You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield. I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.
Or Surrey.
And wasn't selection highly influenced by the 'Essex Mafia' back in the early 90s?
Yup, I think at one time the only people who hadn't played for England at Essex were the overseas players and Mike Garnham.
Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
How do you know?
I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.
FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enough
Not if you're a weegie.
But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple
Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent. You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.
My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)
Do you sound like Michael Gove?
No - Gove has a much posher accent than me or Ms Brisk.
Nobody would mistake Gove's accent as being Scottish.
He sounds 'posh Scottish' to me.
Not as posh as Rifkind. That's the ultimate Edinburgh middle class accent
The UK government deciding where UK taxpayer’s money is spent? It’ll never catch on.
The UK government taking money off the workers whilst simultaneously making their jobs more risky to pay leave voting rich landlowners (the rural elite?). It will definitely catch on.
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield. I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.
Or Surrey.
And wasn't selection highly influenced by the 'Essex Mafia' back in the early 90s?
Yup, I think at one time the only people who hadn't played for England at Essex were the overseas players and Mike Garnham.
When we were there or thereabouts in most competitions?
You might like to try Vic Marks' latest book, Original Spin. He's no radical but almost inadvertently lifts the lid on the cliqueishness and amateurism of the English game. It would make you realise that the kind of sophistications you propose are still light years aways and that the Old Boys Network remains the best path to selection and preferment.
Marks himself did little to earn his caps - first with Somerset, then with England. Typically, he dropped out of the England scene without ever actually having done much wrong. But at least he got a fair chance. I'd sympathise with more had I not watched Ray East and David Acfield bowl Essex to much success round about the same time. Neither were ever capped.
The book is an enjoyable read, but a little depressing if you care about the game.
I've not read the book, but agree with sentiments about East and Acfield. I suspect Porter would be spoken about more as a possible if he played for Surrey.
He's not the answer to England's prayers but I watched him play against Middlesex two seasons ago when all the pacemen struggled on a hard flat pitch. Porter was the pick of them howver, followed by Stephen Finn, and then Toby Roland-Jones. Soon after, TRJ won his first England cap and was subsequently picked for the Ashes tour.
I think the simple and unexaggerated truth is that if you play regularly for Middlesex you will sooner or later be picked for England. If you play for any other County, it is not necessarily sufficient to be of Test standard. Generally speaking, the further your County is from St John's Wood the less chance you have of an England cap.
Or Surrey.
And wasn't selection highly influenced by the 'Essex Mafia' back in the early 90s?
Yup, I think at one time the only people who hadn't played for England at Essex were the overseas players and Mike Garnham.
When we were there or thereabouts in most competitions?
If Mark Illott was a test match bowler then I'm a Frenchman.
Surely if enough MPs were to ask the Speaker to recall Parliament he could do so.
We are about to find out, although the Sunday shows will be awash with Brexiteers who whine incessantly about Parliamentary Sovereignty explaining why Parliament must NOT be allowed to sit right now...
Surely if enough MPs were to ask the Speaker to recall Parliament he could do so.
We are about to find out, although the Sunday shows will be awash with Brexiteers who whine incessantly about Parliamentary Sovereignty explaining why Parliament must NOT be allowed to sit right now...
There is a difference between the sovereignty of The Queen in Parliament, and recalling some gobshites to talk a lot. We now seem to be ruled by resolutions of the House of Commons which, any constitutional lawyer will tell you, does not change the law.
I thought this would happen. Boris was only gung-ho about No Deal when he thought parliament wouldn't let him do it. Now that's looking less likely by the day, Cummings has had to hastily re-brand Boris as a No Deal sceptic. The membership must be scratching their heads and wondering what they voted for.
Surely if enough MPs were to ask the Speaker to recall Parliament he could do so.
We are about to find out, although the Sunday shows will be awash with Brexiteers who whine incessantly about Parliamentary Sovereignty explaining why Parliament must NOT be allowed to sit right now...
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Surely if enough MPs were to ask the Speaker to recall Parliament he could do so.
We are about to find out, although the Sunday shows will be awash with Brexiteers who whine incessantly about Parliamentary Sovereignty explaining why Parliament must NOT be allowed to sit right now...
Surely if enough MPs were to ask the Speaker to recall Parliament he could do so.
We are about to find out, although the Sunday shows will be awash with Brexiteers who whine incessantly about Parliamentary Sovereignty explaining why Parliament must NOT be allowed to sit right now...
I thought this would happen. Boris was only gung-ho about No Deal when he thought parliament wouldn't let him do it. Now that's looking less likely by the day, Cummings has had to hastily re-brand Boris as a No Deal sceptic. The membership must be scratching their heads and wondering what they voted for.
