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The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
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I assume it is somewhat more possible to do if they win the toss and bat.surbiton19 said:"Apparently for Pakistan to get ahead of New Zealand on NRR if they bowl first against Bangladesh, New Zealand need to be bowled out for 142 here and Pakistan need to bowl Bangladesh out for 0 and win with five wides first ball."
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Mr. Roger, have you seen Corbyn? The idea being a damned fool prevents one leading a political party has been proved false. [Not to mention Boris being favourite for the premiership].0
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Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.anothernick said:
Fascinating, thanks.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.0 -
Totally agree.anothernick said:
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
In retirement I'm a member of the U3a (University of the Third Age). No exams, no degrees, just an interest in the world around. A few months ago several of us were chatting and it turned out that at one time or another we'd all worked, or had to do with, the same firm, in a variety of positions, from research chemist to director to office worker to shop floor labourer. As someone pointed out we none of us could have done our jobs without the others.0 -
Skinner passed the 11+, but at 16 decided to go down the pit.rural_voter said:
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.anothernick said:
Fascinating, thanks.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.0 -
No. Prescott certainly had a more positive influence on the UK than Johnson has had or will have, PM or not.Roger said:
Completely unfair. All those who went to fee paying schools will know several household names who didn't have a brain cell between them. Prescott got where he got through native wit alone. Not easy to do in a country like this one.Richard_Tyndall said:
One might argue that given Prescott's subsequent career, the 11+ was remarkably accurate about his abilities and intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.1 -
There are several doctors. Is that not a real job? same for ex-military. Jess Phillips ran womens refuges, does that not count?rural_voter said:
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.anothernick said:
Fascinating, thanks.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.0 -
Ian Lavery and Patrick McLoughlin were also both miners.rural_voter said:
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.anothernick said:
Fascinating, thanks.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.0 -
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk0 -
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-117560650 -
No, it is a legitimate concern. Slaughter standards and faecal contamination is rife in the US chicken industry. Think of it not so much as chlorine chicken so much as faecal chicken.Gaz said:
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk0 -
Afternoon all
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
The problem with both business people and ex-military officers is they are used to giving orders and getting them carried out. Command and control is easy but in politics that's not what's needed - you have to argue and persuade.0 -
Many people find that doors are closed because of "which type of God" they believe in. Thankfully in the UK and much of Northern Europe this problem is not as bad as in previous centuries and other parts of the world, but the problem is still there.Nigel_Foremain said:I wonder whether there are any other walks of life other than politics or religion where an arguably irrational belief means that everyone overlooks ineptitude. I mean, would one choose, or even reject, a doctor, accountant, or lawyer, irrespective of their competence and suitability, because they, say, "believed in God"?
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Hickenlooper campaign in shambles
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E.coli related meat recalls are pretty routine here,Foxy said:
No, it is a legitimate concern. Slaughter standards and faecal contamination is rife in the US chicken industry. Think of it not so much as chlorine chicken so much as faecal chicken.Gaz said:
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk0 -
I guess you are claiming that a Solicitor/Barrister or Journalist doesn't count as a real job, as there are plenty of those in Westminster. I do think that is a tad unfair. What I do agree on is that MPs should come from a wide variety of backgrounds, and that this variety has greatly diminished over the last 40 years.anothernick said:
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?0 -
NZ need less than three a ball.0
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two whole wickets in handkinabalu said:NZ need less than three a ball.
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Food poisoning is reported to be ten times as common in the US as in the UK.Gaz said:
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk0 -
SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.rural_voter said:
Ian Lavery and Patrick McLoughlin were also both miners.anothernick said:
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.OldKingCole said:
Fascinating, thanks.anothernick said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.OldKingCole said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.Nigel_Foremain said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.OldKingCole said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!Nigel_Foremain said:[deleted]
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.0 -
Too many people with little faith on here! Win for Essex, win for England, and the sun is shining. What’s not to be happy about!TheWhiteRabbit said:
two whole wickets in handkinabalu said:NZ need less than three a ball.
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There are 95,000 salmonella cases in the EU every year, against 1.2 million in the US - a 12x difference.AlastairMeeks said:
Food poisoning is reported to be ten times as common in the US as in the UK.Gaz said:
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk
(Sources: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/documents/AER_for_2015-salmonellosis.pdf, https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html)0 -
And lead. Political leaders should be able to take people with them through the power of their argument, founded on a solid core of personal belief and indivisible principle. All standout leaders challenge their parties and take them out of their comfort zone - Blair, Thatcher, MacMillan, Churchill all did that. Cameron tried to at the start but gave up on the most crucial battle over Europe. May, Johnson and Hunt have never tried and never will because they lack both the core principles and the courage required to be true leaders.stodge said:Afternoon all
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
The problem with both business people and ex-military officers is they are used to giving orders and getting them carried out. Command and control is easy but in politics that's not what's needed - you have to argue and persuade.0 -
It's coming home, it's coming, IT'S BLOODY WELL COMING HOME.0
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England win.
