about trivial matters. It is beyond tiresome that women have to - as a matter of routine in pretty much all walks of life - put up with chimpanzee-like behaviour from men of all types. It’d be quite nice if they’d grow up and learn some more civilized mating techniques.

    Depressingly, I doubt all these stories will affect peoples’ views of Boris one bit: that he’s a priapic liar is priced in. His opponents are making the same mistake as those thinking that all those IRA stories would harm Corbyn during the last GE. Something more than “Boris is a lech” is needed.
  • Noo said:

    S/he didn't say you aren't allowed to comment, s/he was saying you're part of the problem. S/he is right.
    The 'you are part of the problem so go away' mentality.

    I'm saying that any issues should be dealt with by the relevant authorities.

    Why does that provoke such hostility ?

    Now let me suggest a different scenario in which it was a Labour or LibDem politicians about whom allegations were made.

    I'll speculate that we would get a different set of people supporting the allegations while others would go all quiet.

    And that is why it is better that it is the relevant authorities which investigate.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    edited September 2019

    Someone pointed out that the battalions of the retired living in the south had greater numerical responsibility for the Leave vote than the northern industrial towns that are dominant in the Brexit narrative. So that doesn't quite fit with the meteorology as destiny argument, alas.

    There's a "grimness" weather statistic that combines sunshine hours, rainfall (and possibly temperature) into one number that can be used to compare how grim the weather is in different locations. They calculate it for the weather at the weather station in the Royal Botanic Garden, Edinburgh, but I can't find a web page with a definition.

    I would suggest that would be a good statistic to use for this purpose (even if NP would define it differently).
    This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc

    https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95

    Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.

    That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
  • Sandpit said:

    Yes, would need to be a new session for the same WA, or a slightly amended WA from the EU summit.
    Is there room for the speaker to be creative? The removal of the opportunity for extension materially changes the impact of the WA so it is a different bill even if the wording is the same?
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Cyclefree said:



    Depressingly, I doubt all these stories will affect peoples’ views of Boris one bit: that he’s a priapic liar is priced in. His opponents are making the same mistake as those thinking that all those IRA stories would harm Corbyn during the last GE. Something more than “Boris is a lech” is needed.

    It's a good point. From what I can see, people support Boris because (I) he's entertaining, and (ii) he will deliver Brexit.

    The opposition need some form of kryptonite to neutralise these. The lech stories just feed (i) (Sadly).

  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    edited September 2019
    Byronic said:


    That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.

    Many moons ago (OK, 1993), Manchester bid to host the 2000 Olympics. The winner was Sydney.

    What wasn't shouted about at the time, was that Manchester has more hours per day of sunshine in September than Sydney. Tru dat.

  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    I think Orban would come under *quite a lot of* pressure if the other 26 were minded to extend. However.. if it happened..

    The calculations will be "which outcome damages Boris and the Tories most and can be made to look like his fault?" and "is the opposition sufficiently unanimous to choose such an outcome?".

    I can't see the ERG voting for Deal (or the DUP if the backstop remains), although most ex-Tory rebels probably would. So it relies on quite a few Lab votes (or more abstentions).

    It would take some chutzpah for the opposition to actively allow No Deal, having said their primary concern was to stop it. That said, they - along with many others - were rather more robust than they should have been in opposing an "evil baby eating Tory Brexit". So they're going to need a squirt of WD40 on the gears to go into reverse.

    And I think they'd struggle to get a majority for Revoke, even in an emergency (because Labour wouldn't get unanimity, and the number of Tories/ex-Tories willing to countenance that is very low)

    So I guess most likely in such a circumstance is Labour either actively sitting it out or being sufficiently split to get Deal over the line, with the consolation prize of being able to harp on about a damaging Tory Brexit.

    What happens then with an early election? Enough numbers to VONC and go for a rainbow coalition renegotiating the PD? Or does Boris get to own it?
    The agreement whatever with a referendum would fly through although Grieve has just said on TV it would need the government to provide the funding.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    edited September 2019
    One point that I left out of the article for reasons of space - somebody below mentions the possibility of primary challenges to those Republicans who defect. That can be a threat, but is a much weaker one than it seems:

    - almost 90% fail (641 out of 723 in one study I read), and the majority of the successful ones are due to scandals, redistricting or perceived incompetence.
    - It's not really a threat for next year's election - primary candidates have to register and collect their signatures by January or February of next year (depending on the state), which means organisation should really start next month, almost certainly after a Senate vote will have taken place.
    - For the classes of 2016 and 2018 it may be more problematic, but of course much else could have happened by then.
    - There are considerable costs to running a serious primary challenger, which is why they rarely get national backing.

