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Specifically, I believe, it's the Warsaw and Montréal Conventionsrcs1000 said:
Aviation is part of a different set of accords to WTO/GATTPhilip_Thompson said:
Doesn't it depend upon what the sector deal is?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, that is wrong. It has to be a full free-trade agreement:Philip_Thompson said:
AFAIK sector by sector is allowed. Each sector deal is a deal.OllyT said:If we leave with No Deal and fall back on WTO rules would we be allowed to have sector by sector deals with the US or would it have to be a full FTA or nothing?
The formation of free-trade areas is considered an exception to the most favored nation (MFN) principle in the World Trade Organization (WTO) because the preferences that parties to a free-trade area exclusively grant each other go beyond their accession commitments. Although Article XXIV of the GATT allows WTO members to establish free-trade areas or to adopt interim agreements necessary for the establishment thereof, there are several conditions with respect to free-trade areas, or interim agreements leading to the formation of free-trade areas.
... A second requirement stipulated by Article XXIV is that tariffs and other barriers to trade must be eliminated to substantially all the trade within the free-trade area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-trade_area
For instance doesn't the EU have a deal with the USA for the aviation sector? That is permitted despite that restriction. If so, presumably we would be permitted one on the same grounds?0 -
kjh, you will be upsetting the snowflakes.kjh said:
No not at all. In our house for instance the roles are largely reversed anyway. We have harmless jokes at each other's expense. Similarly my wife is Scottish and I'm English. Usual patter there. A close friend who is gay and, I'm straight. Same thing. But then none of us are bigoted. Banter around diy skills, girls can't throw, multi tasking, etc all in fun. I think it is pretty obvious when someone is bigoted and believes the message being portrayed and when there is a laugh to be had.Streeter said:
Do a thought experiment and reverse the genders. You may come to a different conclusion.kjh said:
See my other response. Your response was a bit over the top, but in fairness my comment was short and not explained. Hopefully my more detailed response will make you feel better about my view. I am strongly in favour of equality, but feel these are harmless bits of fun not to be taken seriously.Streeter said:
No, they are appallingly sexist. What is wrong with you?kjh said:
Agree they are just jokes.ydoethur said:OK. At what point do we say this country has officially lost its marbles?
Philadelphia and VW ads banned for gender stereotyping
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49332640
I hate to sound like a Daily Mail reader, but...0 -
I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!0
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Eh? How would you know what's going on in all the way up in Aberdeen. Aberdeen is a great anti-separatist city. If only we could find a unity candidate to get rid of Blackman.malcolmg said:
A lot of good that is doing Aberdeen, what flustercluck they are making of itlogical_song said:
Also there have been some Con/Lab coalitions.OldKingCole said:
There are all sorts of bizarre arrangements in local councils, to ensure that business gets done. When I was a student in the NE, back in around 1960 there was alleged to be an informal arrangement in one council between the local Ratepayers and the Communists.StuartDickson said:The Liberal Democrats are propping up the Tories in lots of local councils, not least in Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire. Will they be leaving these arrangements to increase pressure on the Tories regarding No Deal?
" The Conservatives have agreed a deal with Labour to and independents to run Aberdeen City Council – this puts the Lib Dems and SNP into opposition. In East Lothian there is also talk of a Labour/Conservative deal. There will also be a joint Labour/Conservative administration in Stirling."
https://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2012/05/labourconservative-coalition-to-run-aberdeen.html0 -
Course we don't Malcolm. We do remember what happened in 2015 and it'll be a very cold day in a very hot place before we do any deal with the Conservatives.malcolmg said:
First whiff of ministerial cars and the pants will be dropped , they have no principles OKC.
But I forget myself - we have no principles. I'm sure if Boris offered STV without a Referendum and a commitment to Revoke without a referendum we'd give it some thought.
I'm sure Nicola would only be too happy to sell her soul to Corbyn in exchange for having another go at the question - perhaps she'll get the right answer next time.
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Delusional. Has he not grasped that we cannot negotiate a new deal in 2 months?Scott_P said:0 -
My understanding is the conversation is about the way the advertisement is produced, using the correct values and respecting the diversity of gender, race, religion, and done in a way that will not stereotype a grouping.Stereotomy said:
Marketing cigarettes to children?kinabalu said:
Just leave it to the market in other words?philiph said:The policing of the ad industry should come from the target audience. If they are offended / don't like the advert, then don't buy the product. Aren't we advanced enough to make our own minds up?
I would not be comfortable with that. I can easily imagine an ad that was toxic but superbly made and effective, which for the general good should not be granted mainstream release.
I think it's good to have some self-regulation.
Advertising medicinal properties a product doesn't really possess?
Making false claims about a competitor's product?
Don't worry, the Free Market™ will prevent all that. Because if there's one thing we know, it's that nothing harmful is ever profitable.
The product advertised, the target audience and veracity of the claims made are a separate issue, the examples you make are correctly on the non admissible or banned list.
The two aspects are almost (if not completely) separate.
