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Wow!HYUFD said:
Confirmed, disaster for Corbyn, seems Swinson's gamble has paid offTheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Popular vote or seats?Benpointer said:
Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Can’t believe people actually getting excited about mid conference season polling 😀0 -
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is). And also bad for the Lib Dems, over the long term.Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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kle4 said:
The knock off sequels are just terrible I'm told (only seen the second), but if you haven't seen the musical number from the third you truly must, it's greatFoxy said:
Starship Troopers is a magnificent hymnn to the joys of Fascism, with plenty of gratuitous nudity and a fair bit of senseless gore. I watch it every time t comes on.kle4 said:
Starship Troopers, hands down.kinabalu said:
Interesting category!OnlyLivingBoy said:One of the best bad films ever made.
American Gigolo for me.
Terrible movie.
Seen it at least 10 times. Would watch it again right now if it came on.
Showgirls by Verhoeven is strangely compelling too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys
Truly marvellous! No Deal Brexit has a new theme tune...
I am a Verhoevan fan though. I love all his films, even the weird Dutch ones, but Starship Troopers is a masterpiece of trashing the original novel, while indulging the directors bizarre Calvinistic tropes0 -
Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
1,800 posts and he’s making like a veteran
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I remember those innocent days of the Cleggasm.1
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Why would you let another party try to bounce you into an agreement at the last minute? We would be doing exactly the same thing if it was us.Byronic said:
Then it's up to them if they agree in the 37 seconds allowed, otherwise No Deal.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, hopefully 11.59 Brussels time. Even so, leaving just 60 seconds in the middle of the night for the European Council, the Commons, and the European Parliament all to give their formal consent would be winging it a bit even by Boris standards.Byronic said:
Why should we give the tiniest fuck what the Finns say? We can produce our plans at 11.59 on Halloween, if we like.Scott_P said:
The idea the United Kingdom should be bullied into premature ejaculation by the nation of... Finland... is ambitiously surreal.
Truly, enough of these people, and of this shit. We are Great Britain. We will endure. They can all go and do one. Fuck them.
The fact your metaphor for an international agreement is a sexual climax might suggest you're not looking at this very sensibly.0 -
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Joy Queen? I think I saw his business card in a phone box in Paddington..kle4 said:
Could we split the difference and try to put the words to God save the Queen to the tune of Ode to Joy? God Ode to save the Joy Queen.Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂1 -
Momentum is important in politics.egg said:
Popular vote or seats?Benpointer said:
Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Can’t believe people actually getting excited about mid conference season polling 😀0 -
The key to finding joy in political hobbying is to be continually excited even by the mundaneegg said:
Popular vote or seats?Benpointer said:
Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Can’t believe people actually getting excited about mid conference season polling 😀
Mid conference season polling might not persist - the LDs briefly held first a few months ago after all - but at least it's not maintaining a boring equilibrium! 0 -
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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For sure, there is often (but not always) a small temporary blip upwards after a conference. But (if confirmed by other pollsters) this does suggest that those arguing the firmer anti-Brexit policy was a mistake are themselves mistaken.MarqueeMark said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Be interesting if the SC rules that prorogation was improper. Labour then don't get a Conference to get their own bounce.0 -
Losing to the LDs in the popular vote would be enough to spell the end for Corbyn imo.egg said:
Popular vote or seats?Benpointer said:
Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Can’t believe people actually getting excited about mid conference season polling 😀0 -
Just think of the bar charts that this poll is going to beget.
