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basicbridge said:
There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
Good point - they need us more than we need them!0 -
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA.Zephyr said:
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that?HYUFD said:
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.Zephyr said:
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.0 -
At first glance I thought torygraph was supporting labour’s announcement today on uni places.Scott_P said:0 -
It's a very neat form of Brexit actually, anyway I hope it works but fear it wontBig_G_NorthWales said:
Stephen Kinnock is talking of 50 plus labour mps and so many want this concluded it may just get throughBenpointer said:
Well yes, I'd support that... but Boris can't can he?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have a better idea. Accept Stephen Kinnocks offer and get the WDA signedBenpointer said:
Don't be silly - they could VoNC Corbyn out very easily once No Deal has been blocked.Gabs2 said:
Corbyn knows full well what he is doing and that, once he has the office for a couple weeks, he won't budge from it. MPs will need to decide if they are willing to legitimize such a person.Scott_P said:
Even if he did, he would not get the vote through - half his cabinet would resign, the ERG would vote against, along with most of Labour, the SNP and LDs.0 -
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but hardly fits the narrativeBenpointer said:
Seems sensible to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergenciesCatMan said:I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg
so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.0 -
"Labour leader proposes to head caretaker": are the Telegraph subs on holiday?Scott_P said:0 -
All the cards!basicbridge said:There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
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To be honest our whole family oppose single use plasticBenpointer said:
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but hardly fits the narrativeBenpointer said:
Seems sensible to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergenciesCatMan said:I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg
so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.0 -
Yet you still post on his website.basicbridge said:Smithson is now a biased and unreliable witness in the battle of the polls.
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If you don't like OGH feel free to start your own site.basicbridge said:Smithson is now a biased and unreliable witness in the battle of the polls.
You're a guest here, speak with more respect.3 -
Sarah Wollaston's statement:
https://www.facebook.com/315239351932784/posts/2181057592017608
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."
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Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:Zephyr said:
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕AndyJS said:Evening everyone.
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oh buzz off. No one is above criticism.Philip_Thompson said:
If you don't like OGH feel free to start your own site.basicbridge said:Smithson is now a biased and unreliable witness in the battle of the polls.
You're a guest here, speak with more respect.
If he wants an open blog then he must accept it. Otherwise its just an echo chamber.0 -
RarelyEl_Capitano said:
Yet you still post on his website.basicbridge said:Smithson is now a biased and unreliable witness in the battle of the polls.
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Stephen Kinnock is talking out of his hind quarters. The number of Labour MPs who have indicated they have changed their minds on May's deal is closer to 5 than 50. And at least as many Tories who supported it in MV3 have disowned it - not least the PM himself.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Stephen Kinnock is talking of 50 plus labour mps and so many want this concluded it may just get throughBenpointer said:
Well yes, I'd support that... but Boris can't can he?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have a better idea. Accept Stephen Kinnocks offer and get the WDA signedBenpointer said:
Don't be silly - they could VoNC Corbyn out very easily once No Deal has been blocked.Gabs2 said:
Corbyn knows full well what he is doing and that, once he has the office for a couple weeks, he won't budge from it. MPs will need to decide if they are willing to legitimize such a person.Scott_P said:
Even if he did, he would not get the vote through - half his cabinet would resign, the ERG would vote against, along with most of Labour, the SNP and LDs.0 -
I would have expected no less from you Big_G... but I couldn't see you objecting to it's use for medical purposes where no other option exists.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest our whole family oppose single use plasticBenpointer said:
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but hardly fits the narrativeBenpointer said:
Seems sensible to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergenciesCatMan said:I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg
so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.0 -
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
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Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.2
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We hold all the cards!Benpointer said:basicbridge said:There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
Good point - they need us more than we need them!1 -
I will respond with thanks. Amidst the flak you take on this forum, I knew you could be relied on to put up answers to the questions. We may find out how strong those answers are in the coming days.HYUFD said:
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a FTA.Zephyr said:
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that?HYUFD said:
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.Zephyr said:
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.0 -
It will be an interesting, and close, contest in Totnes.El_Capitano said:Sarah Wollaston's statement:
https://www.facebook.com/315239351932784/posts/2181057592017608
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."0 -
Not open, you need to be a registered member and if you keep being rude you'll have no right to object when you get banned.basicbridge said:
oh buzz off. No one is above criticism.Philip_Thompson said:
If you don't like OGH feel free to start your own site.basicbridge said:Smithson is now a biased and unreliable witness in the battle of the polls.
You're a guest here, speak with more respect.