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Shame about the cricket - like a good PBer I laid the draw. If it's rained off does that make it a draw?0
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Briskin, I can read, the place is in a mess, skint and cannot even keep the tips open despite the highest council tax rises in the country, lots of job cuts as well. I could go on for hours.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Eh? How would you know what's going on in all the way up in Aberdeen. Aberdeen is a great anti-separatist city. If only we could find a unity candidate to get rid of Blackman.malcolmg said:
A lot of good that is doing Aberdeen, what flustercluck they are making of itlogical_song said:
Also there have been some Con/Lab coalitions.OldKingCole said:
There are all sorts of bizarre arrangements in local councils, to ensure that business gets done. When I was a student in the NE, back in around 1960 there was alleged to be an informal arrangement in one council between the local Ratepayers and the Communists.StuartDickson said:The Liberal Democrats are propping up the Tories in lots of local councils, not least in Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire. Will they be leaving these arrangements to increase pressure on the Tories regarding No Deal?
" The Conservatives have agreed a deal with Labour to and independents to run Aberdeen City Council – this puts the Lib Dems and SNP into opposition. In East Lothian there is also talk of a Labour/Conservative deal. There will also be a joint Labour/Conservative administration in Stirling."
https://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2012/05/labourconservative-coalition-to-run-aberdeen.html
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YesJBriskinindyref2 said:Shame about the cricket - like a good PBer I laid the draw. If it's rained off does that make it a draw?
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Indeed but isn't that what is normally meant by sector by sector deals? Since the WTO forbids anyone from doing goods based sector deals.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think agreements on services are different, but I'm reaching the limits of my knowledge on the exact rules.Philip_Thompson said:Doesn't it depend upon what the sector deal is?
For instance doesn't the EU have a deal with the USA for the aviation sector? That is permitted despite that restriction. If so, presumably we would be permitted one on the same grounds?0 -
they have form, what can I say. We will have indyref with or without any Westminster deals, they can only break international law for so long.stodge said:
Course we don't Malcolm. We do remember what happened in 2015 and it'll be a very cold day in a very hot place before we do any deal with the Conservatives.malcolmg said:
First whiff of ministerial cars and the pants will be dropped , they have no principles OKC.
But I forget myself - we have no principles. I'm sure if Boris offered STV without a Referendum and a commitment to Revoke without a referendum we'd give it some thought.
I'm sure Nicola would only be too happy to sell her soul to Corbyn in exchange for having another go at the question - perhaps she'll get the right answer next time.0 -
Only thing I've noticed is new recycling bins for us which makes Ms Brisk happy.malcolmg said:
Briskin, I can read, the place is in a mess, skint and cannot even keep the tips open despite the highest council tax rises in the country, lots of job cuts as well. I could go on for hours.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Eh? How would you know what's going on in all the way up in Aberdeen. Aberdeen is a great anti-separatist city. If only we could find a unity candidate to get rid of Blackman.malcolmg said:
A lot of good that is doing Aberdeen, what flustercluck they are making of itlogical_song said:
Also there have been some Con/Lab coalitions.OldKingCole said:
There are all sorts of bizarre arrangements in local councils, to ensure that business gets done. When I was a student in the NE, back in around 1960 there was alleged to be an informal arrangement in one council between the local Ratepayers and the Communists.StuartDickson said:The Liberal Democrats are propping up the Tories in lots of local councils, not least in Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire. Will they be leaving these arrangements to increase pressure on the Tories regarding No Deal?
" The Conservatives have agreed a deal with Labour to and independents to run Aberdeen City Council – this puts the Lib Dems and SNP into opposition. In East Lothian there is also talk of a Labour/Conservative deal. There will also be a joint Labour/Conservative administration in Stirling."
https://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2012/05/labourconservative-coalition-to-run-aberdeen.html
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Judging by your last 5 words, you should fit into PB very well!malcolmg said:
Briskin, I can read, the place is in a mess, skint and cannot even keep the tips open despite the highest council tax rises in the country, lots of job cuts as well. I could go on for hours.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Eh? How would you know what's going on in all the way up in Aberdeen. Aberdeen is a great anti-separatist city. If only we could find a unity candidate to get rid of Blackman.malcolmg said:
A lot of good that is doing Aberdeen, what flustercluck they are making of itlogical_song said:
Also there have been some Con/Lab coalitions.OldKingCole said:
There are all sorts of bizarre arrangements in local councils, to ensure that business gets done. When I was a student in the NE, back in around 1960 there was alleged to be an informal arrangement in one council between the local Ratepayers and the Communists.StuartDickson said:The Liberal Democrats are propping up the Tories in lots of local councils, not least in Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire. Will they be leaving these arrangements to increase pressure on the Tories regarding No Deal?
" The Conservatives have agreed a deal with Labour to and independents to run Aberdeen City Council – this puts the Lib Dems and SNP into opposition. In East Lothian there is also talk of a Labour/Conservative deal. There will also be a joint Labour/Conservative administration in Stirling."
https://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2012/05/labourconservative-coalition-to-run-aberdeen.html
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Don't forget the Labour Left have been planning Brexit for a very very long time and actually know how long it will take. If they'd been smart, the Tory Brexiters would have made common cause with them. And we'd have been leaving sometime around 2030, but for good.Beibheirli_C said:
Delusional. Has he not grasped that we cannot negotiate a new deal in 2 months?Scott_P said:0 -
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YesJBriskinindyref2 said:Shame about the cricket - like a good PBer I laid the draw. If it's rained off does that make it a draw?
