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Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports0 -
Sending man to the moon was magnificent pointlessness. Brexit is just pointless.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/
I have to say Johnson's writing does have panache. No idea what people see him in him as a politician, but many people apparently do rate him.0 -
Some say ( not me) it was all the work of Stanley Kubrick.Benpointer said:
'...gained traction over the years...' with flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists.Mexicanpete said:
The alternative theory which has gained traction over the years is the Apollo 11 moon landing never happened. It was just smoke and mirrors. Maybe the NASA reference is just another clever coded Brexit message from Johnson?williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/0 -
Same reason we haven't Brexited... ultimately it became obvious it was a pointless, stupid, expensive folly.No_Offence_Alan said:
Why couldn't we build a garden bridge across the Thames?surbiton19 said:
But we did not go to the moon. NASA did.DecrepitJohnL said:Boris Johnson: Ignore the pessimists - if we can put a man on the moon, we can solve the Northern Irish border problem
Boris Johnson has insisted Britain can leave the EU with a deal by October 31 if the country rediscovers its “sense of mission” ahead of his expected coronation as Tory leader on Monday.
The front-runner to succeed Theresa May said that if man could find a way to get to the moon and back 50 years ago, “we certainly have the technology” to solve the Northern Irish border problem - the one thing standing in the way of a Brexit deal.
Writing in Monday's Telegraph, he says: “It is time this country recovered some its can-do spirit. We can come out of the EU on October 31, and yes, we certainly have the technology to do so. What we need now is the will and the drive.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/boris-johnson-ignore-pessimists-can-put-man-moon-can-solve/
You see: that was all Theresa May needed: a can-do spirit! FFS. Fiona's spaff some money on some geeks had more detail.0 -
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.0 -
There are some very dumb people out there (not you).Mexicanpete said:
Some say ( not me) it was all the work of Stanley Kubrick.Benpointer said:
'...gained traction over the years...' with flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists.Mexicanpete said:
The alternative theory which has gained traction over the years is the Apollo 11 moon landing never happened. It was just smoke and mirrors. Maybe the NASA reference is just another clever coded Brexit message from Johnson?williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/0 -
Oh I don't know, I try my best!Benpointer said:
There are some very dumb people out there (not you).Mexicanpete said:
Some say ( not me) it was all the work of Stanley Kubrick.Benpointer said:
'...gained traction over the years...' with flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists.Mexicanpete said:
The alternative theory which has gained traction over the years is the Apollo 11 moon landing never happened. It was just smoke and mirrors. Maybe the NASA reference is just another clever coded Brexit message from Johnson?williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/0 -
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
‘frictionless’ and ‘hand-knitted code’ ? Utter balls, yes.Benpointer said:
What was this 'frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere' Boris was talking about... was it in fact, like most of the rest of the stuff he spouts, just bollocks?HYUFD said:
There are plenty of highly intelligent people e.g. Dominic Cummings, who spent not just hours but years of hard work preparing for Brexit and in Boris they will finally have a PM prepared to listen to then and believe in Brexit rather than see it as a damage limitation exerciseRecidivist said:
The self belief was necessary. But so was careful and diligent analysis of the problem and many man hours of thought and work.HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
System software was stored in woven ‘rope memory -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_rope_memory
- but the software was highly sophisticated and exhaustively planned over years. Its design principles became a model for reliable software engineering.
I’m struggling to see any correspondence to the rolling mess that is Brexit.0 -
He's gonna make Hunt an offer he has to refuse?HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports0 -
Could I interest you in a consignment of best quality tariff free snake oil?HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?0 -
I was going based on politico's tracker. Not sure why the disparity.rcs1000 said:
Bernie has raised the biggest sums in total, but in Q2 he was fourth behind Buttigieg, Biden and Warren.Stereotomy said:
Bernie topped the chartsrcs1000 said:
Buttigieg has already qualified for the September debates, O'Rourke has not.Nigelb said:
If O’Rourke goes out, who inherits all those Texas votes ? Buttigieg, I think, polled as his followers’ second preference, but he might well not be in the race at that point, either.rcs1000 said:
An important dynamic with this race is that, for the September debates, the "entrance requirements" have doubled.Nigelb said:
Rather that she possibly has more to win, and more to lose than any other candidate in the debates at the end of this month.Pulpstar said:
Clearly the hot take will be Harris surging to 16%.rottenborough said:
The three in front of her are more established in voters’ minds, Biden and Sanders far more so. She could have a further surge, justifying her current betting odds, or be back in the chasing pack with Buttigieg.
