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The tweet from @TeamSaj quoting what he said in the C4 debate has been deleted. But here is what he said. You can’t delete that. https://t.co/1L5iQgtjAv
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What next has always been the question.
Does anyone think "getting Brexit over the line", then winning a GE, possibly with a third of the vote or less, with c half the population embittered is a recipe for harmonious government and society?0 -
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I dunno. It reminds me of a really shit New Order album.kinabalu said:
Clever slogan. "Get Ready". Makes it sound exciting. A blockbuster movie you can't wait to see. The start of the Ashes. The ETA of the A list celeb to the party. And subliminally a feelgood motown song. Nice one by Gove.Scott_P said:0 -
They don’t care. They just want to be lord of the ashes.dixiedean said:What next has always been the question.
Does anyone think "getting Brexit over the line", then winning a GE, possibly with a third of the vote or less, with c half the population embittered is a recipe for harmonious government and society?0 -
What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!3 -
👏HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!0 -
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Is there such an album?El_Capitano said:FPT
I dunno. It reminds me of a really shit New Order album.kinabalu said:
Clever slogan. "Get Ready". Makes it sound exciting. A blockbuster movie you can't wait to see. The start of the Ashes. The ETA of the A list celeb to the party. And subliminally a feelgood motown song. Nice one by Gove.Scott_P said:0 -
“God give me Parliamentary sovereignty, but not yet!”
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Interesting article by Alastair.
Brexit is so riven by contridictions, the absurdity of its execution is so stupid one wonders how anyone sane can support it. Those cabinet ministers who opposed shutting down parliament in the past should resign next week...0 -
"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/11671615556471070730 -
Get Ready and Sirens’ Call are both complacent and uninspired in my ever so humble opinion, excepting Crystal and Krafty.rottenborough said:
Is there such an album?El_Capitano said:FPT
I dunno. It reminds me of a really shit New Order album.kinabalu said:
Clever slogan. "Get Ready". Makes it sound exciting. A blockbuster movie you can't wait to see. The start of the Ashes. The ETA of the A list celeb to the party. And subliminally a feelgood motown song. Nice one by Gove.Scott_P said:
Music Complete is a masterpiece, though.0 -
This rubbish is not helpful.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/11671615556471070730 -
Philip Thompson, may I introduce you to the British Monarchy?Philip_Thompson said:The end of jobs for life replaced with evolution and a dynamic survival of the fittest.
Monarchy = Socialism!
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Yep.Gallowgate said:
This rubbish is not helpful.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
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The hard left are going to incite riots.Gallowgate said:
This rubbish is not helpful.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1167161555647107073
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How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.0 -
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:0 -
Utter crap, monarchy is the essence of British conservatism, the Tory Party was the party of the monarchy long before it was the party of free trade. If you support free trade but not the monarchy you are a liberal, not a British conservative.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Philip Thompson, may I introduce you to the British Monarchy?Philip_Thompson said:The end of jobs for life replaced with evolution and a dynamic survival of the fittest.
Monarchy = Socialism!
Government control of most of the economy is socialism0 -
Looks that way. And then the GE is a Johnson landslide.Floater said:
The hard left are going to incite riots.Gallowgate said:
This rubbish is not helpful.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1167161555647107073
That Seamus Milne strategy of Tory chaos is looking a bit ropey tonight.0 -
I will never ever understand why you persist in suggesting the defining feature of socialism is jobs for life, and therefore it is clearly, even in jest, the same as monarchy. When I think of socialism I definitely don't immediately think of jobs for life.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Philip Thompson, may I introduce you to the British Monarchy?Philip_Thompson said:The end of jobs for life replaced with evolution and a dynamic survival of the fittest.
