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Duncan appears to have being trying to establish a new constitutional convention (possibly implicitly rather than explicitly).0
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Seems a little late for my taste.IanB2 said:DecrepitJohnL said:The Sun reports rumours that Boris will sack Hunt if he scores more than 60 per cent; that Saj has fallen out of favour because he is said to be preparing a new leadership bid in case Boris falls early; that Liz Truss reckons she can still be Chancellor (see Saj); and many more that I can't be bothered to type because I do not believe any of them but I've often been wrong before.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9553021/boris-johnson-sack-jeremy-hunt/
This is a government begging to be brought down from the outset.
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Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.0
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That website looks like a seriously risky click.Cyclefree said:0 -
On Facebook Live awaiting Lib Dem result... Snow Patrol is the wait music... not sure about that...0
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Really an Alice in Wonderland day. Jessop had written something that isn't virtue signalling. In fact it's an attack on two virtue signallers.JosiasJessop said:Breaking news:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49074879
I really hope Tom Watson apologises. And preferably resigns in shame.
(And the same goes for Zac Goldsmith, who was all to ready to spread the smear against Brittain.)
Watson and Goldsmith deserve prison. It's a pity criminal libel doesn't exist anymore. But the least we should expect are their resignations from parliament. As nasty a pair of charlatans as I can remember0 -
I would expect PM and Government to treat it as a VONC and resign even if not strictly required to do so. If they didn't resign then a VONC would be required. But maybe I have it wrong and a VONC in accordance with FTPA would still be required.RobD said:
Isn’t a separate confidence motion required even if a Queen’s speech is voted down?
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They just need a figurehead. Figureheads are easy to come by; any idiot can be one.AlastairMeeks said:
As Avon in Blake's Seven would say, if any other Conservative MPs are ready to pull the rug from under a hypothetical Boris Johnson government, now would be a good time.rkrkrk said:
Rumours that Alan Duncan has entered into a betting syndicate with Alistair Meeks unconfirmed...rottenborough said:
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Does the government resigning even trigger an election these days? I think the only way to trigger one is using the mechanism outlined in the FTPA.crandles said:
I would expect PM and Government to treat it as a VONC and resign even if not strictly required to do so. If they didn't resign then a VONC would be required. But maybe I have it wrong and a VONC in accordance with FTPA would still be required.RobD said:
Isn’t a separate confidence motion required even if a Queen’s speech is voted down?1 -
Just type it in very carefully.AlastairMeeks said:
That website looks like a seriously risky click.Cyclefree said:0 -
The number of people who work with Boris and can't stand him is quite remarkable. What does that tell us about him?
May was largely friendless and had little capacity for making new ones.
Boris is superficially jolly but appears to alienate everyone who sees him up close.
Either way we move from one PM unable to get people onside to another one equally incapable of doing so.0 -
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.1 -
I think one thing that we can be reasonably certain about (!!) is that a Johnson government will last longer than most people want or think it should do. That's just how politics works. To its own rhythm not the rhythm of 24-hr rolling news. It might hit the iceberg on day one but it will likely not sink for some time.IanB2 said:This is a government begging to be brought down from the outset.
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Johnson and Swinson have both shortened in recent days.
Not sure why - surely no new info has become available.
OK, there's less time for a cock-up or withdrawal - but fundamentals haven't really changed.0 -
It isn't. I promise! Mouth-watering but innocently so.AlastairMeeks said:
That website looks like a seriously risky click.Cyclefree said:0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Anyone into history might want to give Marc Morris Edward I bio (e-book) a look, as it's just 99p at the moment.0 -
It looks amazing. The last thing the Meeks waistline needs just now is more chocolate. But...Cyclefree said:
It isn't. I promise! Mouth-watering but innocently so.AlastairMeeks said:
That website looks like a seriously risky click.Cyclefree said:0 -
Labour peers drop VONC in Corbyn0
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Swinson could do with winning over 55%, doesn't want to scrape home.0
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Mr. Cicero, don't worry, they'll be playing Beethoven's 9th momentarily.0
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I wholeheartedly agree with you.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.
I somehow doubt that Boris will be strong on this issue.0 -
If Swinson wins - and, as looks possible, ends up leading the LDs into an electoral arrangement with other parties, I would imagine that the SNP would demand IndyRef2 as part of their price.