The consequence of which is that only five candidates have definitely qualified for them (Biden, Harris, Warren, Sanders and Buttigieg), and then there are two or three with a chance (O'Rourke, Kloubacher, Castro).
We could go from two debates with twenty candidates, to one debate with five or six.
I also suspect that those who do not qualify for the September debate, are effectively out the race.
Warren has some hard thinking to do on policy. Thus far, she’s more or less managed ambiguity on several issues, but I think will get targeted on this come the next debate.
Also, Buttigieg topped the fundraising charts in Q2, raising $25m (2.5x what Harris pulled in and 5x O'Rourke), so I don't think he's dropping out any time soon.
See: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-democratic-presidential-candidate-campaign-finance/0 -
Moron.HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
So the ambition is now the dismantling of the worldwide trading system, not just our relationship with the EU ?HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
It didn't just take a "lot of self belief". It took seven years and a carefully thought out sequence of events. they had to work out how to track over space, navigate in space, rendevous in space, how to build a rocket big enough to do it, how to build computers to do it. They did this by "all-up testing": keep tight control of testing, coming up with a best guess, launching a small rocket, note the problems, fix them, do it again only bigger, iterate until a solution, do a rehearsal (Apollo 10), then do it for realz.HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit of self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
What they didn't do is build a very big fully-equipped Saturn V at the beginning and launch it, hoping they got everything right. Do you know who did do that? The Soviets. Would you like to see the footage of their moon rocket, the N1? They looked like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iuo3J8L9b81 -
I believe you.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I think it was Classics wasn't it. (like Bernard from Yes, minister)viewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
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Will actually be genuinely fascinating to see Boris' Cabinet. There are going to be some fuming back benchers whichever way it goes, that is for sure.0
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Just voted in lib dem leadership election (very last minute!). Difficult to choose but went for Davey in the end. My instinct is that he will appeal more to the kind of remainer home county tories that could be very important in next election, he comes across as a bit more of a 'serious/sensible' type, the experienced candidate. Also felt like he came across a bit more naturally in the debates (not more 'charismatic' as such, but a bit more natural)0
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Sad to see diehard Remaineritis getting to you Topping as a Brexiteer finally gets to No 10TOPPING said:
Moron.HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
No, the ambition is Brexit and no hard border in IrelandNigelb said:
So the ambition is now the dismantling of the worldwide trading system, not just our relationship with the EU ?HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
Bonjour. Not home counties but yes to the general drift.Paristonda said:My instinct is that he will appeal more to the kind of remainer home county tories that could be very important in next election
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And quickly discovers how difficult it is.HYUFD said:
Sad to see diehard Rwmaineritis getting to you Topping as a Brexiteer finally gets to No 10TOPPING said:
Moron.HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
Thus speaks a remainer. You are a remainer me duck. Twist and turn all you like but you are a diehard remainer and not welcome in the conservative party.HYUFD said:
Sad to see diehard Rwmaineritis getting to you Topping as a Brexiteer finally gets to No 10TOPPING said:
Moron.HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
Don Boriseonedixiedean said:
He's gonna make Hunt an offer he has to refuse?HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports2 -
There is going to be a customs border in NI, it just needs to be one that doesn't have physical infrastructure of a type that can be targeted by terrorists.1
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Any Remainer who respects democracy and now wants to see Brexit delivered is welcome in the Tory PartyTOPPING said:
Thus speaks a remainer. You are a remainer me duck. Twist and turn all you like but you are a diehard remainer and not welcome in the conservative party.HYUFD said:
Sad to see diehard Rwmaineritis getting to you Topping as a Brexiteer finally gets to No 10TOPPING said:
Moron.HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment0 -
Corbyn losing members. Makes a leadership challenge possible, even likely, in the coming months.0
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Because the EU wasted the two year article 50 period quibbling about what would happen if we couldn't sign a free trade agreement, rather than actually negotiating said FTA. We don't want a hard border. If one happens it's on the EU's head.TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.0 -
Uh?Luckyguy1983 said:There is going to be a customs border in NI, it just needs to be one that doesn't have physical infrastructure of a type that can be targeted by terrorists.
