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Can I wish a sprained ankle on Peter Siddle? That's our last recognised batsman gone!1
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Yep. Heard RLB and Pidcock being criticised for their accents. Since they are from Salford and North Shields, they are pretty well spoken.SandyRentool said:
Labour MPs have accents from their home regions. Unlike Tory MPs, who talk in a condescending, sneering manner, that they've learnt at their posho schools (along with other things prevalent in single-gender environments).JBriskinindyref2 said:
I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.dixiedean said:
You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:
There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.OnlyLivingBoy said:
If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
At home they'd be described as posh.0 -
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not if you're a weegie.malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:
There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)0 -
Not at all , whilst I have a strong Ayrshire accent I can speak the Queens English when it suits, my wife , daughter and grandchildren all have soft accents.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not if you're a weegie.malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:
There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.JBriskinindyref2 said:
It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)0 -
Same.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, I’m also laying a 2019 election. I think one only comes about by accident.
2020 I’m much less confident about.
I think no Brexit and no election in 2019.
Election in 2020 for sure.
Brexit in 2020 too? Probably.0 -
No. He's vital to Essex's title hopes.ydoethur said:Can I wish a sprained ankle on Peter Siddle? That's our last recognised batsman gone!
Mind you, he's only our third best bowler - after Harmer (S.African) and Porter (English, but please don't tell the Selectors).0 -
A slight niggle that keeps him out for two weeks?Peter_the_Punter said:
No. He's vital to Essex's title hopes.ydoethur said:Can I wish a sprained ankle on Peter Siddle? That's our last recognised batsman gone!
Mind you, he's only our third best bowler - after Harmer (S.African) and Porter (English, but please don't tell the Selectors).0 -
A traitor to the upper class?SandyRentool said:
No, just a class traitor.ydoethur said:Again, we come back to Corbyn being a Tory?!
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Another one who sounded fake and it turned out he was. The difference between him and FS is that she's chosen one off the shelf which happens to be the same one nearly all newish Labour women have chosen so she sounds both fake and a clone.JBriskinindyref2 said:
See also: Tony BlairRoger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
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Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not if you're a weegie.malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)0 -
You're more of a Lulu?JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)
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OK then.ydoethur said:
A slight niggle that keeps him out for two weeks?Peter_the_Punter said:
No. He's vital to Essex's title hopes.ydoethur said:Can I wish a sprained ankle on Peter Siddle? That's our last recognised batsman gone!
Mind you, he's only our third best bowler - after Harmer (S.African) and Porter (English, but please don't tell the Selectors).0 -
another fakerwilliamglenn said:
You're more of a Lulu?JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)
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Sure why not...williamglenn said:
You're more of a Lulu?JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)
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Exactly!geoffw said:
A traitor to the upper class?SandyRentool said:
No, just a class traitor.ydoethur said:Again, we come back to Corbyn being a Tory?!
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That looks a pretty fair reflection of the decline in the County Championship.ydoethur said:
1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?another_richard said:Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 6
1970-1979 debuts - 3
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 2
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers
If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 11
1960-1969 debuts - 9
1970-1979 debuts - 5
1980-1989 debuts - 6
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 3
Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.0 -
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.malcolmg said:
Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not if you're a weegie.malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)0 -
All the activists I know on both sides are gearing up for an election.1
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There were some quite weak bowling attacks in international cricket as well in the period 1999-2007. Bangladesh, New Zealand, West Indies, India (away) and Zimbabwe were all sides against whom half-decent batsmen would fill their boots. Now, one the other hand, there are occasional tests against Ireland or Afghanistan and the other world attacks are quite good.Peter_the_Punter said:
That looks a pretty fair reflection of the decline in the County Championship.ydoethur said:
1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?another_richard said:Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 6
1970-1979 debuts - 3
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 2
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers
If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 11
1960-1969 debuts - 9
1970-1979 debuts - 5
1980-1989 debuts - 6
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 3
Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.
Edit - although it's also true the championship has been weakened. With hindsight two divisions has been at best a very mixed blessing.0 -
He sounds like a tosser to me, but that's because I listen to people's words not their accents.SandyRentool said:
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.malcolmg said:Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.
