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If consistency is the sign of a small mind, then Boris Johnson must have a brain the size of a planet. For he has slid from position to position on the EU like Bambi on ice.
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So has he got the backstop withdrawn ? First like...…..um Labour.0
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A masterful thread header. Credit to Mr Meeks, I didn't know half of those crazed contradictions. Is it too much to expect journalists to do this kind of research?0
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84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
Things are moving quickly. Angela has now given Boris 30 days to devise an alternative to the backstop. Come on Boris! That homework has to be handed in on time, show all your working out and no slacking.0
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Boris Johnson isn't big on Withdrawal. He'll abort, but not withdraw.
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I think that's right. I note Unionists aren't berating their successive governments for their stewardship of the regions.Verulamius said:GERS deficits.
If the same calculation was done for the regions of England I would not be surprised if London and the South East were the only regions in surplus with deficits in all other regions.
It is not Scotland which is the odd one out, it is London and the tax receipts generated from high earners.
https://twitter.com/leomiklasz/status/1164238923138310146?s=20
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So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
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The usual UK loading gauge just isn't sufficient for actual bi-level cars. The nearest we came is the Bullied 4DDs which, as you can see from this videoLuckyguy1983 said:
Thanks for that info. I think that means the desisgn could be adapted quite successfully. It's just over a foot to take off.ydoethur said:
Sydney double deck trains: 14 ft 4.5 inLuckyguy1983 said:As I always say when HS2 comes up, I want two storey trains instead. I am always told we don't have the right gage, but there's plenty of room if we use the space below the platform as with this Australian beauty:
They could come in red like London buses. It could be something you do when you come to the UK. Get on the red train and go somewhere exciting. Imagine the sleeper cars you could do.
Best British loading gauge: 13 ft 1 in
That doesn't quite work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2K0TP1lxM
were actually interleaved and very cramped, even for the day.
That said, I believe the loading gauge on some lines is a bit more generous and a true bi-level might be possible with a relatively small amount of rebuilding, IIRC the south-west lines out of Waterloo are a candidate.0 -
Ah but surely in @HYUFD's world it's only the 'benefit dependent underclass' that end up living in shipping containers, so not really anything to worry about as they'll never vote Tory anyway.nichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
Great video... best viewed on mute with Rachmaninoff's piano concerto no. 2 playing in the background.rpjs said:FPT:
The usual UK loading gauge just isn't sufficient for actual bi-level cars. The nearest we came is the Bullied 4DDs which, as you can see from this videoLuckyguy1983 said:
Thanks for that info. I think that means the desisgn could be adapted quite successfully. It's just over a foot to take off.ydoethur said:
Sydney double deck trains: 14 ft 4.5 inLuckyguy1983 said:As I always say when HS2 comes up, I want two storey trains instead. I am always told we don't have the right gage, but there's plenty of room if we use the space below the platform as with this Australian beauty:
They could come in red like London buses. It could be something you do when you come to the UK. Get on the red train and go somewhere exciting. Imagine the sleeper cars you could do.
Best British loading gauge: 13 ft 1 in
That doesn't quite work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2K0TP1lxM
were actually interleaved and very cramped, even for the day.
That said, I believe the loading gauge on some lines is a bit more generous and a true bi-level might be possible with a relatively small amount of rebuilding, IIRC the south-west lines out of Waterloo are a candidate.
PS Never mind double-decker carriages, the South West lines out of Waterloo would be best improved by dualling the track between Salisbury and Exeter!0 -
Even if that were true, I fear our poster is missing the point. It isn't more seats on trains we need, it's more train pathways. More routes for local services and freight, which means less for high speed expresses that run non stop unless new tracks are built.rpjs said:FPT:
The usual UK loading gauge just isn't sufficient for actual bi-level cars. The nearest we came is the Bullied 4DDs whichLuckyguy1983 said:
Thanks for that info. I think that means the desisgn could be adapted quite successfully. It's just over a foot to take off.ydoethur said:
Sydney double deck trains: 14 ft 4.5 inLuckyguy1983 said:As I always say when HS2 comes up, I want two storey trains instead. I am always told we don't have the right gage, but there's plenty of room if we use the space below the platform as with this Australian beauty:
They could come in red like London buses. It could be something you do when you come to the UK. Get on the red train and go somewhere exciting. Imagine the sleeper cars you could do.
Best British loading gauge: 13 ft 1 in
That doesn't quite work.
were actually interleaved and very cramped, even for the day.
That said, I believe the loading gauge on some lines is a bit more generous and a true bi-level might be possible with a relatively small amount of rebuilding, IIRC the south-west lines out of Waterloo are a candidate.
At the moment, Cannock has a half hourly service. A service every 15 minutes to Crewe one way and London or Birmingham the other would be extremely profitable. Why does it not happen? Because there are too many trains in Birmingham New Street, Stafford and Crewe, so there's no room for them.
