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  • TOPPING said:

    10 of them.
    So they're voting on it then.
  • Said this before but the LibDems made a big mistake voting in a lightweight leader. Ed Davey would be much more credible. They made exactly the same mistake with choosing Farron over Lamb.
    Also in teaming up with Corbyn. Same mistake as Clegg made.

    Now it is Boris v Corbyn and whatshername will not get a look in.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329

    Wtf is Peterson talking about? These are cold calls, made en masse, designed to get a lot of money from a very small proportion of callers. They're not spending time researching their victims and developing a whole spoof identity around the supposed relative
    He’s talking about the ability to show someone saying stuff in their exact voice they they didn’t say and how it could be used for bad
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Here's a thing. It's Remainers who want a general election and Leavers who don't:

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1167437878793789441
  • LOL!

    The PM has always had the right to fire all SPADs. Firing a SPAD who committed Gross Misconduct after being warned what the consequences would be if they continued to commit Gross Misconduct is anything but emasculation and humiliation.

    The leaking culture needs to end and this may do it.

    A key member of the Chancellor’s team has been fired without the Chancellor being consulted or even warned. Cummings has shown total contempt for Javid. He has shown the world that he is entirely irrelevant and that his input is of absolutely no importance. That is the very essence of emasculation and humiliation.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    So they're voting on it then.

    You mean you would be happy if a group had limited but absolutely democratic input via the votes of elected representatives into the decisions of a larger body politic in which sometimes they would get their way and sometimes they wouldn't? And which they were happy to take part because overall they see plenty of benefit to such an arrangement?

    You would be happy with such a system? Is that what you are saying?
  • Said this before but the LibDems made a big mistake voting in a lightweight leader. Ed Davey would be much more credible. They made exactly the same mistake with choosing Farron over Lamb.

    What the numbers show is that compared to the other three Swinson is not as well known.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,329

    I am regularly getting calls at work from withheld numbers that immediately hang up. I've come to the conclusion that they are trying to get a recording of my voice.

    I do not give my name when answering such calls.

    Could be. Scary
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    Where's the MORI voting intention?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,983

    A key member of the Chancellor’s team has been fired without the Chancellor being consulted or even warned. Cummings has shown total contempt for Javid. He has shown the world that he is entirely irrelevant and that his input is of absolutely no importance. That is the very essence of emasculation and humiliation.

    Quite right. Will Javid even be involved in writing the next Budget, or will Cummings just hand him what he has to read out five minutes before?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,636

    Javid has been emasculated and humiliated. I genuinely cannot believe he has not resigned.

    He'd be a fool to resign over this, especially since evidence might emerge showing the person was guilty.

    I can understand him being angry at lack of consultation, but you don't throw away the pinnacle of your professional career a few weeks in for this.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    What the numbers show is that compared to the other three Swinson is not as well known.

    Yes - but a big danger for her and the LDs is to get too close to Corbyn. She knows it but is being outplayed at the moment. Any hint of Corbyn getting his reins on power could see switchers return to the blues.
  • TOPPING said:

    You mean you would be happy if a group had limited but absolutely democratic input via the votes of elected representatives into the decisions of a larger body politic in which sometimes they would get their way and sometimes they wouldn't? And which they were happy to take part because overall they see plenty of benefit to such an arrangement?

    You would be happy with such a system? Is that what you are saying?
    I'm saying that would be a fine system yes, it would be democratic.

    I've never said otherwise. Ask @SouthamObserver we've had this discussion repeatedly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    edited August 2019

    Here's a thing. It's Remainers who want a general election and Leavers who don't:

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1167437878793789441

    lol, should be the other way round according to Curtice.

    Remain needs another referendum, leave is better off with a General Election.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    I'm saying that would be a fine system yes, it would be democratic.

    I've never said otherwise. Ask @SouthamObserver we've had this discussion repeatedly.
    Excellent. And the difference between the arrangement I've outlined above and the UK's membership of the EU is what?
  • A key member of the Chancellor’s team has been fired without the Chancellor being consulted or even warned. Cummings has shown total contempt for Javid. He has shown the world that he is entirely irrelevant and that his input is of absolutely no importance. That is the very essence of emasculation and humiliation.