For the same reason, I turn the TV off when that harebained bully Long-Bailey is being interviewed.0 -
Fake f**ker to me, I would never have thought him Scottish by his voice, though most of the posho private school boys are similar.SandyRentool said:
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.malcolmg said:
Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not if you're a weegie.malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)0 -
Gives them a sense of self-importance. Best let them be.notme2 said:All the activists I know on both sides are gearing up for an election.
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I think we should make Tim Paine an honorary Englishman - for services to missing DRS opportunities.0
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I'm not normally a fan of name-based puns, but Wrong-Daily is quite apt.ydoethur said:
He sounds like a tosser to me, but that's because I listen to people's words not their accents.SandyRentool said:
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.malcolmg said:Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.
For the same reason, I turn the TV off when that harebained bully Long-Bailey is being interviewed. 1 -
I heard Shaheen last night. She is director of the CLASS thinktank, not an MP.
According to Wiki, she is from Leytonstone and went to Chingford High School, then PPE at Oxford.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faiza_Shaheen
I wasn't put off by her accent, which is a bit estuary, so much as her inarticularcy and confused thinking. To be fair, defending and explaining Labours Brexit policy is a challenge for anyone.0 -
It’s a head ache though... party members, mps, councillors... ppc etc convinced...SandyRentool said:
Gives them a sense of self-importance. Best let them be.notme2 said:All the activists I know on both sides are gearing up for an election.
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So much for the ‘civic nationalism’ claims of Scot nats.malcolmg said:
Fake f**ker to me, I would never have thought him Scottish by his voice, though most of the posho private school boys are similar.SandyRentool said:
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.malcolmg said:
Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want toa famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not if you're a weegie.malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)0 -
Vaughan is the other with Stewart and Hussein over 35.ydoethur said:
1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?another_richard said:Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 6
1970-1979 debuts - 3
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 2
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers
If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 11
1960-1969 debuts - 9
1970-1979 debuts - 5
1980-1989 debuts - 6
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 3
Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.
The peak of England batting would have been around 2010/11 with a regular line up of Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pieterson, Bell, Collingwood and Prior all averaging over 40 followed by the more than useful Bresnan, Swann and Broad.0 -
They have a policy? Which hour was this in?Foxy said:I heard Shaheen last night. She is director of the CLASS thinktank, not an MP.
According to Wiki, she is from Leytonstone and went to Chingford High School, then PPE at Oxford.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faiza_Shaheen
I wasn't put off by her accent, which is a bit estuary, so much as her inarticularcy and confused thinking. To be fair, defending and explaining Labours Brexit policy is a challenge for anyone.0 -
This sounds bad:
Bangladesh fire: 15,000 homes destroyed in Dhaka slum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49382682
Hard to believe there are no fatalities - but then again the Great Fire of London claimed only 16 lives.0 -
The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.ydoethur said:
There were some quite weak bowling attacks in international cricket as well in the period 1999-2007. Bangladesh, New Zealand, West Indies, India (away) and Zimbabwe were all sides against whom half-decent batsmen would fill their boots. Now, one the other hand, there are occasional tests against Ireland or Afghanistan and the other world attacks are quite good.Peter_the_Punter said:
That looks a pretty fair reflection of the decline in the County Championship.ydoethur said:
1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?another_richard said:Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 6
1970-1979 debuts - 3
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 2
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers
If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 11
1960-1969 debuts - 9
1970-1979 debuts - 5
1980-1989 debuts - 6
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 3
Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.
Edit - although it's also true the championship has been weakened. With hindsight two divisions has been at best a very mixed blessing.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success Alastair Cook had on his return to Essex, and he spends more time on the farm than in the nets.0 -
kinabalu said:
Same.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, I’m also laying a 2019 election. I think one only comes about by accident.
2020 I’m much less confident about.
I think no Brexit and no election in 2019.
Election in 2020 for sure.
Brexit in 2020 too? Probably.
Boris has bet the ranch on October 31at. Do or die we will be leaving then. If Boris is blocked he will bring down parliament and have a general election.0 -
They take too much notice of Sky and BBC news instead of reading PB!notme2 said:
It’s a head ache though... party members, mps, councillors... ppc etc convinced...SandyRentool said:
Gives them a sense of self-importance. Best let them be.notme2 said:All the activists I know on both sides are gearing up for an election.