If he wants an open blog then he must accept it. Otherwise its just an echo chamber.0 -
Ka f**king boom.....Sean_F said:
It will be an interesting, and close, contest in Totnes.El_Capitano said:Sarah Wollaston's statement:
https://www.facebook.com/315239351932784/posts/2181057592017608
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."0 -
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?HYUFD said:
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA.Zephyr said:
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that?HYUFD said:
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.Zephyr said:
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.0 -
Its a bridge term. As in 'cards...TheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
Your comment amply proving that this is a Remain echo chamber, not a political betting site.
My mistake. Signing off.0 -
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But not inaccurate.Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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I agree but even that needs to be addressed. I have been complaining to Asda home delivery for a long time over their use of single use bags on their home deliveries and finally they stopped the practice last weekBenpointer said:
I would have expected no less from you Big_G... but I couldn't see you objecting to it's use for medical purposes where no other option exists.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be honest our whole family oppose single use plasticBenpointer said:
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but hardly fits the narrativeBenpointer said:
Seems sensible to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergenciesCatMan said:I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg
so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.0 -
I cantilever a good pun out of this one...Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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All I know about bridge is that it is a lot like sex.basicbridge said:
Its a bridge term. As in 'cards...TheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
Your comment amply proving that this is a Remain echo chamber, not a political betting site.
My mistake. Signing off.
If you haven't got a good partner you need a good hand.3 -
Close the site! How will we ever carry on now that @basicbridge has flounced?basicbridge said:
Its a bridge term. As in 'cards...TheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
Your comment amply proving that this is a Remain echo chamber, not a political betting site.
My mistake. Signing off.0 -
If I understand your sentence correctly, you contend that if the EU destroy us then their voters may be affected.basicbridge said:If the EU nomenklatura want ....to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to...
Well, yeeesss, good point, but I can't help thinking the "destroying us" bit was the important part. If somebody shoots me in the head, I am not concerned that they may be discomfited by my brain matter spoiling their nice shoes.
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Well at least you didn't keep me in suspension!Foxy said:
I cantilever a good pun out of this one...Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!Benpointer said:
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:Zephyr said:
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕AndyJS said:Evening everyone.
Scott_P said:0 -
I can't ileave er you said that.Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats.eek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
The vast majority of 2017 Tory voters now back Brexit Deal or No Deal0 -
Dammit, you got there before me!Foxy said:
I cantilever a good pun out of this one...Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.0 -
We will seeZephyr said:
I will respond with thanks. Amidst the flak you take on this forum, I knew you could be relied on to put up answers to the questions. We may find out how strong those answers are in the coming days.HYUFD said:
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a FTA.Zephyr said:
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that?HYUFD said:
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.Zephyr said:
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.0 -
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win.Gallowgate said:In other news, more shootings...
https://twitter.com/jesserodriguez/status/1161747445094735872?s=21
We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.1 -
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.rpjs said:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!Benpointer said:
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:Zephyr said:
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕AndyJS said:Evening everyone.
Scott_P said:0 -
The famous budget debate with his signed copy of the little red book, not to be confused with the big red book on government side of the box, McD was accusing ossie cozying up to nationalistic undemocratic Chinese?SandyRentool said:
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?HYUFD said:
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA.Zephyr said:
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that?HYUFD said:
2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
Come to think of it, Kill All Sparrows does have Echoes with Take Back Control. Has it been thought through?0 -
Do you have a link to his comments please?dixiedean said:
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win.Gallowgate said:In other news, more shootings...
https://twitter.com/jesserodriguez/status/1161747445094735872?s=21
We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
I'm not mad keen on doing a google search involving 'rape and incest'0 -
Truss @Foxy to be so quick eh!viewcode said:
Dammit, you got there before me!Foxy said:
I cantilever a good pun out of this one...Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/news/59853/john-mcdonnell-mao-red-book-stunt-backfiresSandyRentool said:
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?HYUFD said:
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA.Zephyr said:
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that?HYUFD said:
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.Zephyr said:
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.0 -
I feel like this joke has run its span...1
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For what reason? You saying she is unattractive?rottenborough said:
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.rpjs said:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!Benpointer said:
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:Zephyr said:
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕AndyJS said:Evening everyone.
Scott_P said:0 -
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/14/steve-king-iowa-republican-rape-incest-abortionTheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a link to his comments please?dixiedean said:
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win.Gallowgate said:In other news, more shootings...
https://twitter.com/jesserodriguez/status/1161747445094735872?s=21
We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
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No. Consider the voters.Zephyr said:
For what reason? You saying she is unattractive?rottenborough said:
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.rpjs said:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!Benpointer said:
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:Zephyr said:
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕AndyJS said:Evening everyone.
