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I'll pay you after Brexit, it'll be cheaper.not_on_fire said:
You are Prince Charles and I claim my £5OnlyLivingBoy said:
The coin could have a picture of my mum on it, if it's celebrating the unholy load of old bollocks that is Brexit I will still be defacing every one I come across.Philip_Thompson said:Nigelb said:
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997.Philip_Thompson said:
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.rottenborough said:
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.Philip_Thompson said:
Get over yourself.rottenborough said:
I think I am going to throw up.Scott_P said:
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
Should he have had a coin ?
Maybe. Certainly many of his events and policies could as this isn't about an individual it is a nice commemorative message.Nigelb said:
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997.Philip_Thompson said:
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.rottenborough said:
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.Philip_Thompson said:
Get over yourself.rottenborough said:
I think I am going to throw up.Scott_P said:
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
Should he have had a coin ?
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is not a message you want to be associated with then so be it.0 -
But seriously, surely if this coin nonsense means anything, it must mean that the government's strategy is definitely a pseudo-Trumpian one of shamelessly pandering to what it perceives as its core support, and not giving a damn how much it upsets everyone else.
"Where there is discord, may we exploit it to the utmost for narrow political advantage."
I suppose if Johnson is planning an October election, it could just work for him, given our electoral system.0 -
It is a period of civil war.HYUFD said:
No, whichever of Plaid or the LDs win Ceredigion will still have an anti Brexit Remainer MP so no need for the Remain Alliance therellef said:re "when it is hoped that the three parties will be able to work out which will stand in each of the 30 Welsh constituencies"
Ceredigion seems a huge sticking point in these discussions.
Plaid's Ben Lake beat the (sitting) Liberal MP Mark Williams by just 104 votes in 2017, and Mark Williams was chosen in March to be the Liberal PPC for Ceredigion for the next election.
Its possible they might divi up the other 29 seats, but its hard to see either Ben Lake or Mark Williams standing aside for the other.
REMAINER spaceships, striking
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their first victory against
the evil TORY Empire.
During the battle, Remainer
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Tories' ultimate
weapon, the BORIS BOUNCER,
an armored space station with
enough power to knock up an
entire parliamentary seat.
Pursued by the Tories' sinister
agents, Princess Heidi Jo
races home aboard her starship,
custodian of the stolen plans that
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Your evasion is noted.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I'll pay you after Brexit, it'll be cheaper.not_on_fire said:
You are Prince Charles and I claim my £5OnlyLivingBoy said:
The coin could have a picture of my mum on it, if it's celebrating the unholy load of old bollocks that is Brexit I will still be defacing every one I come across.Philip_Thompson said:Nigelb said:
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997.Philip_Thompson said:
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.rottenborough said:
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.Philip_Thompson said:
Get over yourself.rottenborough said:
I think I am going to throw up.Scott_P said:
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
Should he have had a coin ?
Maybe. Certainly many of his events and policies could as this isn't about an individual it is a nice commemorative message.Nigelb said:
So was, say, the election of Blair in 1997.Philip_Thompson said:
I couldn't care less. 48% of the country may not like Jemima Puddle-duck.rottenborough said:
Well, you could start with the fact that 48% of the public don't agree with what you are celebrating on their national coinage.Philip_Thompson said:
Get over yourself.rottenborough said:
I think I am going to throw up.Scott_P said:
We have 50p coins for everything now and I know lots of people who love to collect them whether it be the Olympics, Peter Rabbit or whatever else you can think of. Why not this?
This is a moment in our countries history. If people don't want this coin they don't have to collect it.
Should he have had a coin ?
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is not a message you want to be associated with then so be it.
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Certainly not. What century do you think this is?Gallowgate said:
You cant do it online?rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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says cheating turncoat loser. A perfect Lib Dem, lower than a rattlesnakes belly.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1159808784711266309?s=20HYUFD said:
It won't be in Labour v Tory marginal seats, it will just let the Tories win by splitting the centre left anti Tory vote unless the LDs get a clear lead over Labour in the national polls as the main centre left alternative to the Tories.OllyT said:
If the Remain alliance is wise it will will only stand against pro-Brexit Tories and Labour MPs. If they do that their impact could be considerably greater than you expectHYUFD said:
Splitting the anti Tory vote with Labour under FPTP and ensuring the Tories win as they are on 31% nationwide in the same poll.surbiton19 said:
Even in that poll you will have to put the LDs and the Greens together with a little sprinkling from Labour in Tory seats. That tells me the Unite to Remain will also be around 30%.HYUFD said:
No, Yougov this week had Boris retaining 68% of the 2017 Tory vote, with 20% going to the Brexit Party and 9% to the LDs.SandyRentool said:
Bozo has caused a cascade of voters switching from Tory to LibDem. Plus more than a trickle of party members from the One Nation wing jumping ship.HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters to the Brexit Party but Corbyn Labour is still leaking voters to the LDsYorkcity said:
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .HYUFD said:Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
You might see this as a good thing.
