There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
As well as Brexit, Boris is responsible for many more things g Kong as he does nothing.
4. Boris head turned away from the British registered vessel and others held illegally by the Iranians, as he does nothing.
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that? 2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it. 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
Corbyn knows full well what he is doing and that, once he has the office for a couple weeks, he won't budge from it. MPs will need to decide if they are willing to legitimize such a person.
Don't be silly - they could VoNC Corbyn out very easily once No Deal has been blocked.
I have a better idea. Accept Stephen Kinnocks offer and get the WDA signed
Well yes, I'd support that... but Boris can't can he?
Even if he did, he would not get the vote through - half his cabinet would resign, the ERG would vote against, along with most of Labour, the SNP and LDs.
Stephen Kinnock is talking of 50 plus labour mps and so many want this concluded it may just get through
It's a very neat form of Brexit actually, anyway I hope it works but fear it wont
I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergencies
Seems sensible to me.
Yes but hardly fits the narrative
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergencies
Seems sensible to me.
Yes but hardly fits the narrative
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.
To be honest our whole family oppose single use plastic
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:
Corbyn knows full well what he is doing and that, once he has the office for a couple weeks, he won't budge from it. MPs will need to decide if they are willing to legitimize such a person.
Don't be silly - they could VoNC Corbyn out very easily once No Deal has been blocked.
I have a better idea. Accept Stephen Kinnocks offer and get the WDA signed
Well yes, I'd support that... but Boris can't can he?
Even if he did, he would not get the vote through - half his cabinet would resign, the ERG would vote against, along with most of Labour, the SNP and LDs.
Stephen Kinnock is talking of 50 plus labour mps and so many want this concluded it may just get through
Stephen Kinnock is talking out of his hind quarters. The number of Labour MPs who have indicated they have changed their minds on May's deal is closer to 5 than 50. And at least as many Tories who supported it in MV3 have disowned it - not least the PM himself.
I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergencies
Seems sensible to me.
Yes but hardly fits the narrative
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.
To be honest our whole family oppose single use plastic
I would have expected no less from you Big_G... but I couldn't see you objecting to it's use for medical purposes where no other option exists.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
As well as Brexit, Boris is responsible for many more things g Kong as he does nothing.
4. Boris head turned away from the British registered vessel and others held illegally by the Iranians, as he does nothing.
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that? 2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it. 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
I will respond with thanks. Amidst the flak you take on this forum, I knew you could be relied on to put up answers to the questions. We may find out how strong those answers are in the coming days.
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."
It will be an interesting, and close, contest in Totnes.
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."
It will be an interesting, and close, contest in Totnes.
As well as Brexit, Boris is responsible for many more things g Kong as he does nothing.
4. Boris head turned away from the British registered vessel and others held illegally by the Iranians, as he does nothing.
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that? 2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it. 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?
I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
The irony is they have an inboard engine for emergencies
Seems sensible to me.
Yes but hardly fits the narrative
Well, yes and no. I am against single use plastic and my wife and I have cut it out as much as we can... but I am still happy to use it for essential medical purposes.
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.
To be honest our whole family oppose single use plastic
I would have expected no less from you Big_G... but I couldn't see you objecting to it's use for medical purposes where no other option exists.
I agree but even that needs to be addressed. I have been complaining to Asda home delivery for a long time over their use of single use bags on their home deliveries and finally they stopped the practice last week
If the EU nomenklatura want ....to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to...
If I understand your sentence correctly, you contend that if the EU destroy us then their voters may be affected.
Well, yeeesss, good point, but I can't help thinking the "destroying us" bit was the important part. If somebody shoots me in the head, I am not concerned that they may be discomfited by my brain matter spoiling their nice shoes.
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats.
The vast majority of 2017 Tory voters now back Brexit Deal or No Deal
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
As well as Brexit, Boris is responsible for many more things g Kong as he does nothing.
4. Boris head turned away from the British registered vessel and others held illegally by the Iranians, as he does nothing.
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that? 2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it. 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
I will respond with thanks. Amidst the flak you take on this forum, I knew you could be relied on to put up answers to the questions. We may find out how strong those answers are in the coming days.
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win. We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that? 2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it. 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?
The famous budget debate with his signed copy of the little red book, not to be confused with the big red book on government side of the box, McD was accusing ossie cozying up to nationalistic undemocratic Chinese?
Come to think of it, Kill All Sparrows does have Echoes with Take Back Control. Has it been thought through?
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win. We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
Do you have a link to his comments please?