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Very interesting thread here:
https://twitter.com/JamesKanag/status/11616392824503214090 -
My partner celebrated his 40th birthday just after the 2005 election. He did so at a hotel in Northern Ireland. One of our friends, who had not visited Northern Ireland before, was from Kenya. She surveyed all the posters and flags, and announced: "I like this place, they take their politics seriously." The rest of us just looked at her.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
I'm afraid your vexillological comment immediately brought that to mind.0 -
Lol - good luck with your indyref without Westminster - remember what happened in Catalonia? Nicola will be in jail.malcolmg said:
they have form, what can I say. We will have indyref with or without any Westminster deals, they can only break international law for so long.stodge said:
Course we don't Malcolm. We do remember what happened in 2015 and it'll be a very cold day in a very hot place before we do any deal with the Conservatives.malcolmg said:
First whiff of ministerial cars and the pants will be dropped , they have no principles OKC.
But I forget myself - we have no principles. I'm sure if Boris offered STV without a Referendum and a commitment to Revoke without a referendum we'd give it some thought.
I'm sure Nicola would only be too happy to sell her soul to Corbyn in exchange for having another go at the question - perhaps she'll get the right answer next time.
I'm all for it.0 -
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
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philiph said:
Judging by your last 5 words, you should fit into PB very well!malcolmg said:
Briskin, I can read, the place is in a mess, skint and cannot even keep the tips open despite the highest council tax rises in the country, lots of job cuts as well. I could go on for hours.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Eh? How would you know what's going on in all the way up in Aberdeen. Aberdeen is a great anti-separatist city. If only we could find a unity candidate to get rid of Blackman.malcolmg said:
A lot of good that is doing Aberdeen, what flustercluck they are making of itlogical_song said:
Also there have been some Con/Lab coalitions.OldKingCole said:
There are all sorts of bizarre arrangements in local councils, to ensure that business gets done. When I was a student in the NE, back in around 1960 there was alleged to be an informal arrangement in one council between the local Ratepayers and the Communists.StuartDickson said:The Liberal Democrats are propping up the Tories in lots of local councils, not least in Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire. Will they be leaving these arrangements to increase pressure on the Tories regarding No Deal?
" The Conservatives have agreed a deal with Labour to and independents to run Aberdeen City Council – this puts the Lib Dems and SNP into opposition. In East Lothian there is also talk of a Labour/Conservative deal. There will also be a joint Labour/Conservative administration in Stirling."
https://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2012/05/labourconservative-coalition-to-run-aberdeen.html 0 -
I'm glad you're getting your money's worth for the £11 billion/year (about £15,000 per family) we spend subsidising the place.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
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Not another one with HYFUD virus, are you secretly a spotty teenager.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Lol - good luck with your indyref without Westminster - remember what happened in Catalonia? Nicola will be in jail.malcolmg said:
they have form, what can I say. We will have indyref with or without any Westminster deals, they can only break international law for so long.stodge said:
Course we don't Malcolm. We do remember what happened in 2015 and it'll be a very cold day in a very hot place before we do any deal with the Conservatives.malcolmg said:
First whiff of ministerial cars and the pants will be dropped , they have no principles OKC.
But I forget myself - we have no principles. I'm sure if Boris offered STV without a Referendum and a commitment to Revoke without a referendum we'd give it some thought.
I'm sure Nicola would only be too happy to sell her soul to Corbyn in exchange for having another go at the question - perhaps she'll get the right answer next time.
I'm all for it.0 -
Did you include the Tory bribe thereFishing said:
I'm glad you're getting your money's worth for the £11 billion/year (about £15,000 per family) we spend subsidising the place.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
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Nah - I'll be 40 next month - Ms Brisk currently off buying my presents. I admit I do live the life of a spoilt teenager.malcolmg said:
Not another one with HYFUD virus, are you secretly a spotty teenager.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Lol - good luck with your indyref without Westminster - remember what happened in Catalonia? Nicola will be in jail.malcolmg said:
they have form, what can I say. We will have indyref with or without any Westminster deals, they can only break international law for so long.stodge said:
Course we don't Malcolm. We do remember what happened in 2015 and it'll be a very cold day in a very hot place before we do any deal with the Conservatives.malcolmg said:
First whiff of ministerial cars and the pants will be dropped , they have no principles OKC.
But I forget myself - we have no principles. I'm sure if Boris offered STV without a Referendum and a commitment to Revoke without a referendum we'd give it some thought.
I'm sure Nicola would only be too happy to sell her soul to Corbyn in exchange for having another go at the question - perhaps she'll get the right answer next time.
I'm all for it.0 -
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Yes, Hampstead police station was closed in the Johnson cuts.stodge said:Some comment on Johnson's blatant electioneering on law and order:
https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2019/08/johnsons-justice-plans-monumental-waste-money?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=
Reform have misunderstood the Johnson/Patel actions as serious policy proposals which of course they aren't. They are an attempt to look "tough" on crime to win support before an election. Johnson, as Mayor of London, oversaw cuts in Police numbers and the closure of operational Police stations.
