We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997. Should he have had a coin ?
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997. Should he have had a coin ?
Maybe. Certainly many of his events and policies could as this isn't about an individual it is a nice commemorative message.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is not a message you want to be associated with then so be it.
The coin could have a picture of my mum on it, if it's celebrating the unholy load of old bollocks that is Brexit I will still be defacing every one I come across.
But seriously, surely if this coin nonsense means anything, it must mean that the government's strategy is definitely a pseudo-Trumpian one of shamelessly pandering to what it perceives as its core support, and not giving a damn how much it upsets everyone else.
"Where there is discord, may we exploit it to the utmost for narrow political advantage."
I suppose if Johnson is planning an October election, it could just work for him, given our electoral system.
re "when it is hoped that the three parties will be able to work out which will stand in each of the 30 Welsh constituencies"
Ceredigion seems a huge sticking point in these discussions. Plaid's Ben Lake beat the (sitting) Liberal MP Mark Williams by just 104 votes in 2017, and Mark Williams was chosen in March to be the Liberal PPC for Ceredigion for the next election.
Its possible they might divi up the other 29 seats, but its hard to see either Ben Lake or Mark Williams standing aside for the other.
No, whichever of Plaid or the LDs win Ceredigion will still have an anti Brexit Remainer MP so no need for the Remain Alliance there
It is a period of civil war. REMAINER spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil TORY Empire.
During the battle, Remainer spies managed to steal secret plans to the Tories' ultimate weapon, the BORIS BOUNCER, an armored space station with enough power to knock up an entire parliamentary seat.
Pursued by the Tories' sinister agents, Princess Heidi Jo races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her party and restore freedom to the Continent....
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997. Should he have had a coin ?
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997. Should he have had a coin ?
Maybe. Certainly many of his events and policies could as this isn't about an individual it is a nice commemorative message.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is not a message you want to be associated with then so be it.
The coin could have a picture of my mum on it, if it's celebrating the unholy load of old bollocks that is Brexit I will still be defacing every one I come across.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters to the Brexit Party but Corbyn Labour is still leaking voters to the LDs
Bozo has caused a cascade of voters switching from Tory to LibDem. Plus more than a trickle of party members from the One Nation wing jumping ship.
You might see this as a good thing.
No, Yougov this week had Boris retaining 68% of the 2017 Tory vote, with 20% going to the Brexit Party and 9% to the LDs.
Corbyn is only retaining 53% of the 2017 Labour vote in the same poll
Even in that poll you will have to put the LDs and the Greens together with a little sprinkling from Labour in Tory seats. That tells me the Unite to Remain will also be around 30%.
Splitting the anti Tory vote with Labour under FPTP and ensuring the Tories win as they are on 31% nationwide in the same poll.
If the Remain alliance is wise it will will only stand against pro-Brexit Tories and Labour MPs. If they do that their impact could be considerably greater than you expect
It won't be in Labour v Tory marginal seats, it will just let the Tories win by splitting the centre left anti Tory vote unless the LDs get a clear lead over Labour in the national polls as the main centre left alternative to the Tories.
The Remain Alliance and LDs are quite clear they will not do any pacts with Labour while Corbyn is leader so that means they will stand a LD or Green candidate in every seat where the Tories and Labour comprised the top 2 parties in 2017, they will only ensure a Green candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v LD marginal where the LDs are better placed and a LD candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v Green or Plaid seat where the Greens or Plaid are better placed
Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters
I doubt that, given the age profile of Conservative party members.
If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
Don't think the LDs should be collaborating with nationalists. If they keep going at this rate they won't have any ideology left.
I know some of you may be worried about where my GE vote will go. Well Ms Brisk is nearly at the age where you're officially allowed to vote tory so I might follow.
UK OK
SNP will not dirty their hands by doing any deal with the lying cheating Lib Dems.
re "when it is hoped that the three parties will be able to work out which will stand in each of the 30 Welsh constituencies"
Ceredigion seems a huge sticking point in these discussions. Plaid's Ben Lake beat the (sitting) Liberal MP Mark Williams by just 104 votes in 2017, and Mark Williams was chosen in March to be the Liberal PPC for Ceredigion for the next election.