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It was BBC Any Questions, but I only caught the first half.DavidL said:
They have a policy? Which hour was this in?Foxy said:I heard Shaheen last night. She is director of the CLASS thinktank, not an MP.
According to Wiki, she is from Leytonstone and went to Chingford High School, then PPE at Oxford.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faiza_Shaheen
I wasn't put off by her accent, which is a bit estuary, so much as her inarticularcy and confused thinking. To be fair, defending and explaining Labours Brexit policy is a challenge for anyone.0 -
The batting lineups are much weaker, because every time there is a half decent batsman in a division 2 county the big boys lure him away with a huge pay cheque - sometimes illegally. So low scores and frequent collapses are the order of the day.Peter_the_Punter said:
The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.ydoethur said:
There were some quite weak bowling attacks in international cricket as well in the period 1999-2007. Bangladesh, New Zealand, West Indies, India (away) and Zimbabwe were all sides against whom half-decent batsmen would fill their boots. Now, one the other hand, there are occasional tests against Ireland or Afghanistan and the other world attacks are quite good.Peter_the_Punter said:
That looks a pretty fair reflection of the decline in the County Championship.ydoethur said:
1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?another_richard said:Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 6
1970-1979 debuts - 3
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 2
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers
If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 11
1960-1969 debuts - 9
1970-1979 debuts - 5
1980-1989 debuts - 6
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 3
Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.
Edit - although it's also true the championship has been weakened. With hindsight two divisions has been at best a very mixed blessing.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success Alastair Cook had on his return to Essex, and he spends more time on the farm than in the nets.
I don't think there's quite the same difference in bowling lineups. Or, to put it another way, Anderson, Archer, Wood and Ali all bowl for second division sides.
Edit - also remember your own side, after a very hard fought promotion battle in division two, absolutely dominated division one the following season. Admittedly the arrival of Harmer may have helped. But I don't think there's quite the gulf people like to claim.0 -
What are you bumping your gums about about you halfwit , no-one is talking about nationalism , we are talking about accents.notme2 said:
So much for the ‘civic nationalism’ claims of Scot nats.malcolmg said:
Fake f**ker to me, I would never have thought him Scottish by his voice, though most of the posho private school boys are similar.SandyRentool said:
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.malcolmg said:
Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.JBriskinindyref2 said:
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.SandyRentool said:
Do you sound like Michael Gove?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Yes, I did want toa famous play/film about it.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.JBriskinindyref2 said:malcolmg said:
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enoughJBriskinindyref2 said:
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.malcolmg said:
Is that softened to a disney one BriskinJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.dixiedean said:
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)dixiedean said:
How do you know?JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:JBriskinindyref2 said:OnlyLivingBoy said:
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.Roger said:Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
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I’ll try to calm them down...SandyRentool said:
They take too much notice of Sky and BBC news instead of reading PB!notme2 said:
It’s a head ache though... party members, mps, councillors... ppc etc convinced...SandyRentool said:
Gives them a sense of self-importance. Best let them be.notme2 said:All the activists I know on both sides are gearing up for an election.
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Not even government by press release. Government by cock-up.Scott_P said:
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That might help explain why the Selectors continue to ignore Jamie Porter. He gets decent enough figures but obviously he'd catch the eye more bowling against 2nd Division batsmen.ydoethur said:
The batting lineups are much weaker, because every time there is a half decent batsman in a division 2 county the big boys lure him away with a huge pay cheque - sometimes illegally. So low scores and frequent collapses are the order of the day.Peter_the_Punter said:
The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.ydoethur said:
There were some quite weak bowling attacks in international cricket as well in the period 1999-2007. Bangladesh, New Zealand, West Indies, India (away) and Zimbabwe were all sides against whom half-decent batsmen would fill their boots. Now, one the other hand, there are occasional tests against Ireland or Afghanistan and the other world attacks are quite good.Peter_the_Punter said:
That looks a pretty fair reflection of the decline in the County Championship.ydoethur said:
1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?another_richard said:Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 6
1970-1979 debuts - 3
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 2
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers
If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:
1946-1959 debuts - 11
1960-1969 debuts - 9
1970-1979 debuts - 5
1980-1989 debuts - 6
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 8
2010-2019 debuts - 3
Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.