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He wouldn't be worth a punt at any price, unfortunately. The party has gone completely bonkers and it's certainly not going to come to its senses in time to be willing to hear disagreeable truths for at least five years, and probably not for a decade or more.Recidivist said:Just wondering who will be the favourite for next Conservative leader when they close the book on the current contest. Phil Hammond must be worth a punt at the right price.
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So you think they welcome a diehard remainer like you? I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Any Remainer who respects democracy and now wants to see Brexit delivered is welcome in the Tory PartyTOPPING said:
Thus speaks a remainer. You are a remainer me duck. Twist and turn all you like but you are a diehard remainer and not welcome in the conservative party.HYUFD said:
Sad to see diehard Rwmaineritis getting to you Topping as a Brexiteer finally gets to No 10TOPPING said:
Moron.HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
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Like Boris’s frictionless re-entry, a thing of faith rather than reality.HYUFD said:
No, the ambition is Brexit and no hard border in IrelandNigelb said:
So the ambition is now the dismantling of the worldwide trading system, not just our relationship with the EU ?HYUFD said:
What are the WTO going to do? Invade Northern Ireland to build a hard border?TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
In any case given Trump's view of the WTO it is not exactly punching with much weight at the moment
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Jeez: Boris is going to be even worse than I anticipated ......HYUFD said:
Don Boriseonedixiedean said:
He's gonna make Hunt an offer he has to refuse?HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
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The UK can't have a hard border whoever's fault. Hence all the Boris crap is just that, crap.Endillion said:
Because the EU wasted the two year article 50 period quibbling about what would happen if we couldn't sign a free trade agreement, rather than actually negotiating said FTA. We don't want a hard border. If one happens it's on the EU's head.TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.0 -
I dislike Boris, and the things said during the campaign would be a petty reason for it (and with Boris, as per Trump, I get the impression the pettier things are what drive him), but moving Hunt at the least seems reasonable whether he wins by a large margin or a stonkingly large margin. They are probably not as far apart on Brexit as some think, but Boris should reasonably have someone in tune with him on the subject at the Foreign Office. If not for the current situation I feel like it wouldn't even be in doubt.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
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Sounds a fair assessment.Richard_Nabavi said:
He wouldn't be worth a punt at any price, unfortunately. The party has completely bonkers and it's certainly not going to come to its senses in time to be willing to hear disagreeable truths for at least five years, and probably not for a decade or more.Recidivist said:Just wondering who will be the favourite for next Conservative leader when they close the book on the current contest. Phil Hammond must be worth a punt at the right price.
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"failing and blaming"Endillion said:
Because the EU wasted the two year article 50 period quibbling about what would happen if we couldn't sign a free trade agreement, rather than actually negotiating said FTA. We don't want a hard border. If one happens it's on the EU's head.TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
It's the EU's fault. It's Remainer's fault. It's Remainer Conservative's fault. It's Hammond's fault. It's May's fault. It's the BBC's fault. It's the Irish's fault. Or the Germans. Or the Poles. Or the French. It's Barnier's fault. It's Congress's fault. It's the Civil Services's fault. It's Ollie's fault. It's the fault of people who don't believe.
It's always somebody else's fault.0 -
I suspect in the end Boris will have to make Hunt Deputy PM as well as Business Secretary to unify the party even if he replaces him as Foreign Secretary.Cyclefree said:
Jeez: Boris is going to be even worse than I anticipated ......HYUFD said:
Don Boriseonedixiedean said:
He's gonna make Hunt an offer he has to refuse?HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports
In 1980 Reagan for example did not want to make his main rival for the GOP nomination, George Bush Snr, his Vice Presidential nominee telling advisers 'Do I have to?' Yet in the end he reluctantly agreed to unify the party.0 -
That is not the reason we have not Brexited. If it were the reason, and obviously so to boot, we'd already be in a situation where there was sufficient support to overturn the law making it still on the cards, or at least set in motion a means of doing so.Benpointer said:
Same reason we haven't Brexited... ultimately it became obvious it was a pointless, stupid, expensive folly.No_Offence_Alan said:
Why couldn't we build a garden bridge across the Thames?surbiton19 said:
But we did not go to the moon. NASA did.DecrepitJohnL said:Boris Johnson: Ignore the pessimists - if we can put a man on the moon, we can solve the Northern Irish border problem
Boris Johnson has insisted Britain can leave the EU with a deal by October 31 if the country rediscovers its “sense of mission” ahead of his expected coronation as Tory leader on Monday.