Its possible they might divi up the other 29 seats, but its hard to see either Ben Lake or Mark Williams standing aside for the other.
It's not 'hard' to see it. It's 'impossible.'
However, since one of the two will win it doesn't matter.
To be candid, I'm struggling to think of any seats in Wales where it might make a difference. Anglesey possibly, but that's a funny seat and doesn't conform to classic norms. Cardiff Central might be a better bet, but that's a Lib Dem target. The problem is that there is only Anglesey where Plaid have any chance of gaining anything and in that seat the LD vote is negligible, while in Montgomeryshire or Cardiff Central Plaid's endorsement would make no difference whatsoever.
Very rural Welsh seats are very difficult to read - as we have just seen with Brecon & Radnor. The personality of the candidate appears to count for far more than elsewhere. Glyn Davies is standing down and it remains to be seen how strong his personal vote has become . If the Tories were to fall back to the 40% or so polled in 2010 when Davies ousted Opik , the seat would become very competitive , and in those circumstances Plaid's 5% - 8% could prove crucial. In 2017 there was a big jump in the Labour vote there , and were that to be reversed LibDem prospects could be quite good.
A pact between the LDs and the Greens in Rees-Mogg's seat should certainly assure the pro-Remain unity candidate of a solid third place, because those two parties notched up all of 10.6% between them at the last election.
Sometimes the uselessness of the Remainers is almost as maddening as the stupidity of the Leavers.
Lib Dems did well in Nth Somerset in the Locals and in Euros as I recall.
Perhaps they might break through into second place, but really suggesting they could win from third place and 8.3% is not good expectation management.
That was then when the LDs finished on 7%. They are now on 20% while the Tories have slipped 13%. LAB is now an irrelevance.
In terms of swing from the Tories since 2017, the Lib Dems would need about 22.6%. The 13% you quote doesn't come close.
A pact between the LDs and the Greens in Rees-Mogg's seat should certainly assure the pro-Remain unity candidate of a solid third place, because those two parties notched up all of 10.6% between them at the last election.
Sometimes the uselessness of the Remainers is almost as maddening as the stupidity of the Leavers.
Lib Dems did well in Nth Somerset in the Locals and in Euros as I recall.
Perhaps they might break through into second place, but really suggesting they could win from third place and 8.3% is not good expectation management.
That was then when the LDs finished on 7%. They are now on 20% while the Tories have slipped 13%. LAB is now an irrelevance.
But in 2010 when the LibDems polled 23% in the wake of Cleggmania , Labour was the main rival to JRM losing by less than 5,000 votes. Had the seat existed on current boundaries, it would have been safely Labour in 1997 and 2001 - and probably narrowly so in 2005.
If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
It has come to our attention at Brisky Towers that some English comrades are not fully on board the switch from scotch to bourbon to show solidarity with the great British Union of ours and to stop the Scottish Groat in its tracks.
Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters to the Brexit Party but Corbyn Labour is still leaking voters to the LDs
Bozo has caused a cascade of voters switching from Tory to LibDem. Plus more than a trickle of party members from the One Nation wing jumping ship.
You might see this as a good thing.
No, Yougov this week had Boris retaining 68% of the 2017 Tory vote, with 20% going to the Brexit Party and 9% to the LDs.
Corbyn is only retaining 53% of the 2017 Labour vote in the same poll
Even in that poll you will have to put the LDs and the Greens together with a little sprinkling from Labour in Tory seats. That tells me the Unite to Remain will also be around 30%.
Splitting the anti Tory vote with Labour under FPTP and ensuring the Tories win as they are on 31% nationwide in the same poll.
If the Remain alliance is wise it will will only stand against pro-Brexit Tories and Labour MPs. If they do that their impact could be considerably greater than you expect
It won't be in Labour v Tory marginal seats, it will just let the Tories win by splitting the centre left anti Tory vote unless the LDs get a clear lead over Labour in the national polls as the main centre left alternative to the Tories.