    Actually I think the Chancellor was warned, as were the SPADs. Everyone was warned what the consequences would be of Gross Misconduct.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    TOPPING said:

    You mean you would be happy if a group had limited but absolutely democratic input via the votes of elected representatives into the decisions of a larger body politic in which sometimes they would get their way and sometimes they wouldn't? And which they were happy to take part because overall they see plenty of benefit to such an arrangement?

    You would be happy with such a system? Is that what you are saying?
    😁😂
  • felix said:

    Yes - but a big danger for her and the LDs is to get too close to Corbyn. She knows it but is being outplayed at the moment. Any hint of Corbyn getting his reins on power could see switchers return to the blues.

    YouGov shows a four point rise for the LDs. I’m not sure that indicates they are being outplayed.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,636



    The leaking culture needs to end and this may do it.

    Ludicrously optimistic since a) they may have wrong person b) Gavin Williamson is in cabinet.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Imaginary friends are a sign of a lively, creative mind. But they are leaving us
    Daisy Buchanan

    Research suggests that fewer children have invisible playmates. We must help them rediscover the art of being bored"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/30/imaginary-friends-creative-mind-children
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,108
    HYUFD said:

    More than the SCons got in Shetland in 2011
    With progress like that, they should be able to save their deposit in the 2099 election....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,852

    YouGov shows a four point rise for the LDs. I’m not sure that indicates they are being outplayed.

    For the first time, YouGov also has an absolute majority saying the decision to leave was wrong.
  • Quite right. Will Javid even be involved in writing the next Budget, or will Cummings just hand him what he has to read out five minutes before?

    It’s clear Cummings will be signing it off and will redline anything he doesn’t like. I wonder if Johnson will bother looking it over.

  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    A key member of the Chancellor’s team has been fired without the Chancellor being consulted or even warned. Cummings has shown total contempt for Javid. He has shown the world that he is entirely irrelevant and that his input is of absolutely no importance. That is the very essence of emasculation and humiliation.

    I am surprise the lady has not yet spoken to the media. Perhaps she is agreeing a deal with a Sunday newspaper!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    edited August 2019
    Scott_P said:
    What magnificent pompous nonsense. Great stuff. Good theatre. Absolute substitution activity for people who can organise for what they don't want but can't organise for what they do. Keeps the wolf from the door and their children from starving for some constitutional lawyers and their penurious instructing solicitors.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    justin124 said:

    I am surprise the lady has not yet spoken to the media. Perhaps she is agreeing a deal with a Sunday newspaper!
    Probably sacked with a compromise agreement and nda
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    felix said:

    OMG You miss the point spectacularly. It was rightly condemned at the time for the tone by lots of remainers. and let's not forget yesterday's suggestion by Philip Pullman that he'd like Boris to be strung up.
    For which he apologised almost straight away, acknowledging such suggestions are indefensible. As they are.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    YouGov shows a four point rise for the LDs. I’m not sure that indicates they are being outplayed.

    Other polls are not so good for them.
  • TOPPING said:

    Excellent. And the difference between the arrangement I've outlined above and the UK's membership of the EU is what?
    None.

    The EU Parliament is democratic - the backstop is not. Hence why I have no qualms with Remaining and was a Remainer for almost all my life. Hence why I've said though its not my preference even Remaining would be better than leaving into the backstop.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101
    TOPPING said:

    Agree. Everyone needs to find a way to climb down with honour. If Boris can point to Teeside and other regions and say - as with them, so with NI, then absolutely. SEZ sounds positively positive.

    Will such practicality come to pass? Not sure. Would Francois, et al be equally persuaded? Hope so.
    Not a chance
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    For the first time, YouGov also has an absolute majority saying the decision to leave was wrong.
    53:31 say that the prorogation was wrong.

    Most interestingly, 72% think the government is handling Britain's exit from the EU badly (52% very badly). This is not a government with any real support for its main policy.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,101

    Javid has been emasculated and humiliated. I genuinely cannot believe he has not resigned.

    He will not give up the dosh and the fancy cars for something as small as emasculation and humiliation. Best paid clerks in the country.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    And yet again, YouGov have had to heavily downweight Remainers in their sample.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,738

    53:31 say that the prorogation was wrong.