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Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
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Utter and total garbageHYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
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Thanks.dixiedean said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/14/steve-king-iowa-republican-rape-incest-abortionTheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a link to his comments please?dixiedean said:
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win.Gallowgate said:In other news, more shootings...
https://twitter.com/jesserodriguez/status/1161747445094735872?s=21
We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
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Yes, with bridge out of the picture, perhaps we should play pontoon.Gallowgate said:I feel like this joke has run its span...
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Of course but after reaching out from your base not abandoning your baseGallowgate said:
Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party0 -
An example of McDonnell NOT praising Mao. Please try again.HYUFD said:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/economy/news/59853/john-mcdonnell-mao-red-book-stunt-backfiresSandyRentool said:
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?HYUFD said:
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA.Zephyr said:
1. WhenHYUFD said:
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.Zephyr said:
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power.
4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.1 -
No - only the true believers will be saved. Their reward shall come in heaven a safe seat on a local council.Gallowgate said:
Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party0 -
Watching the BBC news at Ten. An item on social care.
The director for Hertfordshire Adult Social Services is, it turns out, about 30 stone in weight.
How can a person who is morbidly obese, and presumably incapable of denying himself a cream cheese bagel, be deemed an acceptable person to provide Adult Social Care to adults probably less disturbed than him?!
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No, the truth (and I would have some reservations about those who were UKIP in the Cameron years too, however ideologically they tend to be more conservative than most of the A List were in 2010).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Utter and total garbageHYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists0 -
You write for Private Eye and I claim my £5Byronic said:Watching the BBC news at Ten. An item on social care.
The director for Hertfordshire Adult Social Services is, it turns out, about 30 stone in weight.
How can a person who is morbidly obese, and presumably incapable of denying himself a cream cheese bagel, be deemed an acceptable person to provide Adult Social Care to adults probably less disturbed than him?!
If you are a walking barrel of lard, you should be on a massive diet, not in a welfare job.0 -
I can't Bailey-ve you've got that one in!Foxy said:
Yes, with bridge out of the picture, perhaps we should play pontoon.Gallowgate said:I feel like this joke has run its span...
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Good night folks0
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The Labour activists you refer to were more likely to have been campaigning for the SWP during the New Labour era, so aren't the best example of folk who stick with their party!HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists0 -
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Come on PBers, dig deep into your pockets for this well deserving case:
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And how many of the Tory activists were campaigning for UKIP or BXP in recent elections?SandyRentool said:
The Labour activists you refer to were more likely to have been campaigning for the SWP during the New Labour era, so aren't the best example of folk who stick with their party!HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists0 -
I always thought Nabavi, Herdson and TSE were the Tory base!HYUFD said:
Of course but after reaching out from your base not abandoning your baseGallowgate said:
Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party1 -
Is he planning to sue the Labour Party?rottenborough said:Come on PBers, dig deep into your pockets for this well deserving case:
https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/11613269287265157120 -
Intriguing movements, tho.Scott_P said:
I predict we are about to see the most interesting Autumn in British politics since the Putney Debates of October 1647.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putney_Debates
Hopefully, we will have to wait another 400 years for similar excitement.1 -
Oh, a US-UK trade deal is perfectly possible, even if Pelosi opposes it.Byronic said:
I'm not sure it will be (in this circumstance).Beibheirli_C said:
Get used to it. This is how the UK will be treated in future.Luckyguy1983 said:
None of your fucking business.williamglenn said:
Re Pelosi, remember that these are American politicians playing to Irish-American voters, and the still-modestly-powerful Irish American lobby (the lobby is obviously not THAT powerful, anymore, or Trump and Bolton would not feel able to make these breezily pro-Brexit remarks).
At the moment, coming out for the GFA and Ireland is an easy vote-winner, and it sounds morally correct. And quite possibly it is morally correct.
But imagine if Britain does a Hard or Hardest Brexit. Some fix will be found for the Border, in time. Is America, in that light. really going to antagonise one of its most significant allies, and a serious military player. the UK, in favour of a largely sentimental attachment to Ireland?
Nope. The days of the Kennedys are gone. Realpolitik would prevail. If a UK-US trade deal was in America's interest, it would be dealt.
But it will require the UK to open the doors to US agricultural products, including no non-tariff barriers on GM crops.
So: how does the UK Conservative Party, without a majority in parliament, get that past MPs from farming constituencies?0 -
Translation:Scott_P said:
Seamus has become worried that the idea of a GNU with someone other than Corbyn is beginning to gain traction, and worse, there is some chance that if we don't f**k about with everyone by throwing dead cats all over the place, then some procedural motion might actually stop a Tory No Deal Brexit and all that lovely chaos.0 -
Do trade deals have to pass the HoC though?rcs1000 said:
Oh, a US-UK trade deal is perfectly possible, even if Pelosi opposes it.Byronic said:
I'm not sure it will be (in this circumstance).Beibheirli_C said:
Get used to it. This is how the UK will be treated in future.Luckyguy1983 said:
None of your fucking business.williamglenn said:
Re Pelosi, remember that these are American politicians playing to Irish-American voters, and the still-modestly-powerful Irish American lobby (the lobby is obviously not THAT powerful, anymore, or Trump and Bolton would not feel able to make these breezily pro-Brexit remarks).