The Remain Alliance and LDs are quite clear they will not do any pacts with Labour while Corbyn is leader so that means they will stand a LD or Green candidate in every seat where the Tories and Labour comprised the top 2 parties in 2017, they will only ensure a Green candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v LD marginal where the LDs are better placed and a LD candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v Green or Plaid seat where the Greens or Plaid are better placed
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
If society and institutions are to be reshaped in the image of "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" then I am OK with that.
Considering the Leavers' agreed line is that No Deal will screw the EU just as much, if not more, than us, then the 'prosperity and friendship with all nations' bit is downright Orwellian.
We're keeping the door open to a deal, all they need to do is drop the backstop.
Considering there is no backstop if there is no deal then its not an unreasonable request.
Insisting on no deal [and thus no backstop] rather than a deal minus the backstop is the EU just cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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It was an attempt to respond to your pseudo trumpism comment where it’s is unfortunate that we have to now have to measure our politicians on a trump like scale which to me implies we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. I was not implying that you had ‘rich paymasters’ just allowing my frustration to run away with itself because I feel this whole situation has been engineered for their own financial benefit. Sorry if it went a bit wrong because I actually agree with you
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.
Oh - and as for "ignoring your long reply" - please do bear in mind that some of us don't spend our whole life glued to this website, as it seems you do.
If you really posted a long reply explaining yet again why a straw man argument of your own invention was invalid, then it really just bears out what I've just said. You talk nonsense, and when someone points out it's nonsense, you just generate several tons more of the stuff to try to cover it up.
re "when it is hoped that the three parties will be able to work out which will stand in each of the 30 Welsh constituencies"
Ceredigion seems a huge sticking point in these discussions. Plaid's Ben Lake beat the (sitting) Liberal MP Mark Williams by just 104 votes in 2017, and Mark Williams was chosen in March to be the Liberal PPC for Ceredigion for the next election.
Its possible they might divi up the other 29 seats, but its hard to see either Ben Lake or Mark Williams standing aside for the other.
It's not 'hard' to see it. It's 'impossible.'
However, since one of the two will win it doesn't matter.
To be candid, I'm struggling to think of any seats in Wales where it might make a difference. Anglesey possibly, but that's a funny seat and doesn't conform to classic norms. Cardiff Central might be a better bet, but that's a Lib Dem target. The problem is that there is only Anglesey where Plaid have any chance of gaining anything and in that seat the LD vote is negligible, while in Montgomeryshire or Cardiff Central Plaid's endorsement would make no difference whatsoever.
Very rural Welsh seats are very difficult to read - as we have just seen with Brecon & Radnor. The personality of the candidate appears to count for far more than elsewhere. Glyn Davies is standing down and it remains to be seen how strong his personal vote has become . If the Tories were to fall back to the 40% or so polled in 2010 when Davies ousted Opik , the seat would become very competitive , and in those circumstances Plaid's 5% - 8% could prove crucial. In 2017 there was a big jump in the Labour vote there , and were that to be reversed LibDem prospects could be quite good.
40% isn't implausible as a floor in Montgomery given that's roughly the figure they get in the comparable Assembly seat.
But Plaid and the Liberal Democrats together are still a long way short of that. Labour would need to lose 2/3 of their voters as well. Not impossible given they polled about 5% in 2015 but that seems a bit unlikely.
Edit - it is also worth pointing out at this moment there is no Liberal Democrat candidate. The incumbent candidate did a rat run has just been elected as an MP. So we are talking many hypotheticals here.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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It was an attempt to respond to your pseudo trumpism comment where it’s is unfortunate that we have to now have to measure our politicians on a trump like scale which to me implies we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. I was not implying that you had ‘rich paymasters’ just allowing my frustration to run away with itself because I feel this whole situation has been engineered for their own financial benefit. Sorry if it went a bit wrong because I actually agree with you
I see (I think). But I wasn't using "pseudo-Trumpian" as a random insult. I really think it's the same strategy that Trump is following - say what you think your perceived core support wants to hear, and don't bother about offending anyone else.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
Simple question. How much has brexit cost you since the day of the referendum? Have you had to pay anything for your principals, will you have to in the future?
Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters to the Brexit Party but Corbyn Labour is still leaking voters to the LDs
Bozo has caused a cascade of voters switching from Tory to LibDem. Plus more than a trickle of party members from the One Nation wing jumping ship.