Labour cannot win here bar charts in places like Liverpool will be fun,0 -
Well I agreed it with me, so that's fifteen PB opinions all on the same side.Foxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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Anyone would think he had previous!IanB2 said:Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
1,800 posts and he’s making like a veteran0 -
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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It wouldn't, Labour is too much in the grip of Corbynism now, as I have been saying for some weeks I think a realignment is in prospect where the LDs replace Labour as the main challengers to the Tories over the next decadeBenpointer said:
Losing to the LDs in the popular vote would be enough to spell the end for Corbyn imo.egg said:
Popular vote or seats?Benpointer said:
Coming 3rd in a GE.Roger said:
Not surprising. I wonder what has to happen before Jeremy gets the message?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Can’t believe people actually getting excited about mid conference season polling 😀0 -
You have a nice ass as well!MarqueeMark said:
So, we could have an extension to - what? Given the WA is locked. Makes no sense.Foxy said:
I don't think that quite true. If in 11 days there are no viable new proposals, then the WA stands as it is. As it is a new Parliamentary session, it could be voted on, not that I think it would be.MarqueeMark said:Been out to see Bait (I was somewhat immune to its supposed charms).
So - Finland says that if Boris doesn't play ball by the end of September, then it's No Deal. Presumably no further discussions, no extensions.
And then the House comes back from prorogation.
Have all Boris's Christmases just come at once?
Also it is mandated that Boris has to ask for an extension, and there are plenty of reasons that would be granted, such as a GE or PeoplesVote.
They should have the balls to tell us to just fuck off. Then we know where we stand.
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You'd need Tories and Brexit Party both to lose vote share to make the numbers add up for that. Much as I'd like that to be true it would be an unlikely development.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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I wouldn't assume Labour would get a conference bounce anyway. They do seem to have a knack of generating the wrong headlines.MarqueeMark said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Be interesting if the SC rules that prorogation was improper. Labour then don't get a Conference to get their own bounce.0 -
If so, doubly good news with the Tories back down to a round 30Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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That would be one hell of a banterous result at a GE.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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We were arguing it was tactically clever (but cynical), and also a strategic mistake.IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
One thing we didn't note, tho, was how it moves the Overton Window on Brexit. With Revoke on the one side, and Leave Now on the other, suddenly a 2nd Brex referendum looks like the sensible centre ground (if such a thing still exists)0 -
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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Mostly taking a longer-term view, though. You can't judge it by short-term polling movements (which might have happened anyway, or been even more favourable to the LibDems, without this policy).IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
(FWIW my view was that it was a misstep, but a minor one.)0 -
I suspect it’s utter shite and those numbers are wrong, wrong, wrong!Gallowgate said:
That would be one hell of a banterous result at a GE.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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Trust sensible Grandpa Jeremy to see the country through these troubled times with his moderate policies...Byronic said:
We were arguing it was tactically clever (but cynical), and also a strategic mistake.IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
One thing we didn't note, tho, was how it moves the Overton Window on Brexit. With Revoke on the one side, and Leave Now on the other, suddenly a 2nd Brex referendum looks like the sensible centre ground (if such a thing still exists)0 -
Oh. Hello.HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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In the film A Clockwork Orange I think the main violent character is psychologically conditioned to react against this piece by Beethoven?Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
So Stanley Kubrick anticipating Brexiteers decades before.0 -
As someone said on this site two days ago:Byronic said:
We were arguing it was tactically clever (but cynical), and also a strategic mistake.IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
One thing we didn't note, tho, was how it moves the Overton Window on Brexit. With Revoke on the one side, and Leave Now on the other, suddenly a 2nd Brex referendum looks like the sensible centre ground (if such a thing still exists)some_smartarse said:
The genius of the Lib Dem policy proposal is it now starts a conversation of "which type of Remain are you?", as opposed to "should I stay or should I go?"*. Remain as a broad church does not suffer from this. It opens the Overton window, it makes Corbyn's Brexit stance look moderate, and it garners a huge amount of press. It's brilliant.1 -
I thought the EU would get a higher share of the blame . 34% of Leavers blamed the government .egg said:
Are you ramping the surprise? Looks remarkably like all other binary no deal polling does it not?nico67 said:Interesting YouGov poll on no deal .
Who would be most to blame for a no deal and the results were a bit of a surprise .