Monarchy = Socialism!0 -
I thought the Corbynite hard left wanted No Deal? Or was that last week?Floater said:
The hard left are going to incite riots.Gallowgate said:
This rubbish is not helpful.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/11671615556471070730 -
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.1 -
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By the morning corbyn and Mac need to have control of the Labour movements language. At the moment it’s like Cummings is writing what to say and tweet for them 🤣Floater said:
The hard left are going to incite riots.Gallowgate said:
This rubbish is not helpful.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/11671615556471070731 -
It would be a silly move. One minor positive to come from Boris's latest actions should be that people stop trying to play silly buggers and tackle things head on. MPs have danced around mythical deals and repeated extensions with no purpose other than delay for long enough - they know how to stop no deal, there are several ways, and simply trying to kick the can by some milquetoast option that pretends other deals are just round the corner is not the way to do this.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:0 -
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.
If Boris delivers Brexit he will win the next general election, if he does not he will lose it, it is that simple0 -
Interesting discussion on Newsnight of the various options and scenarios.0
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That's Lord Stokes of Cockermouth. Position filled. And he's got form in fighting folk who argue too.Gallowgate said:
They don’t care. They just want to be lord of the ashes.dixiedean said:What next has always been the question.
Does anyone think "getting Brexit over the line", then winning a GE, possibly with a third of the vote or less, with c half the population embittered is a recipe for harmonious government and society?1 -
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Is it a five hour special?AndyJS said:Interesting discussion on Newsnight of the various options and scenarios.
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What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal
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Is Javid going to stand for this?Scott_P said:Not a purge...
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1167198357447696386
Or are we at the "i'm only a Cabinet minister" stage of it all already?
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That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/11671945464695070720 -
Is that all you care about?HYUFD said:
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.
If Boris delivers Brexit he will win the next general election, if he does not he will lose it, it is that simple0 -
Many would see Boris losing as a resultHYUFD said:
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.
If Boris delivers Brexit he will win the next general election, if he does not he will lose it, it is that simple0 -
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge0 -
Never said they didn't. But if you are going to whine about those who refused to vote for the compromise of the WA it is impossible not to notice that you now want to reward some of those who refused, so you are saying what a jolly bad thing it was for people not vote for it, but never mind that we must now do what they wanted. Now they are on Boris's side, even though he was not on their side on the WA before.HYUFD said:
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.0 -
Not this post again.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
You know nothing of this country outside of Essex. The North is not going to vote for Boris or the Brexit Party.0 -
They have not enraged the voters though given every poll now has a Tory lead and in the end the silent majority will be heard as they were on referendum nightBig_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal0 -
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And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
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It needs some brexiteers to submit some thread headers. You learn nothing if you don’t get a bit of the other POV from time to time.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
That reminds me, I came across one of the cheesiest most cliched examples of this the other day.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43gm3CJePn0&feature=youtu.be
A lesson if we are doing a thread header, keep it real.0 -
What majority?HYUFD said:
They have not enraged the voters though given every poll now has a Tory lead and in the end the silent majority will be heard as they were on referendum nightBig_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal0 -
But you didn't vote Leave. Why not?HYUFD said:
They have not enraged the voters though given every poll now has a Tory lead and in the end the silent majority will be heard as they were on referendum nightBig_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal0 -
Its not but this was bound to happen the moment Boris got her involved.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
Nice one Boris.0 -
Corbyn In “Labour Partisan” Shock Horror.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour
Page 7: Pope is “Catholic Partisan” Revelations0 -
I'm sure a poll would find support for her and the monarchy is lower now than it was last week, I wouldn't dispute that. But when people say 'I see that' when they mean 'I really really hope that' it's like trying to present the canary as an objective report just because occasionally they might get a fact right. With apologies to TSE for that comparison, all in good fun.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault0 -
Never said they didn't. But if you are going to whine about those who refused to vote for the compromise of the WA it is impossible not to notice that you now want to reward some of those who refused, so you are saying what a jolly bad thing it was for people not vote for it, but never mind that we must now do what they wanted. Now they are on Boris's side, even though he was not on their side on the WA before.HYUFD said:
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.
And thank you for using the word remainer by itself - that way it will have more impact when you use die hard.0 -
Indeed. And those forces spread wide across the political spectrum too. John Major seems fired up. Not something one could often say!Big_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal0 -
As I said yesterday, she made a serious mistake yesterday morning.Gallowgate said:
Its not but this was bound to happen the moment Boris got her involved.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
Nice one Boris.