Move a large chunk of the non-stop expresses that thunder through Rugeley Trent Valley without stopping every four minutes onto a new line and bingo! More trains in Cannock, and Stafford, and Tamworth, and Tewkesbury, and Bolton. Plus more pathways for freight, so more lorries of the road, and fewer traffic jams on the M6.
Where double deckers might make a capacity difference if they were feasible is the London commuter lines. But that's a different problem and nothing to do with HS2.1 -
Actually that's unfair, because many posters of all political stripes have often commented negatively on the over-emphasis in London to the great neglect of the rest of the UK by central government. And that could apply easily to Blair/Brown as well as Thatcher and Major. Indeed, HS2 and the Northern Powerhouse are both partly designed to redress that.Theuniondivvie said:Fpt.
I think that's right. I note Unionists aren't berating their successive governments for their stewardship of the regions.Verulamius said:GERS deficits.
If the same calculation was done for the regions of England I would not be surprised if London and the South East were the only regions in surplus with deficits in all other regions.
It is not Scotland which is the odd one out, it is London and the tax receipts generated from high earners.0 -
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You’re criticizing a politician for being a liar. You might as well critique a mosquito for biting.
As for the Turkey thing, how is Bojo’s duplicity any different from Cameron on this subject? - recall he spent years campaigning for Turkish accession to the EU, telling the Turks it was going to happen soon. Then he decided, during the referendum, that Turkish membership was not gonna happen in decades, if ever, because the French would veto it.
One of the positive reasons for Brexit is that it will allow less room for our politicians to tell so many egregious lies. They won’t be able to hide behind “Brussels”.0 -
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
Cameron is now the the strawest of straw men.Byronic said:You’re criticizing a politician for being a liar. You might as well critique a mosquito for biting.
As for the Turkey thing, how is Bojo’s duplicity any different from Cameron on this subject? - recall he spent years campaigning for Turkish accession to the EU, telling the Turks it was going to happen soon. Then he decided, during the referendum, that Turkish membership was not gonna happen in decades, if ever, because the French would veto it.
One of the positive reasons for Brexit is that it will allow less room for our politicians to tell so many egregious lies. They won’t be able to hide behind “Brussels”.0 -
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
AM correctly notes the PM's vacillations, especially when in cabinet, but not all of the charges stick.
Boris has become steadily more Eurosceptic over the last 20 years. Just like most of us. That shift in position itself can't be condemned, especially if the nature and effect of the country's membership has itself changed.
Praising Mansion House and resigning over Chequers are not incompatible either (though praising Chequers and then resigning is quite certainly the mark of a total faff-arse).
And finally, looking to reopen the WA is consistent with resigning over Chequers and isn't inconsistent with TM saying it wouldn't look to reopen (as he wasn't at that stage a pa rt of the TM Govt)
He's inconsistent, but he's neither as inconsistent nor as consistently inconsistent as the header makes out.0 -
So? Are you arguing for a pan European defense structure that we will require when the lunatic finally reaches meltdown and pulls out of natoHYUFD said:0 -
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
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To misquote Robert Bolt, it is not worth the whole world to go mad over - but for Greenland?
There is something very strange going on here.0 -
So you don’t support the financial transparency requirements that will make the super rich pay some degree of fair taxes.HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters0 -
Cutting. And hits close to home.Alastair Meeks said:Given his track record, you might well think that he is insulting the British public’s intelligence. Sadly, it seems only too likely that he has its accurate measure.
They used other things before the EU and they will afterwards, the idea they will struggle to tell egregious lies is crazy.Byronic said:
One of the positive reasons for Brexit is that it will allow less room for our politicians to tell so many egregious lies. They won’t be able to hide behind “Brussels”.0 -
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia has brought in a new points system since then. It’s wholly disingenuous to say we are going to bring in a new system when what appears to be the plan is simply expanding the current system. Can you expand on how this new points system will differ from the one we have, if at all? What exactly is Boris going to deliver? How does the current system for non EEA nationals differ from the Australian system?HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
Agreed, this is one best articles I have ever read on Johnson.rkrkrk said:A masterful thread header. Credit to Mr Meeks, I didn't know half of those crazed contradictions. Is it too much to expect journalists to do this kind of research?
It compares with the Eddie Mair interview , some years back.0 -
About that backstop.....
Just out of interest those remainers who have been swooning over the approaching end of days, will you accept it if we leave with a revised deal?
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The Donald is right, tho. There is absolutely no reason why wealthy countries like Denmark, Germany, Canada, and Belgium should get away with spending so little on the military, and instead relying on America to pay for their defence. If I were an American tax payer it would piss me off, mightily.nichomar said:
So? Are you arguing for a pan European defense structure that we will require when the lunatic finally reaches meltdown and pulls out of natoHYUFD said:
I imagine this is one of the few things Trump does which is also widely popular with American voters.0 -
I’m shocked the Telegraph is describing a proposal by one of their columnists as being a breakthrough, shocked I tell you.Philip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch0 -
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I’d be delighted as Farage will scream betrayal, split the Tory vote, and allow us to rejoin or join the EEA at some point during the “transition”Floater said:About that backstop.....