You might see this as a good thing.
No, Yougov this week had Boris retaining 68% of the 2017 Tory vote, with 20% going to the Brexit Party and 9% to the LDs.
Corbyn is only retaining 53% of the 2017 Labour vote in the same poll
Even in that poll you will have to put the LDs and the Greens together with a little sprinkling from Labour in Tory seats. That tells me the Unite to Remain will also be around 30%.
Splitting the anti Tory vote with Labour under FPTP and ensuring the Tories win as they are on 31% nationwide in the same poll.
If the Remain alliance is wise it will will only stand against pro-Brexit Tories and Labour MPs. If they do that their impact could be considerably greater than you expect
It won't be in Labour v Tory marginal seats, it will just let the Tories win by splitting the centre left
The Remain Alliance and LDs are quite clear they will not do any pacts with Labour while Corbyn is leader so that means they will stand a LD or Green candidate in every seat where the Tories and Labour comprised the top 2 parties in 2017, they will only ensure a Green candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v LD marginal where the LDs are better placed and a LD candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v Green or Plaid seat where the Greens or Plaid are better placed
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
Proper little internet tough guy aren't you.
No doubt sat in your underpants in a bedsit under a bare lightbulb.
If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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It was an attempt to respond to your pseudo trumpism comment where it’s is unfortunate that we have to now have to measure our politicians on a trump like scale which to me implies we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. I was not implying that you had ‘rich paymasters’ just allowing my frustration to run away with itself because I feel this whole situation has been engineered for their own financial benefit. Sorry if it went a bit wrong because I actually agree with you
I see (I think). But I wasn't using "pseudo-Trumpian" as a random insult. I really think it's the same strategy that Trump is following - say what you think your perceived core support wants to hear, and don't bother about offending anyone else.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
If one were a North Korean dissident one might object to the term Democratic People's Republic of North Korea without being against the wider principles of democracy, the people or republics. I think a lot of us would feel a peaceful, prosperous, friendly Brexit is a similarly rankling and absurdly, knowingly dishonest juxtaposition.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
The coin is Brexit in microcosm - stupid, dishonest, a pointless waste of time. The 48% have repeatedly been told "you lost, suck it up," we have few ways of registering our disgust at this nonsense. It is a bit sad, but it will genuinely make me happy to take a masonry drill to one of these pathetic pieces of currency once in a while, a small futile act of rebellion against all the shite. You can make us endure Brexit, but we will never tire of telling you how crap it is. Suck it up!
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
If one were a North Korean dissident one might object to the term Democratic People's Republic of North Korea without being against the wider principles of democracy, the people or republics. I think a lot of us would feel a peaceful, prosperous, friendly Brexit is a similarly rankling and absurdly, knowingly dishonest juxtaposition.
Yes, there's a lot of remainacs about - if they don't like the "juxtapose" they've still got time to fuck off to continental Europe. Hurry though, you're running out of time.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
You cant do it online?
Certainly not. What century do you think this is?
Maybe David Davis can sort it out.
To misquote Ronald Reagan, the most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm David Davis and I'm here to help.'
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
The coin is Brexit in microcosm - stupid, dishonest, a pointless waste of time. The 48% have repeatedly been told "you lost, suck it up," we have few ways of registering our disgust at this nonsense. It is a bit sad, but it will genuinely make me happy to take a masonry drill to one of these pathetic pieces of currency once in a while, a small futile act of rebellion against all the shite. You can make us endure Brexit, but we will never tire of telling you how crap it is. Suck it up!
Win/win. If that's going to genuinely make you happy then its a good thing we are getting these coins. Its giving you an outlet for your frustrations and making you genuinely happy.
Well my vote at a possible imminent GE would be for whoever has the best chance of avoiding Brexit. After this is achieved, if indeed it can be, then normal service will be resumed, and then I will choose whoever best represents my views. I am a bit worried I will be out of the UK from mid October to mid November,getting my annual adrenaline fix in the the Himalaya with very little internet or mobile, hope I can get back to the UK OK.
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.
Oh - and as for "ignoring your long reply" - please do bear in mind that some of us don't spend our whole life glued to this website, as it seems you do.