    So I'm inclined to place less emphasis on this threat than others might.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Tabman said:

    Many moons ago (OK, 1993), Manchester bid to host the 2000 Olympics. The winner was Sydney.

    What wasn't shouted about at the time, was that Manchester has higher hours by day of sunshine in September than Sydney. Tru dat.

    Sydney is quite strange, meteorologically. You expect it to have a perfect Mediterranean climate, because of its beach culture, but it definitely doesn't. There's too much rain and too many storms.

    Also it can get terrifyingly hot, and the threat of deadly fires menaces its outer suburbs.

    In other words, it is infinitely nicer than Manchester.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Byronic said:

    This is a rather brilliant essay (with fascinating index) on the best places to live in the world, taking into account weather plus crime, costs, etc

    https://medium.com/@BambouClub/which-city-has-the-best-climate-in-the-world-355e013e9e95

    Look how badly Ireland, Scotland and northern England do on "irradiation" i.e. sun. Practically unique in the world in their sunlessness, only central south China and the Aleutian Islands are worse.

    That is quite impressive in a bad way. Explains the Mancunian character.
    Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.

    OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.

    Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,103
    This is shocking, what kind of a state is UK in..........
    https://twitter.com/SteveDoherty1/status/1177960448915902464
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    Tabman said:

    @SeanT is a Cornishman :smiley:
    Byronic is without doubt the most obvious sockie account I've seen in years.

    I particularly liked the announcement that Byronic was off to Greece while the following day SeanT announced his arrival back there.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    edited September 2019
    Byronic said:

    Sydney is quite strange, meteorologically. You expect it to have a perfect Mediterranean climate, because of its beach culture, but it definitely doesn't. There's too much rain and too many storms.

    Also it can get terrifyingly hot, and the threat of deadly fires menaces its outer suburbs.

    In other words, it is infinitely nicer than Manchester.
    When was the last time you were there? I lived there in the late 90s, when a transition was underway. Going back recently with Ms Tabman jr for an open day, I was struck by the inversion of the city. The money is now in the centre, and the poverty on the edge. I think this is a global trend.

    (That's Manchester I'm referring to. Haven't been to Sydney since 2003).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,103
    Byronic said:

    Very perceptive. Yes I think this sudden, marked deterioration in weather explains a lot about the divided British psyche. London (and the south in general) isn't just richer and better connected and more favoured with culture, food, transport, and so on, it even has the best weather.

    It's like Paris being on the cote d'Azur, in a French context. This breeds intense resentment. It probably explains Brexit: too many wet days in Sunderland.

    Weathewise it's interesting to pin point "where" the weather declines. Somewhere just north of Shrewsbury? It tallies with our traditonal conceptions of "north".

    There is a similar meteorological watershed in France. Somewhere immediately south of Lyon the Med suddenly begins: palms flourish, the tiles are ochre, every house has shutters, people gesticulate more.

    absolute bollox
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Byronic said:

    Also worth noting that on sun hours, the bleakness of northern Ireland and western Scotland are only matched by the desolations of Iceland, Newfoundland, Antarctica, and central northern Siberia.

    OUTER northern Siberia is, in sun hours, nicer than Glasgow.

    Visit Scotland should use this in their advertising. "Come to Scotland, about as pleasant as Novaya Zemlya".
    Some of us, with freckles, red hair and utterly fair skin, actually loathe strong sun - presumably we are evolved for the climate in Ireland and Scotland. Though there is a genetic tendency to MS in the NE of Scotland which may apparently be exacerbated by vitD deficiency.

    But you're lumping Scotland into one. There's a massive difference between the cold rainforests of the Atlantic coast and the wet desert of central Rum, and the sunniness of Tiree and of the rain-shadowed golfing coast of Angus, Fife and Lothian.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Is there room for the speaker to be creative? The removal of the opportunity for extension materially changes the impact of the WA so it is a different bill even if the wording is the same?
    I’m not sure anything can be put past the ‘creative ingenuity’ of the Speaker at this point.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Scott_P said:
    Has his spokesman also been feeling women up?
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    Day 1 of lectures today. 9am Public Law. 10am EU Law. Fitting.

    Good luck with your studies and I hope you enjoy your course.
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