Just out of interest those remainers who have been swooning over the approaching end of days, will you accept it if we leave with a revised deal?0 -
So that's a no thenDougSeal said:A
I’d be delighted as Farage will scream betrayal, split the Tory vote, and allow us to rejoin or join the EEA at some point during the “transition”Floater said:About that backstop.....
Just out of interest those remainers who have been swooning over the approaching end of days, will you accept it if we leave with a revised deal?0 -
It differs because Brits perceive Australia as a safe and successful white country, with a tough migration policy, and very little terrorism. The phrase “Australian style points system” was, in other words, a dog whistle.DougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia has brought in a new points system since then. It’s wholly disingenuous to say we are going to bring in a new system when what appears to be the plan is simply expanding the current system. Can you expand on how this new points system will differ from the one we have, if at all? What exactly is Boris going to deliver? How does the current system for non EEA nationals differ from the Australian system?HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:0 -
Did I just hear the German bond at less than zero interest failed to get enough take up?0
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You are correct but I do think in the long term the U.K. defence interests are best handled in Europe as in the long term they will be irrelevant to the USByronic said:
The Donald is right, tho. There is absolutely no reason why wealthy countries like Denmark, Germany, Canada, and Belgium should get away with spending so little on the military, and instead relying on America to pay for their defence. If I were an American tax payer it would piss me off, mightily.nichomar said:
So? Are you arguing for a pan European defense structure that we will require when the lunatic finally reaches meltdown and pulls out of natoHYUFD said:
I imagine this is one of the few things Trump does which is also widely popular with American voters.0 -
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:0 -
Why are you using Trump’s framing? This is not about paying “contributions” but about spending on national defence.HYUFD said:0 -
As it will replace free movement for EEA nationalsDougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia has brought in a new points system since then. It’s wholly disingenuous to say we are going to bring in a new system when what appears to be the plan is simply expanding the current system. Can you expand on how this new points system will differ from the one we have, if at all? What exactly is Boris going to deliver? How does the current system for non EEA nationals differ from the Australian system?HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
The chief executive of the Federation of German Industries just said in German news broadcast 'Tagesschau' that the withdrawal agreement was of great importance to German industry.Philip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
The government and the European Union should remain tough on the Brexit treaty with British Prime Minister Johnson.
BMW and the rest of the lot are saying something different than you seem to believe.
The chancellor has said there are 30 days left to discuss the UK's proposals, if there were any to come forward, nothing has changed.0 -
kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/08/20/lettersthis-year-eu-recognised-technology-makes-irish-backstop/0 -
I suspect Mrs Merkel is in deep trouble with Alistair MeeksPhilip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
she'll rue the day ....0 -
That answers literally none of my questions. Okay, are you saying we will expand the current UK “Australian Style” system to EEA nationals or bring in something new?HYUFD said:
As it will replace free movement for EEA nationalsDougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia has brought in a new points system since then. It’s wholly disingenuous to say we are going to bring in a new system when what appears to be the plan is simply expanding the current system. Can you expand on how this new points system will differ from the one we have, if at all? What exactly is Boris going to deliver? How does the current system for non EEA nationals differ from the Australian system?HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)0 -
Which under NATO mutual defence obligation to all members is effectively a contributionwilliamglenn said:
Why are you using Trump’s framing? This is not about paying “contributions” but about spending on national defence.HYUFD said:0 -
Correct. Mr. Johnson has indeed said what Shankar Singham's AAC prompted him to say.HYUFD said:
Do you really believe that him saying it makes these things come true?0 -
Na und ? Das ist eine Verhandlung.matthiasfromhamburg said:
The chief executive of the Federation of German Industries just said in German news broadcast 'Tagesschau' that the withdrawal agreement was of great importance to German industry.Philip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
The government and the European Union should remain tough on the Brexit treaty with British Prime Minister Johnson.
BMW and the rest of the lot are saying something different than you seem to believe.
The chancellor has said there are 30 days left to discuss the UK's proposals, if there were any to come forward, nothing has changed.
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Out of interest what should this extra money be spent on? We can’t nuke terrorists, tanks are not much use unless you can actually get them to where the action is. As Dura Ace tells us our defence spend includes sending the Red Arrows off to the US for ten weeks rather than anything worth while defence wise.HYUFD said:0 -
Yes and Merkel suggesting an alternative to the backstop could be found within 30 daysPhilip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-494276740 -
Not sure the Rolling Stones tour buses and lorries will manage thatAlanbrooke said:
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:
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HY is beyond parody.ydoethur said:StuartDickson: This poll has you on 2 seats.
HYUFD: 3 actually
I really do not know what to say!
He thinks that three SCon seats would be some kind of victory.