The UK government 57%
The EU 25%0 -
Because if it’s YouGov it shows rises for both Labour and the LDs and a fall for the Tories. But, as I say, I doubt those are the real figures.HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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If Boris does get a deal and gets it through the Commons, I suspect things might get even worse for Labour. I think there are still people who want to vote Lib Dem but plan on voting Labour out of fear of No Deal if Boris wins a GE.0
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That person is smarter than me, at least in this instance. Very sharp.Noo said:
As someone said on this site two days ago:Byronic said:
We were arguing it was tactically clever (but cynical), and also a strategic mistake.IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
One thing we didn't note, tho, was how it moves the Overton Window on Brexit. With Revoke on the one side, and Leave Now on the other, suddenly a 2nd Brex referendum looks like the sensible centre ground (if such a thing still exists)some_smartarse said:
The genius of the Lib Dem policy proposal is it now starts a conversation of "which type of Remain are you?", as opposed to "should I stay or should I go?"*. Remain as a broad church does not suffer from this. It opens the Overton window, it makes Corbyn's Brexit stance look moderate, and it garners a huge amount of press. It's brilliant.0 -
The joys of FPTP and cobbling together a viable majority. Though imagine the situation if Labour and the LDs tried to work out a deal when the LDs beat Labour in the vote but were vastly behind in seats? First conversation would be implementing PR, and that would close the conversation.HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
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So much heat over something so trivial. You are all missing the point. The mans argument was there’s not enough doctors and nurses. Why bash the man when Boris agrees. If Boris agrees it means anyone could have said it. But Boris has been in power since 2010, that’s what makes it difficult for him.TOPPING said:
When you are frustrated with the NHS, and there is often plenty of reason to be frustrated, you want to go to the top and shake them into action. I have no doubt this bloke was frustrated and look who waltzed into the ward none other than the person at the very top.Byronic said:
I agree that Boris is a big fat liar. I don't however, think he was lying this time, he was just a bit rattled by the man's aggression.FF43 said:
I think there are two interesting things with this story.Byronic said:Further observations on RantyDadGate. And I come to it fresh. as someone who has read no news since this morning.
1. Boris' "there's no press" thing was oddly crap, weak and silly
2. Boris really needs to learn how to handle this stuff better, But he's clever so he possibly will
3. The man went somewhat too far, shouting and dribbling, and looked a bit mad
4. For that reason, I think, neutrals will side with Boris.
5. Because we've all been with a mad ranter like that. No one likes it. Even if the ranter has a point, as this man maybe did
One is the tendency of politicians, not just Johnson, to sweep into hospitals with press entourages and impose themselves on patients, who are literally captive and probably feel fragile, stressed and ill. And no doubt also feel manipulated by these politicians co opting them to their propaganda. Hospitals really should develop policies to stop politicians doing this.
The second is Johnson's astonishing capacity for lying.
But this is part of the job of PM, and Boris needs to toughen up.
Had I been in a similar situation I would have done exactly the same. With bells on.
Blair harangued by lady in 2001 because the hospital was filthy. But Blair won massive in 2001 because he was trusted on the NHS.
Cameron tackled in front of cameras by ordinary man in street over disability payments. But it wasn’t ordinary man in Street it’s now Leader of greens.
Let’s focus on health policy not the personalities and the celebrity nature of these confrontations. When new Labour came to power health services in UK way down on league table behind other countries in the world. The Labour Partys privatisation of the NHS is because they wanted to put that right, and wanted better for UK citizens.0 -
I doubt many voters differentiate between "government" and "parliament". I see this as British voters blaming an entire political class, and they are right to do so.nico67 said:
I thought the EU would get a higher share of the blame . 34% of Leavers blamed the government .egg said:
Are you ramping the surprise? Looks remarkably like all other binary no deal polling does it not?nico67 said:Interesting YouGov poll on no deal .
Who would be most to blame for a no deal and the results were a bit of a surprise .