So he's trying to make Hammond and co really really angry so they become more determined to stop no deal? Difficult to find another explanation for this stuff.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
I thought this would happen. Boris was only gung-ho about No Deal when he thought parliament wouldn't let him do it. Now that's looking less likely by the day, Cummings has had to hastily re-brand Boris as a No Deal sceptic. The membership must be scratching their heads and wondering what they voted for.
Has any politician before Corbyn ever deployed the strategy of being totally fucking shite to such devastating tactical effect?
I actually disagree with with Mike’s analysis here - I think the VONC May actually succeed but the Corbyn govt attempt fail - paradoxically making a general election MORE likely in 2019 not less. My hope actually is the following.... VONC succeeds, Corbyn fails to get confidence and at the last minute Harriet Or ken gets the nod to avoid a no deal Brexit. This is all predicated in the fact that Bercow interprets the Fixed Term Parliament Act as allowing multiple attempts to form a government in the 14 day period. Any views on this?
I actually disagree with with Mike’s analysis here - I think the VONC May actually succeed but the Corbyn govt attempt fail - paradoxically making a general election MORE likely in 2019 not less. My hope actually is the following.... VONC succeeds, Corbyn fails to get confidence and at the last minute Harriet Or ken gets the nod to avoid a no deal Brexit. This is all predicated in the fact that Bercow interprets the Fixed Term Parliament Act as allowing multiple attempts to form a government in the 14 day period. Any views on this?
Got to say Jofra Archer was amazing today, not only was that the fastest bit of bowling I've ever seen from an Englishman but Archer v Smith was the most compelling bit of test cricket since Atherton v Donald at Trent Bridge 1998.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
1968 coup plotted against Harold Wilson's Labour government.
Lord Mountbatten came dangerously close to leading a cabal of industrialists, generals and tycoons plotting a coup against an elected Labour government, a new book reveals.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
I thought this would happen. Boris was only gung-ho about No Deal when he thought parliament wouldn't let him do it. Now that's looking less likely by the day, Cummings has had to hastily re-brand Boris as a No Deal sceptic. The membership must be scratching their heads and wondering what they voted for.
The Government position has been absolutely clear and has never wavered. Boris has always favoured a deal. He's right to point out that the EU will not reopen the matter whilst they still believe that Parliament will prevent us leaving.
The only thing that will have Johnson and Cummings cowering is if we get close to Oct 31st and Parliament hasn't stopped them.
I predict a riot. It’s easy to imagine tear gas on the streets and smoke and burning things. The gammon ripping up the kids future. The kids will be very angry. ☹️
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Indeed. All but your final sentence is superfluous really.
He's right to point out that the EU will not reopen the matter whilst they still believe that Parliament will prevent us leaving.
the EU will not reopen the matter at all (EDIT: unless BoZo moves the red lines)
What they think Parliament will do is irrelevant
And even if they wanted to Boris has ruled out the extra time that would be needed to do it, so weirdly he's created this situation where the only reason there would be any point in reopening it would be if they believe he's bluffing.
Downing Street is said to be holding daily meetings about how to delay legislation in September – a tactic designed to take away opportunities for MPs to hijack government plans with measures opposing no deal.
Not only are they ripping up all their existing trade arrangements with nothing to replace them, they are doing it while conducting an ongoing denial-of-service attack on their own parliament. Which means they can't pass any legislation to prepare for what they're about to do, or even do anything else. This is absolutely mental.
Johnson has turned the country into a giant Kursk submarine.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
I thought this would happen. Boris was only gung-ho about No Deal when he thought parliament wouldn't let him do it. Now that's looking less likely by the day, Cummings has had to hastily re-brand Boris as a No Deal sceptic. The membership must be scratching their heads and wondering what they voted for.
The Government position has been absolutely clear and has never wavered. Boris has always favoured a deal. He's right to point out that the EU will not reopen the matter whilst they still believe that Parliament will prevent us leaving.
But Boris always knew Parliament will prevent us leaving without a deal and he always knew the EU always knew that. He’s not very bright, is he?
The only thing that will have Johnson and Cummings cowering is if we get close to Oct 31st and Parliament hasn't stopped them.
I predict a riot. It’s easy to imagine tear gas on the streets and smoke and burning things. The gammon ripping up the kids future. The kids will be very angry. ☹️
There has been a constant running thread through the past 3 years. The belief that the EU has no knowledge of UK politics other than that which is transmitted via the PM.
Boris is taking no prisoners as he takes everyone in the opposition camps on in a fight that must have a conclusion by the 31st October
I have no idea where this ends and it is very scary
Each and every mp bears a heavy responsibility for this disaster
Is there anyone who can achieve a compromise.
TM's deal is still there and was and still is the best resolution
TM's deal is not there. The government needs to bring it forward. Boris has declared it dead. So. It can only be alive if Boris produces a spectacular climb down. And with no guarantee it would pass.