Well, it’s certainly 50% more than two SCon seats.0 -
Norway Plus?HYUFD said:
Yes and Merkel suggesting an alternative to the backstop could be found within 30 daysPhilip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-494276740 -
What will save the Union, for now, is Scotland’s horrific fiscal position. A vote for Indy is a vote for Instant National Bankruptcy.StuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)
I also note that the SNP are saying they won’t honour their share of the UK’s debt, if they win an indy vote. That’s going to play well in England. The same England whose currency and central bank you propose to share, for the while, and who you desperately need a free trade deal with.
The echoes of the loopier end of the Leaver argument are loud indeed0 -
We had an open border for EEA nationals, it replaces it with an Australian style points systemDougSeal said:
That answers literally none of my questions. Okay, are you saying we will expand the current UK “Australian Style” system to EEA nationals or bring in something new?HYUFD said:
As it will replace free movement for EEA nationalsDougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia has brought in a new points system since then. It’s wholly disingenuous to say we are going to bring in a new system when what appears to be the plan is simply expanding the current system. Can you expand on how this new points system will differ from the one we have, if at all? What exactly is Boris going to deliver? How does the current system for non EEA nationals differ from the Australian system?HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head and bed and 4 walls so you are not homeless and sleeping on the streets and as I have repeatedly said it was the working class and lower middle class who voted Leave, most upper middle class voters voted Remainnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
youre bribing the wrong people :-)kjh said:
Not sure the Rolling Stones tour buses and lorries will manage thatAlanbrooke said:
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:0 -
If you think the SNP on 47%, 3% below even the 50% they got in 2015 before the Brexit vote, is going to lead to independence then you're in for a bit of a shockStuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)0 -
It is amusing how they scream Brexit will harm them when leaving the UK will be far, far worse for them.Byronic said:
What will save the Union, for now, is Scotland’s horrific fiscal position. A vote for Indy is a vote for Instant National Bankruptcy.StuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)
I also note that the SNP are saying they won’t honour their share of the UK’s debt, if they win an indy vote. That’s going to play well in England. The same England whose currency and central bank you propose to share, for the while, and who you desperately need a free trade deal with.
The echoes of the loopier end of the Leaver argument are loud indeed
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You are oddly well informed on British politics. Impressive. May we know why, approximately? - there is no obligation to identify yourself with detail, if you prefer not to.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Correct. Mr. Johnson has indeed said what Shankar Singham's AAC prompted him to say.HYUFD said:
Do you really believe that him saying it makes these things come true?0 -
Hmm how about increased training, weapons stocks or updated equipment for starters?nichomar said:
Out of interest what should this extra money be spent on? We can’t nuke terrorists, tanks are not much use unless you can actually get them to where the action is. As Dura Ace tells us our defence spend includes sending the Red Arrows off to the US for ten weeks rather than anything worth while defence wise.HYUFD said:0 -
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FFS. Can you stop the sound bites and answer the question? Will it be an extension of the current system or a new one?HYUFD said:
We had an open border for EEA nationals, it replaces it with an Australian style points systemDougSeal said:
That answers literally none of my questions. Okay, are you saying we will expand the current UK “Australian Style” system to EEA nationals or bring in something new?HYUFD said:
As it will replace free movement for EEA nationalsDougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia has brought in a new points system since then. It’s wholly disingenuous to say we are going to bring in a new system when what appears to be the plan is simply expanding the current system. Can you expand on how this new points system will differ from the one we have, if at all? What exactly is Boris going to deliver? How does the current system for non EEA nationals differ from the Australian system?HYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head andnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
Isn’t Sindy ref 2 somewhat of a distraction at the moment? Whatever the SNP think they sink or swim with the rest of the U.K. over the next two or three years.Byronic said:
What will save the Union, for now, is Scotland’s horrific fiscal position. A vote for Indy is a vote for Instant National Bankruptcy.StuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)
I also note that the SNP are saying they won’t honour their share of the UK’s debt, if they win an indy vote. That’s going to play well in England. The same England whose currency and central bank you propose to share, for the while, and who you desperately need a free trade deal with.
The echoes of the loopier end of the Leaver argument are loud indeed0 -
I wrote something about this on the previous thread: actually, the place you don't want to use double-decker trains is on commuter lines with many stops, as they take so long to load and unload passengers from them that it delays other services, reducing the available paths. Longer trains are much better.ydoethur said:
Even if that were true, I fear our poster is missing the point. It isn't more seats on trains we need, it's more train pathways. More routes for local services and freight, which means less for high speed expresses that run non stop unless new tracks are built.rpjs said:FPT:
The usual UK loading gauge just isn't sufficient for actual bi-level cars. The nearest we came is the Bullied 4DDs whichLuckyguy1983 said:
Thanks for that info. I think that means the desisgn could be adapted quite successfully. It's just over a foot to take off.ydoethur said:
Sydney double deck trains: 14 ft 4.5 inLuckyguy1983 said:As I always say when HS2 comes up, I want two storey trains instead. I am always told we don't have the right gage, but there's plenty of room if we use the space below the platform as with this Australian beauty:
They could come in red like London buses. It could be something you do when you come to the UK. Get on the red train and go somewhere exciting. Imagine the sleeper cars you could do.