    Most interestingly, 72% think the government is handling Britain's exit from the EU badly (52% very badly). This is not a government with any real support for its main policy.
    Main policy or only policy?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    None.

    The EU Parliament is democratic - the backstop is not. Hence why I have no qualms with Remaining and was a Remainer for almost all my life. Hence why I've said though its not my preference even Remaining would be better than leaving into the backstop.
    We could leave the backstop any time we wanted to. Just like the EU.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329

    And yet again, YouGov have had to heavily downweight Remainers in their sample.

    Because political opinion poll panels over represent the politically engaged?
  • For the first time, YouGov also has an absolute majority saying the decision to leave was wrong.

    Obviously, it’s just one poll, but we’re still in August - and No Deal is still very abstract.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Here's a thing. It's Remainers who want a general election and Leavers who don't:

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1167437878793789441

    I have long thought that the enthusiasm gap could really hurt the Tories at the next election, especially if coupled with significant tactical voting by Remainers. I think this poll provides evidence for that - Labour voters and Remainers are hungry for a chance to vote and stop the country's descent into disaster (as they see it).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    nichomar said:

    Probably sacked with a compromise agreement and nda
    Who knows ?

    Cummins is a jumped up little shit, from the sound of it.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/sajid-javid-was-not-told-in-advance-of-advisers-sacking-by-cummings
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    felix said:

    Other polls are not so good for them.

    What are hypothetical opinion polls for if not to give people of all political persuasions ammo for endless nit picking and point scoring?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733

    53:31 say that the prorogation was wrong.

    Most interestingly, 72% think the government is handling Britain's exit from the EU badly (52% very badly). This is not a government with any real support for its main policy.
    And run by the unelected appointee of a man without a mandate, other than the votes of a handful of party members.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,273

    53:31 say that the prorogation was wrong.

    Most interestingly, 72% think the government is handling Britain's exit from the EU badly (52% very badly). This is not a government with any real support for its main policy.
    Its main policy is not to exit the EU but to get someone other than the govt to arrange a further extension.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    It’s like trying to debate religion with a member of Islamic State.
    He truly is bonkers. The SCons got absolutely whipped yesterday in Shetland and HY is droning on about how well they did. He is just beyond reason.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234

    Its main policy is not to exit the EU but to get someone other than the govt to arrange a further extension.
    That's the dream.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Nigelb said:

    Who knows ?

    Cummins is a jumped up little shit, from the sound of it.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/sajid-javid-was-not-told-in-advance-of-advisers-sacking-by-cummings
    Well we didn't really need to judge Johnson by the company he keeps because we know what he is like. For those more gullible folk who feel they like Mr Charlatan, maybe they should take a closer look at the repulsive individual that BoZo has allowed to be his puppet master
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Mr. Topping, the point of the backstop is that we can't leave whenever we like...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    TOPPING said:


    I have certainly agreed that it won't be armageddon although frankly I have no idea what the effects of no deal will be.

    I am not entirely convinced that our trump card is the £30bn. An "emergency" contribution from members would yield that in an instant should it be required. It really is a pinprick compared with each member state's budget (although not the EU's budget).

    Having exhausted the German carmakers and the Italian prosecco makers as our potential saviours, I really don't see the budget contribution as being the game changer and of frightening the EU into capitulation.

    What is it that we've exhausted exactly? So far the countries wherein lie the prosecco and car makers have (thanks to our politicians following the Topping school of negotiation) had a choice between giving us a deal we can accept, and giving us a deal we cannot accept, but cannot refuse, meaning we stay in. I don't blame them for giving us a shit deal - it's purely down to their good nature we haven't been asked to give them the Crown jewels, the Isle of Wight, and breakfast in bed three times a week.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    edited August 2019
    Oh my God.

    Someone break it to Neil Kinnock, his Sheffield Rally is no longer the most cringeworthy embarrassing shouting in British political history 😳🙈🤣

    Bet Boris is shitting himself, the F word makes it so scary!!

    https://twitter.com/paulembery/status/1166796565429870592?s=21
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    New market

    Next GE - Thurrock (Con Maj 345, Jackie Doyle-Price MP)

    Con 2/5
    Bxp 4/1
    Lab 4/1
    LD 100/1
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    isam said:

    Oh my God.