The front-runner to succeed Theresa May said that if man could find a way to get to the moon and back 50 years ago, “we certainly have the technology” to solve the Northern Irish border problem - the one thing standing in the way of a Brexit deal.
Writing in Monday's Telegraph, he says: “It is time this country recovered some its can-do spirit. We can come out of the EU on October 31, and yes, we certainly have the technology to do so. What we need now is the will and the drive.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/boris-johnson-ignore-pessimists-can-put-man-moon-can-solve/
You see: that was all Theresa May needed: a can-do spirit! FFS. Fiona's spaff some money on some geeks had more detail.
We might well get there as more people come to believe those reasons, but the reason we have not Brexited is because a few people came to see that (joining those who already did) and a whole bunch of others are unsatisfiable.0 -
He writes and talks bollocks all the time. OK for a columnist. Disastrous in a PM.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Are you referring to just that post, or his posts in general?Benpointer said:
Good grief, what utter bollocks he writes!williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/
Belief in Brexit, my arse.... this is Britain's new religion. All you have to do is believe. Laws, regulations, practicalities, plans - all can be ignored provided you have belief.
Utter twaddle the lot of it.
Amusing were it not for the fact that this twat is playing with people's lives and jobs and futures.0 -
Something something belief in something is all you need not proof something something no need for experts.Benpointer said:
'...gained traction over the years...' with flat-earthers and conspiracy theorists.Mexicanpete said:
The alternative theory which has gained traction over the years is the Apollo 11 moon landing never happened. It was just smoke and mirrors. Maybe the NASA reference is just another clever coded Brexit message from Johnson?williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/0 -
If it happens, we’ll spend the next decade arguing about whose fault it was.Endillion said:
Because the EU wasted the two year article 50 period quibbling about what would happen if we couldn't sign a free trade agreement, rather than actually negotiating said FTA. We don't want a hard border. If one happens it's on the EU's head.TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.
But we will suffer our share of the fallout irrespective of that.
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Huge thread on why the Dem Leadership "let's talk about health are" strategy won't work.
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I am sure when one is as important and invincibls as Mr Johnson the lives, jobs and fufures of mere serfs really don't count.Cyclefree said:
He writes and talks bollocks all the time. OK for a columnist. Disastrous in a PM.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Are you referring to just that post, or his posts in general?Benpointer said:
Good grief, what utter bollocks he writes!williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/21/need-can-do-spirit-1960s-america-help-us-get-eu/
Belief in Brexit, my arse.... this is Britain's new religion. All you have to do is believe. Laws, regulations, practicalities, plans - all can be ignored provided you have belief.
Utter twaddle the lot of it.
Amusing were it not for the fact that this twat is playing with people's lives and jobs and futures.0 -
https://twitter.com/chelleryn99/status/1152585540451164160
Presumably you should vote for one of the candidates with a stronger pro Israel position, which makes them more Jewish than Bernie...0 -
Ah, politico's including money that Bernie transferred in from past Senate and presidential campaigns. So in terms of actual fundraising you're right, he's fourth.Stereotomy said:
I was going based on politico's tracker. Not sure why the disparity.rcs1000 said:
Bernie has raised the biggest sums in total, but in Q2 he was fourth behind Buttigieg, Biden and Warren.Stereotomy said:
Bernie topped the chartsrcs1000 said:
Buttigieg has already qualified for the September debates, O'Rourke has not.Nigelb said:
If O’Rourke goes out, who inherits all those Texas votes ? Buttigieg, I think, polled as his followers’ second preference, but he might well not be in the race at that point, either.rcs1000 said:
An important dynamic with this race is that, for the September debates, the "entrance requirements" have doubled.Nigelb said:
Rather that she possibly has more to win, and more to lose than any other candidate in the debates at the end of this month.Pulpstar said:
Clearly the hot take will be Harris surging to 16%.rottenborough said:
The three in front of her are more established in voters’ minds, Biden and Sanders far more so. She could have a further surge, justifying her current betting odds, or be back in the chasing pack with Buttigieg.
The consequence of which is that only five candidates have definitely qualified for them (Biden, Harris, Warren, Sanders and Buttigieg), and then there are two or three with a chance (O'Rourke, Kloubacher, Castro).