The UK government 57%
The EU 25%0 -
If they get into government on the back of it, that would be catastrophic for national unity. The UK needs to at least revoke on the back of a second referendum or better still leave, see the error of leaving and beg to return.IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
Voters in Sedgefield were implying on ITN tonight that they were being sold down the river by Corbyn's fence sitting, they will be apoplectic with rage if Brexit is stolen from them by shouty LD lady.0 -
LOL, I'd love that, but the guy who posted it seems unlikely to have been sent advance copies of the poll.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
My guess would be something more like 34/22/20.0 -
I thought the opposite. Tactically limiting because it would cut off soft Remainers. But strategically interesting on the assumption that either Brexit happens or it doesn't and in either case Lib Dems don't have to explain why they were compromising to a poor deal that nobody wants.Byronic said:
We were arguing it was tactically clever (but cynical), and also a strategic mistake.IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
One thing we didn't note, tho, was how it moves the Overton Window on Brexit. With Revoke on the one side, and Leave Now on the other, suddenly a 2nd Brex referendum looks like the sensible centre ground (if such a thing still exists)0 -
I'm remembering it differently. It's not Ode to Joy in that film is it?FF43 said:
In the film A Clockwork Orange I think the main violent character is psychologically conditioned to react against this piece by Beethoven?Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
So Stanley Kubrick anticipating Brexiteers decades before.0 -
Well, the Tories would be -2 from the previous poll, while Labour would be +2 - so that the Labour/Tory swing - which is, after all, the first order determinant of British general elections - would have moved in Labour's direction.HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
So it certainly could be argued. Maybe the sort of argument you might want to keep in reserve in case the Tories were to lose their poll lead to a party other than Labour at some point after October 31st.0 -
Good point.Byronic said:
I doubt many voters differentiate between "government" and "parliament". I see this as British voters blaming an entire political class, and they are right to do so.nico67 said:
I thought the EU would get a higher share of the blame . 34% of Leavers blamed the government .egg said:
Are you ramping the surprise? Looks remarkably like all other binary no deal polling does it not?nico67 said:Interesting YouGov poll on no deal .
Who would be most to blame for a no deal and the results were a bit of a surprise .
The UK government 57%
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Not looking good for BJ!HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
His bounce has burst. He has flopped... 0 -
"There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Davey D, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus chlorinated chicken or GM Soya or corn syrup, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-Brexit!"FF43 said:
In the film A Clockwork Orange I think the main violent character is psychologically conditioned to react against this piece by Beethoven?Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
So Stanley Kubrick anticipating Brexiteers decades before.1 -
Fairly standard party conference season stuff?0
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NB I have no idea if that tweet is reliable. Just for fun, etc1
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In the longer term all parties will be able to refine their policies depending on what happens. It implies a future rejoin policy, but without tying the LibDems down to specifics. If Brexit does get done next month, revoke becomes irrelevant and therefore hard to portray as a strategic mistake.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mostly taking a longer-term view, though. You can't judge it by short-term polling movements (which might have happened anyway, or been even more favourable to the LibDems, without this policy).IanB2 said:
Indeed not; there were some arguing it was a significant mistakeFoxy said:
I don't think that we all agreed that at all!Byronic said:
We all agreed Revoke was cynically clever. Just very very bad for the country, as a precedent (and it is)Foxy said:
Revoke is political suicide, we were told...SandyRentool said:
Conference bounce.TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dems overtake Labour in a poll on the front of tomorrow's Times
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If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
Yes, they can. Look at Scottish Labour post-indyref. I've been saying this for months now.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:
Post eu-ref Scottish Labour's fate is the future of all Labour, under Corbyn.0 -
If those are the figures I agree it’s more worrying for the Tories, but not a surprise, ref the hammering Boris and the conservatives have been taking. Nor is the pyrrhic narrowness of the libdem to labour right after libdem conference meriting the labour trailing headline.SouthamObserver said:
Because if it’s YouGov it shows rises for both Labour and the LDs and a fall for the Tories. But, as I say, I doubt those are the real figures.HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
IMO we won’t get a poll indicative of next springs election until at least December or January.0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
"There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Davey D, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus chlorinated chicken or GM Soya or corn syrup, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-Brexit!"FF43 said:
In the film A Clockwork Orange I think the main violent character is psychologically conditioned to react against this piece by Beethoven?Noo said:
Rousing! Better than the queeny dirge that we're stuck with.OblitusSumMe said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0Noo said:
It's worse than that: I'm a proud European.Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
So Stanley Kubrick anticipating Brexiteers decades before. 0 -
I hope Lib Dems have got some juicy Labour defections lined up for during the Labour conference.