The Queen has one job. She flunked it.0 -
They really are making things more complicated than they need to be.Scott_P said:0 -
HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
Still counting on life long Labour voters in safe Labour seats voting for the Tories.... 0 -
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As a geeky male child of the 80 and teenager of the 90s I was a big fan of Choose Your Own Adventure and Fighting Fantasy books, though I didn't read many about seductresses. The references there amused me.
However beyond that I think Mr Meeks is wrong in almost every respect, so dogmatic as to have lost all reason and become blinded by that which he opposes.
So Britain is supposed to post-Brexit be a country "you cannot easily envisage the country ever coming back together to forge a new consensus" . . . yet Brexit will be reversed will it? Illogical starting point, if Brexit is to be reversed a new consensus will be required in order to do so.
Similarly Scotland and NI are supposed to be leaving, at a point where leaving a union has been shown to be anything but easy. Yet this leaves behind an even more Eurosceptic nation - England and Wales voted to leave the EU by a majority of 2 million votes, it was the one-sidedness of the Scottish and NI that made it close. Leave won every single region in England and Wales bar London and almost all local authorities. Yet supposedly then Eurosceptic England is going to inevitably rejoin the EU?
In order for this to occur the government is going to have to roll Snake Eyes with a reroll available, followed by double 6's from the rejoiners.0 -
The biggest vote in postwar history was for John Major, a decent sensible and proper Conservative. Not like the current bunch of liars, chancers and troughers.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge0 -
And I join your thanks. You know HYUFD it does make a difference to your argumentkle4 said:
Never said they didn't. But if you are going to whine about those who refused to vote for the compromise of the WA it is impossible not to notice that you now want to reward some of those who refused, so you are saying what a jolly bad thing it was for people not vote for it, but never mind that we must now do what they wanted. Now they are on Boris's side, even though he was not on their side on the WA before.HYUFD said:
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.
And thank you for using the word remainer by itself - that way it will have more impact when you use die hard.0 -
YouGov yesterday had Labour leading the Tories just 33% to 29% in the North with the Brexit Party on 14%, in the Midlands and Wales the Tories led Labour 33% to 24% with the Brexit Party on 17% and in the South the Tories led Labour 42% to 15% with the Brexit Party on 13%.Gallowgate said:
Not this post again.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
You know nothing of this country outside of Essex. The North is not going to vote for Boris or the Brexit Party.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/29/voting-intention-con-34-lab-22-lib-dem-17-brex-13-0 -
The Tories are going to rue the day they subcontracted the running of the country to Dominic Cummings.rottenborough said:
Is Javid going to stand for this?Scott_P said:Not a purge...
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1167198357447696386
Or are we at the "i'm only a Cabinet minister" stage of it all already?0 -
It's not easy to write a thread header. The number who could produce one to the required standard is pretty small.egg said:
It needs some brexiteers to submit some thread headers. You learn nothing if you don’t get a bit of the other POV from time to time.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
That reminds me, I came across one of the cheesiest most cliched examples of this the other day.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43gm3CJePn0&feature=youtu.be
A lesson if we are doing a thread header, keep it real.
Edit: Also the pay's low and you get a lot of crap from people who get the service for free but nevertheless consider they are entitled to insult you for providing it.2 -
"Diehard remainer? I am exceptional remainer, Mrs McClane!"HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!0 -
Maybe Edwina might !!!!dixiedean said:
Indeed. And those forces spread wide across the political spectrum too. John Major seems fired up. Not something one could often say!Big_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal
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That's the book that got me into these books - and indirectly got me into Games Workshop in the 90s, because the intro in the books talking about Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone said they founded it [but didn't mention them no longer having anything to do with it] so when I first saw a Games Workshop store in Chester I had to go into it.Pulpstar said:0 -
This is true. However, if the role of the Monarch is, purely and simply, to obey the will, or indeed the whim, of her PM, without the capacity for any rational thought or agency, then sensible, thoughtful people may question what exactly is the point of the role? It could easily be handed to a civil servant or done away with altogether.kle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
Of course, there is a residual affection for the current HMQ, who has been as good in the role as it is possible to be.