Swinson could effectively be voting to abolish her seat - and unless she could find an English or Welsh seat to represent, she would be ending her own leadership
Laying down your own career for the sake of the SNP...0 -
There is so little difference between them in terms of policy the percentage doesn't matter much.Artist said:Swinson could do with winning over 55%, doesn't want to scrape home.
(OK, 52/48 would not be good but ....)0 -
Mr. Punter, if it's 52/48 I await the second leadership election
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The Forest log ...... mmmmmm!!!!!AlastairMeeks said:
It looks amazing. The last thing the Meeks waistline needs just now is more chocolate. But...Cyclefree said:
It isn't. I promise! Mouth-watering but innocently so.AlastairMeeks said:
That website looks like a seriously risky click.Cyclefree said:
Going to this shop was one of those special treats my Nonna gave us from time to time.0 -
Well it is clear that the Labour leadership is not strong on this issue either. Their silence has been deafening.Cyclefree said:
I wholeheartedly agree with you.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.
I somehow doubt that Boris will be strong on this issue.
Kudos to Jess P for being an almost lone voice on this subject.
We cannot pander to bigots and the silence of too many MPs and others is just giving the bigots space in which to spread their ignorance.1 -
Tension rising in the burlesque club the LDs have hired for the announcement....
...waiting for the big reveal.0 -
It's hard to know for sure, as there are sanctions on Syria from the US (OFAC), the EU, and even some specific UK ones!tlg86 said:
I thought we were enforcing EU sanctions, or have we seized another ship?Nigelb said:After we seize an Iranian vessel, basically as a favour to the US, if reports are to be believed...
You're on your own, says Pompeo:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/22/uk-must-look-after-its-own-ships-in-the-gulf-says-pompeo
As far I am aware there has been no specificity regarding exactly which sanctions the ship is supposed to have breached.
(And for the record, I think @Luckyguy1983 has the best solution for this. We simply purchase the oil on board the ship for a market price and return it to the Iranians. The sanctions are therefore upheld, while not creating a hostage to fortune.)0 -
Is it, though? If your belief is a matter of choice, how can it be true faith? Faith is not a rational impulse, surely.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.0 -
With my Machiavelli hat on, what is best for Boris coming in? He doesn't have a reliable majority to sort out Brexit, or owt else. Crashing out in No Deal would be hugely risky, as we, and our businesses are simply not prepared, either practically or psychologically, and probably lead to his downfall. As might a GE with nowt settled.
Therefore why not ask May to revoke Article 50 on Wednesday? Cue faux, manufactured outrage, then go to the country for a mandate for No Deal in 2 years spitting bile at Remainer wreckers? Unites the Right. Leaves Labour on a continued cleft stick.
Thus giving time to at least prepare.0 -
Russian interference?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Punter, if it's 52/48 I await the second leadership election
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I am also not prepared to pander to those who are irrational.Animal_pb said:
Is it, though? If your belief is a matter of choice, how can it be true faith? Faith is not a rational impulse, surely.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.0 -
Oti Mabusi’s sister is the new Strictly judge....0
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In what time zone is the 4pm announcement due?0
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Temperatures rising toward a potentially record-breaking Thursday....0
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Eastern Standard Time.Richard_Nabavi said:In what time zone is the 4pm announcement due?
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Lords agree to keep the no no deal NI Bill amendment by a majority of 114...0
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now foo fighters and 15 mins late.. Its bloody close
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May time.Richard_Nabavi said:In what time zone is the 4pm announcement due?
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BApilots vote to strike. No dates as yet.0
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Mr. Nabavi, Brussels time?
Anyway, I'm off. Have fun, kids.0 -
They come out of it badly, but fortunately we don't live in a country where you can be sent to prison on Roger's whim.Roger said:
Really an Alice in Wonderland day. Jessop had written something that isn't virtue signalling. In fact it's an attack on two virtue signallers.JosiasJessop said:Breaking news:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49074879
I really hope Tom Watson apologises. And preferably resigns in shame.
(And the same goes for Zac Goldsmith, who was all to ready to spread the smear against Brittain.)