That would be tasty.0 -
I'm sure HYUFD will be excitedly running that through Electoral Calculus as we speak, but IMO no way do the Tories get a majority on 32%. There's going to be atleast some tactical voting.0
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If that’s the poll it’s an excellent one for both conservatives and Lib Dem’s.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
I find it odd that the Times hit the newsstands at 10 pm and it's taken an hour and a half to find the figures.Byronic said:0 -
Right on cue, Cities of London and Westminster LDs have a bar chart out
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I agree but... to the Lib Dems? There is ‘tory little helper’ rabble from even moderate Labour supporters.Byronic said:
Yes, they can. Look at Scottish Labour post-indyref. I've been saying this for months now.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:
Post eu-ref Scottish Labour's fate is the future of all Labour, under Corbyn.0 -
It's much more plausible than the other one. Doesn't that mean these days that it's probably wrong?Byronic said:NB I have no idea if that tweet is reliable. Just for fun, etc
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Given the state of the LDs in many seats across the country in 2015/2017 I suspect there will be a lot of barcharts based on seat projections or extrapolations from polling.HYUFD said:Right on cue, Cities of London and Westminster LDs have a bar chart out
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But Brexit trumps that, just as Scottish independence trumped everything in Scotland. These things are visceral, and revolutionary. That's the point. Brexit is a revolution. there is no "normal" left.Gallowgate said:
I agree but... to the Lib Dems? There is ‘tory little helper’ rabble from even moderate Labour supporters.Byronic said:
Yes, they can. Look at Scottish Labour post-indyref. I've been saying this for months now.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:
Post eu-ref Scottish Labour's fate is the future of all Labour, under Corbyn.0 -
1,800 posts and he’s making like a veteran
You might very well think that, of course I couldn’t possibly comment. 🤔
When considering the Lib Dem move to back revoke, although on the surface extreme ( as has been commented here) it does crystallise with voters who will do what.
In a country exhausted and thoroughly bored with all the antics from both sides of the divide, there is now finally a choice. Revoke and remain Lib Dem; Leave (deal or no deal) Tories. Labour find themselves stranded half way across the English Channel. Effectively they’re saying “we’re going to do all of this again” and give us the pleasure of another referendum. Yay.
Those “youngsters” which Corbyn so effectively attracted last time (apparently) aren’t bothered about the niceties of renegotiation and ratification. They want to stay. Irrespective of the vote 3 years ago which for a 21 year old may be a vote in which they were never able to participate in.
I do feel the helplessness of the under 30s in watching Brexit happening will draw them to the “just get rid of it” crowd.
And for Corbyn. Hmm. For man who’s campaigned passionately on many, sometimes very niche issues over the past 40 years to now be “neutral” on the biggest issue to face this country since the war does seem......odd.
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CBS here in US reporting that Saudi/US have proof the refinery attack was from Iran and was authorized by the Iranian Supreme Leader.0
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Long experience has taught us not to get too excited by conference polls...Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
The SDP topped the polling in 1981 with 50.5%. Fat lot of good that did them when it came to actual votes.
Let's not get over-excited by a conference bounce for the Swinson-brigade. There is a significant wing in her own party that is very unhappy with the new policy position. And we are seeing a lot of attacks from a range of other interest groups.
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YouGov had 5 polls with a Labour share of 19% and 1 poll with a Labour share of 18% since the European Parliament elections.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
Never mind the quantity, feel the length.IanB2 said:Byronic said:
Wilkommen! Good first post. You'll find us a boisterous crowd, but generally kind and sweet-natured, apart from Noo, who is a kunt.ozymandias said:Good evening. After almost 10 years, on-and-off, lurking on here, for the first time I actually feel compelled to post.