We could go from two debates with twenty candidates, to one debate with five or six.
I also suspect that those who do not qualify for the September debate, are effectively out the race.
Warren has some hard thinking to do on policy. Thus far, she’s more or less managed ambiguity on several issues, but I think will get targeted on this come the next debate.
Also, Buttigieg topped the fundraising charts in Q2, raising $25m (2.5x what Harris pulled in and 5x O'Rourke), so I don't think he's dropping out any time soon.
See: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-democratic-presidential-candidate-campaign-finance/0 -
It's a really good programme. WEish we could have Timmermans in this country!Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope, politicians are just as capable of spouting bullshit as Cox.surbiton19 said:https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/1152143696864956416
No politician could have put it better.0 -
Hunt should tell him to get stuffed. Has he no self-respect? Why should he agree to be demoted? And if the reason is because Boris is too petty to take criticism all the more reason not to have such a man as his boss.kle4 said:
I dislike Boris, and the things said during the campaign would be a petty reason for it (and with Boris, as per Trump, I get the impression the pettier things are what drive him), but moving Hunt at the least seems reasonable whether he wins by a large margin or a stonkingly large margin. They are probably not as far apart on Brexit as some think, but Boris should reasonably have someone in tune with him on the subject at the Foreign Office. If not for the current situation I feel like it wouldn't even be in doubt.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
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There have always been 40% of the members who weren't Corbyn supporters. There still are, and many feel it more strongly than ever. But the 60-40 proportions haven't changed, so far._Anazina_ said:Corbyn losing members. Makes a leadership challenge possible, even likely, in the coming months.
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If Boris were smart he'd keep him as FS and de facto DPM...if he were smart.Cyclefree said:
Hunt should tell him to get stuffed. Has he no self-respect? Why should he agree to be demoted? And if the reason is because Boris is too petty to take criticism all the more reason not to have such a man as his boss.kle4 said:
I dislike Boris, and the things said during the campaign would be a petty reason for it (and with Boris, as per Trump, I get the impression the pettier things are what drive him), but moving Hunt at the least seems reasonable whether he wins by a large margin or a stonkingly large margin. They are probably not as far apart on Brexit as some think, but Boris should reasonably have someone in tune with him on the subject at the Foreign Office. If not for the current situation I feel like it wouldn't even be in doubt.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports
Hunt strikes me as the kind you wouldn't want on the back benches. In a quiet way.0 -
If this story is true, Boris is not smart. But petty and vindictive. And insecure.dixiedean said:
If Boris were smart he'd keep him as FS and de facto DPM...if he were smart.Cyclefree said:
Hunt should tell him to get stuffed. Has he no self-respect? Why should he agree to be demoted? And if the reason is because Boris is too petty to take criticism all the more reason not to have such a man as his boss.kle4 said:
I dislike Boris, and the things said during the campaign would be a petty reason for it (and with Boris, as per Trump, I get the impression the pettier things are what drive him), but moving Hunt at the least seems reasonable whether he wins by a large margin or a stonkingly large margin. They are probably not as far apart on Brexit as some think, but Boris should reasonably have someone in tune with him on the subject at the Foreign Office. If not for the current situation I feel like it wouldn't even be in doubt.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports
Hunt strikes me as the kind you wouldn't want on the back benches. In a quiet way.
Frankly, I have no hope. We have a government of stupid people who think belief is all that is needed. We may as well have toddlers believing in fairies in charge.
There is nothing I can say or do to change matters. Other than wait and use my vote.
And when I have the chance to campaign against the Tories. They deserve extinction for what they are inflicting on the country.0 -
It says 2/5 (40%) want him to go before the next general election but if you read the front page that was tweeted out it says 1 in 4 (25%) want him to step down immediately. The 25% are probably nailed on for a challenger but the other 15% would have to be convinced by the challenger.NickPalmer said:
There have always been 40% of the members who weren't Corbyn supporters. There still are, and many feel it more strongly than ever. But the 60-40 proportions haven't changed, so far._Anazina_ said:Corbyn losing members. Makes a leadership challenge possible, even likely, in the coming months.