Corbyn is only retaining 53% of the 2017 Labour vote in the same poll
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/08/voting-intention-con-31-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-14-
The Remain Alliance and LDs are quite clear they will not do any pacts with Labour while Corbyn is leader so that means they will stand a LD or Green candidate in every seat where the Tories and Labour comprised the top 2 parties in 2017, they will only ensure a Green candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v LD marginal where the LDs are better placed and a LD candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v Green or Plaid seat where the Greens or Plaid are better placed0 -
I doubt that, given the age profile of Conservative party members.HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory votersYorkcity said:
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .HYUFD said:Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
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If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.0
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arseholeGallowgate said:
Boringmalcolmg said:
SNP will not dirty their hands by doing any deal with the lying cheating Lib Dems.JBriskinindyref2 said:Don't think the LDs should be collaborating with nationalists. If they keep going at this rate they won't have any ideology left.
I know some of you may be worried about where my GE vote will go. Well Ms Brisk is nearly at the age where you're officially allowed to vote tory so I might follow.
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Very rural Welsh seats are very difficult to read - as we have just seen with Brecon & Radnor. The personality of the candidate appears to count for far more than elsewhere. Glyn Davies is standing down and it remains to be seen how strong his personal vote has become . If the Tories were to fall back to the 40% or so polled in 2010 when Davies ousted Opik , the seat would become very competitive , and in those circumstances Plaid's 5% - 8% could prove crucial. In 2017 there was a big jump in the Labour vote there , and were that to be reversed LibDem prospects could be quite good.ydoethur said:
It's not 'hard' to see it. It's 'impossible.'llef said:re "when it is hoped that the three parties will be able to work out which will stand in each of the 30 Welsh constituencies"
Ceredigion seems a huge sticking point in these discussions.
Plaid's Ben Lake beat the (sitting) Liberal MP Mark Williams by just 104 votes in 2017, and Mark Williams was chosen in March to be the Liberal PPC for Ceredigion for the next election.
Its possible they might divi up the other 29 seats, but its hard to see either Ben Lake or Mark Williams standing aside for the other.
However, since one of the two will win it doesn't matter.
To be candid, I'm struggling to think of any seats in Wales where it might make a difference. Anglesey possibly, but that's a funny seat and doesn't conform to classic norms. Cardiff Central might be a better bet, but that's a Lib Dem target. The problem is that there is only Anglesey where Plaid have any chance of gaining anything and in that seat the LD vote is negligible, while in Montgomeryshire or Cardiff Central Plaid's endorsement would make no difference whatsoever.0 -
In terms of swing from the Tories since 2017, the Lib Dems would need about 22.6%. The 13% you quote doesn't come close.MikeSmithson said:
That was then when the LDs finished on 7%. They are now on 20% while the Tories have slipped 13%. LAB is now an irrelevance.Chris said:
Perhaps they might break through into second place, but really suggesting they could win from third place and 8.3% is not good expectation management.Foxy said:
Lib Dems did well in Nth Somerset in the Locals and in Euros as I recall.Chris said:A pact between the LDs and the Greens in Rees-Mogg's seat should certainly assure the pro-Remain unity candidate of a solid third place, because those two parties notched up all of 10.6% between them at the last election.
Sometimes the uselessness of the Remainers is almost as maddening as the stupidity of the Leavers.0 -
What was I saying about women not understanding the offside rule the other day?0
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But in 2010 when the LibDems polled 23% in the wake of Cleggmania , Labour was the main rival to JRM losing by less than 5,000 votes. Had the seat existed on current boundaries, it would have been safely Labour in 1997 and 2001 - and probably narrowly so in 2005.MikeSmithson said:
That was then when the LDs finished on 7%. They are now on 20% while the Tories have slipped 13%. LAB is now an irrelevance.Chris said:
Perhaps they might break through into second place, but really suggesting they could win from third place and 8.3% is not good expectation management.Foxy said:
Lib Dems did well in Nth Somerset in the Locals and in Euros as I recall.Chris said:A pact between the LDs and the Greens in Rees-Mogg's seat should certainly assure the pro-Remain unity candidate of a solid third place, because those two parties notched up all of 10.6% between them at the last election.