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I dont support Brexit but am glad that somebody is proud to be British! It feels like Brexiteers want out of the EU and dont mind if the UK dissentigrates as well. Both are wrong and I have taken the time to visit NI as it might not be in the UK much longer...AlastairMeeks said:
My partner celebrated his 40th birthday just after the 2005 election. He did so at a hotel in Northern Ireland. One of our friends, who had not visited Northern Ireland before, was from Kenya. She surveyed all the posters and flags, and announced: "I like this place, they take their politics seriously." The rest of us just looked at her.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
I'm afraid your vexillological comment immediately brought that to mind.0 -
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Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).0
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Looking at the rain radar, it's going to be an official 4 day test match0
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I think she has ruled out working with Corbyn. Whether that includes bringing down a Labour govt led by him (and potentially facilitating a no deal brexit) is unclear to me at least. But as someone pointed out to me the other day, a bit of ambiguity is probably helpful in getting Tory switchers.NickPalmer said:
AS I understand it, Swinson has ruled out coalition with Corbyn (which given the history of what happens to junior partners does make sense), but has not ruled out confidence and supply with either Corbyn-led Labour or Johnson-led Tories (or, indeed, coalition with Boris?). As always with the LibDems, they want votes first, and they'll get back to us later about what they do with them.rkrkrk said:
Indeed. To some extent, I think any Labour leader would have been seen as insufficiently remainy to Lib Dems. After all it wasn't that long ago Chuka was telling people leaving the single market was an acceptable price to pay to introduce immigration restrictions. Ed Miliband wanted to be tough on immigration etc.kinabalu said:
Yes, I think the harsh truth - and for many it IS harsh - is that if you want to stop Brexit you must stomach Jez in Number 10.rkrkrk said:This is indeed one of the crucial questions.
Another is: what is the path to ref 2 that does not involve Corbyn becoming PM?
I see only two ways for that to happen and both look unlikely:
1. Lib dems win more seats/poach more sitting MPs than Labour
2. Labour somehow ditch Corbyn, either between now and next GE, or after a GE result.
The Lib dems should see it as quite a triumph that they've been part of persuading Labour to completely shift its position on brexit in just 2 years.
Corbyn has his own baggage of course. But in terms of world view, I see similarities between him and the Lib Dems on many issues like Iraq, civil liberties, house of lords reform, tuition fees etc...0 -
Those figures are rather old (March), but still kind of disturbing. In the latest month on which data is available, foreign tourist spend was down 8% year-over-year.anothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
If the World Economic Slowdown (WES) continues, then tourism is going to be hit hard everywhere.
(Which is not going to be good for Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. Or Mexico.)0 -
Is that how Nick Clegg got his job?DecrepitJohnL said:
Do you have any serious objection? I expect whoever does write the algorithm will be cleverer than me, perhaps nearly as clever as you, and as already pointed out, as years go by there will be actual data. Oh, and some companies already use algorithms to filter job applications, and don't get me started on match.com, Tinder and Grindr.YBarddCwsc said:
You write the algorithm, test it and let me know when it it is done. Once you have got the algorithm to work, and verified it on some test data, we'll switch to Angela Rayner's proposal. (You can hire someone if your BasicPlus is not up to it).DecrepitJohnL said:
The process as it currently exists can be automated. If you want a human to judge the handful of applicants who lost a parent in exam-week, then the computer can filter out just those applicants (one or two at most, surely, for most courses) for the admissions tutor to consider, but do not suppose that would be any fairer; it would, however, be quick because the tutor would not have to scour the obituaries in a thousand local papers for the six months since early applications, as doesn't happen now, or even wait for a phone call from a concerned headteacher.YBarddCwsc said:
Write the algorithm then. (You come across as someone who once wrote a bad program in Basic Plus on a Vax sometime in 1985).DecrepitJohnL said:
The tech nerds can include a space to enter mitigating factors. (And as a side-effect, after a few years there would be enough accumulated data to judge the size of these effects on performance, just as we'd know if studying Shakespeare through A-level drama or A-level English was a better predictor.)
In fact, your algorithm is not just limited to University admission. No-one need ever waste time on filling any vacancy ever again -- we just use DecrepitJohnL's magic back box. It is a very valuable piece of software.
When your algorithm is ready and tested, we can implement Angela Rayner's proposal.
The advantage for you is that you will now become a hugely wealthy billionaire because you will have an extremely valuable piece of software that has multitudinous applications (not just University applications).
Hell, instead of the crappy selection of Labour MPs that gives us Jared O'Mara & Fiona Onansanya, we can now use your the super-slick DecrepitJohnL algorithm to process the applicants. Human intervention not needed, just those neural networks buzzing away.
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If you think it will be a fairer a way to do University admissions, go ahead. It smells a little of those huge, sexy software projects that New Labour thought were so cool.DecrepitJohnL said:
Do you have any serious objection? I expect whoever does write the algorithm will be cleverer than me, perhaps nearly as clever as you, and as already pointed out, as years go by there will be actual data. Oh, and some companies already use algorithms to filter job applications, and don't get me started on match.com, Tinder and Grindr.