Her successor may not get the benefit of the doubt.0 -
No need, while the Tories are now holding 72% of their 2017 vote, 19% of 2017 Labour voters are voting LD, 12% are voting Green and 7% are voting Brexit PartyThe_Taxman said:HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge Still counting on life long Labour voters in safe Labour seats voting for the Tories....
with Labour holding just 55% of its 2017 vote (plus the Tories are winning 4% of 2017 Labour voters while only 1% of 2017 Tory voters now back Corbyn Labour)
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fuulp90o1c/TheTimes_190828_VI_Trackers_w.pdf0 -
I don't agree. She did what she has always done, act on her privvy council adviceGardenwalker said:
As I said yesterday, she made a serious mistake yesterday morning.Gallowgate said:
Its not but this was bound to happen the moment Boris got her involved.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
Nice one Boris.
The Queen has one job. She flunked it.
Now you could have a case about the motives of her advice but the anger for that should not be directed to the Queen
And by the way, as I have said before, I am a republican0 -
Counting is underway in the Shetland by-election.
https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2019/08/29/count-taking-place-in-shetland-by-election0 -
Ian Livingstone's latest FF gamebook, Assassins of Allansia is out next week.Philip_Thompson said:
That's the book that got me into these books - and indirectly got me into Games Workshop in the 90s, because the intro in the books talking about Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone said they founded it [but didn't mention them no longer having anything to do with it] so when I first saw a Games Workshop store in Chester I had to go into it.Pulpstar said:
I have a collection of all the FF single-player, double-player and the Sorcery Epic
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Are you quoting sub samples again @HYUFD?
You never took me up on my offer to wager you £5 that serial diehard remainer Cat McKinnell would take Newcastle upon Tyne North regardless of what happens with Brexit.0 -
They still voted to respect the Leave vote, unlike diehard Remainers and most Leave MPs including Boris ultimately voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, again unlike diehard Remainerskle4 said:
Never said they didn't. But if you are going to whine about those who refused to vote for the compromise of the WA it is impossible not to notice that you now want to reward some of those who refused, so you are saying what a jolly bad thing it was for people not vote for it, but never mind that we must now do what they wanted. Now they are on Boris's side, even though he was not on their side on the WA before.HYUFD said:
Most Leaver MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement, most Remainer MPs voted against the Withdrawal Agreement.kle4 said:
How is your response not equally as complacent, given the conceipt of the header is not necessarily that it won't be delivered but that even if he does there will be trouble? ("But let’s assume that somehow Boris Johnson throws all those sixes and gets Brexit over the line (almost certainly on a no-deal basis because how is he going to get a deal approved with Parliament so decisively against him?). Then what?")HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
You've addressed in typical fashion your anger at those seeking to stymie Brexit (although oddly you are angry at the people who refused to vote for the compromise like, er, many of those you now support the most), but complacently ignored the part about what if Boris does deliver?
I presume you think it will all be fine if he delivers, so why not say so and not look like you are being complacent about the risks of winning in this fashion?
Also, could you please write the word remainer for me? I want to see if you are capable of doign so without adding 'diehard' before it - not that I am critical of use of term in all circumstances.0 -
The Queen has one job and she did it.Gardenwalker said:
As I said yesterday, she made a serious mistake yesterday morning.Gallowgate said:
Its not but this was bound to happen the moment Boris got her involved.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
Nice one Boris.
The Queen has one job. She flunked it.
She's no more than a glorified functionary. A figurehead puppet of the Prime Minister of the day.
As she should be in a democratic constitutional monarchy.