    Someone break it to Neil Kinnock, his Sheffield Rally is no longer the most cringeworthy embarrassing shouting in British political history 😳🙈🤣

    Bet Boris is shitting himself, the F word makes it so scary!!

    https://twitter.com/paulembery/status/1166796565429870592?s=21

    Pathetic
  • TOPPING said:

    We could leave the backstop any time we wanted to. Just like the EU.
    Fine, then lets leave it instantly via not entering it.

    Oh wait no, that defeats the point of a backstop doesn't it?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    justin124 said:

    I am surprise the lady has not yet spoken to the media. Perhaps she is agreeing a deal with a Sunday newspaper!
    What can they do? Sack her twice?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Its main policy is not to exit the EU but to get someone other than the govt to arrange a further extension.
    Yepp.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829

    A pause for one whole day!?

    OMG this changes everything! How could we have been so blind as to lead to a one day pause in production! I'm sorry everyone, oh so sorry. I was wrong, very wrong, I never realised we would lose an ENTIRE DAY of production. What can we do to prevent this!?
    Don't say the word 'pause' so loud please, we've just got through one round of street protests.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    Because political opinion poll panels over represent the politically engaged?
    We don't know why. But a lot of pollsters seem to have a problem reaching enough Leavers. The possibilities include:

    1) false recall
    2) Leave respondents lying or shy
    3) some Leavers are hard to reach
    4) the turnover in the electorate has changed the appropriate sample
    5) political opinion poll panels are not sufficiently representative of the public

    YouGov have shown that 1 and 2 are in the mix, because the same respondents are giving different answers to this question from what they gave a couple of years ago.

    As to what it all means, that's unclear.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Mr. Isam, it is indeed rather Monty Python.

    One hopes an enterprising coconut salesman made a mint off the crowd of individuals.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited August 2019
    deleted
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    F1: second practice over. Bottas a tiny bit faster than Hamilton in both so far.

    Hard to judge the comically large advantage Ferrari appear to have.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Mrs C, didn't Mr. Thompson vote remain? [Apologies if I've misremembered].
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    What can they do? Sack her twice?
    Prosecute. Under the Official Secrets Act.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited August 2019

    What is it that we've exhausted exactly? So far the countries wherein lie the prosecco and car makers have (thanks to our politicians following the Topping school of negotiation) had a choice between giving us a deal we can accept, and giving us a deal we cannot accept, but cannot refuse, meaning we stay in. I don't blame them for giving us a shit deal - it's purely down to their good nature we haven't been asked to give them the Crown jewels, the Isle of Wight, and breakfast in bed three times a week.
    We haven't negotiated any deal brainbox, the WA was drawn up so that we could then negotiate a deal.

    Plus you are hinging everything on a piddly £30bn. And that is supposed to be a good negotiating tactic? LOL
  • F1: second practice over. Bottas a tiny bit faster than Hamilton in both so far.

    Hard to judge the comically large advantage Ferrari appear to have.

    Here's one way of judging-

    Belgium Grand Prix Winner (BFE)
    Hamilton 3.15
    Vettel 3.9
    Le Clerc 3.9
    (slow coach) Bottas 9.4
    Verstappen 11.5

    I'm thinking Le Clerc at the price ?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    Mrs C, didn't Mr. Thompson vote remain? [Apologies if I've misremembered].

    I am sure he will inform us - in any case, someone else had more or less duplicated the post downthread so I deleted it
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    Fine, then lets leave it instantly via not entering it.

    Oh wait no, that defeats the point of a backstop doesn't it?
    We could leave it whenever we wanted. But we are a law-abiding nation which enters into agreements for mutually beneficial outcomes. The backstop is one of those agreements wherein we have to give up a degree of absolute autonomy in return for a benefit for us and so does the EU.

    Short of a colouring book I'm not sure how else to keep explaining this to you.
  • justin124 said:

    I am surprise the lady has not yet spoken to the media. Perhaps she is agreeing a deal with a Sunday newspaper!
    I think you'll find she has been speaking to the media and that's why she was fired.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    edited August 2019

    Well we didn't really need to judge Johnson by the company he keeps because we know what he is like. For those more gullible folk who feel they like Mr Charlatan, maybe they should take a closer look at the repulsive individual that BoZo has allowed to be his puppet master
    we didn't really need to judge Johnson by the company he keeps

    can we judge him by his recent critics ?