First off it’s almost an honour to enter the fray with you ladies and gents.
This episode which has consumed PB this evening - even deserving its own thread - is one of the most bizarre incidents to attract such impassioned comments. As always those who detest Boris, will, no matter what the circumstances, use the episode to further entrench their views. Rightly or wrongly. Those who like him - argue the opposite. There’s no opinion changing event here. Everyone sees and believe me what they want to see.
If Boris were to personally cure cancer tomorrow, his detractors would complain that he ignored those suffering from another potentially fatal disease.
Nevertheless. In all of this one thing is apparent to me. When was the last time Mr Corbyn was let loose from his carers to mix with “ordinary people”? Perhaps instead of being followed and surrounded by his Momentum groupies on any outing and preaching to selected adoring crowds, he actually spoke to the “normal” law abiding, tax paying, mortgage paying, credit card paying, car loan paying, pension saving, charity giving majority of people that would be the first ones his first wonderful “socialist revolution” would drive into the sea.
Anyway. Hello again all. Feels weird posting here 😂
1,800 posts and he’s making like a veteran
I was posting here even before Jack W 😮0 -
Just.for.fun.if.true.on.unsByronic said:
Were you up for Tom Watson?0 -
Probably great news for the Tories - LibDems stripping support from safe Labour city central seats, and the Tories savaging Labour in places like Coventry and Wolverhampton. Maybe even a raft of Birmingham seats come into play for the blues with Labour that low.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
Does this mean any possible general election is going to get kicked down the road by labour?0
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Sleazy broken anti-semitic Brexit-clueless Labour on the slide...Byronic said:0 -
Sean’s one is far more plausible I would say!0
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Yes, astute. It's a deeply unhappy place for this firebrand politician to find himself. On the biggest issue of the day Corbyn is humming and hawing. It must make him quite distressed and angry.ozymandias said:1,800 posts and he’s making like a veteran
You might very well think that, of course I couldn’t possibly comment. 🤔
When considering the Lib Dem move to back revoke, although on the surface extreme ( as has been commented here) it does crystallise with voters who will do what.
In a country exhausted and thoroughly bored with all the antics from both sides of the divide, there is now finally a choice. Revoke and remain Lib Dem; Leave (deal or no deal) Tories. Labour find themselves stranded half way across the English Channel. Effectively they’re saying “we’re going to do all of this again” and give us the pleasure of another referendum. Yay.
Those “youngsters” which Corbyn so effectively attracted last time (apparently) aren’t bothered about the niceties of renegotiation and ratification. They want to stay. Irrespective of the vote 3 years ago which for a 21 year old may be a vote in which they were never able to participate in.
I do feel the helplessness of the under 30s in watching Brexit happening will draw them to the “just get rid of it” crowd.
And for Corbyn. Hmm. For man who’s campaigned passionately on many, sometimes very niche issues over the past 40 years to now be “neutral” on the biggest issue to face this country since the war does seem......odd.
His instinctive Leaverism confronts Labour's instinctive Remainerism. There is no middle ground, the truce cannot hold, there will be blood.
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Seems like referendum first has become more popular again after a brief period where a GE looked like being flavour of the month. And for Labour it has the advantage that hopefully it will hit the Tory rating and eliminate the point of voting LD.FrancisUrquhart said:Does this mean any possible general election is going to get kicked down the road by labour?
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What is it with all the donkeys this evening?MarqueeMark said:
Probably great news for the Tories - LibDems stripping support from safe Labour city central seats, and the Tories savaging Labour in places like Coventry and Wolverhampton. Maybe even a raft of Birmingham seats come into play for the blues with Labour that low.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
No, this really is exciting. Again, look at Scotland after indyref. FFS!oxfordsimon said:The SDP topped the polling in 1981 with 50.5%. Fat lot of good that did them when it came to actual votes.