So with a good candidate and a good campaign they could get 40% but it could easily be less.0 -
As I said earlier, it will be fascinating. Every Tory MP and their pets is rumoured to have been promised a position.Cyclefree said:
If this story is true, Boris is not smart. But petty and vindictive. And insecure.dixiedean said:
If Boris were smart he'd keep him as FS and de facto DPM...if he were smart.Cyclefree said:
Hunt should tell him to get stuffed. Has he no self-respect? Why should he agree to be demoted? And if the reason is because Boris is too petty to take criticism all the more reason not to have such a man as his boss.kle4 said:
I dislike Boris, and the things said during the campaign would be a petty reason for it (and with Boris, as per Trump, I get the impression the pettier things are what drive him), but moving Hunt at the least seems reasonable whether he wins by a large margin or a stonkingly large margin. They are probably not as far apart on Brexit as some think, but Boris should reasonably have someone in tune with him on the subject at the Foreign Office. If not for the current situation I feel like it wouldn't even be in doubt.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153051218375323650?s=20
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1153052207966773250?s=20
Davis, Fallon or Cox would be offered Foreign Secretary, Hunt would be offered Business Secretary the Sun reports
Hunt strikes me as the kind you wouldn't want on the back benches. In a quiet way.
Frankly, I have no hope. We have a government of stupid people who think belief is all that is needed. We may as well have toddlers believing in fairies in charge.
There is nothing I can say or do to change matters. Other than wait and use my vote.
And when I have the chance to campaign against the Tories. They deserve extinction for what they are inflicting on the country.0 -
We can't stop them putting up a hard border. They probably can't put one up, for political reasons, so they probably won't. If they end up having to give ground on the FTA purely so they don't have to worry about the Irish border, so much the better for us. The EU are the ones bluffing there, not the UK.TOPPING said:
The UK can't have a hard border whoever's fault. Hence all the Boris crap is just that, crap.Endillion said:
Because the EU wasted the two year article 50 period quibbling about what would happen if we couldn't sign a free trade agreement, rather than actually negotiating said FTA. We don't want a hard border. If one happens it's on the EU's head.TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.1 -
You do realise a free trade agreement doesn't remove the requirement of a customs border?Endillion said:
We can't stop them putting up a hard border. They probably can't put one up, for political reasons, so they probably won't. If they end up having to give ground on the FTA purely so they don't have to worry about the Irish border, so much the better for us. The EU are the ones bluffing there, not the UK.TOPPING said:
The UK can't have a hard border whoever's fault. Hence all the Boris crap is just that, crap.Endillion said:
Because the EU wasted the two year article 50 period quibbling about what would happen if we couldn't sign a free trade agreement, rather than actually negotiating said FTA. We don't want a hard border. If one happens it's on the EU's head.TOPPING said:
You absolute moron. It won't be the EU or the RoI nor indeed Boris who would impose a border. It might occur under WTO MFN protocols.HYUFD said:
Boris has said quite clearly he will not impose a hard border on the British side in Ireland, whether through technology or other means, if the Republic and EU choose to on their side so be itwilliamglenn said:
And what is our great prize: to successfully inconvenience people on the island of Ireland in order to implement something they didn't vote for? Don't you think this is evidence that we've lost the plot?HYUFD said:
Yes and they built that heatshield and got that re entry and went to the moon despite the naysayers with a bit if self belief, something we sorely need nowviewcode said:
It wasn't a frictionless re-entry. In fact, it was a very friction-y re-entry. The Command Module relied on friction with the Earth's atmosphere to slow it down enough to be recaptured by the Earth's gravity. That's why it had a heatshield. So it could survive the ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF FRICTION.williamglenn said:Ladies and gentlemen, our new Prime Minister:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border."
What do they teach people in whatever middle-class arts subject he did?
Jesus you and Tyndale so vociferous and yet so fucking ignorant.0 -
... because the terrorists run the smuggling as a source of income. They are criminal gangs who were allowed to do this without interference in return for halting bombings. That's the real reason nobody wants a hard border in Ireland.Luckyguy1983 said:There is going to be a customs border in NI, it just needs to be one that doesn't have physical infrastructure of a type that can be targeted by terrorists.
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Bizarre and strange weather. A cooler night than expected in London, but Paris is still predicted to hit the shocking figure of 43 degrees this week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2988507
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So Johnson is saying that all is needed to avoid a hard border is “belief”? But also implying that avoiding a hard border is a necessary pre-condition for Brexit? So Brexit isn’t happening?0
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