    Hugh Grant - lots of children by different women and that unfortuate incident in LA

    John Major - Edwina - nuff said

    Corbyn - more wives than BoJo and those exotic trips to East Germany

    Its hard to take the moral high ground when theyre all in the swamp.

  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Don't say the word 'pause' so loud please, we've just got through one round of street protests.
    Trying to be funny is a very, very high risk strategy for Leavers atm. They are in danger of looking like that US tv comic with his go on Donald, I double dare you to run for president shtick - i.e., like complete dorks.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited August 2019

    New market:

    Next GE - Watford (Con Maj 2,092, Richard Harrington MP)

    Con 1/3
    LD 7/2
    Lab 6/1

    (Shadsy)

    Rather surprising given the 2017 result


    Conservative Richard Harrington 26,731 45.6 +2.2
    Labour Chris Ostrowski 24,639 42.0 +16.0
    Liberal Democrat Ian Stotesbury 5,335 9.1 -9.0
    UKIP Ian Green 1,184 2.0 -7.7
    Green Alex Murray 721 1.2 -1.1

    Majority
    2,092 3.6 -13.8


    It is an area where the LDs do much better at Local Elections.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    Nigelb said:

    And run by the unelected appointee of a man without a mandate, other than the votes of a handful of party members.
    If your "handful" has 138,000 fingers, you must be from Norfolk.....
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    Prosecute. Under the Official Secrets Act.
    Being fired is an offence? If she was disclosing stuff about her work then yes, the OSA would apply, but to disclose what is effectively a personnel matter concerning her own employment?
  • TOPPING said:

    We could leave it whenever we wanted. But we are a law-abiding nation which enters into agreements for mutually beneficial outcomes. The backstop is one of those agreements wherein we have to give up a degree of absolute autonomy in return for a benefit for us and so does the EU.

    Short of a colouring book I'm not sure how else to keep explaining this to you.
    No we don't have to give it up. You want us to, that's different to having to do so.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    we didn't really need to judge Johnson by the company he keeps

    can we judge him by his recent critics ?

    Hugh Grant - lots of children by different women and that unfortuate incident in LA

    John Major - Edwina - nuff said

    Corbyn - more wives than BoJo and those exotic trips to East Germany

    Its hard to take the moral high ground when theyre all in the swamp.

    You forgot Tom Watson for whom the word odious is inadequate.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I think you'll find she has been speaking to the media and that's why she was fired.
    You know this for certain, do you?

    There's been a proper disciplinary process and legal advice obtained to make sure that the dismissal was fair, both substantively and procedurally, has there?

    There's no question, is there, that she might be acting as a whistleblower, in which case, firing her would land the government in deep - and expensive - trouble?

    Or are you just making up shit because you're assuming what you would like to be true?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    TOPPING said:

    We haven't negotiated any deal brainbox, the WA was drawn up so that we could then negotiate a deal.

    Plus you are hinging everything on a piddly £30bn. And that is supposed to be a good negotiating tactic? LOL
    The judgment of May's deal as "shit" is largely a rhetorical one, as most people never bothered to work out exactly what it entailed, beyond getting highly excited about a NI arrangement which had and has the support of the majority of NI's electorate.

    To be fair that was more May's responsibility than anyone else's, as she went out of her way not to sell it to anyone, and left the field open for two years of condemnation from both hard Brexiteers and hard Remainers.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Mr. Briskin, hard to tell between Vettel and Leclerc at the moment, I think.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Cyclefree said:

    You know this for certain, do you?

    There's been a proper disciplinary process and legal advice obtained to make sure that the dismissal was fair, both substantively and procedurally, has there?

    There's no question, is there, that she might be acting as a whistleblower, in which case, firing her would land the government in deep - and expensive - trouble?

    Or are you just making up shit because you're assuming what you would like to be true?