I'm not mad keen on doing a google search involving 'rape and incest'
As well as Brexit, Boris is responsible for many more things g Kong as he does nothing.
4. Boris head turned away from the British registered vessel and others held illegally by the Iranians, as he does nothing.
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
1. When EU point out EU ban on oil to Syria only applies to EU registered vessels. Does Boris actually have a response to that? 2. I was pointing to the escalating situation in the English Channel, and that the government need to show themselves on the front foot against the evil gangs , thanks for your points but none of them addressed it. 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win. We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
Do you have a link to his comments please?
I'm not mad keen on doing a google search involving 'rape and incest'
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
This kind of stuff, along with the rape and incest comments of Rep. Steve King today, is the strongest possible indicator to me that a post-Brexit election in which one side plays lapdog to the USA is going to be tough to win. We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
Do you have a link to his comments please?
I'm not mad keen on doing a google search involving 'rape and incest'
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party
Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?
Of course but after reaching out from your base not abandoning your base
As well as Brexit, Boris is responsible for many more things g Kong as he does nothing.
4. Boris head turned away from the British registered vessel and others held illegally by the Iranians, as he does nothing.
1. The UK is still in the EU so until we Leave wrong if they are in EU waters then EU law applies.
2. The UK is ending free movement and replacing it with a points system and Salvini is set to win a landslide in the autumn in the Italian general election to send migrant boats back to Africa.
3. Raab personally phoned Carrie Lam despite Chinese protestations to complain about treatment of pro democracy pritestors in Hong Kong.
4. It was on May's watch the Iranian vessel was seized not Boris' and the UK is now set to undertake patrols with US ships in the region.
1. When 3. To be fair apart from that phone call, what can be done. Politics isn’t fair, it’s Boris who will look weak and whose rating will fall, not a party leader out of power. 4. With reference to 1. happening, that vessel and other captives in Iran will be front and centre of the news and the government reactive, unless they get on the front foot.
1. Yes if necessary he will be Trump's enforcer in chief in Europe if necessary if the EU won't do it, should help with a US FTA. 2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source. 3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao. 4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
Can you provide an example of McDonnell praising Mao?
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party
Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?
No - only the true believers will be saved. Their reward shall come in heaven a safe seat on a local council.
Watching the BBC news at Ten. An item on social care.
The director for Hertfordshire Adult Social Services is, it turns out, about 30 stone in weight.
How can a person who is morbidly obese, and presumably incapable of denying himself a cream cheese bagel, be deemed an acceptable person to provide Adult Social Care to adults probably less disturbed than him?!
If you are a walking barrel of lard, you should be on a massive diet, not in a welfare job.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
Utter and total garbage
No, the truth (and I would have some reservations about those who were UKIP in the Cameron years too, however ideologically they tend to be more conservative than most of the A List were in 2010).
Watching the BBC news at Ten. An item on social care.
The director for Hertfordshire Adult Social Services is, it turns out, about 30 stone in weight.
How can a person who is morbidly obese, and presumably incapable of denying himself a cream cheese bagel, be deemed an acceptable person to provide Adult Social Care to adults probably less disturbed than him?!
If you are a walking barrel of lard, you should be on a massive diet, not in a welfare job.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
The Labour activists you refer to were more likely to have been campaigning for the SWP during the New Labour era, so aren't the best example of folk who stick with their party!
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
The Labour activists you refer to were more likely to have been campaigning for the SWP during the New Labour era, so aren't the best example of folk who stick with their party!
And how many of the Tory activists were campaigning for UKIP or BXP in recent elections?
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party
Is attracting floating voters not a good thing?
Of course but after reaching out from your base not abandoning your base
I always thought Nabavi, Herdson and TSE were the Tory base!
Get used to it. This is how the UK will be treated in future.
I'm not sure it will be (in this circumstance).
Re Pelosi, remember that these are American politicians playing to Irish-American voters, and the still-modestly-powerful Irish American lobby (the lobby is obviously not THAT powerful, anymore, or Trump and Bolton would not feel able to make these breezily pro-Brexit remarks).
At the moment, coming out for the GFA and Ireland is an easy vote-winner, and it sounds morally correct. And quite possibly it is morally correct.
But imagine if Britain does a Hard or Hardest Brexit. Some fix will be found for the Border, in time. Is America, in that light. really going to antagonise one of its most significant allies, and a serious military player. the UK, in favour of a largely sentimental attachment to Ireland?
Nope. The days of the Kennedys are gone. Realpolitik would prevail. If a UK-US trade deal was in America's interest, it would be dealt.