Best British loading gauge: 13 ft 1 in
That doesn't quite work.
were actually interleaved and very cramped, even for the day.
That said, I believe the loading gauge on some lines is a bit more generous and a true bi-level might be possible with a relatively small amount of rebuilding, IIRC the south-west lines out of Waterloo are a candidate.
At the moment, Cannock has a half hourly service. A service every 15 minutes to Crewe one way and London or Birmingham the other would be extremely profitable. Why does it not happen? Because there are too many trains in Birmingham New Street, Stafford and Crewe, so there's no room for them.
Move a large chunk of the non-stop expresses that thunder through Rugeley Trent Valley without stopping every four minutes onto a new line and bingo! More trains in Cannock, and Stafford, and Tamworth, and Tewkesbury, and Bolton. Plus more pathways for freight, so more lorries of the road, and fewer traffic jams on the M6.
Where double deckers might make a capacity difference if they were feasible is the London commuter lines. But that's a different problem and nothing to do with HS2.0 -
Tanks, troops, planes, ships all have defence capacity and given Putin means Russia lose a a greater threat to Western Europe than any Russian leader since pre Gorbachev days to ignore NATO defence requirements and rely on the US doing the hard graft is complacent in the extremenichomar said:
Out of interest what should this extra money be spent on? We can’t nuke terrorists, tanks are not much use unless you can actually get them to where the action is. As Dura Ace tells us our defence spend includes sending the Red Arrows off to the US for ten weeks rather than anything worth while defence wise.HYUFD said:0 -
Schoolboy error: conflating SNP support with support for sovereignty.HYUFD said:
If you think the SNP on 47%, 3% below even the 50% they got in 2015 before the Brexit vote, is going to lead to independence then you're in for a bit of a shockStuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)0 -
The truly remarkable thing here is that during indyref the Nats were arguing for leaving the UK AND leaving the EU, at the same time (as it was made clear by Brussels that this - Instant and simultaneous departure from the EU - would be the result of a Yes vote)Floater said:
It is amusing how they scream Brexit will harm them when leaving the UK will be far, far worse for them.Byronic said:
What will save the Union, for now, is Scotland’s horrific fiscal position. A vote for Indy is a vote for Instant National Bankruptcy.StuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)
I also note that the SNP are saying they won’t honour their share of the UK’s debt, if they win an indy vote. That’s going to play well in England. The same England whose currency and central bank you propose to share, for the while, and who you desperately need a free trade deal with.
The echoes of the loopier end of the Leaver argument are loud indeed
it’s actually quite impressive that they’ve gotten away with this, without being destroyed as a credible political movement.
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What rather alarms me is that people who are in a position to make very significant decisions appear to believe that Johnson means what he says, and that he will say the same thing in fifteen minutes time.0
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For EU nationals it will obviously be a new system as we had free movement before not a points system, EU nationals will have the same migration requirements to be met as non EU nationalsDougSeal said:P
FFS. Can you stop the sound bites and answer the question? Will it be an extension of the current system or a new one?HYUFD said:
We had an open border for EEA nationals, it replaces it with an Australian style points systemDougSeal said:
That answers literally none of my questions. Okay, are you saying we will expand the current UK “Australian Style” system to EEA nationals or bring in something new?HYUFD said:
As it will replace free movement for EEA nationalsDougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we already have was described thus when it was introduced in 2010. So we already have one - it’s now a “British Style Points System” unless Australia hasHYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head andnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.0 -
I hate to point out the obvious but he;s not doing the negotiationDougSeal said:P
FFS. Can you stop the sound bites and answer the question? Will it be an extension of the current system or a new one?HYUFD said:
We had an open border for EEA nationals, it replaces it with an Australian style points systemDougSeal said:
That answers literally none of my questions. Okay, are you saying we will expand the current UK “Australian Style” system to EEA nationals or bring in something new?HYUFD said:
As it will replace free movement for EEA nationalsDougSeal said:
What really really gets on my goat about this “Australian Style Points System” bullshit is that the system we alreaHYUFD said:
The Leave vote was not a vote for socialism, it was a vote for restored sovereignty and greater immigration control which is what Boris is delivering through leaving the EU, the Single Market and Customs Union and replacing free movement from the EU with an Australian style points systemnichomar said:
What about the EU financial transparency regulations which come in to force in 2020? Are you lobbying your contacts to adopt them regardless of wether we leave the EU?HYUFD said:
So says the facts which a leftwinger like you cannot refute so has to change the subject and yes living in a converted shipping container provides you with a roof over your head andnichomar said:
So says the man who thinks living in a shipping container means your not homeless whilst supporting disaster capitalists and off shore tax avoiders in their attempt to destroy the UKHYUFD said:84% of Tory voters and 88% of Brexit Party voters support Boris Johnson's Brexit approach but only 10% of LD voters and 43% of Labour voters support Corbyn's Brexit approach in another blow for the Labour leader and boost for the PM
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters
I’m keen to know because no one who actually practices immigration law has a clue.