Sometimes the uselessness of the Remainers is almost as maddening as the stupidity of the Leavers.0 -
??nichomar said:If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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It has come to our attention at Brisky Towers that some English comrades are not fully on board the switch from scotch to bourbon to show solidarity with the great British Union of ours and to stop the Scottish Groat in its tracks.
A new hashtag has therefore been devised-
#Whiskey4Whisky4indyref2
Any appraisals gratefully received.0 -
Lower than a rattlesnake's genital warts.....malcolmg said:
says cheating turncoat loser. A perfect Lib Dem, lower than a rattlesnakes belly.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1159808784711266309?s=20HYUFD said:
It won't be in Labour v Tory marginal seats, it will just let the Tories win by splitting the centre left anti Tory vote unless the LDs get a clear lead over Labour in the national polls as the main centre left alternative to the Tories.OllyT said:
If the Remain alliance is wise it will will only stand against pro-Brexit Tories and Labour MPs. If they do that their impact could be considerably greater than you expectHYUFD said:
Splitting the anti Tory vote with Labour under FPTP and ensuring the Tories win as they are on 31% nationwide in the same poll.surbiton19 said:
Even in that poll you will have to put the LDs and the Greens together with a little sprinkling from Labour in Tory seats. That tells me the Unite to Remain will also be around 30%.HYUFD said:
No, Yougov this week had Boris retaining 68% of the 2017 Tory vote, with 20% going to the Brexit Party and 9% to the LDs.SandyRentool said:
Bozo has caused a cascade of voters switching from Tory to LibDem. Plus more than a trickle of party members from the One Nation wing jumping ship.HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters to the Brexit Party but Corbyn Labour is still leaking voters to the LDsYorkcity said:
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .HYUFD said:Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
You might see this as a good thing.
Corbyn is only retaining 53% of the 2017 Labour vote in the same poll
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/08/voting-intention-con-31-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-14-
The Remain Alliance and LDs are quite clear they will not do any pacts with Labour while Corbyn is leader so that means they will stand a LD or Green candidate in every seat where the Tories and Labour comprised the top 2 parties in 2017, they will only ensure a Green candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v LD marginal where the LDs are better placed and a LD candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v Green or Plaid seat where the Greens or Plaid are better placed0 -
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.0 -
We're keeping the door open to a deal, all they need to do is drop the backstop.Stark_Dawning said:
Considering the Leavers' agreed line is that No Deal will screw the EU just as much, if not more, than us, then the 'prosperity and friendship with all nations' bit is downright Orwellian.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
If society and institutions are to be reshaped in the image of "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" then I am OK with that.
Considering there is no backstop if there is no deal then its not an unreasonable request.
Insisting on no deal [and thus no backstop] rather than a deal minus the backstop is the EU just cutting off their own nose to spite their face.1 -
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It was an attempt to respond to your pseudo trumpism comment where it’s is unfortunate that we have to now have to measure our politicians on a trump like scale which to me implies we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. I was not implying that you had ‘rich paymasters’ just allowing my frustration to run away with itself because I feel this whole situation has been engineered for their own financial benefit. Sorry if it went a bit wrong because I actually agree with youChris said:
??nichomar said:If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
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I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!0 -
Oh - and as for "ignoring your long reply" - please do bear in mind that some of us don't spend our whole life glued to this website, as it seems you do.Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.
If you really posted a long reply explaining yet again why a straw man argument of your own invention was invalid, then it really just bears out what I've just said. You talk nonsense, and when someone points out it's nonsense, you just generate several tons more of the stuff to try to cover it up.0 -
40% isn't implausible as a floor in Montgomery given that's roughly the figure they get in the comparable Assembly seat.justin124 said:
Very rural Welsh seats are very difficult to read - as we have just seen with Brecon & Radnor. The personality of the candidate appears to count for far more than elsewhere. Glyn Davies is standing down and it remains to be seen how strong his personal vote has become . If the Tories were to fall back to the 40% or so polled in 2010 when Davies ousted Opik , the seat would become very competitive , and in those circumstances Plaid's 5% - 8% could prove crucial. In 2017 there was a big jump in the Labour vote there , and were that to be reversed LibDem prospects could be quite good.ydoethur said:
It's not 'hard' to see it. It's 'impossible.'llef said:re "when it is hoped that the three parties will be able to work out which will stand in each of the 30 Welsh constituencies"
Ceredigion seems a huge sticking point in these discussions.