Oh, a US-UK trade deal is perfectly possible, even if Pelosi opposes it.
But it will require the UK to open the doors to US agricultural products, including no non-tariff barriers on GM crops.
So: how does the UK Conservative Party, without a majority in parliament, get that past MPs from farming constituencies?
Seamus has become worried that the idea of a GNU with someone other than Corbyn is beginning to gain traction, and worse, there is some chance that if we don't f**k about with everyone by throwing dead cats all over the place, then some procedural motion might actually stop a Tory No Deal Brexit and all that lovely chaos.
Get used to it. This is how the UK will be treated in future.
I'm not sure it will be (in this circumstance).
Re Pelosi, remember that these are American politicians playing to Irish-American voters, and the still-modestly-powerful Irish American lobby (the lobby is obviously not THAT powerful, anymore, or Trump and Bolton would not feel able to make these breezily pro-Brexit remarks).
At the moment, coming out for the GFA and Ireland is an easy vote-winner, and it sounds morally correct. And quite possibly it is morally correct.
But imagine if Britain does a Hard or Hardest Brexit. Some fix will be found for the Border, in time. Is America, in that light. really going to antagonise one of its most significant allies, and a serious military player. the UK, in favour of a largely sentimental attachment to Ireland?
Nope. The days of the Kennedys are gone. Realpolitik would prevail. If a UK-US trade deal was in America's interest, it would be dealt.
Oh, a US-UK trade deal is perfectly possible, even if Pelosi opposes it.
But it will require the UK to open the doors to US agricultural products, including no non-tariff barriers on GM crops.
So: how does the UK Conservative Party, without a majority in parliament, get that past MPs from farming constituencies?
Jezza’s played an absolute blinder. No one will accept him as PM, so it’s guaranteed No Deal horror but he can shrug his shoulders and say, ‘I tried’. If Boris isn’t in a full meltdown of panic he bloody well should be.
Jezza’s played an absolute blinder. No one will accept him as PM, so it’s guaranteed No Deal horror but he can shrug his shoulders and say, ‘I tried’. If Boris isn’t in a full meltdown of panic he bloody well should be.
🤔. As the plate gets hotter, the monkey always stands on the baby.
Temporarily accept Corbyn as PM, or get a No Deal brexit.
I am hanging around for the front pages, if they rally behind BoJo’s collaborators line of attack with “collaborating with Enemy - traitors” it’s going to be another low for this divided nation. 😕
Well, it doesn't look like even Boris's own paper is running with his line:
If that happened, I think the bettors here would have an interesting market on whether Johnson or Corbyn would end up with record of shortest-serving British Prime Minister!
I can't help thinking that every photo of Carrie is another few votes lost.
And I'm sure the former candidate and entire local party will be utterly delighted about this.
How could I ever doubt it?
I'm quite certain the local party and the national LD party will have had conversations about this and the implications. There will be some discontent locally but, with due respect to Julian Brazil, the best placed candidate to stop the Conservatives holding Totnes is probably Sarah Wollaston and if she wants to fight under LD colours I'm comfortable with that.
I'm sure she'll be far happier there than she ever was in the Conservative party.
Half of Cameron's A List in 2010 were liberals not conservatives anyway, Wollaston, Soubry, Mensch, Allen, Boles Lee etc they have just found their natural home
Um, the centralist Tory MPs always had 2 homes (the Lib Dems or the Tories) and as with Rory picked the one they preferred.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
No, they were not Tories, half of them had no history of campaigning for the party in the wilderness years from 1997 to 2005 they only joined under a liberal leader when it looked like the Tories would get into power and they could waltz into winnable seats
They weren’t suitably dedicated to the cult?
As far as I am concerned if you are not prepared to campaign for the party in good times and bad you are not a conservative but a floating voter at best.
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
The Labour activists you refer to were more likely to have been campaigning for the SWP during the New Labour era, so aren't the best example of folk who stick with their party!
Some but not all and ideologically they will be of the left
Hopefully, we will have to wait another 400 years for similar excitement.
Was the nation riveted to the Putney debates? Wasn’t there a mob-ball World Cup on the same time that autumn too?
My suspicion is they were a political stitch up, not genuine debates at all, but I always thought what a great counterfactual if the debates had be won the other way and someone like rainsborough took control.
There is a recession on the way, with its epicentre in the exporting centres of China and Germany.
If the EU nomenklatura want to drive that into a depression to make a point by destroying the EU's largest market then they will have the voters of Europe to answer to.