Edit - although it's also true the championship has been weakened. With hindsight two divisions has been at best a very mixed blessing.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success Alastair Cook had on his return to Essex, and he spends more time on the farm than in the nets.
I don't think there's quite the same difference in bowling lineups. Or, to put it another way, Anderson, Archer, Wood and Ali all bowl for second division sides.-1 -
It's nothing to do with class. Advertisers have tested accents to death. The most trusted are Edinburgh. So banks insurance companies etc often go for a soft Edinburgh voice overs. Why would an MP choose a voice that tells the public she's not very bright?geoffw said:
A traitor to the upper class?SandyRentool said:
No, just a class traitor.ydoethur said:Again, we come back to Corbyn being a Tory?!
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Well, yes. Look at Will Gidman. Knocked over wickets for fun in Division 2 as a part-time medium pacer. Moved to Notts as a bowler and couldn't buy a wicket.Peter_the_Punter said:
That might help explain why the Selectors continue to ignore Jamie Porter. He gets decent enough figures but obviously he'd catch the eye more bowling against 2nd Division batsmen.ydoethur said:
The batting lineups are much weaker, because every time there is a half decent batsman in a division 2 county the big boys lure him away with a huge pay cheque - sometimes illegally. So low scores and frequent collapses are the order of the day.Peter_the_Punter said:The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success Alastair Cook had on his return to Essex, and he spends more time on the farm than in the nets.
I don't think there's quite the same difference in bowling lineups. Or, to put it another way, Anderson, Archer, Wood and Ali all bowl for second division sides.
Admittedly Notts are infamous for their ruination of promising young players that they steal from other counties. James Taylor, Ben Duckett, Joe Clarke also could be mentioned. But ultimately WRSG was a batsman who could bowl, but the weak batting lineups made him look like a full-on bowler.
If you want to consider how weak some batting lineups in Div 2 are, check out James Anderson's average this season.
And then ponder that there are still batsmen in that division who despite the lack of support and the firepower they are facing are still averaging over 50.1 -
English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?0 -
Is that First Class or International?another_richard said:English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?
If it is International then isn't it perhaps due to the success of Broad and Anderson claiming the top spots in the team for a long time preventing others from getting into the team?0 -
Well, 2010-19 the fact that Anderson and Broad have taken a thousand wickets between them probably restricts the options for the others.another_richard said:English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?0 -
My comment followed SandyRentool's about Corbyn being a class traitor. I have no view about class in this matter.Roger said:
It's nothing to do with class. Advertisers have tested accents to death. The most trusted are Edinburgh. So banks insurance companies etc often go for a soft Edinburgh voice overs. Why would an MP choose a voice that tells the public she's not very bright?geoffw said:
A traitor to the upper class?SandyRentool said:
No, just a class traitor.ydoethur said:Again, we come back to Corbyn being a Tory?!
However on your prompting perhaps I should open up the Henry Higgins Morningside academy for refined aspirant politicians.
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Wonderful comment on Cricinfo:
"In regards to the batting, take out Smith, and has Australia's really been that much better than England's?" Yeah, but you've seen how hard it is to take him out, right, Keith? Even bodily assault doesn't seem to work.0 -
Quite, and yet the Selectors seem oblivious to the difference in class between the Divisions - not that they take much notice of County performances anyway.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. Look at Will Gidman. Knocked over wickets for fun in Division 2 as a part-time medium pacer. Moved to Notts as a bowler and couldn't buy a wicket.Peter_the_Punter said:
That might help explain why the Selectors continue to ignore Jamie Porter. He gets decent enough figures but obviously he'd catch the eye more bowling against 2nd Division batsmen.ydoethur said:
The batting lineups are much weaker, because every time there is a half decent batsman in a division 2 county the big boys lure him away with a huge pay cheque - sometimes illegally. So low scores and frequent collapses are the order of the day.Peter_the_Punter said:The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success Alastair Cook had on his return to Essex, and he spends more time on the farm than in the nets.
I don't think there's quite the same difference in bowling lineups. Or, to put it another way, Anderson, Archer, Wood and Ali all bowl for second division sides.
Admittedly Notts are infamous for their ruination of promising young players that they steal from other counties. James Taylor, Ben Duckett, Joe Clarke also could be mentioned. But ultimately WRSG was a batsman who could bowl, but the weak batting lineups made him look like a full-on bowler.