try this one
boris.johnson.mp@parliament.uk
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Not at all, in 2011 the SNP got 45.4% at the Holyrood election constituency vote and in 2014 Yes got 44.7%StuartDickson said:
Schoolboy error: conflating SNP support with support for sovereignty.HYUFD said:
If you think the SNP on 47%, 3% below even the 50% they got in 2015 before the Brexit vote, is going to lead to independence then you're in for a bit of a shockStuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)0 -
Almost Blair likeOldKingCole said:What rather alarms me is that people who are in a position to make very significant decisions appear to believe that Johnson means what he says, and that he will say the same thing in fifteen minutes time.
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It is a good job they don't have a Grand Prix in Ireland. The carnets for that must be interesting, particularly for stuff they bring in which is needed yesterday. Still I guess they are geared up for it, for all the non EU countries visited..Alanbrooke said:
youre bribing the wrong people :-)kjh said:
Not sure the Rolling Stones tour buses and lorries will manage thatAlanbrooke said:
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:0 -
@HYUFD - this is the points based system that Labour introduced for non EEA migrants. Is your party’s proposal to extend it to EEA migrants?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7269790.stm0 -
Agreed. I think a new indyref is politically, economically and constitutionally impossible until we know Britain’s settled relationship with the EU. That’s going to take a few years.nichomar said:
Isn’t Sindy ref 2 somewhat of a distraction at the moment? Whatever the SNP think they sink or swim with the rest of the U.K. over the next two or three years.Byronic said:
What will save the Union, for now, is Scotland’s horrific fiscal position. A vote for Indy is a vote for Instant National Bankruptcy.StuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)
I also note that the SNP are saying they won’t honour their share of the UK’s debt, if they win an indy vote. That’s going to play well in England. The same England whose currency and central bank you propose to share, for the while, and who you desperately need a free trade deal with.
The echoes of the loopier end of the Leaver argument are loud indeed
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Just say youre moving smokes for the RAkjh said:
It is a good job they don't have a Grand Prix in Ireland. The carnets for that must be interesting, particularly for stuff they bring in which is needed yesterday. Still I guess they are geared up for it, for all the non EU countries visited..Alanbrooke said:
youre bribing the wrong people :-)kjh said:
Not sure the Rolling Stones tour buses and lorries will manage thatAlanbrooke said:
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:
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You really should not rely too heavily on the accuracy of BBC coverage.HYUFD said:
Yes and Merkel suggesting an alternative to the backstop could be found within 30 daysPhilip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
She did not state that an alternative could indeed be found within 30 days, she merely said there were 30 days left to attempt to deliver what could not be achieved over the last couple of years.
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The backstop only kicks in if alternative arrangements do not work, hence the alternative arrangements fit into the PD rather than the WA.Philip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
Indeed it is fundamental to the backstop that alternative arrangements exist, though realistically these consist of permenant CU and SM alignment.0 -
To some extent yes, except Labour is refusing to commit to extending it to EEA migrants to replace free movementDougSeal said:@HYUFD - this is the points based system that Labour introduced for non EEA migrants. Is your party’s proposal to extend it to EEA migrants?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7269790.stm0 -
Yet further evidence that you haven’t the faintest clue about Scottish voting behaviour.HYUFD said:
Not at all, in 2011 the SNP got 45.4% at the Holyrood election constitiency vote and in 2014 Yes got 44.7%StuartDickson said:
Schoolboy error: conflating SNP support with support for sovereignty.HYUFD said:
If you think the SNP on 47%, 3% below even the 50% they got in 2015 before the Brexit vote, is going to lead to independence then you're in for a bit of a shockStuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)0 -
This morning on BBC we had 2 german journalists trailing the story that a compromise on the backstop was likely.matthiasfromhamburg said:
You really should not rely too heavily on the accuracy of BBC coverage.HYUFD said:
Yes and Merkel suggesting an alternative to the backstop could be found within 30 daysPhilip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
She did not state that an alternative could indeed be found within 30 days, she merely said there were 30 days left to attempt to deliver what could not be achieved over the last couple of years.
There's a difference.
If the germans cant agree amongst themselves then why shouldnt we ask the same questions0 -
So mr HY you are clearly happy to allow very rich people to carry on hiding their wealth in off shore tax havens and avoid paying income tax as you are not lobbying to have financial transparency laws enacted in the U.K. after we leave?0
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I saw your post. I'm not altogether sure I agree, but in any case the point is moot. It would cost a fortune to rebuild all the bridges and tunnels required, so it will not happen. And in any case, it is still entirely separate from all the issues surrounding HS2.JosiasJessop said:I wrote something about this on the previous thread: actually, the place you don't want to use double-decker trains is on commuter lines with many stops, as they take so long to load and unload passengers from them that it delays other services, reducing the available paths. Longer trains are much better.