Let's not get over-excited by a conference bounce for the Swinson-brigade. There is a significant wing in her own party that is very unhappy with the new policy position. And we are seeing a lot of attacks from a range of other interest groups.
Yes, it looks superficially exciting. But it really isn't
Epochal shifts occur after seismic referendums.0 -
I wonder if this apparent two weeks to show us your proposals from the EU is designed to force things to a head .
It’s clear Johnson doesn’t want to reveal anything until after the Tory conference for fear of more party infighting .
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It becomes a shift only when it is reflected in real votes. At the moment, it is indicative of volatility - and Swinson adopting a populist position.Byronic said:
No, this really is exciting. Again, look at Scotland after indyref. FFS!oxfordsimon said:The SDP topped the polling in 1981 with 50.5%. Fat lot of good that did them when it came to actual votes.
Let's not get over-excited by a conference bounce for the Swinson-brigade. There is a significant wing in her own party that is very unhappy with the new policy position. And we are seeing a lot of attacks from a range of other interest groups.
Yes, it looks superficially exciting. But it really isn't
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Would vulnerable Labour MPs not be more motivated to pass a WA brought back pre-31/10 if polling like the one rumoured is correct?
If Brexit can be killed off as live issue pre-GE then they will surely calculate that there is a better chance of seeing LD switchers returning.0 -
From which date does the long experience teach to get excited by polls again, Nick?NickPalmer said:
Long experience has taught us not to get too excited by conference polls...Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
Maybe Tories can see what everybody else can with Boris? He is an utter ass who is completly out of his depth. If Boris is not acting like a ass he is talking out of it...HYUFD said:
What is it with all the donkeys this evening?MarqueeMark said:
Probably great news for the Tories - LibDems stripping support from safe Labour city central seats, and the Tories savaging Labour in places like Coventry and Wolverhampton. Maybe even a raft of Birmingham seats come into play for the blues with Labour that low.Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
No. At least I can't see how that's possible. Even if the Commons voted yet again not to have a GE, there's bound to be a VOC or VONC which the Tories will lose.FrancisUrquhart said:Does this mean any possible general election is going to get kicked down the road by labour?
Also, the polls will shift against the Tories if Boris succeeds (by tweaking the WA) or if he fails (by extending A50). In both circumstances the Brexit Party share will go back up to 20%.0 -
When all posters show consistent results and a sustained period of real change - backed up by real votes.egg said:
From which date does the long experience teach to get excited by polls again, Nick?NickPalmer said:
Long experience has taught us not to get too excited by conference polls...Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
Yes. Good point. Polls like this make a Deal more likely, as Labour MPs become terrified of the Libs.CaptainBuzzkill said:Would vulnerable Labour MPs not be more motivated to pass a WA brought back pre-31/10 if polling like the one rumoured is correct?
If Brexit can be killed off as live issue pre-GE then they will surely calculate that there is a better chance of seeing LD switchers returning.0 -
HYUFD said:
Right on cue, Cities of London and Westminster LDs have a bar chart out
https://twitter.com/grahphil/status/1174447464654495745?s=20
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If that’s half accurate, Labour really need to not cock up next week.... The Tory fate seems linked to Brexit, but it’s all to play for with the other two.0
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It may well have been better for Labour if May hadn't had the car crash campaign she had in the 2017 GE. It could have freed itself of Corbyn by now, and we might have had a tenable alternative government to the Tories, with the Lib Dems still an irrelevance. We'd have left the EU by now, but we'd have a deal, and would probably rejoin the EEA in the near future, if not the EU itself.0
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The graphic credits the Flavible projection from Yougovegg said:HYUFD said:Right on cue, Cities of London and Westminster LDs have a bar chart out
https://twitter.com/grahphil/status/1174447464654495745?s=20
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The SDP's big problem was timing. Firstly, the election didn't come soon enough. Secondly, we had a war.oxfordsimon said:The SDP topped the polling in 1981 with 50.5%. Fat lot of good that did them when it came to actual votes.