Plaid's Ben Lake beat the (sitting) Liberal MP Mark Williams by just 104 votes in 2017, and Mark Williams was chosen in March to be the Liberal PPC for Ceredigion for the next election.
Its possible they might divi up the other 29 seats, but its hard to see either Ben Lake or Mark Williams standing aside for the other.
However, since one of the two will win it doesn't matter.
To be candid, I'm struggling to think of any seats in Wales where it might make a difference. Anglesey possibly, but that's a funny seat and doesn't conform to classic norms. Cardiff Central might be a better bet, but that's a Lib Dem target. The problem is that there is only Anglesey where Plaid have any chance of gaining anything and in that seat the LD vote is negligible, while in Montgomeryshire or Cardiff Central Plaid's endorsement would make no difference whatsoever.
But Plaid and the Liberal Democrats together are still a long way short of that. Labour would need to lose 2/3 of their voters as well. Not impossible given they polled about 5% in 2015 but that seems a bit unlikely.
Edit - it is also worth pointing out at this moment there is no Liberal Democrat candidate. The incumbent candidatedid a rat runhas just been elected as an MP. So we are talking many hypotheticals here.0 -
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Fake moron.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!0 -
I see (I think). But I wasn't using "pseudo-Trumpian" as a random insult. I really think it's the same strategy that Trump is following - say what you think your perceived core support wants to hear, and don't bother about offending anyone else.nichomar said:
It was an attempt to respond to your pseudo trumpism comment where it’s is unfortunate that we have to now have to measure our politicians on a trump like scale which to me implies we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. I was not implying that you had ‘rich paymasters’ just allowing my frustration to run away with itself because I feel this whole situation has been engineered for their own financial benefit. Sorry if it went a bit wrong because I actually agree with youChris said:
??nichomar said:If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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It's witty repartee like this that keeps me coming back to PB time after time.MarqueeMark said:
Lower than a rattlesnake's genital warts.....malcolmg said:says cheating turncoat loser. A perfect Lib Dem, lower than a rattlesnakes belly.
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Simple question. How much has brexit cost you since the day of the referendum? Have you had to pay anything for your principals, will you have to in the future?Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!0 -
And I'll just say that I'm off now to do something more worthwhile.
So if Philip is about to post another lengthy critique of his own straw man arguments, he mustn't get upset if I don't respond.0 -
Don’t know why Malcolm, but I get the idea you’re anti LibDem.malcolmg said:
says cheating turncoat loser. A perfect Lib Dem, lower than a rattlesnakes belly.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1159808784711266309?s=20HYUFD said:
It won't be in Labour v Tory marginal seats, it will just let the Tories win by splitting the centre leftOllyT said:
If the Remain alliance is wise it will will only stand against pro-Brexit Tories and Labour MPs. If they do that their impact could be considerably greater than you expectHYUFD said:
Splitting the anti Tory vote with Labour under FPTP and ensuring the Tories win as they are on 31% nationwide in the same poll.surbiton19 said:
Even in that poll you will have to put the LDs and the Greens together with a little sprinkling from Labour in Tory seats. That tells me the Unite to Remain will also be around 30%.HYUFD said:
No, Yougov this week had Boris retaining 68% of the 2017 Tory vote, with 20% going to the Brexit Party and 9% to the LDs.SandyRentool said:
Bozo has caused a cascade of voters switching from Tory to LibDem. Plus more than a trickle of party members from the One Nation wing jumping ship.HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris has stopped most of the leakage of Tory voters to the Brexit Party but Corbyn Labour is still leaking voters to the LDsYorkcity said:
Agreed B Johnson wins big as it stands with Lab @ Lib Dems on 20% .HYUFD said:Not really as as long as this Remain alliance excludes Labour it will split the centre left vote in Tory Labour marginal seats enabling the Tory candidate to win and the Tories to gain Labour Leave seats even if it sees the LDs win a few more Tory LD marginal seats
You might see this as a good thing.