Do you remember the abandoned NHS IT patient record project that cost 10 billion? I think it holds the record for the biggest IT failure so far seen?
But, no-one ever gets hauled to prison for writing crappy code and selling it to the Government.
So, you'll be fine ... and rich ... and have helped deliver a "fair" University admission system.0 -
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.0 -
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I am biggly red on Bernie and I am at the moment comfortable with that.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.0 -
It is the Brexit Benefit - stopping forriners coming here and spending their moneyanothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
(My new policy is to change to diametrically opposite positions every 10 minutes just like our political masters)
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Pete Buttigieg is the only person of interest to me in American politics. I wonder if he worked for a while driving a limousine for a family of cheap green retractables, whereupon he was taken away, locked up, wrote a book, and was finally sent into tax exile, which is the usual fate reserved for those who are determined to make a fool of themselves in public.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.
The name change is not really that good a disguise
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What price have you dug out on him at if I may ask ?rottenborough said:
I am biggly red on Bernie and I am at the moment comfortable with that.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.0 -
Except that he is also to some extent (and counterintuitively) fishing in the same pool as Biden. And he hasn't, recently.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.0 -
I was very upset about the cancellation of the NHS IT project. It was being suggested to me that I could get a part-time testing the systems from my profession's point of view in Bangalore and I was quite looking forward to it. I could cope with a British winter in Bangalore.YBarddCwsc said:
If you think it will be a fairer a way to do University admissions, go ahead. It smells a little of those huge, sexy software projects that New Labour thought were so cool.DecrepitJohnL said:
Do you have any serious objection? I expect whoever does write the algorithm will be cleverer than me, perhaps nearly as clever as you, and as already pointed out, as years go by there will be actual data. Oh, and some companies already use algorithms to filter job applications, and don't get me started on match.com, Tinder and Grindr.
Do you remember the abandoned NHS IT patient record project that cost 10 billion? I think it holds the record for the biggest IT failure so far seen?
But, no-one ever gets hauled to prison for writing crappy code and selling it to the Government.
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The alternate view is that it's just making him look a mouthy pill.Scott_P said:0 -
Not everyone in NI is proud to be British. Some are proud to be Irish. EU membership and the GFA allow the fudge to exist that British/Irish are not that important since it is all EU anyway.The_Taxman said:
I dont support Brexit but am glad that somebody is proud to be British! It feels like Brexiteers want out of the EU and dont mind if the UK dissentigrates as well. Both are wrong and I have taken the time to visit NI as it might not be in the UK much longer...AlastairMeeks said:
My partner celebrated his 40th birthday just after the 2005 election. He did so at a hotel in Northern Ireland. One of our friends, who had not visited Northern Ireland before, was from Kenya. She surveyed all the posters and flags, and announced: "I like this place, they take their politics seriously." The rest of us just looked at her.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
I'm afraid your vexillological comment immediately brought that to mind.
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Markets dire again today0
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Remember that you also need to spend vast amounts of money protecting yourself against disasters that are not going to happen - it's worth spending at least £6bn to prepare for eventualities that are only a million to one chance.Beibheirli_C said:
It is the Brexit Benefit - stopping forriners coming here and spending their moneyanothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
(My new policy is to change to diametrically opposite positions every 10 minutes just like our political masters)0 -
The fudge was getting mouldy - Brexit is an excellent time to revaluate the situation.Beibheirli_C said:
Not everyone in NI is proud to be British. Some are proud to be Irish. EU membership and the GFA allow the fudge to exist that British/Irish are not that important since it is all EU anyway.The_Taxman said:
I dont support Brexit but am glad that somebody is proud to be British! It feels like Brexiteers want out of the EU and dont mind if the UK dissentigrates as well. Both are wrong and I have taken the time to visit NI as it might not be in the UK much longer...AlastairMeeks said:
My partner celebrated his 40th birthday just after the 2005 election. He did so at a hotel in Northern Ireland. One of our friends, who had not visited Northern Ireland before, was from Kenya. She surveyed all the posters and flags, and announced: "I like this place, they take their politics seriously." The rest of us just looked at her.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
I'm afraid your vexillological comment immediately brought that to mind.
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I think it's 98 overs. It was for the Ireland test.Pulpstar said:
Does that mean there should be 100 overs per day (Obviously they'll go too slowly to get them all in, but in theory should there be ?)CatMan said:Looking at the rain radar, it's going to be an official 4 day test match
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I've seen a report recently that says London is down by 750,000 visits this year but I can't find a link.rcs1000 said:
Those figures are rather old (March), but still kind of disturbing. In the latest month on which data is available, foreign tourist spend was down 8% year-over-year.anothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
If the World Economic Slowdown (WES) continues, then tourism is going to be hit hard everywhere.