Watson and Goldsmith deserve prison. It's a pity criminal libel doesn't exist anymore. But the least we should expect are their resignations from parliament. As nasty a pair of charlatans as I can remember
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So, in essence, you're only prepared to extend equality protection to those who subscribe to a Western, post-enlightenment atheist belief set?oxfordsimon said:
I am also not prepared to pander to those who are irrational.Animal_pb said:
Is it, though? If your belief is a matter of choice, how can it be true faith? Faith is not a rational impulse, surely.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.0 -
They could mean unite the country in loathing him.Cyclefree said:
The idea that Boris can unite the country when so many of his own MPs clearly loathe him is an interesting one.TOPPING said:
Almost as though it is a bad idea to treat people badly if you want them to remain loyal.TheValiant said:BBC saying Elphicke has had whip removed. So therefore we ARE down to 311 Con MPs.
Also saying Alan Duncan wants to table a VoNC on his own government?0 -
It's a dead heat in the LibDems! 16 votes apiece. Incredible.1
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If Oti is allowed to remain as a dancer, that is just wrongIanB2 said:Oti Mabusi’s sister is the new Strictly judge....
I had enough of the favouritism shown by Len to anyone named Clifford - but to have a sibling judging another sibling would be taking it too far0 -
Davey looks unusually happy0
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Seems very strange and since when did the Mabuse family extend its stranglehold on Strictly. Then again, I am Oti's #1 fan but even I accept that if she carries on dancing it is a complication too far and unnecessary.oxfordsimon said:
If Oti is allowed to remain as a dancer, that is just wrongIanB2 said:Oti Mabusi’s sister is the new Strictly judge....
I had enough of the favouritism shown by Len to anyone named Clifford - but to have a sibling judging another sibling would be taking it too far
Talk about a good day for the LibDems to bury bad news.0 -
Faith appears to be increasingly becoming the go to influence on policy making.Animal_pb said:
Is it, though? If your belief is a matter of choice, how can it be true faith? Faith is not a rational impulse, surely.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.0 -
I am absolutely determined that protections for those characteristics that are not a matter of choice should take priority over those characteristics that are a matter of personal choice.Animal_pb said:
So, in essence, you're only prepared to extend equality protection to those who subscribe to a Western, post-enlightenment atheist belief set?oxfordsimon said:
I am also not prepared to pander to those who are irrational.Animal_pb said:
Is it, though? If your belief is a matter of choice, how can it be true faith? Faith is not a rational impulse, surely.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.0 -
Here we go..0
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Just get on with it - no-one cares what the LD president has to say0
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And the winner is Jo Swinson0
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Here we go...
High turn out...
Swinson wins big
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Crushing win for Swinson0
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Landslide!0
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So there's a dance-off?rcs1000 said:It's a dead heat in the LibDems! 16 votes apiece. Incredible.
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We have wasted either eight months (since those Boris-hating Tory MPs propped up May) or three years (since the formerly Boris-hating but now Boris-will-be-a-great-PM Michael Gove gave us three years of May) of government time to resolve Brexit.Cyclefree said:
The idea that Boris can unite the country when so many of his own MPs clearly loathe him is an interesting one.TOPPING said:
Almost as though it is a bad idea to treat people badly if you want them to remain loyal.TheValiant said:BBC saying Elphicke has had whip removed. So therefore we ARE down to 311 Con MPs.
Also saying Alan Duncan wants to table a VoNC on his own government?
They must all be very proud of what they have achieved.0 -
Very happy with Jo.
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Not even close. All those rumours about Ed Davey coming up on the rails seem to have been spun out of thin air.0
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63 / 370
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Well done Jo Swinson. Big big win (well outside anything I saw predicted.) What a moment to be taking over - could be in a general election campaign with a serious prospect of power before she knows it.0
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Turnout rumoured to be low, and it was high. Contest rumoured to be close, and it wasn’t0
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47k to 28k0
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Big mistake. That's now all four main GB-wide parties retreating to their comfort zones when three of them at least should be reaching out.0
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Agreed on all points.oxfordsimon said:
Well it is clear that the Labour leadership is not strong on this issue either. Their silence has been deafening.Cyclefree said:
I wholeheartedly agree with you.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.
I somehow doubt that Boris will be strong on this issue.
Kudos to Jess P for being an almost lone voice on this subject.
We cannot pander to bigots and the silence of too many MPs and others is just giving the bigots space in which to spread their ignorance.
The header I wrote on this - in March - some time before recent Panorama, Newsnight and Times articles - is one of the articles I am most proud of - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/03/21/rendering-unto-caesar/.0 -
Swinson! a bit of a thrashing (she clearly got the vagina vote)(First women liberal/sdp leader!)