Corbyn is only retaining 53% of the 2017 Labour vote in the same poll
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/08/voting-intention-con-31-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-14-
The Remain Alliance and LDs are quite clear they will not do any pacts with Labour while Corbyn is leader so that means they will stand a LD or Green candidate in every seat where the Tories and Labour comprised the top 2 parties in 2017, they will only ensure a Green candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v LD marginal where the LDs are better placed and a LD candidate does not stand in a Tory or Labour v Green or Plaid seat where the Greens or Plaid are better placed
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Proper little internet tough guy aren't you.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
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ExactlyChris said:
I see (I think). But I wasn't using "pseudo-Trumpian" as a random insult. I really think it's the same strategy that Trump is following - say what you think your perceived core support wants to hear, and don't bother about offending anyone else.nichomar said:
It was an attempt to respond to your pseudo trumpism comment where it’s is unfortunate that we have to now have to measure our politicians on a trump like scale which to me implies we have now reached the bottom of the barrel. I was not implying that you had ‘rich paymasters’ just allowing my frustration to run away with itself because I feel this whole situation has been engineered for their own financial benefit. Sorry if it went a bit wrong because I actually agree with youChris said:
??nichomar said:If now we are measuring things in terms of ‘trump like’ it’s pretty sick but Johnson is only interested in Johnson and Tory’s are only interested in Tory’s so if emulating trump is going to benefit you then they never had any principles in the first place. I hope your very rich pay masters allow you a few crumbs of the rich mans table.
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Maybe David Davis can sort it out.rcs1000 said:
Certainly not. What century do you think this is?Gallowgate said:
You cant do it online?rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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If one were a North Korean dissident one might object to the term Democratic People's Republic of North Korea without being against the wider principles of democracy, the people or republics. I think a lot of us would feel a peaceful, prosperous, friendly Brexit is a similarly rankling and absurdly, knowingly dishonest juxtaposition.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!0 -
The coin is Brexit in microcosm - stupid, dishonest, a pointless waste of time. The 48% have repeatedly been told "you lost, suck it up," we have few ways of registering our disgust at this nonsense. It is a bit sad, but it will genuinely make me happy to take a masonry drill to one of these pathetic pieces of currency once in a while, a small futile act of rebellion against all the shite. You can make us endure Brexit, but we will never tire of telling you how crap it is. Suck it up!Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
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Yes, there's a lot of remainacs about - if they don't like the "juxtapose" they've still got time to fuck off to continental Europe. Hurry though, you're running out of time.Pro_Rata said:
If one were a North Korean dissident one might object to the term Democratic People's Republic of North Korea without being against the wider principles of democracy, the people or republics. I think a lot of us would feel a peaceful, prosperous, friendly Brexit is a similarly rankling and absurdly, knowingly dishonest juxtaposition.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
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I'm sure he is but what does Elton think?
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A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.0
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I'm confused as to how the death will impact sales of Irn BruTheuniondivvie said:I'm sure he is but what does Elton think?
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To misquote Ronald Reagan, the most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm David Davis and I'm here to help.'Gallowgate said:
Maybe David Davis can sort it out.rcs1000 said:
Certainly not. What century do you think this is?Gallowgate said:
You cant do it online?rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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Win/win. If that's going to genuinely make you happy then its a good thing we are getting these coins. Its giving you an outlet for your frustrations and making you genuinely happy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The coin is Brexit in microcosm - stupid, dishonest, a pointless waste of time. The 48% have repeatedly been told "you lost, suck it up," we have few ways of registering our disgust at this nonsense. It is a bit sad, but it will genuinely make me happy to take a masonry drill to one of these pathetic pieces of currency once in a while, a small futile act of rebellion against all the shite. You can make us endure Brexit, but we will never tire of telling you how crap it is. Suck it up!Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
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Not just immigrants Mr M, all foreigners.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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Well my vote at a possible imminent GE would be for whoever has the best chance of avoiding Brexit. After this is achieved, if indeed it can be, then normal service will be resumed, and then I will choose whoever best represents my views.
I am a bit worried I will be out of the UK from mid October to mid November,getting my annual adrenaline fix in the the Himalaya with very little internet or mobile, hope I can get back to the UK OK.0 -
I'm not glued to this website, I can go hours or days not logging on. This site can get quite addictive though, I doubt I'm the only person here who finds it quite addictive.Chris said:
Oh - and as for "ignoring your long reply" - please do bear in mind that some of us don't spend our whole life glued to this website, as it seems you do.Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
I note you ignored my long reply the other day about why exactly inflation and currency variations are different, despite the fact that others could understand the point easily. I wonder whether you're the one pretending to be less bright than he is, because its really not that difficult.