If you want to consider how weak some batting lineups in Div 2 are, check out James Anderson's average this season.
And then ponder that there are still batsmen in that division who despite the lack of support and the firepower they are facing are still averaging over 50.0 -
I'll give you Anderson but Broad's longevity is because of the lack of competent alternatives.ydoethur said:
Well, 2010-19 the fact that Anderson and Broad have taken a thousand wickets between them probably restricts the options for the others.another_richard said:English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?0 -
I would say it's more that they (and journalists for that matter) don't seem to get the complexities. From that point of view, they're like a London journalist stubbornly insisting that Brecon showed a Boris bounce, even though if there was one they would have held the seat.Peter_the_Punter said:
Quite, and yet the Selectors seem oblivious to the difference in class between the Divisions - not that they take much notice of County performances anyway.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. Look at Will Gidman. Knocked over wickets for fun in Division 2 as a part-time medium pacer. Moved to Notts as a bowler and couldn't buy a wicket.Peter_the_Punter said:
That might help explain why the Selectors continue to ignore Jamie Porter. He gets decent enough figures but obviously he'd catch the eye more bowling against 2nd Division batsmen.ydoethur said:
The batting lineups are much weaker, because every time there is a half decent batsman in a division 2 county the big boys lure him away with a huge pay cheque - sometimes illegally. So low scores and frequent collapses are the order of the day.Peter_the_Punter said:The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success Alastair Cook had on his return to Essex, and he spends more time on the farm than in the nets.
I don't think there's quite the same difference in bowling lineups. Or, to put it another way, Anderson, Archer, Wood and Ali all bowl for second division sides.
Admittedly Notts are infamous for their ruination of promising young players that they steal from other counties. James Taylor, Ben Duckett, Joe Clarke also could be mentioned. But ultimately WRSG was a batsman who could bowl, but the weak batting lineups made him look like a full-on bowler.
If you want to consider how weak some batting lineups in Div 2 are, check out James Anderson's average this season.
And then ponder that there are still batsmen in that division who despite the lack of support and the firepower they are facing are still averaging over 50.
That might be because Ed Smith used to play only for big clubs in the South East. But I think it's simply because the First Division clubs have a stranglehold on English cricket one way and another and they don't bother to look beyond the end of their own noses.
For me, I would say performances in the Second Division should be 1) weighted by opposition - a century against Leicestershire is not the same as one against Sussex, Lancashire or even Gloucestershire and 2) bowling performances should be slightly downweighted because of the fragile batting lineups.
But they don't.0 -
While I'm not starry eyed about Broad, how many 'competent' bowlers can take 8-15 against one of the world's top batting lineups?another_richard said:
I'll give you Anderson but Broad's longevity is because of the lack of competent alternatives.ydoethur said:
Well, 2010-19 the fact that Anderson and Broad have taken a thousand wickets between them probably restricts the options for the others.another_richard said:English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?0 -
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The one thing more boring than watching cricket is listening to people talking about cricket.
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That was in 2015 - how many match winning or even match altering performances since then ?ydoethur said:
While I'm not starry eyed about Broad, how many 'competent' bowlers can take 8-15 against one of the world's top batting lineups?another_richard said:
I'll give you Anderson but Broad's longevity is because of the lack of competent alternatives.ydoethur said:
Well, 2010-19 the fact that Anderson and Broad have taken a thousand wickets between them probably restricts the options for the others.another_richard said:English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?
That's not a criticism of Broad - we all fade at some point and if there isn't a better alternative coming through.0 -
ydoethur said:Peter_the_Punter said:ydoethur said:
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.Peter_the_Punter said:
I would say it's more that they (and journalists for that matter) don't seem to get the complexities. From that point of view, they're like a London journalist stubbornly insisting that Brecon showed a Boris bounce, even though if there was one they would have held the seat.ydoethur said:
Quite, and yet the Selectors seem oblivious to the difference in class between the Divisions - not that they take much notice of County performances anyway.Peter_the_Punter said:The standard of play in Div 2 seems very much lower than in Div 1.
The difference between Test and Div 1 standard is well illustrated by the success ATaylor, Ben Duckett, Joe Clarke also could be mentioned. But ultimately WRSG was a batsman who could bowl, but the weak batting lineups made him look like a full-on bowler.