(Which is not going to be good for Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. Or Mexico.)0 -
Sorry - I spent a lot shopping recently so I am a bit short. Can you lend me a few billion until Xmas?anothernick said:
Remember that you also need to spend vast amounts of money protecting yourself against disasters that are not going to happen - it's worth spending at least £6bn to prepare for eventualities that are only a million to one chance.Beibheirli_C said:
It is the Brexit Benefit - stopping forriners coming here and spending their moneyanothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
(My new policy is to change to diametrically opposite positions every 10 minutes just like our political masters)0 -
Did that round trip with 2 Italians around 1998. We hired a car last minute: relative to GB at the time there seemed to be surprisingly little in security checks to sign the car out. As designated driver on return,, I parked outside that National Trust pub just a lfew hundred yards down from the Europa. By evening's end it was the only car on the whole street, at which I had a significant "holy shit" moment, imagining I had narrowly missed having the hire car somehow destroyed in a controlled explosion.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
Dura Ace probably has a far hairier story, but that was quite enough for me!0 -
I do not think you can get a British winter in BangaloreOldKingCole said:... I could cope with a British winter in Bangalore.
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No but I think the Saj has got some to spare - he just has to shake one of his magic money trees.Beibheirli_C said:
Sorry - I spent a lot shopping recently so I am a bit short. Can you lend me a few billion until Xmas?anothernick said:
Remember that you also need to spend vast amounts of money protecting yourself against disasters that are not going to happen - it's worth spending at least £6bn to prepare for eventualities that are only a million to one chance.Beibheirli_C said:
It is the Brexit Benefit - stopping forriners coming here and spending their moneyanothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
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But how much of that 8% has been made up by domestic staycations rather than going abroad?rcs1000 said:
Those figures are rather old (March), but still kind of disturbing. In the latest month on which data is available, foreign tourist spend was down 8% year-over-year.anothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
If the World Economic Slowdown (WES) continues, then tourism is going to be hit hard everywhere.
(Which is not going to be good for Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. Or Mexico.)0 -
"£1 any bowl" sounds OK to me.malcolmg said:Markets dire again today
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Interesting to see Tories taking a quarter of the Brexit Party vote, rather than Brexit Party going up too as we have seen recently.rottenborough said:
Another poll to trouble Labour about the prospects of an autumn election.0 -
That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?0
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Yorkshire Party surge!Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
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Not +3 surely. It does seem to have gone astray thoughMorris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
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That's gonna be some pair of shoes.....Beibheirli_C said:
Sorry - I spent a lot shopping recently so I am a bit short. Can you lend me a few billion until Xmas?anothernick said:
Remember that you also need to spend vast amounts of money protecting yourself against disasters that are not going to happen - it's worth spending at least £6bn to prepare for eventualities that are only a million to one chance.Beibheirli_C said:
It is the Brexit Benefit - stopping forriners coming here and spending their moneyanothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
(My new policy is to change to diametrically opposite positions every 10 minutes just like our political masters)0 -
UKIP maybe ?Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
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No idea - is there any evidence that staycations are up this year? You might expect that given the dire state of the £ but I've not seen any data.MarqueeMark said:
But how much of that 8% has been made up by domestic staycations rather than going abroad?rcs1000 said:
Those figures are rather old (March), but still kind of disturbing. In the latest month on which data is available, foreign tourist spend was down 8% year-over-year.anothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
If the World Economic Slowdown (WES) continues, then tourism is going to be hit hard everywhere.
(Which is not going to be good for Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. Or Mexico.)0 -
If the LibDems can find it down the back of the sofa, they are level with Labour.....JBriskinindyref2 said:
Not +3 surely. It does seem to have gone astray thoughMorris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
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It's UKIP I think - new leader bounce-Morris_Dancer said:That poll has the Con/BP changes balancing but 3 points left to be accounted for in the Lab/LD balance. More support for the SNP?
https://www.survation.com/general-election-voting-intention-and-brexit-preferences-poll/0 -
Fair enough! I like the UK proud areas personally. But it is such a shame NI might suffer again due to Brexit...Beibheirli_C said:
Not everyone in NI is proud to be British. Some are proud to be Irish. EU membership and the GFA allow the fudge to exist that British/Irish are not that important since it is all EU anyway.The_Taxman said:
I dont support Brexit but am glad that somebody is proud to be British! It feels like Brexiteers want out of the EU and dont mind if the UK dissentigrates as well. Both are wrong and I have taken the time to visit NI as it might not be in the UK much longer...AlastairMeeks said:
My partner celebrated his 40th birthday just after the 2005 election. He did so at a hotel in Northern Ireland. One of our friends, who had not visited Northern Ireland before, was from Kenya. She surveyed all the posters and flags, and announced: "I like this place, they take their politics seriously." The rest of us just looked at her.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
I'm afraid your vexillological comment immediately brought that to mind.