If you really posted a long reply explaining yet again why a straw man argument of your own invention was invalid, then it really just bears out what I've just said. You talk nonsense, and when someone points out it's nonsense, you just generate several tons more of the stuff to try to cover it up.0 -
Nobody in modern western democratic politics has the particular combination of disgusting personality and character traits that are brought together in the organism we know as Donald Trump. He is unique and just as Hitler should not be compared with anyone else, nor should Trump. Trump is like Hitler in this respect.Chris said:I see (I think). But I wasn't using "pseudo-Trumpian" as a random insult. I really think it's the same strategy that Trump is following - say what you think your perceived core support wants to hear, and don't bother about offending anyone else.
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So I guess the Treasury will be delivering 700 million of these 50p coins to the NHS every week.1
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I didn't critique my own argument, you asked me a question and I replied. You kept repeating the question, I kept replying. Not my fault if you act dumb or don't understand the answer.Chris said:And I'll just say that I'm off now to do something more worthwhile.
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Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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This actually makes more sense than most of the things you say.Philip_Thompson said:
Win/win. If that's going to genuinely make you happy then its a good thing we are getting these coins. Its giving you an outlet for your frustrations and making you genuinely happy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The coin is Brexit in microcosm - stupid, dishonest, a pointless waste of time. The 48% have repeatedly been told "you lost, suck it up," we have few ways of registering our disgust at this nonsense. It is a bit sad, but it will genuinely make me happy to take a masonry drill to one of these pathetic pieces of currency once in a while, a small futile act of rebellion against all the shite. You can make us endure Brexit, but we will never tire of telling you how crap it is. Suck it up!Philip_Thompson said:
I'm not pretending anything, anyone who objects to the words "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" being on a coin is pathetic. Say that you agree with the sentiment but dislike Brexit, that's reasonable. Acting all outraged and saying you're that angry you'll deface coins . . . that's just sad.Chris said:
Still having trouble with that basic English comprehension, eh?Philip_Thompson said:
You think wanting "peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is moronic?Chris said:
I say again, I don't believe you're as much of a moron as you pretend to be. No one could be.Philip_Thompson said:
If you think "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations" is a "crushing and humiliating" message then you have my sympathy suck it up, buttercup.Stark_Dawning said:The Brexit 50p feels like a misjudgement - Leavers stamping their authority on the present as they crush and humiliate those on the losing side. Next they'll be proposing a national holiday on the anniversary of Boris's succession. Presumably this is all part of Cummings's plan to reshape society and its institutions in his own image.
What I said was that _you_ were _pretending_ to be moronic, when you portrayed people who objected to this commemorative coin as disagreeing with the sentiments expressed in the motto.
And then I said no one could really be that moronic. I rest my case!
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Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.anothernick said:
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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Try using a Telex machine. For some reason all transport orders in my business had to be confirmed by Telex.Gallowgate said:
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.anothernick said:
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
I can remember a business trip to the US and was amazed at how primitive their mobile phones were, circa 2004.0 -
Doesn't surprise me. I'm 37 and I've only seen one in one workplace and it was phased out 14 years ago. Its absurd anyone using it in the 21st century.Gallowgate said:
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.anothernick said:
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
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I think we can class Meeks as a long term poster - and I don't think he's leave either...nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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When I was 27 I'd never used a mobile phone.Gallowgate said:
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.anothernick said:
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
LOL. Mr Meeks makes me think of this video:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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What is bizarre is people's business cards that still include a fax number.0
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Are you still making up government policy positions this evening?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL. Mr Meeks makes me think of this video:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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No he obviously isn’t but there are a lot of new posters coming in with what I find as antagonist views.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I think we can class Meeks as a long term poster - and I don't think he's leave either...nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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And the diehard remainers aren't antagonistic???nichomar said:.