If you want to consider how weak some batting lineups in Div 2 are, check out James Anderson's average this season.
And then ponder that there are still batsmen in that division who despite the lack of support and the firepower they are facing are still averaging over 50.
That might be because Ed Smith used to play only for big clubs in the South East. But I think it's simply because the First Division clubs have a stranglehold on English cricket one way and another and they don't bother to look beyond the end of their own noses.
For me, I would say performances in the Second Division should be 1) weighted by opposition - a century against Leicestershire is not the same as one against Sussex, Lancashire or even Gloucestershire and 2) bowling performances should be slightly downweighted because of the fragile batting lineups.
But they don't.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.0 -
@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.0 -
Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.0
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How about 3200 wickets at 19 each - and one test cap?Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
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Not sure. With a legally reuqired 5 week campaign, unlike anything Blair had to face, there's too much space for somehing to go wrong.notme2 said:kinabalu said:
Same.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, I’m also laying a 2019 election. I think one only comes about by accident.
2020 I’m much less confident about.
I think no Brexit and no election in 2019.
Election in 2020 for sure.
Brexit in 2020 too? Probably.
Boris has bet the ranch on October 31at. Do or die we will be leaving then. If Boris is blocked he will bring down parliament and have a general election.0 -
Stuart Broad has so far taken 450 wickets, 67 more than any other English bowler in test history, apart from Jimmy Anderson. In any other era he would have been our absolute star.ydoethur said:
While I'm not starry eyed about Broad, how many 'competent' bowlers can take 8-15 against one of the world's top batting lineups?another_richard said:
I'll give you Anderson but Broad's longevity is because of the lack of competent alternatives.ydoethur said:
Well, 2010-19 the fact that Anderson and Broad have taken a thousand wickets between them probably restricts the options for the others.another_richard said:English bowlers - 50+ wickets at an average of under 30
1946-1959 debuts - 9
1960-1969 debuts - 5
1970-1979 debuts - 6
1980-1989 debuts - 1
1990-1999 debuts - 4
2000-2009 debuts - 6
2010-2019 debuts - 0
Including those with 50+ wickets at an average of under 35:
1946-1959 debuts - 12
1960-1969 debuts - 7
1970-1979 debuts - 9
1980-1989 debuts - 5
1990-1999 debuts - 6
2000-2009 debuts - 10
2010-2019 debuts - 3
So what was going so well in English cricket in the 2000s which has changed in the 2010s ?0 -
How on Earth did you find 6 Labour voters in Ponteland? Keep your voices down, you'll be deported over the City lines!Gallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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The history of the game is littered with similar examples. I remember Tom Cartwright and Derek Shackleton but I'm sure any cricket fan can come up with their own illustrations.ydoethur said:
How about 3200 wickets at 19 each - and one test cap?Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/18418.html0 -
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It sounds as though selectorial methods have not greatly changed...ydoethur said:
How about 3200 wickets at 19 each - and one test cap?Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/18418.html
David Foot, biographer of "characters who do not fit into their social mould" begins Cricket's Unholy Trinity, about Parker, Jack MacBryan and Cecil Parkin, with the story of Parker confronting Plum Warner, the establishment's establishment man. Parker grabbed the lapels of the older man when asked to stand aside to make way for him. "I'll never in my life make way for that bugger," Parker declared. "He's never once had a good word to say for me. This so-and-so has blocked my Test career. I played once in 1921 and he made sure I never played again. Make way for him? Mr Bloody Warner will go to bed when I've finished with him."...
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ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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Off topic: This afternoon, picking fruit in the garden. This evening, eating homemade apple and blackberry crumble. Yum!
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I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield.Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.0 -
That really does sound boring.nichomar said:ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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Stop it, I'm trying to diet and you're making me hungry!SandyRentool said:Off topic: This afternoon, picking fruit in the garden. This evening, eating homemade apple and blackberry crumble. Yum!
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By accident is why I'm so sure there will be one. Theres a lot of scope for unintentionally backing into a wall leading to one.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, I’m also laying a 2019 election. I think one only comes about by accident.
2020 I’m much less confident about.0 -
nichomar said:
Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
There's a Canvey team in a 'promotion possible' position (so far) in National League South. And my now local team have started with a win.