Let's not get over-excited by a conference bounce for the Swinson-brigade. There is a significant wing in her own party that is very unhappy with the new policy position. And we are seeing a lot of attacks from a range of other interest groups.
Yes, it looks superficially exciting. But it really isn't
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Traps them a bit though if this is sustained - their fear might be thus: we are losing votes to the LDs because they have switched to revoke. If we help pass a deal all those remainers who like revoke will be even angrier at us! So we had better avoid a GE. But that makes us look frit.Byronic said:
Yes. Good point. Polls like this make a Deal more likely, as Labour MPs become terrified of the Libs.CaptainBuzzkill said:Would vulnerable Labour MPs not be more motivated to pass a WA brought back pre-31/10 if polling like the one rumoured is correct?
If Brexit can be killed off as live issue pre-GE then they will surely calculate that there is a better chance of seeing LD switchers returning.
I'm just not sure enough of them are thinking far enough ahead to hope that by killing off Brexit as an issue (or rather at least the question of if we are leaving at all) it will mean a return to a focus on issues that they would prefer to focus upon.0 -
I’m still getting blow job every time someone’s posts BJ. You have to use bojoThe_Taxman said:
Not looking good for BJ!HYUFD said:
How could having a 4 point lead be worse for the Tories than coming THIRD?SouthamObserver said:
That looks like nonsense. If true, though, it would be worse for the Tories than Labour.Anabobazina said:
For what little it is worth, it’s been reported on Twitter as 30/26/25 - quite probably bollocks of course...TheScreamingEagles said:The figures go up on the Times website by around 00.15 but I'm knackered so I'm not sure if I'll be awake to publish the figures.
His bounce has burst. He has flopped...0 -
Looks like Corbyn could have made the biggest gaffe in recent political history, voting against a Withdrawal Agreement which could have moved the conversation beyond Brexit onto domestic issues where he is stronger and instead leading to May being replaced by the more charismatic Boris on a clear Brexit line with the LDs moving to revoke leaving Labour to be run over in the middleByronic said:
Yes. Good point. Polls like this make a Deal more likely, as Labour MPs become terrified of the Libs.CaptainBuzzkill said:Would vulnerable Labour MPs not be more motivated to pass a WA brought back pre-31/10 if polling like the one rumoured is correct?
If Brexit can be killed off as live issue pre-GE then they will surely calculate that there is a better chance of seeing LD switchers returning.0 -
I would have thought the opposite - voting for Brexit to happen could be to Labour MPs what voting for tuition fees was for the Lib Dems. It would be seen as a betrayal to vote for a Tory Brexit.CaptainBuzzkill said:Would vulnerable Labour MPs not be more motivated to pass a WA brought back pre-31/10 if polling like the one rumoured is correct?
If Brexit can be killed off as live issue pre-GE then they will surely calculate that there is a better chance of seeing LD switchers returning.0 -
Will we get that Before the actual GE day?oxfordsimon said:
When all posters show consistent results and a sustained period of real change - backed up by real votes.egg said:
From which date does the long experience teach to get excited by polls again, Nick?NickPalmer said:
Long experience has taught us not to get too excited by conference polls...Gallowgate said:
If that is true... What is the Labour floor? Surely they can’t go much lower than that.Byronic said:0 -
It might be rising - but it isn't yet soaring.Dadge said:
The SDP's big problem was timing. Firstly, the election didn't come soon enough. Secondly, we had a war.oxfordsimon said:The SDP topped the polling in 1981 with 50.5%. Fat lot of good that did them when it came to actual votes.
Let's not get over-excited by a conference bounce for the Swinson-brigade. There is a significant wing in her own party that is very unhappy with the new policy position. And we are seeing a lot of attacks from a range of other interest groups.
Yes, it looks superficially exciting. But it really isn't
The LibDem mojo is rising just before a GE, so the omens are good. Or bad, if you don't like the progressives splitting their votes.
And I am not sure that any party has the right to call itself progressive right now.0