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Thanks. What about Tier 3?HYUFD said:
To some extent yes, except Labour is refusing to commit to extending it to EEA migrants to replace free movementDougSeal said:@HYUFD - this is the points based system that Labour introduced for non EEA migrants. Is your party’s proposal to extend it to EEA migrants?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7269790.stm0 -
it's quite difficult to miss a small but important word here. she said 'IF'. What I take that as, is a timetable before they openly start accepting that no-deal will happen because the HoC will have failed to pass the WABmatthiasfromhamburg said:
You really should not rely too heavily on the accuracy of BBC coverage.HYUFD said:
Yes and Merkel suggesting an alternative to the backstop could be found within 30 daysPhilip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
She did not state that an alternative could indeed be found within 30 days, she merely said there were 30 days left to attempt to deliver what could not be achieved over the last couple of years.
There's a difference.0 -
The demilitarisation of Europe is something to be proud of, not ashamed of. It is a product of the continent that used to be at constant war, now being at constant peace. It is a piece of progress that our ancestors would have been very envious of.HYUFD said:0 -
very rich people and corporation currently hide their profits in Luxemburg, Ireland and the Netherlands. The EU colludes in this.nichomar said:So mr HY you are clearly happy to allow very rich people to carry on hiding their wealth in off shore tax havens and avoid paying income tax as you are not lobbying to have financial transparency laws enacted in the U.K. after we leave?
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Further evidence that actually I doStuartDickson said:
Yet further evidence that you haven’t the faintest clue about Scottish voting behaviour.HYUFD said:
Not at all, in 2011 the SNP got 45.4% at the Holyrood election constitiency vote and in 2014 Yes got 44.7%StuartDickson said:
Schoolboy error: conflating SNP support with support for sovereignty.HYUFD said:
If you think the SNP on 47%, 3% below even the 50% they got in 2015 before the Brexit vote, is going to lead to independence then you're in for a bit of a shockStuartDickson said:
If you think the Tory party clinging on to 3 seats, out of 59, is going to save the Union, you’re in for a bit of a shock.HYUFD said:
3 actually and still above the 1 seat they got in 2015 and Tories doing better in Scotland than at every general election from 1997 to 2017 in both voteshare and seats.StuartDickson said:
Er... what are you on about??HYUFD said:
Even that poll does not contradict what I have said, the Tories are on 20%+ in every poll result from Scotland so far ie still well above 2015 levels and I notice the SNP are still below 2015 levels even on this poll too.StuartDickson said:Jeepers creepers. Has HY seen the YouGov Scottish sub-sample? I’m sure he’ll be copying and pasting it for months to come.
SNP 47%
SCon 20%
SLD 13%
SLab 11%
Bxp 8%
Grn 2%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/g82fatejnj/TheTimes_190814_VI_Trackers_w.pdf
BoZo the Clown is a genius.
The biggest decline again is with Slab (now down to just 11%) NOT the SCons so nothing in this poll at all to contradict what I have been saying
You’ve been telling us for months now that BoZo the Clown will hang on to approx half of Davidson’s 13 seats. This poll has you on 2 seats.
Meanwhile for the SNP still failing to even match pre Brexit 2015 levels is still not great news for Sturgeon given Brexit was supposedly a game changer for independence.
On the latest Yougov today the Unionist parties combined are on 52% (combining the Tories, LDs, Labour and the Brexit Party) and the Nationalist parties only on 49% combined (combining the SNP and Greens)0 -
which country is the Crimea in ?Foxy said:
The demilitarisation of Europe is something to be proud of, not ashamed of. It is a product of the continent that used to be at constant war, now being at constant peace. It is a piece of progress that our ancestors would have been very envious of.HYUFD said:0 -
Being half way informed on British politics seems neither odd nor impressive to me, I guess I was just born curious.Byronic said:
You are oddly well informed on British politics. Impressive. May we know why, approximately? - there is no obligation to identify yourself with detail, if you prefer not to.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Correct. Mr. Johnson has indeed said what Shankar Singham's AAC prompted him to say.HYUFD said:
Do you really believe that him saying it makes these things come true?
And, of course, there's no obligation to identify oneselves with detail, "Mr. Byronic" (or "Mr. Tremayne?")0 -
“Discussing” doing a heroic amount of heavy lifting here. What she actually said is that the UK has 30 days to propose a viable alternative to the backstop. She gave Johnson a deadline to come up with a plan.Philip_Thompson said:
Elements of sanity entering the discussion.HYUFD said:
Funny how the backstop couldn't be replaced, there were no alternatives, it was absolutely fundamentally required . . . only to then say lets spend the next 30 days discussing its replacement.
Serious grown up politics entering the discussion. Well done Boris!
And interesting that it is Merkel - not Tusk or Varadkar - that was the one to go to, in order to make progress. The sheriff is calling the shots now, BMW no doubt have been in touch
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George Osborne cracked down on non doms without relying on the EU, it is up to other countries to set their own tax rates not for us to tell them what to set them at or is colonialism fine as long as it is colonial socialism for the likes of Belize and Bermuda?nichomar said:So mr HY you are clearly happy to allow very rich people to carry on hiding their wealth in off shore tax havens and avoid paying income tax as you are not lobbying to have financial transparency laws enacted in the U.K. after we leave?