If she wants to start getting involved in decision making she should abdicate and stand for Parliament.0 -
Wrong, 14, 093, 007 voted for Major in 1992, 17, 410, 742 voted Leave in 2016Monksfield said:
The biggest vote in postwar history was for John Major, a decent sensible and proper Conservative. Not like the current bunch of liars, chancers and troughers.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge0 -
You get the impression Dominic Cummings is the mastermind behind everything that's happening in Downing Street at the present time.
This is his blogsite, incidentally.
https://dominiccummings.com0 -
Newcastle North is not a marginal seat, Boris would win with a majority of about 200 if he won Newcastle North, at most it would go Brexit PartyGallowgate said:Are you quoting sub samples again @HYUFD?
You never took me up on my offer to wager you £5 that serial diehard remainer Cat McKinnell would take Newcastle upon Tyne North regardless of what happens with Brexit.0 -
Unelected Dominic CummingsAndyJS said:You get the impression Dominic Cummings is the mastermind behind everything that's happening in Downing Street at the present time.
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Oh so they’re the wrong kind of Northerners. I see.HYUFD said:
Newcastle North is not a marginal seat, Boris would win with a majority of about 200 if he won Newcastle North, at most it would go Brexit PartyGallowgate said:Are you quoting sub samples again @HYUFD?
You never took me up on my offer to wager you £5 that serial diehard remainer Cat McKinnell would take Newcastle upon Tyne North regardless of what happens with Brexit.0 -
Start by the Jam. “What you give is what you get” and “Someone in this life loves with the power of hate”.El_Capitano said:FPT
I dunno. It reminds me of a really shit New Order album.kinabalu said:
Clever slogan. "Get Ready". Makes it sound exciting. A blockbuster movie you can't wait to see. The start of the Ashes. The ETA of the A list celeb to the party. And subliminally a feelgood motown song. Nice one by Gove.Scott_P said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vI8AOkbfgNE0 -
What silence?Gallowgate said:
What majority?HYUFD said:
They have not enraged the voters though given every poll now has a Tory lead and in the end the silent majority will be heard as they were on referendum nightBig_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal0 -
No need, if enough of them vote Brexit Party or LD the Tories win the seats regardlessThe_Taxman said:HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge Still counting on life long Labour voters in safe Labour seats voting for the Tories....0 -
Turnout 1992 = 77.7%HYUFD said:
Wrong, 14, 093, 007 voted for Major in 1992, 17, 410, 742 voted Leave in 2016Monksfield said:
The biggest vote in postwar history was for John Major, a decent sensible and proper Conservative. Not like the current bunch of liars, chancers and troughers.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
Turnout 2016 = 72.2%
Total no. of votes 1992 = 33,614,074
Total no. of votes 2016 = 33,577,342
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I didn't know he was still writing them.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ian Livingstone's latest FF gamebook, Assassins of Allansia is out next week.Philip_Thompson said:
That's the book that got me into these books - and indirectly got me into Games Workshop in the 90s, because the intro in the books talking about Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone said they founded it [but didn't mention them no longer having anything to do with it] so when I first saw a Games Workshop store in Chester I had to go into it.Pulpstar said:
I have a collection of all the FF single-player, double-player and the Sorcery Epic
I had a massive collection of FF and AFF books but my parents threw them out while moving house while I was at university. Not bought any or read any since, I thought computer games had killed off the genre to be honest.0 -
It won't, according to YouGov 56% of monarchists voted Leave and 65% of republicans voted Remain, so the Queen if anything just sided with her basekle4 said:
I'm sure a poll would find support for her and the monarchy is lower now than it was last week, I wouldn't dispute that. But when people say 'I see that' when they mean 'I really really hope that' it's like trying to present the canary as an objective report just because occasionally they might get a fact right. With apologies to TSE for that comparison, all in good fun.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/05/18/who-are-monarchists0 -
Yes but the 1992 votes weren't cast "for Major" as claimed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Turnout 1992 = 77.7%HYUFD said:
Wrong, 14, 093, 007 voted for Major in 1992, 17, 410, 742 voted Leave in 2016Monksfield said:
The biggest vote in postwar history was for John Major, a decent sensible and proper Conservative. Not like the current bunch of liars, chancers and troughers.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
Turnout 2016 = 72.2%
Total no. of votes 1992 = 33,614,074
Total no. of votes 2016 = 33,577,3420 -
So what. I’m a (constitutional) monarchist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't agree. She did what she has always done, act on her privvy council adviceGardenwalker said:
As I said yesterday, she made a serious mistake yesterday morning.Gallowgate said:
Its not but this was bound to happen the moment Boris got her involved.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
Nice one Boris.