I think her soft Scottish accent should play well. It did no favours to Gordon Brown; but I don't really think she's in contendership to be next PM so should be fine.
Good Luck LDs! I agree with most of your policies except your central one.0 -
Will certainly make my life more difficult as I'm not sure I will entertain voting LDs under Swinson. Of course I know I am pale, male and stale and hence would naturally have preferred Davey, but I wouldn't be the only one and winning votes from hitherto forbidden areas is what will propel them towards power.Richard_Nabavi said:Big mistake. That's now all four main GB-wide parties retreating to their comfort zones when they should be reaching out.
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Ed isn't crap but isn't Liberal Democrat leader?0 -
Wait until tomorrow. When those who urged us to lay Boris will presumably be somewhat low profile....AlastairMeeks said:Not even close. All those rumours about Ed Davey coming up on the rails seem to have been spun out of thin air.
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Only potentially worse as people start out liking BorisCyclefree said:The number of people who work with Boris and can't stand him is quite remarkable. What does that tell us about him?
May was largely friendless and had little capacity for making new ones.
Boris is superficially jolly but appears to alienate everyone who sees him up close.
Either way we move from one PM unable to get people onside to another one equally incapable of doing so.
Fingers crossed we are wrong and he is better than appearances.0 -
Rightly so.Cyclefree said:
Agreed on all points.oxfordsimon said:
Well it is clear that the Labour leadership is not strong on this issue either. Their silence has been deafening.Cyclefree said:
I wholeheartedly agree with you.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.
I somehow doubt that Boris will be strong on this issue.
Kudos to Jess P for being an almost lone voice on this subject.
We cannot pander to bigots and the silence of too many MPs and others is just giving the bigots space in which to spread their ignorance.
The header I wrote on this - in March - some time before recent Panorama, Newsnight and Times articles - is one of the articles I am most proud of - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/NI-Rights.png0 -
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Yes, same here. Above all it's a big missed opportunity.TOPPING said:Will certainly make my life more difficult as I'm not sure I will entertain voting LDs under Swinson. Of course I know I am pale, male and stale and hence would naturally have preferred Davey, but I wouldn't be the only one and winning votes from hitherto forbidden areas is what will propel them towards power.
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Someone span Rob Merrick a yarn..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lib-dem-leadership-race-ed-davey-jo-swinson-odds-vince-cable-replacement-a9013751.html0 -
Why? In what way is Jo Swinson so manifestly inferior to Ed Davey and in what way is it retreating "to the comfort zone" ?Richard_Nabavi said:Big mistake. That's now all four main GB-wide parties retreating to their comfort zones when three of them at least should be reaching out.
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No - you're wrong because religious people are not being denied any rights. They are, however, being denied the right to deny rights to others.Animal_pb said:
So, in essence, you're only prepared to extend equality protection to those who subscribe to a Western, post-enlightenment atheist belief set?oxfordsimon said:
I am also not prepared to pander to those who are irrational.Animal_pb said:
Is it, though? If your belief is a matter of choice, how can it be true faith? Faith is not a rational impulse, surely.oxfordsimon said:
Don't you just love the ignorant, ill-informed bigots who just don't want to understand the reality of what is being taught?rottenborough said:Same sex school protest/row hits Nottingham, Sky reporting.
It is time to shut this down once and for all. Ban all protests within a certain distance of every school. And give absolute, unconditional support to teachers and pupils.
We cannot allow this to go on any longer. I don't give a damn about 'community relations' with regards to this. This goes to the heart of equality agenda.
Faith is a choice. Sexuality isn't.0 -
I don’t know a lot about her. I think a lot of Tories in particular are going to be looking for an alternative to vote for and will be looking for somebody who seems like senior ministerial capability. Hell, they could even be a candidate for PM! And, perhaps showing obvious prejudices, Ed Davey May instinctively feel more like that person. Also was fairly senior in the coalition and they will like that.stodge said:
Why? In what way is Jo Swinson so manifestly inferior to Ed Davey and in what way is it retreating "to the comfort zone" ?Richard_Nabavi said:Big mistake. That's now all four main GB-wide parties retreating to their comfort zones when three of them at least should be reaching out.
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Fuck me.Pulpstar said:US Interest rate cut
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/11532756273211392000
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