1968 coup plotted against Harold Wilson's Labour government.
Lord Mountbatten came dangerously close to leading a cabal of industrialists, generals and tycoons plotting a coup against an elected Labour government, a new book reveals.
Boris is taking no prisoners as he takes everyone in the opposition camps on in a fight that must have a conclusion by the 31st October
I have no idea where this ends and it is very scary
Each and every mp bears a heavy responsibility for this disaster
Is there anyone who can achieve a compromise.
TM's deal is still there and was and still is the best resolution
TM's deal is not there. The government needs to bring it forward. Boris has declared it dead. So. It can only be alive if Boris produces a spectacular climb down. And with no guarantee it would pass.
It is still there if there is a will . If all those writing a letter to Boris today had instead written an endorsement of the deal, demonstrating a cross HOC compromise, it would have a chance.
But no, they each carry on in their entrenched positions
Hence while I say, a plague on every mp for taking us down this idiotic road
I find myself playing innuendo tennis and reading obscure cricket stats, I only nipped on to laugh at this weeks hysterical electoral calculus outputs, are there no crazy holiday season polls to argue over?
I find myself playing innuendo tennis and reading obscure cricket stats, I only nipped on to laugh at this weeks hysterical electoral calculus outputs, are there no crazy holiday season polls to argue over?
Reading obscure cricket stats is one of my hobbies. At the moment I'm trying to find out what the highest run chases at Lords have been so far, but it's proving to be surprisingly difficult to find the figures.
I just wish everybody would compromise a little bit. But instead everyone insists on being self-righteous and demonizing of the other side.
Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I'd have been quite satisfied with a soft Brexit. What I find utterly unacceptable is the attempt to overturn the vote.
I just wish everybody would compromise a little bit. But instead everyone insists on being self-righteous and demonizing of the other side.
Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I'd have been quite satisfied with a soft Brexit. What I find utterly unacceptable is the attempt to overturn the vote.
I thought this would happen. Boris was only gung-ho about No Deal when he thought parliament wouldn't let him do it. Now that's looking less likely by the day, Cummings has had to hastily re-brand Boris as a No Deal sceptic. The membership must be scratching their heads and wondering what they voted for.
The Government position has been absolutely clear and has never wavered. Boris has always favoured a deal. He's right to point out that the EU will not reopen the matter whilst they still believe that Parliament will prevent us leaving.
But Boris always knew Parliament will prevent us leaving without a deal and he always knew the EU always knew that. He’s not very bright, is he?
It won't. And the EU will realise it won't. Hopefully soon enough to do something about it. Which will be no thanks to Hammond.
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Much of the plan so far seems to rely on BoZo not being asked any awkward questions during his taxpayer funded propaganda blitz...
Given that they also think we get a transition with No Deal we have to conclude Cummings and Johnson aren't very bright.
So Johnson is blaming Hammond for No Deal, Swinson is blaming Corbyn, Corbyn is blaming Swinson, and Hammond is blaming Johnson.
It must be a shit idea to attract so much blame throwing, so perhaps worth cancelling?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1162832483727134727
Tony Blair = Scot.
Only Blood and Soil Scot Nats will disagree.
The oxygen is running out and no one has a fucking clue what to do.
*Not the good kind.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/1372059/Doomed-sailors-letter-from-the-Kursk.html
That cues up his line in the bunker scene: “Das war ein Befehl!!!”
At least he knows that Stoke and Mansfield aren't in the North.
http://twitter.com/muljam23/status/1162664182359252992
Will Barclay be feted or fated?
Lord Mountbatten came dangerously close to leading a cabal of industrialists, generals and tycoons plotting a coup against an elected Labour government, a new book reveals.
The 1968 plot was designed to replace Prime Minister Harold Wilson with a coalition government to bring the country together, during what Mountbatten and the conspirators regarded as a time of national crisis.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/17/revealed-full-extent-lord-mountbattens-role-68-plot-against/
What they think Parliament will do is irrelevant
https://news.sky.com/story/pm-to-tell-merkel-and-macron-parliament-cannot-stop-no-deal-brexit-11788042
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1166921/gary-lineker-wants-stop-brexit-fund-NHS-shock-twitter
That’s sounds like a great idea - it was obvious during the referendum that the winners would never wind because thick..
We are leaving on 31/10 bar an intervention that will position Boris or Farage as nailed on to win a GE - losers choose your poison.
I have no idea where this ends and it is very scary
Each and every mp bears a heavy responsibility for this disaster
Is there anyone who can achieve a compromise.
TM's deal is still there and was and still is the best resolution
So. It can only be alive if Boris produces a spectacular climb down. And with no guarantee it would pass.
But no, they each carry on in their entrenched positions
Hence while I say, a plague on every mp for taking us down this idiotic road
Lets hope someday we will wake up to calmer waters
Good night folks
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