No he obviously isn’t but there are a lot of new posters coming in with what I find as antagonist views.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I think we can class Meeks as a long term poster - and I don't think he's leave either...nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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Might not go quite that far but the aura around it is definitely more 'smell the glove' than 'love train'.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.FF43 said:
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.AlastairMeeks said:
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.FF43 said:
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
I don't doubt it having seen the feral state of many of the remainers on here.AlastairMeeks said:
And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.0 -
I renewed mine by postrcs1000 said:
Certainly not. What century do you think this is?Gallowgate said:
You cant do it online?rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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When I was 27 mobile phones had only been available in the UK for a year, they were the size of a brick and almost as heavy.SandyRentool said:
When I was 27 I'd never used a mobile phone.Gallowgate said:
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.anothernick said:
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
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CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.0 -
Presumably those with an antagonistic attitude get banned or shadow banned.nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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Yas - I did have that cheeky flutter on Spurs - still down for the season, natch.0
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Still got one of those. Also a first generation digital phone. Use it for teaching about change over time. Slap it down next to my IPhone and get them comparing.anothernick said:
When I was 27 mobile phones had only been available in the UK for a year, they were the size of a brick and almost as heavy.SandyRentool said:
When I was 27 I'd never used a mobile phone.Gallowgate said:
I’m 27 and I’ve never seen, never mind use, a fax machine.anothernick said:
It's surprising how slow the home of silicon valley is to adopt the latest technologies - they were well behind Europe in bringing in chip and pin authorisation for card payments. In 2016 when I had to submit returns to the IRS on behalf of my then employer I was amazed to be told that they had to be completed on paper and then faxed - there was no online system and the IRS did not accept email!rcs1000 said:I'm currently in the Department of Motor Vehicles, renewing my driving license. It is the greatest social leveller. You can be Tim Cook, or Michael Bloomberg, or the most humble undocumented migrant, and you'll be waiting on the same queue, in the same uncomfortable chairs.
The bit that always bewilders them is the SIM card.0 -
How was I wrong about the policy? What I said is as I understand the policy, if its not can you please explain the difference?AlastairMeeks said:
Are you still making up government policy positions this evening?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL. Mr Meeks makes me think of this video:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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You may be right but tbf I haven't seen many leavers suggesting politicians are going to be attacked with sharpened coins.nichomar said:
No he obviously isn’t but there are a lot of new posters coming in with what I find as antagonist views.0 -
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure this new 50p coin was announced ages ago.0
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Do you really expect the serried ranks of pb commenters to rise up and launch an intifada on the basis of a nod and wink from me? Get a grip.Gabs2 said:
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.AlastairMeeks said:
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.FF43 said:
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
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The government policy is not, as you claimed, simply to remove the backstop.Philip_Thompson said:
How was I wrong about the policy? What I said is as I understand the policy, if its not can you please explain the difference?AlastairMeeks said:
Are you still making up government policy positions this evening?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL. Mr Meeks makes me think of this video:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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I very much doubt it OGH actively encourages different view points and also defends many I wouldn’t. Very few get banned but although I have been around quietly under one or two guises (memory problems) since 2004 others will know betterGabs2 said:
Presumably those with an antagonistic attitude get banned or shadow banned.nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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nichomar said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?0 -
Sadly, I have seen far too many ideas rise from the cesspit of social media to impact national politics in recent years. I will continue to call out all winks and nods to violence wherever I see them.AlastairMeeks said:
Do you really expect the serried ranks of pb commenters to rise up and launch an intifada on the basis of a nod and wink from me? Get a grip.Gabs2 said:
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.AlastairMeeks said:
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.FF43 said:
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
On the subject of Ireland, which is what we were discussing, yes it is. If I have missed something please explain what?AlastairMeeks said:S
The government policy is not, as you claimed, simply to remove the backstop.Philip_Thompson said:
How was I wrong about the policy? What I said is as I understand the policy, if its not can you please explain the difference?AlastairMeeks said:
Are you still making up government policy positions this evening?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL. Mr Meeks makes me think of this video:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=929sn1qMCcM0 -
nichomar said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
And here we have Exhibit A of a typical remainer.