If you really posted a long reply explaining yet again why a straw man argument of your own invention was invalid, then it really just bears out what I've just said. You talk nonsense, and when someone points out it's nonsense, you just generate several tons more of the stuff to try to cover it up.
I'm not glued to this website, I can go hours or days not logging on. This site can get quite addictive though, I doubt I'm the only person here who finds it quite addictive.
I see (I think). But I wasn't using "pseudo-Trumpian" as a random insult. I really think it's the same strategy that Trump is following - say what you think your perceived core support wants to hear, and don't bother about offending anyone else.
Nobody in modern western democratic politics has the particular combination of disgusting personality and character traits that are brought together in the organism we know as Donald Trump. He is unique and just as Hitler should not be compared with anyone else, nor should Trump. Trump is like Hitler in this respect.
And I'll just say that I'm off now to do something more worthwhile.
So if Philip is about to post another lengthy critique of his own straw man arguments, he mustn't get upset if I don't respond.
I didn't critique my own argument, you asked me a question and I replied. You kept repeating the question, I kept replying. Not my fault if you act dumb or don't understand the answer.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.
The coin is Brexit in microcosm - stupid, dishonest, a pointless waste of time. The 48% have repeatedly been told "you lost, suck it up," we have few ways of registering our disgust at this nonsense. It is a bit sad, but it will genuinely make me happy to take a masonry drill to one of these pathetic pieces of currency once in a while, a small futile act of rebellion against all the shite. You can make us endure Brexit, but we will never tire of telling you how crap it is. Suck it up!
Win/win. If that's going to genuinely make you happy then its a good thing we are getting these coins. Its giving you an outlet for your frustrations and making you genuinely happy.
What's not to like?
This actually makes more sense than most of the things you say.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.
Try using a Telex machine. For some reason all transport orders in my business had to be confirmed by Telex. I can remember a business trip to the US and was amazed at how primitive their mobile phones were, circa 2004.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.
Doesn't surprise me. I'm 37 and I've only seen one in one workplace and it was phased out 14 years ago. Its absurd anyone using it in the 21st century.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.
When I was 27 I'd never used a mobile phone.
When I was 27 mobile phones had only been available in the UK for a year, they were the size of a brick and almost as heavy.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.
When I was 27 I'd never used a mobile phone.
When I was 27 mobile phones had only been available in the UK for a year, they were the size of a brick and almost as heavy.
Still got one of those. Also a first generation digital phone. Use it for teaching about change over time. Slap it down next to my IPhone and get them comparing.
The bit that always bewilders them is the SIM card.
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.
Do you really expect the serried ranks of pb commenters to rise up and launch an intifada on the basis of a nod and wink from me? Get a grip.
A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Presumably those with an antagonistic attitude get banned or shadow banned.
I very much doubt it OGH actively encourages different view points and also defends many I wouldn’t. Very few get banned but although I have been around quietly under one or two guises (memory problems) since 2004 others will know better
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.
Do you really expect the serried ranks of pb commenters to rise up and launch an intifada on the basis of a nod and wink from me? Get a grip.
Sadly, I have seen far too many ideas rise from the cesspit of social media to impact national politics in recent years. I will continue to call out all winks and nods to violence wherever I see them.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
As a Remainer (almost an Ultra-Remainer), I still think we should respect the referendum (as moronic as it was) and leave. The trouble is, Leavers seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that when we do eventually leave the EU, our stay outside will be as short as possible.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.
Do you really expect the serried ranks of pb commenters to rise up and launch an intifada on the basis of a nod and wink from me? Get a grip.
A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Presumably those with an antagonistic attitude get banned or shadow banned.
I very much doubt it OGH actively encourages different view points and also defends many I wouldn’t. Very few get banned but although I have been around quietly under one or two guises (memory problems) since 2004 others will know better
It's best to ignore posts designed to antagonise. Engaging with them only encourages them.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?
Fuck me you’ve lost me there
A common response; I'll go back to the Glemorangie
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
And here we have Exhibit A of a typical remainer.
Yes and bloody proud of it. What have you ever done for the community you live in?
As a Remainer (almost an Ultra-Remainer), I still think we should respect the referendum (as moronic as it was) and leave. The trouble is, Leavers seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that when we do eventually leave the EU, our stay outside will be as short as possible.