The Queen has one job. She flunked it.
Now you could have a case about the motives of her advice but the anger for that should not be directed to the Queen
And by the way, as I have said before, I am a republican
Her job is not to sit there and so whatever fatty chops tells her to do.
She should have deferred and called for a larger privy council. It would have been an outrage to refuse Johnson; but it was a grave error to approve him.0 -
Maybe the next election will be close to a 77.7% turnout.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Turnout 1992 = 77.7%HYUFD said:
Wrong, 14, 093, 007 voted for Major in 1992, 17, 410, 742 voted Leave in 2016Monksfield said:
The biggest vote in postwar history was for John Major, a decent sensible and proper Conservative. Not like the current bunch of liars, chancers and troughers.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
Turnout 2016 = 72.2%
Total no. of votes 1992 = 33,614,074
Total no. of votes 2016 = 33,577,3420 -
Of course aaron has plenty of experience and a criminal conviction for being involved in smash shit up type protests.rottenborough said:"It's so bad I want to be medically induced into a coma"
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/11671615556471070730 -
Charlie Higson (yes of Fast Show fame!) wrote the previous release The Gates of Death, published last year.Philip_Thompson said:
I didn't know he was still writing them.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ian Livingstone's latest FF gamebook, Assassins of Allansia is out next week.Philip_Thompson said:
That's the book that got me into these books - and indirectly got me into Games Workshop in the 90s, because the intro in the books talking about Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone said they founded it [but didn't mention them no longer having anything to do with it] so when I first saw a Games Workshop store in Chester I had to go into it.Pulpstar said:
I have a collection of all the FF single-player, double-player and the Sorcery Epic
I had a massive collection of FF and AFF books but my parents threw them out while moving house while I was at university. Not bought any or read any since, I thought computer games had killed off the genre to be honest.
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Not an image for this time of night, thank you! Incidentally, my partner was once brought on to a radio discussion show, ostensibly to argue with Ms Currie. They got on like a house on fire in the hospitality beforehand, politely agreed to disagree on air, and naturally were never invited back. They sank a few in the pub afterwards, too.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe Edwina might !!!!dixiedean said:
Indeed. And those forces spread wide across the political spectrum too. John Major seems fired up. Not something one could often say!Big_G_NorthWales said:
What do you expect.HYUFD said:
This being from the same Commons which voted down the only Deal on the table THREE times? OutrageousScott_P said:
Boris/Cummings have enraged and united those who support a deal but not a no deal, those who want a referendum, those wanting to revoke, and it looks like they will easily get the numbers to force Boris to stop a no deal0 -
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Her job is to sit there and do whatever the PM tells her to do.Gardenwalker said:
So what. I’m a (constitutional) monarchist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't agree. She did what she has always done, act on her privvy council adviceGardenwalker said:
As I said yesterday, she made a serious mistake yesterday morning.Gallowgate said:
Its not but this was bound to happen the moment Boris got her involved.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
Nice one Boris.
The Queen has one job. She flunked it.
Now you could have a case about the motives of her advice but the anger for that should not be directed to the Queen
And by the way, as I have said before, I am a republican
Her job is not to sit there and so whatever fatty chops tells her to do.
She should have deferred and called for a larger privy council. It would have been an outrage to refuse Johnson; but it was a grave error to approve him.