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Ireland sounds like fun!Alanbrooke said:
Just say youre moving smokes for the RAkjh said:
It is a good job they don't have a Grand Prix in Ireland. The carnets for that must be interesting, particularly for stuff they bring in which is needed yesterday. Still I guess they are geared up for it, for all the non EU countries visited..Alanbrooke said:
youre bribing the wrong people :-)kjh said:
Not sure the Rolling Stones tour buses and lorries will manage thatAlanbrooke said:
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:
nobody will bother you
Pre CU/Single Market I spent hours on several occasions arguing at customs over a carnet and that was just me in a car. I dread what is going to happen when that all come back. God knows what happens when trailers full of a rock group stuff or F1 trailers comes back. I was arguing over trivia. Some of the questions were impossible to answer. I did sus out at one point that they didn't actually necessarily want the correct answer, just an answer. Weight of stuff was a good one. Shrug of shoulders was no good, but a completely made up number did the trick.0 -
It will end Labour's preference for EU workers at Tier 3 providing a level playing fieldDougSeal said:
Thanks. What about Tier 3?HYUFD said:
To some extent yes, except Labour is refusing to commit to extending it to EEA migrants to replace free movementDougSeal said:@HYUFD - this is the points based system that Labour introduced for non EEA migrants. Is your party’s proposal to extend it to EEA migrants?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7269790.stm0 -
Currently Russia, but no longer fighting there methinks.Alanbrooke said:
which country is the Crimea in ?Foxy said:
The demilitarisation of Europe is something to be proud of, not ashamed of. It is a product of the continent that used to be at constant war, now being at constant peace. It is a piece of progress that our ancestors would have been very envious of.HYUFD said:
The period of European peace is quite remarkable over the last quarter century, despite a few still ongoing issues in the former USSR.0 -
While Vladimir Putin sings kumbayaFoxy said:
The demilitarisation of Europe is something to be proud of, not ashamed of. It is a product of the continent that used to be at constant war, now being at constant peace. It is a piece of progress that our ancestors would have been very envious of.HYUFD said:0 -
well look on the bright sidekjh said:
Ireland sounds like fun!Alanbrooke said:
Just say youre moving smokes for the RAkjh said:
It is a good job they don't have a Grand Prix in Ireland. The carnets for that must be interesting, particularly for stuff they bring in which is needed yesterday. Still I guess they are geared up for it, for all the non EU countries visited..Alanbrooke said:
youre bribing the wrong people :-)kjh said:
Not sure the Rolling Stones tour buses and lorries will manage thatAlanbrooke said:
Just use one of the back roads round Aughnacloy or Clones same as everyone else.kjh said:
I assume you are just posting the tweet without actually knowing how any of this works. Or do you? Do you export? Can you tell me what I do if I'm taking stuff over the border that I then bring back for instance, something I used to do and I can think of many major commercial organisations that have to do that on a grand scale. Just because someone drops words like trusted trader, mobile checks doesn't mean it will work. Nobody has actually come up with an alternative. At least nobody who actually does it for real and is not a politician who crosses his/her fingers.HYUFD said:
nobody will bother you
Pre CU/Single Market I spent hours on several occasions arguing at customs over a carnet and that was just me in a car. I dread what is going to happen when that all come back. God knows what happens when trailers full of a rock group stuff or F1 trailers comes back. I was arguing over trivia. Some of the questions were impossible to answer. I did sus out at one point that they didn't actually necessarily want the correct answer, just an answer. Weight of stuff was a good one. Shrug of shoulders was no good, but a completely made up number did the trick.
youre moving the Stones, you could have that sanctimonious prick Bono droning on in the back about morality in between calls to his tax accountant. :-)
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First move in the Most Seats market for months: SNP price shortening.
Next Scottish Parliament GE - most seats
SNP 1/5 (from 1/4)
Con 7/1 (no change)
Lab 8/1 (from 7/1)
Lib Dems 50/1 (no change)
Grn 200/1 (no change)
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Colour me a tiny bit skeptical as to whether you are really Matthias from Hamburg, an average German guy who just happens to be wandering onto a British political blog. But, also, colour me intrigued. Subterfuge is fun.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Being half way informed on British politics seems neither odd nor impressive to me, I guess I was just born curious.Byronic said:
You are oddly well informed on British politics. Impressive. May we know why, approximately? - there is no obligation to identify yourself with detail, if you prefer not to.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Correct. Mr. Johnson has indeed said what Shankar Singham's AAC prompted him to say.HYUFD said:
Do you really believe that him saying it makes these things come true?
And, of course, there's no obligation to identify oneselves with detail, "Mr. Byronic" (or "Mr. Tremayne?")
Also, ich bin nicht er.
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