    I think you'll find that latter supposition is correct. :smile:
  • Being fired is an offence? If she was disclosing stuff about her work then yes, the OSA would apply, but to disclose what is effectively a personnel matter concerning her own employment?
    She was leaking official secrets which was a Gross Misconduct offence for which she was sacked but not yet prosecuted. Just because the case hasn't been handed to the Police yet doesn't mean it can't be.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    Being fired is an offence? If she was disclosing stuff about her work then yes, the OSA would apply, but to disclose what is effectively a personnel matter concerning her own employment?
    She may have been given the choice: go quietly, signing this NDA with gagging clauses- or not and be prosecuted.

    We don't know.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    edited August 2019



    She was leaking official secrets which was a Gross Misconduct offence for which she was sacked but not yet prosecuted. Just because the case hasn't been handed to the Police yet doesn't mean it can't be.

    Do you have a scintilla of evidence to justify that libellous allegation ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/sajid-javid-was-not-told-in-advance-of-advisers-sacking-by-cummings
    Downing Street made clear that Khan was not being blamed for the leak of the Yellowhammer documents on no-deal planning. A senior government source said: “Sonia Khan was not responsible for the Yellowhammer leak.”

    Whitehall sources confirmed that the reason Khan was dismissed on the spot was because she had been in contact with people from a group of Conservative politicians working against Johnson by trying to work out ways to avoid a no-deal Brexit, and that she had lied about her contact with them.

    Three other women in senior advisory, policy and organisational roles in the Conservative party have also left since Johnson became prime minister.

    Sources close to the government have described an emerging pattern in the way they have been dismissed, which they have described as “opaque and shocking” and not always involving a clear explanation of what they have done wrong.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Cyclefree said:

    You know this for certain, do you?

    There's been a proper disciplinary process and legal advice obtained to make sure that the dismissal was fair, both substantively and procedurally, has there?

    There's no question, is there, that she might be acting as a whistleblower, in which case, firing her would land the government in deep - and expensive - trouble?

    Or are you just making up shit because you're assuming what you would like to be true?

    Errm, he just said fired - not lawfully fired, or justifiably fired - so I don't see that any of that is really on point.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    nichomar said:

    Probably sacked with a compromise agreement and nda
    It all sounds too precipitate for that. Apparently she was a staunch Leave supporter too.

    Boris isn't going to have many friends with Cummings as his axeman.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    No we don't have to give it up. You want us to, that's different to having to do so.
    How do you view negotiations? You get everything you want? The other side does? This is precisely the problem. If you put your old Remainer hat on you will see that the WA including the backstop is a very sensible best arrangement possible for what is a hugely sensitive issue. Issues, if you include the EU citizens, which as we are seeing is turning into a car crash.

    But no - you have got HYUFD disease. Everything is in absolutes. But it needn't be and is not the egregious surrender you think it is. It simply isn't but, as they say there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker/drinker/remainer and I don't expect you to reclaim any of the balance you once had.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Errm, he just said fired - not lawfully fired, or justifiably fired - so I don't see that any of that is really on point.
    He also accused the lady of leaking official secrets and suggested she be prosecuted.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    edited August 2019
    TOPPING said:

    We haven't negotiated any deal brainbox, the WA was drawn up so that we could then negotiate a deal.

    Plus you are hinging everything on a piddly £30bn. And that is supposed to be a good negotiating tactic? LOL
    Arguing on semantics is as good as losing. You'll be critiquing my sentence structure next.

    Nor am I hinging 'everything' on a 'piddling' 30bn, I merely made the clearly somewhat radical suggestion that the EU would like the sum in its bank account rather than ours.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Foxy said:

    It all sounds too precipitate for that...
    Again, who knows.
    I wouldn't be surprised if he has a form letter NDA for these occasions...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    She was leaking official secrets which was a Gross Misconduct offence for which she was sacked but not yet prosecuted. Just because the case hasn't been handed to the Police yet doesn't mean it can't be.
    Wow! You actually KNOW? The rest of us were just speculating because.... we weren't there.

    Unlike you it would seem ...
  • Sky Ticker - Bozo: "I'm afraid that the more our friends and partners think at the back of their minds that Brexit might be stopped in the uk by parliament the less likely they are to give us the deal we need."

    Spot on Bozo, No-Deal Brexit nailed on because of sulky remainers.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Foxy said:

    It all sounds too precipitate for that. Apparently she was a staunch Leave supporter too.