At the moment, coming out for the GFA and Ireland is an easy vote-winner, and it sounds morally correct. And quite possibly it is morally correct.
But imagine if Britain does a Hard or Hardest Brexit. Some fix will be found for the Border, in time. Is America, in that light. really going to antagonise one of its most significant allies, and a serious military player. the UK, in favour of a largely sentimental attachment to Ireland?
Nope. The days of the Kennedys are gone. Realpolitik would prevail. If a UK-US trade deal was in America's interest, it would be dealt.
But it will require the UK to open the doors to US agricultural products, including no non-tariff barriers on GM crops.
So: how does the UK Conservative Party, without a majority in parliament, get that past MPs from farming constituencies?0 -
I'm guessing #GTTO doesn't stand for 'Get the Trots Out'.rottenborough said:Come on PBers, dig deep into your pockets for this well deserving case:
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Jezza’s played an absolute blinder. No one will accept him as PM, so it’s guaranteed No Deal horror but he can shrug his shoulders and say, ‘I tried’. If Boris isn’t in a full meltdown of panic he bloody well should be.Scott_P said:
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Hmm. I’m not sure 🤔 what was his actual crime, did he say or do something anti Semitic?rottenborough said:Come on PBers, dig deep into your pockets for this well deserving case:
https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/11613269287265157120 -
🤔. As the plate gets hotter, the monkey always stands on the baby.Stark_Dawning said:
Jezza’s played an absolute blinder. No one will accept him as PM, so it’s guaranteed No Deal horror but he can shrug his shoulders and say, ‘I tried’. If Boris isn’t in a full meltdown of panic he bloody well should be.Scott_P said:
Temporarily accept Corbyn as PM, or get a No Deal brexit.0 -
Even Marina is more attractiveZephyr said:
For what reason? You saying she is unattractive?rottenborough said:
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.rpjs said:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!Benpointer said:
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:Zephyr said:
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕AndyJS said:Evening everyone.
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That's Lord Julian Brazil, to you.stodge said:
I'm quite certain the local party and the national LD party will have had conversations about this and the implications. There will be some discontent locally but, with due respect to Julian Brazil, the best placed candidate to stop the Conservatives holding Totnes is probably Sarah Wollaston and if she wants to fight under LD colours I'm comfortable with that.ydoethur said:
And I'm sure the former candidate and entire local party will be utterly delighted about this.
How could I ever doubt it?0 -
Can you cable-stay out of this?Foxy said:
I cantilever a good pun out of this one...Benpointer said:
That's a bit arch from you @TSETheScreamingEagles said:Isn't a basic bridge essentially a plank, which seems apt.
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Some but not all and ideologically they will be of the leftSandyRentool said:
The Labour activists you refer to were more likely to have been campaigning for the SWP during the New Labour era, so aren't the best example of folk who stick with their party!HYUFD said:
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.Gallowgate said:
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?HYUFD said:
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seatseek said:
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.HYUFD said:
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists0 -
Was the nation riveted to the Putney debates? Wasn’t there a mob-ball World Cup on the same time that autumn too?Byronic said:
Intriguing movements, tho.Scott_P said:
I predict we are about to see the most interesting Autumn in British politics since the Putney Debates of October 1647.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putney_Debates
Hopefully, we will have to wait another 400 years for similar excitement.
My suspicion is they were a political stitch up, not genuine debates at all, but I always thought what a great counterfactual if the debates had be won the other way and someone like rainsborough took control.0 -
This thread has *insert joke here*0
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Remember, when a iPhone is sold in the Apple Store in New York, it adds far more to US GDP than to China's.basicbridge said:There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
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It’s all or nothing for Boris now. Only the EU can rescue him. My bet is that we’ll hear a massively more conciliatory tone from Number Ten in the coming days.0
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Does the UN or which ever body she’s visiting not have video link facilities?kyf_100 said:
Ah, the exciting future of humanity. From being able to be in New York in a little over three hours on the Concorde in '76, to taking sixteen days in 2019. Progress!CatMan said:I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg
so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
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I couldn’t be less surprised about Wollaston. She’s an attention seeker (and rather good at it too) but has been heading this way for months. If not years.
I’ll repeat what I’ve said before though: there is no tent into which she won’t piss.
So the Lib Dems should be careful.0 -
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.0
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