If Parliament doesn't like it, then its job is to vote down the PM. Parliament is the check on the PM, not HMQ.2 -
The Queen doesn’t have a base.HYUFD said:
It won't, according to YouGov 56% of monarchists voted Leave and 65% of republicans voted Remain, so the Queen if anything just sided with her basekle4 said:
I'm sure a poll would find support for her and the monarchy is lower now than it was last week, I wouldn't dispute that. But when people say 'I see that' when they mean 'I really really hope that' it's like trying to present the canary as an objective report just because occasionally they might get a fact right. With apologies to TSE for that comparison, all in good fun.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And I agree with you even though I am a republicankle4 said:
That the Monarchy may take a hit from people either confused about how our system works and who for some reason want to replace the monarch becasue she doesn't have power over the PM in any genuine way and they want the monarch to have that power, is one thing. But the tumescent joy of some that they might be able to give the republican cause a shot in the arm off the back of this situation is both blatant and overdone. The sheer unbridled glee at being able to take advantage of an at best tangentially related situation for an otherwise minorly supported cause, the beloved tactic of extremist revolutionaries everywhere. Let's use anger at this one thing in order to rile up against this other thing!TheScreamingEagles said:I see the Queen is taking sides, there's going to be a terrible backlash against the Queen and the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1167194546469507072
It is not the Queens fault
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/05/18/who-are-monarchists
That’s the whole point, you blistering c***.2 -
Cummings to said advisor, according to those in the room: Your purview? Where do you think you are, some regency costume drama? This is a government department, not a fucking Jane fucking Austen novel! Allow me to pop a jaunty little bonnet on your purview and ram it up your shitter with a lubricated horse-cock!Scott_P said:0 -
Con -11. Nice work.HYUFD said:0 -
Maybe!AndyJS said:
Maybe the next election will be close to a 77.7% turnout.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Turnout 1992 = 77.7%HYUFD said:
Wrong, 14, 093, 007 voted for Major in 1992, 17, 410, 742 voted Leave in 2016Monksfield said:
The biggest vote in postwar history was for John Major, a decent sensible and proper Conservative. Not like the current bunch of liars, chancers and troughers.HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge
Turnout 2016 = 72.2%
Total no. of votes 1992 = 33,614,074
Total no. of votes 2016 = 33,577,342
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The Tories are heading for a worse GE result than under TM in 2017. BJ is about 20 points behind TM. BJ is a loser...HYUFD said:
No need, if enough of them vote Brexit Party or LD the Tories win the seats regardlessThe_Taxman said:HYUFD said:
Complete and utter crap.Monksfield said:
Bullshit. The Tory Party has got this wrong at every juncture, purely by denying the basic nature of the referendum outcome.HYUFD said:What an utterly smug, complacent thread header.
Diehard Remainers refused to respect the Leave vote, refused to vote for the compromise of the Withdrawal Agreement and refused to support No Deal. They left Boris and Cummings no choice but to deliver the Leave vote which won the EU referendum by whatever means necessary and deliver it they will!
Time and again they have tried to force an agenda in a deeply partisan, unhelpful way. Time and again, the decision making has been poor and as we get deeper, the overreaches and abuses of power are bigger.
People like me, who voted remain but were initially prepared to accept the soft Brexit that SeanT assured us was inevitable, have been marginalised and radicalised to the point of outright protest. I would now walk over hot coals to see these charlatans removed from power.
And you think this is going to end well for the Tories - on the heady heights of 31% in the polls and with 40 of your MPs in outright rebellion. Good luck with that election campaign.
Diehard Remainers have blocked Brexit at every junction, purely by a determination to deny the will of the people and the Leave vote.
Time and again they have resisted the Withdrawal Agreement, ably assisted by the deeply partisan Corbyn Labour and the only compromise on the table for their pathetic games.
People like you have utter contempt for millions of working class Leave voters who voted to regain control of their borders and to regain sovereignty and I will do everything in my power to ensure Boris wins the next general election and you are comprehensively defeated.
And if you think your contempt for the biggest vote in postwar history is going to lead to some Remainer triumph you are in for a shock, from the Midlands to the North to Wales to the rural South the silent majority is ready to get its revenge Still counting on life long Labour voters in safe Labour seats voting for the Tories....0
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