    Boris isn't going to have many friends with Cummings as his axeman.
    Good
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,176
    @Philip_Thompson is once again ranting on about something with certainty on which he knows nothing about.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,291
    AndyJS said:

    "Imaginary friends are a sign of a lively, creative mind. But they are leaving us
    Daisy Buchanan

    Research suggests that fewer children have invisible playmates. We must help them rediscover the art of being bored"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/30/imaginary-friends-creative-mind-children

    Daisy Buchanan!? Who's the editor: Bruce Wayne??
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,176

    She may have been given the choice: go quietly, signing this NDA with gagging clauses- or not and be prosecuted.

    We don't know.
    Exactly. We don’t know.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Mr. Viewcode, lots of politicians these days seem to have voter-repelling Batspray.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    Arguing on semantics is as good as losing. You'll be critiquing my sentence structure next.

    Nor am I hinging 'everything' on a 'piddling' 30bn, I merely made the clearly somewhat radical suggestion that the EU would like the sum in its bank account rather than ours.
    Semantics? The WA was a preliminary agreement so that we could negotiate a trade deal, the famous future trading relationship. That's substance not semantics.

    And as for the £30bn we established that that's all you are basing your negotiating position on.

    Either the threat of no deal is calamitous and will force the EU to the negotiating table, or it is nothing to worry about so the EU will ignore it in much the same way that you are. It has to be one and you haven't told me which it is.
  • ab195ab195 Posts: 477

    We don't know why. But a lot of pollsters seem to have a problem reaching enough Leavers. The possibilities include:

    1) false recall
    2) Leave respondents lying or shy
    3) some Leavers are hard to reach
    4) the turnover in the electorate has changed the appropriate sample
    5) political opinion poll panels are not sufficiently representative of the public

    YouGov have shown that 1 and 2 are in the mix, because the same respondents are giving different answers to this question from what they gave a couple of years ago.

    As to what it all means, that's unclear.
    It’s an interesting statistical question. At what point are you correcting your sample by so much that you should conclude your “correction” methodology is wrong?

    I’d like to leave the EU, but I can tell the difference between what I’d like to be popular and what is. It’s hard to look at any cross section of polls and conclude the public wouldn’t vote to remain if the vote was tomorrow.

    Now I’d argue a chunk of them would be doing so through fear and could be persuaded in a campaign and/or would lose their pro-EU views if we left and it was ok; but I have no evidence for that and you probably think something else. Either way - that’s for the future and as a snapshot, the british people certainly don’t want a No Deal as I do, and they may very well just wish to Remain.

    There’s been enough of a shift, somehow, to tinker with past vote weighting assumptions and that makes me nervous of what we can learn from straight up voting intentions.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Errm, he just said fired - not lawfully fired, or justifiably fired - so I don't see that any of that is really on point.
    He does not know she was speaking to the media. He knows nothing about the circumstances of the case at all. He is making assumptions.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited August 2019
    Just had a 'nuisance' call from an 01296 number; someone purporting to represent a firm called "Call Guardian'. Guy ..... heavy South Asian accent ...... knew my name. I think he was trying to sign me up to some protection racket.
    His number's on my 'Call Protect' now. 01296 is Aylesbury.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    To cheer us up...

    ‘Huge drugs bust’ at Gatwick turns out to be vegan cake mix
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/30/drugs-bust-gatwick-airport-vegan-cake-mix
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    TOPPING said:

    Semantics? The WA was a preliminary agreement so that we could negotiate a trade deal, the famous future trading relationship. That's substance not semantics.

    And as for the £30bn we established that that's all you are basing your negotiating position on.

    Either the threat of no deal is calamitous and will force the EU to the negotiating table, or it is nothing to worry about so the EU will ignore it in much the same way that you are. It has to be one and you haven't told me which it is.
    It's a Schroedinger's No Deal.

    Terrifies the EU, but nothing for us to bother out little heads about.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918

    Sky Ticker - Bozo: "I'm afraid that the more our friends and partners think at the back of their minds that Brexit might be stopped in the uk by parliament the less likely they are to give us the deal we need."

    Spot on Bozo, No-Deal Brexit nailed on because of sulky remainers.

    Spot on.

    Behave in a calamitously stupid and dishonest way, then try to blame everyone else in sight.

    Spot on for Boris Johnson, anyhow.
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