They may not care. But Europe's elected politicians will...
Remember, when a iPhone is sold in the Apple Store in New York, it adds far more to US GDP than to China's.
It’s all or nothing for Boris now. Only the EU can rescue him. My bet is that we’ll hear a massively more conciliatory tone from Number Ten in the coming days.
I know everyone here are really big fans of Greta Thunberg so you can all watch her progress here: https://t.co/6nhsBbn73Q?amp=1
Ah, the exciting future of humanity. From being able to be in New York in a little over three hours on the Concorde in '76, to taking sixteen days in 2019. Progress!
Does the UN or which ever body she’s visiting not have video link facilities?
I couldn’t be less surprised about Wollaston. She’s an attention seeker (and rather good at it too) but has been heading this way for months. If not years.
I’ll repeat what I’ve said before though: there is no tent into which she won’t piss.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
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Good point - they need us more than we need them!
2. Most of the migrants in the Channel come from Africa via southern Europe so if Salvini is elected Italian PM in the autumn with a send back the boats policy as is likely that addresses your point absolutely at source.
3. Short of invading Hong Kong to force out China which obviously would only be done with Trump's USA alongside the UK has done as much as it can while Corbyn will be remembered as the man whose Shadow Chancellor praised Mao.
4. The Royal Navy is already stepping up joint patrols in the Gulf with the US Navy.
I don't think I am being too hypocritical.
You're a guest here, speak with more respect.
https://www.facebook.com/315239351932784/posts/2181057592017608
"My in-box also has messages from some who ask if I am calling a by-election in Totnes. The answer is straightforward; I will be backing an election in Totnes by voting no confidence in the government at the earliest opportunity. 99.86% of the population had no choice whatsoever about our current Prime Minister and I believe the whole electorate deserves a say. It is a general election that is needed, not just a by-election, and it needs to take place before we leave the EU.
"The Liberal Democrats under the new leadership of Jo Swinson are outward looking and unequivocally committed to remaining at the heart of an evolving Europe. In this new political landscape, I feel this is the best political party from which to stand up for the communities I am privileged to represent. I hope that you will join me."
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1161744553017319425
If he wants an open blog then he must accept it. Otherwise its just an echo chamber.
The Tory option seems to have been lost but I don't think it's the fault of the centralist MPs more a swing by the Tory party to the right in the hope of attracting voters who will probably never vote Tory.
Your comment amply proving that this is a Remain echo chamber, not a political betting site.
My mistake. Signing off.
https://twitter.com/jesserodriguez/status/1161747445094735872?s=21
If you haven't got a good partner you need a good hand.
Well, yeeesss, good point, but I can't help thinking the "destroying us" bit was the important part. If somebody shoots me in the head, I am not concerned that they may be discomfited by my brain matter spoiling their nice shoes.
The vast majority of 2017 Tory voters now back Brexit Deal or No Deal
We are culturally light years from their governing Party. Even with the current Cabinet.
Come to think of it, Kill All Sparrows does have Echoes with Take Back Control. Has it been thought through?
I'm not mad keen on doing a google search involving 'rape and incest'
I am sure many Labour activists would say the same of New Labour types who have now deserted the party and are not proper socialists
The director for Hertfordshire Adult Social Services is, it turns out, about 30 stone in weight.
How can a person who is morbidly obese, and presumably incapable of denying himself a cream cheese bagel, be deemed an acceptable person to provide Adult Social Care to adults probably less disturbed than him?!
If you are a walking barrel of lard, you should be on a massive diet, not in a welfare job.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1161751880864862209
https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1161326928726515712
I predict we are about to see the most interesting Autumn in British politics since the Putney Debates of October 1647.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putney_Debates
Hopefully, we will have to wait another 400 years for similar excitement.
But it will require the UK to open the doors to US agricultural products, including no non-tariff barriers on GM crops.
So: how does the UK Conservative Party, without a majority in parliament, get that past MPs from farming constituencies?
Seamus has become worried that the idea of a GNU with someone other than Corbyn is beginning to gain traction, and worse, there is some chance that if we don't f**k about with everyone by throwing dead cats all over the place, then some procedural motion might actually stop a Tory No Deal Brexit and all that lovely chaos.
Temporarily accept Corbyn as PM, or get a No Deal brexit.
My suspicion is they were a political stitch up, not genuine debates at all, but I always thought what a great counterfactual if the debates had be won the other way and someone like rainsborough took control.
I’ll repeat what I’ve said before though: there is no tent into which she won’t piss.
So the Lib Dems should be careful.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.