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If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
Oh I don't know.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Personally I just class Brexit Party as a fun vote for '19 Euros - can see them collapsing.0 -
Guido - Tories hiring for the election:
https://order-order.com/2019/08/14/tory-associations-begin-hiring-general-election/0 -
Of course...MarqueeMark said:
That's gonna be some pair of shoes.....Beibheirli_C said:
Sorry - I spent a lot shopping recently so I am a bit short. Can you lend me a few billion until Xmas?anothernick said:
Remember that you also need to spend vast amounts of money protecting yourself against disasters that are not going to happen - it's worth spending at least £6bn to prepare for eventualities that are only a million to one chance.Beibheirli_C said:
It is the Brexit Benefit - stopping forriners coming here and spending their moneyanothernick said:
Actually I think the figures for tourists in the UK this year are down, the low level of the £ notwithstanding. Foreigners seem to have decided that the UK doesn't like them - can't think where they got that idea.Beibheirli_C said:
Of course - Brexit is making the Pound slump so foreign currencies buy more Pounds.Currystardog said:Anecdote, I reckon tourism must be doing well in London, my friend has taken her son to London today and cannot do anything as the standard tourist sites are sold out or full up.
It is the Brexit Benefit - lots of forriners coming here and stopping the residents from using the facilities
https://www.visitbritain.org/latest-monthly-data-1
(My new policy is to change to diametrically opposite positions every 10 minutes just like our political masters) 0 -
I actually prefer public transport as you can listen into conversation in NI plus people in the mainland. I have heard only Anti-brexit talk in. England and now NI! Not everybody thinks Brexit is a good idea!Pro_Rata said:
Did that round trip with 2 Italians around 1998. We hired a car last minute: relative to GB at the time there seemed to be surprisingly little in security checks to sign the car out. As designated driver on return,, I parked outside that National Trust pub just a lfew hundred yards down from the Europa. By evening's end it was the only car on the whole street, at which I had a significant "holy shit" moment, imagining I had narrowly missed having the hire car somehow destroyed in a controlled explosion.The_Taxman said:I am just in Northern Ireland for a short holiday. I was surprised outside Belfast International Airport at an English bloke who looked shit scared when he asked for information on buses! He came to he right person as i have strategically planned my break in NI to include the cheapest travel to Giants Causeway and Londonderry and back to Belfast in a day! I like NI it reminds me of Kent, Sussex and the like. It is interesting seeing the UK and Irish flags around NI. It is nice to see a place proud of the Uk rather than discussing exit. So far so good! I hope NI and Scotland choose to stay in the UK despite Brexit!
Dura Ace probably has a far hairier story, but that was quite enough for me!0 -
They'll be the hardest to convince that Boris is serious. But if he does, and they come over in a lump....bloodbath for Labour.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
And a fair number of them are ex-Labour voters who would not vote Tory in any circumstances.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:1 -
I remember Gordon Brown doing likewise in 2007! Sometimes PM's realise it is better not to experience the rath of electors! Boris is chicken unless he calls an election!MarqueeMark said:Guido - Tories hiring for the election:
https://order-order.com/2019/08/14/tory-associations-begin-hiring-general-election/
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If the only way he can convince them he's serious is to commit political suicide, it's a moot point.MarqueeMark said:
They'll be the hardest to convince that Boris is serious. But if he does, and they come over in a lump....bloodbath for Labour.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:0 -
Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anywayScott_P said:0 -
The trouble with policing advertising is it's very much like trying to police jokes. In other words, context and intent are important, but they're entirely down to opinion and taste.kinabalu said:
Just leave it to the market in other words?philiph said:The policing of the ad industry should come from the target audience. If they are offended / don't like the advert, then don't buy the product. Aren't we advanced enough to make our own minds up?
I would not be comfortable with that. I can easily imagine an ad that was toxic but superbly made and effective, which for the general good should not be granted mainstream release.
I think it's good to have some self-regulation.
An ad that ran today with flagrantly 1950s housewife doing the chores type stereotyping wouldn't fly. It wouldn't need regulations because any company mad enough to run it would face an enormous and immediate backlash from consumers.
But what about an ad featuring a stereotypical 1950s housewife scenario that was deliberately designed to subvert, to poke fun of the trope?
It portrays sexism, but in a way designed to make fun of it. The question of whether or not it is acceptable then becomes much more complex.
Or consider the example of that "are you beach body ready" ad. Some people consider it sexist. At the same time you have people like Kylie Jenner, Emily Ratajakowski etc, promoting products in the same manner but being lauded for being empowering. So can an ad that objectifies women be sexist if it was written by a woman who considers such a use of the female body empowering?
De gustibus non est disputandum...
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Why's speaker Pelosi getting so mouthy over the island of Ireland - it's got fuck all to do with the yanks (unless they're gonna start funding the IRA again of course)HYUFD said:
Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anywayScott_P said:1 -
If the government does not change, there are significant procedural issues that could prevent a majority in parliament from passing primary legislation in time to mandate an extension (or revocation). There may well be a majority of members of parliament against no deal, but that does not matter unless the majority can be converted into effective action.
https://www.ft.com/content/b58491f8-be8c-11e9-b350-db00d509634e
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Ireland is just a stick to beat Trump withJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why's speaker Pelosi getting so mouthy over the island of Ireland - it's got fuck all to do with the yanks (unless they're gonna start funding the IRA again of course)HYUFD said:
Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anywayScott_P said:1 -
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
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However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.0 -
Enough with the GFA already.