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People get very worked up about it.ydoethur said:
That really does sound boring.nichomar said:ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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Oh DearGallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.OldKingCole said:
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield.Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.0 -
Oddly enough Paddy didn’t really get the football thing and was not really interested whereas David Laws never missed a match but the decline in YTFC seems to mirror Lib Dem prospects but I think we’re on our way back on both fronts.OldKingCole said:
People get very worked up about it.ydoethur said:
That really does sound boring.nichomar said:ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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Have they not spent a lot of money on a female team, so reducing funds for the mens team?nichomar said:
Oddly enough Paddy didn’t really get the football thing and was not really interested whereas David Laws never missed a match but the decline in YTFC seems to mirror Lib Dem prospects but I think we’re on our way back on both fronts.OldKingCole said:
People get very worked up about it.ydoethur said:
That really does sound boring.nichomar said:ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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Or Surrey.Peter_the_Punter said:
He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.OldKingCole said:
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield.Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.0 -
That would have got Paddy interested...ralphmalph said:
Have they not spent a lot of money on a female team, so reducing funds for the mens team?nichomar said:
Oddly enough Paddy didn’t really get the football thing and was not really interested whereas David Laws never missed a match but the decline in YTFC seems to mirror Lib Dem prospects but I think we’re on our way back on both fronts.OldKingCole said:
People get very worked up about it.ydoethur said:
That really does sound boring.nichomar said:ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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I have to say following Yeovil have given me some of the most memorable moments of my life, FA trophy at Villa park two Wembley play offs you have to take the rough with the smooth.OldKingCole said:nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
There's a Canvey team in a 'promotion possible' position (so far) in National League South. And my now local team have started with a win.
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I support a League 2 team and you are dead right, the playoffs are great and the final even better, especially if you win it.nichomar said:
I have to say following Yeovil have given me some of the most memorable moments of my life, FA trophy at Villa park two Wembley play offs you have to take the rough with the smooth.OldKingCole said:nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
There's a Canvey team in a 'promotion possible' position (so far) in National League South. And my now local team have started with a win.
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Obviously went to a good university.Gallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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They actually had a very successful women’s team playing in the premier league but the two clubs male and female aren’t linked financially afaik that team have suffered a double relegation and will struggle to survive I think.ralphmalph said:
Have they not spent a lot of money on a female team, so reducing funds for the mens team?nichomar said:
Oddly enough Paddy didn’t really get the football thing and was not really interested whereas David Laws never missed a match but the decline in YTFC seems to mirror Lib Dem prospects but I think we’re on our way back on both fronts.OldKingCole said:
People get very worked up about it.ydoethur said:
That really does sound boring.nichomar said:ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
National league football if you have lived in south Somerset you may understand but I doubt it😀ydoethur said:
At what?nichomar said:Come on life could be worse I’ve just watched Yeovil lose to Barrow that’s two hours of my life I’ll never get back.
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Newcastle?PClipp said:
Obviously went to a good university.Gallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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Stay put. I'll be there as soon as I can.Gallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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I guess the Libs are preparing for Governmentkinabalu said:
Stay put. I'll be there as soon as I can.Gallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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Haha correct.OldKingCole said:
Newcastle?PClipp said:
Obviously went to a good university.Gallowgate said:Trying to forget about politics by having a nice drink in Ponteland with some old university friends however the conversation has already gone onto politics.
Out of 6 Lab voters at the 2017 election, 5 are going to now vote for Jo.
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According to the BBC News website Owen Jones claims he has been attacked by "far right activists" outside a pub in the early hours.0
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I was thinking about this the other day and Simon Hughes must have been the only Middlesex regular not to play for England during the 1980s.Peter_the_Punter said:
He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.OldKingCole said:
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield.Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.
Although I would also add that playing for Yorkshire or Lancashire does your prospects no harm.0 -
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The UK government deciding where UK taxpayer’s money is spent? It’ll never catch on.Scott_P said:0 -
Putting faith in Boris Johnson’s word ?Scott_P said:
There are those who will tell you that’s perhaps not a rock solid strategy.
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And wasn't selection highly influenced by the 'Essex Mafia' back in the early 90s?OldKingCole said:
Or Surrey.Peter_the_Punter said:
He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.OldKingCole said:
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield.Peter_the_Punter said:@ydoethur
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.0