If a political party (or coalition) was elected at a future GE on a manifesto of re-joining (with or without a referendum) then I would be jumping from a great height on any leaver trying to thwart it.
Democracy has to be respected in letter AND spirit and if that means accepting something you intensely dislike so be it.
Trying to subvert a huge democratic mandate through nebulous justifications is the action of the ignorant.
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Originally?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?
Fuck me you’ve lost me there
A common response; I'll go back to the Glemorangie
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.
I don't approve of that. If some way could be found to deface the coin with a "Bollocks to Brexit" message and then put it back into circulation - that would be an entirely worthwhile gesture IMO
As a Remainer (almost an Ultra-Remainer), I still think we should respect the referendum (as moronic as it was) and leave. The trouble is, Leavers seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that when we do eventually leave the EU, our stay outside will be as short as possible.
If a political party (or coalition) was elected at a future GE on a manifesto of re-joining (with or without a referendum) then I would be jumping from a great height on any leaver trying to thwart it.
Democracy has to be respected in letter AND spirit and if that means accepting something you intensely dislike so be it.
Trying to subvert a huge democratic mandate through nebulous justifications is the action of the ignorant.
Then let's leave in an orderly careful way which does the least damage and respects that most people (including a lot of Leavers) want a close relationship with Europe, as was promised during the campaign.
Instead we've gone from that to "We need to get out any way possible and screw the consequences". I don't think that's a good strategy if you want to make leaving the EU a success.
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"Where there is discord, may we exploit it to the utmost for narrow political advantage."
I suppose if Johnson is planning an October election, it could just work for him, given our electoral system.
REMAINER spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil TORY Empire.
During the battle, Remainer
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Tories' ultimate
weapon, the BORIS BOUNCER,
an armored space station with
enough power to knock up an
entire parliamentary seat.
Pursued by the Tories' sinister
agents, Princess Heidi Jo
races home aboard her starship,
custodian of the stolen plans that
can save her party and restore
freedom to the Continent....
(Sorry, couldn't resist...)
It has come to our attention at Brisky Towers that some English comrades are not fully on board the switch from scotch to bourbon to show solidarity with the great British Union of ours and to stop the Scottish Groat in its tracks.
A new hashtag has therefore been devised-
#Whiskey4Whisky4indyref2
Any appraisals gratefully received.
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.
Considering there is no backstop if there is no deal then its not an unreasonable request.
Insisting on no deal [and thus no backstop] rather than a deal minus the backstop is the EU just cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
If you really posted a long reply explaining yet again why a straw man argument of your own invention was invalid, then it really just bears out what I've just said. You talk nonsense, and when someone points out it's nonsense, you just generate several tons more of the stuff to try to cover it up.
But Plaid and the Liberal Democrats together are still a long way short of that. Labour would need to lose 2/3 of their voters as well. Not impossible given they polled about 5% in 2015 but that seems a bit unlikely.
Edit - it is also worth pointing out at this moment there is no Liberal Democrat candidate. The incumbent candidate
did a rat runhas just been elected as an MP. So we are talking many hypotheticals here.So if Philip is about to post another lengthy critique of his own straw man arguments, he mustn't get upset if I don't respond.
Pity, because some speak highly of you!
No doubt sat in your underpants in a bedsit under a bare lightbulb.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1160236638183796736?s=20
What's not to like?
I am a bit worried I will be out of the UK from mid October to mid November,getting my annual adrenaline fix in the the Himalaya with very little internet or mobile, hope I can get back to the UK OK.
I can remember a business trip to the US and was amazed at how primitive their mobile phones were, circa 2004.
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=929sn1qMCcM
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
The bit that always bewilders them is the SIM card.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?
And here we have Exhibit A of a typical remainer.
Democracy has to be respected in letter AND spirit and if that means accepting something you intensely dislike so be it.
Trying to subvert a huge democratic mandate through nebulous justifications is the action of the ignorant.
Instead we've gone from that to "We need to get out any way possible and screw the consequences". I don't think that's a good strategy if you want to make leaving the EU a success.
https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1160257854814789633?s=20