It's time for a BNA (Burns Night Agreement)
Same idea - an admission that divisive indyref1 has caused great division in Scotland - and a guarantee that democracy must prevail (in this case shutting down the Scottish Parliament)0 -
I'm sure he has. Theres quite a lot of people in favour of a deal in theory but who reject the one on offer and pretend theres time for something brand new, since they usually reject mere tweaks. Its posturing, nothing more .Beibheirli_C said:
Delusional. Has he not grasped that we cannot negotiate a new deal in 2 months?Scott_P said:0 -
Such fresh new analysis!CarlottaVance said:If the government does not change, there are significant procedural issues that could prevent a majority in parliament from passing primary legislation in time to mandate an extension (or revocation). There may well be a majority of members of parliament against no deal, but that does not matter unless the majority can be converted into effective action.
https://www.ft.com/content/b58491f8-be8c-11e9-b350-db00d509634e0 -
True; there's a certain type of person who wants a geriatric incontinent candidate to face Trump.Nigelb said:
Except that he is also to some extent (and counterintuitively) fishing in the same pool as Biden. And he hasn't, recently.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.0 -
Yes, but how much? Where they stand and how much they get could swing the outcome of the election with just a few percent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Oh I don't know.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Personally I just class Brexit Party as a fun vote for '19 Euros - can see them collapsing.0 -
Biden is showing his age a hell of a lot more than Bernie.rcs1000 said:
True; there's a certain type of person who wants a geriatric incontinent candidate to face Trump.Nigelb said:
Except that he is also to some extent (and counterintuitively) fishing in the same pool as Biden. And he hasn't, recently.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.
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If the UK-US trade deal includes full access* for US agcricultural produce, then it will pass the US House, irrespective of what Speaker Pelosi says, as Democrats in Iowa and other farming states will not vote against it.Alanbrooke said:
Ireland is just a stick to beat Trump withJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why's speaker Pelosi getting so mouthy over the island of Ireland - it's got fuck all to do with the yanks (unless they're gonna start funding the IRA again of course)HYUFD said:
Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anywayScott_P said:
But if the UK-US trade deal includes full access* for US agricultural produce, then it will not pass the House of Commons as Tory MPs from farming seats will not vote for it.
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Well UKIP peaked at 13pc in GE and Dave still got his majority so maybe not as consequential as you thinkkle4 said:
Yes, but how much? Where they stand and how much they get could swing the outcome of the election with just a few percent.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Oh I don't know.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Personally I just class Brexit Party as a fun vote for '19 Euros - can see them collapsing.0 -
When people talk about Boris Johnson being serious, it always makes me think of the old Tommy Cooper joke:MarqueeMark said:
They'll be the hardest to convince that Boris is serious. But if he does, and they come over in a lump....bloodbath for Labour.eek said:
If Boris hasn't got that 15% of Brexit votes now, he definitely isn't going to get them when his plans start falling apart.JBriskinindyref2 said:
"There were these two cannibals eating a clown. One of them says to the other, 'Does this taste funny to you?'"0 -
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
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However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
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Also according to 270towin, he's third in Iowa, 4% below Warren. Where do you get fourth?Stereotomy said:
Biden is showing his age a hell of a lot more than Bernie.rcs1000 said:
True; there's a certain type of person who wants a geriatric incontinent candidate to face Trump.Nigelb said:
Except that he is also to some extent (and counterintuitively) fishing in the same pool as Biden. And he hasn't, recently.rcs1000 said:
But in Iowa he's fourth and just a smidgen above Buttigieg.Nigelb said:Bernie showing a little upward movement in the latest polls (National & S Carolina).
The big issue for Bernie is that he's largely fishing in the same pool as Elizabeth Warren, and she's been a lot more impressive than he has.
Out of interest what makes you say Warren has been more impressive?0 -
The Democrats from the Kennedys down have always been sympathetic to Sinn Fein and a united Ireland and certainly are anti a hard border in IrelandJBriskinindyref2 said:
Why's speaker Pelosi getting so mouthy over the island of Ireland - it's got fuck all to do with the yanks (unless they're gonna start funding the IRA again of course)HYUFD said:
Unless the Republicans regain the House of Representatives next November, though Boris has said he will not impose a hard border in Ireland anywayScott_P said:0 -
Excellent point. I doubt the remainiacs will care though - they'll keep shouting as usualHYUFD said:
Actually the only Brexit solution to have got a majority in the Commons is not May's Withdrawal Agreement as is, not Norway Plus, not Deal plus Customs Union, not EUref2 and not No Deal (all of which were voted down by MPs) but the Brady amendment ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop.kle4 said:
Which cannot be met. It's quite transparent and irritating as they are going for a GE while pretending that is not the intention.Mysticrose said:
I am increasingly confident that Brexit will not be 'in the bag' this autumnMarqueeMark said:An October/November election with Brexit in the bag, one way or another, leaves the following:
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However much HYUFD jumps up and down, Parliament isn't going to let it happen. I suspect Cummings & Co know this too and they're deliberately stoking the fire, preparing for an Us vs Them vote. (Which is the kind of language Cummings speaks.)
The only way an Oct 31st Brexit would have occurred was a modified May deal. Johnson has chosen to throw that out the window and set down his own red lines.
Thus Boris is trying to get the only Deal Parliament will support in its current form0 -
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