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As a Remainer (almost an Ultra-Remainer), I still think we should respect the referendum (as moronic as it was) and leave. The trouble is, Leavers seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that when we do eventually leave the EU, our stay outside will be as short as possible.1
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Government policy is to replace the backstop with a different means of meeting the EU’s concerns. However, it has no alternative to offer.Philip_Thompson said:
On the subject of Ireland, which is what we were discussing, yes it is. If I have missed something please explain what?AlastairMeeks said:S
The government policy is not, as you claimed, simply to remove the backstop.Philip_Thompson said:
How was I wrong about the policy? What I said is as I understand the policy, if its not can you please explain the difference?AlastairMeeks said:
Are you still making up government policy positions this evening?Philip_Thompson said:
LOL. Mr Meeks makes me think of this video:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Ah, the sweet salty tears of remainers.AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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Fuck me you’ve lost me thereDennisBets said:nichomar said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?0 -
Words Matter.AlastairMeeks said:
Do you really expect the serried ranks of pb commenters to rise up and launch an intifada on the basis of a nod and wink from me? Get a grip.Gabs2 said:
This is Faragian. You don't explicitly advocate violence, you just bring up ways it could be done.AlastairMeeks said:
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.FF43 said:
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
It's best to ignore posts designed to antagonise. Engaging with them only encourages them.nichomar said:
I very much doubt it OGH actively encourages different view points and also defends many I wouldn’t. Very few get banned but although I have been around quietly under one or two guises (memory problems) since 2004 others will know betterGabs2 said:
Presumably those with an antagonistic attitude get banned or shadow banned.nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?AlastairMeeks said:
Delivered by a campaign of xenophobic lies. So a very apt slogan.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If you are a swivel-eyed loon driven to madness by democracy delivering a decision you hate then yes...that would indeed be a better slogan.AlastairMeeks said:A better slogan for the Brexit coin would be “nostalgia for Empire and hatred of immigrants”.
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A common response; I'll go back to the Glemorangienichomar said:
Fuck me you’ve lost me thereDennisBets said:nichomar said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?
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Yes and bloody proud of it. What have you ever done for the community you live in?CaptainBuzzkill said:nichomar said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
And here we have Exhibit A of a typical remainer.0 -
If a political party (or coalition) was elected at a future GE on a manifesto of re-joining (with or without a referendum) then I would be jumping from a great height on any leaver trying to thwart it.CatMan said:As a Remainer (almost an Ultra-Remainer), I still think we should respect the referendum (as moronic as it was) and leave. The trouble is, Leavers seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that when we do eventually leave the EU, our stay outside will be as short as possible.
Democracy has to be respected in letter AND spirit and if that means accepting something you intensely dislike so be it.
Trying to subvert a huge democratic mandate through nebulous justifications is the action of the ignorant.0 -
😀DennisBets said:
A common response; I'll go back to the Glemorangienichomar said:
Fuck me you’ve lost me thereDennisBets said:nichomar said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
Originally?nichomar said:
Where do these highly charged new posters come from, mostly on the leave side with a very antagonistic attitude who then fade after about two weeks?
Spanish father/English mother, lived abroad for many years, speak a couple of languages, believe in democracy.
What about you?
I’m not going to give you my cv but speak Spanish, have held positions of elected responsibility in the UK and run multi million pound operations from Moscow to New Jersey. There is a pattern of very strong opinionated poster arriving here, making a point and then disappearing.
May we humbly ask? What do strongly opinionated mere working class remainers get then? A ration of West country Cheese and a Nicola Sturgeon engraved special edition bottle opener?0 -
Christ! A load of escapees from Guido's. Floater must have been out with his sandwich board again.1
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I don't approve of that. If some way could be found to deface the coin with a "Bollocks to Brexit" message and then put it back into circulation - that would be an entirely worthwhile gesture IMOAlastairMeeks said:
I expect Remain / Rejoin campaigns will be collecting them for funds. And I expect Leave politicians will be receiving a lot of them, with sharpened edges thrown at force.FF43 said:
I for one think this coin is the perfect metaphor for Brexit. Let's embrace it.Scott_P said:
Brexiteers opt not to use the second half of Jefferson's sentence - entangling alliances with none - which is the bit they really mean. So they refer to "Peace and Friendship" as a Freemasons' code for the real meaning.
This coin manages to be highly insulting, disingenuous and bombastic all at the same time. But that's what Brexit is all about.0 -
Then let's leave in an orderly careful way which does the least damage and respects that most people (including a lot of Leavers) want a close relationship with Europe, as was promised during the campaign.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If a political party (or coalition) was elected at a future GE on a manifesto of re-joining (with or without a referendum) then I would be jumping from a great height on any leaver trying to thwart it.CatMan said:As a Remainer (almost an Ultra-Remainer), I still think we should respect the referendum (as moronic as it was) and leave. The trouble is, Leavers seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that when we do eventually leave the EU, our stay outside will be as short as possible.
Democracy has to be respected in letter AND spirit and if that means accepting something you intensely dislike so be it.
Trying to subvert a huge democratic mandate through nebulous justifications is the action of the ignorant.
Instead we've gone from that to "We need to get out any way possible and screw the consequences". I don't think that's a good strategy if you want to make leaving the EU a success.0 -