It's coming home, it's coming, IT'S BLOODY WELL COMING HOME.0 -
Let's also not forget that the EU has 510 million people vs 325 million people for the U.S, so the difference per capita is even better.rcs1000 said:
There are 95,000 salmonella cases in the EU every year, against 1.2 million in the US - a 12x difference.AlastairMeeks said:
Food poisoning is reported to be ten times as common in the US as in the UK.Gaz said:
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk
(Sources: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/documents/AER_for_2015-salmonellosis.pdf, https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html)0 -
By which time, 90% of votes will have been cast....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Has something happened?TheScreamingEagles said:England win.
It's coming home, it's coming, IT'S BLOODY WELL COMING HOME.
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In order to qualify and knock out New Zealand, Pakistan need to win the toss and bat, score 480, and bowl out Bangladesh for 160, or by about 320 runs, according to the Test Match Special scorer.0
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London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-117560650 -
Just prolongs the tortureTheScreamingEagles said:England win.
It's coming home, it's coming, IT'S BLOODY WELL COMING HOME.0 -
Does that mean Bangladesh will automatically bowl first if they win the toss?0
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Oh God. This is another sport I have to ignore, isn't it? Ok, I need some kind of stock phrase. Thinks for a minute. Ah-hah! "It's different from Curtley Ambrose's day, I think", should get me through. 0
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It's only about 5 minutes since Curtly Ambrose was playing. I think you mean people like Victor Trumper or Fred Spofforth.viewcode said:Oh God. This is another sport I have to ignore, isn't it? Ok, I need some kind of stock phrase. Thinks for a minute. Ah-hah! "It's different from Curtley Ambrose's day, I think", should get me through.
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No England average 300/ game as do India we can do itmalcolmg said:
Just prolongs the tortureTheScreamingEagles said:England win.
It's coming home, it's coming, IT'S BLOODY WELL COMING HOME.0 -
"I don't mind the white ball game but there's no substitute for hard test match cricket."viewcode said:Oh God. This is another sport I have to ignore, isn't it? Ok, I need some kind of stock phrase. Thinks for a minute. Ah-hah! "It's different from Curtley Ambrose's day, I think", should get me through.
That will keep you at the table.0 -
Dow Jones has closed at record high - 26,966.
Closed early as July 4th tomorrow.0 -
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
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Frightening. Although TBF one should take into account that the average American does eat multiple times the quantities of anybody else. Especially Trump supporters.AlastairMeeks said:Food poisoning is reported to be ten times as common in the US as in the UK.
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He sounds vaguely sensible and statesman like there.AndyJS said:Presumably this is what's annoying China:
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A Trump vs Boris election would be undeniably fascinating.OldKingCole said:
Could he re-rat on his abandonment of American citizenship and go back there? Try for President or something.Nigel_Foremain said:
Agreed, but when he realises it is actually hard work...?Scott_P said:
I don't think that fits his masterplan.Cyclefree said:Because taking us out without a deal, then buggering off leaving someone else to deal with the consequences would be the height of irresponsibility.
He only supported Brexit because he thought it would make him PM.
Crashing out and ending his career is probably not what he wants the history books to show...0 -
Must be editedCasino_Royale said:
He sounds vaguely sensible and statesman like there.AndyJS said:Presumably this is what's annoying China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFt7vbdNZKY
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They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.RobD said:
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-117560650 -
As I mentioned earlier, if Boris did un-renounce (which I believe is possible), he'd have to move to the US and reside there for fourteen years before he would qualify for election as POTUS.NickPalmer said:
A Trump vs Boris election would be undeniably fascinating.OldKingCole said:
Could he re-rat on his abandonment of American citizenship and go back there? Try for President or something.Nigel_Foremain said:
Agreed, but when he realises it is actually hard work...?Scott_P said:
I don't think that fits his masterplan.Cyclefree said:Because taking us out without a deal, then buggering off leaving someone else to deal with the consequences would be the height of irresponsibility.
He only supported Brexit because he thought it would make him PM.
Crashing out and ending his career is probably not what he wants the history books to show...0 -
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Are you surprised?Casino_Royale said:
He sounds vaguely sensible and statesman like there.AndyJS said:Presumably this is what's annoying China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFt7vbdNZKY
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I always liked the Archbishop of Canterbury, musing on a rash of declarations by politicians about hoiw religious they were: "When I fly to America, I will be pleased to learn that the pilot is a believer. I am however even more concerned with whether he can fly the plane."Nigel_Foremain said:I wonder whether there are any other walks of life other than politics or religion where an arguably irrational belief means that everyone overlooks ineptitude. I mean, would one choose, or even reject, a doctor, accountant, or lawyer, irrespective of their competence and suitability, because they, say, "believed in God"?
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It also speaks well of Eden that he encouraged Prescott.anothernick said:
No. Prescott certainly had a more positive influence on the UK than Johnson has had or will have, PM or not.Roger said:
Completely unfair. All those who went to fee paying schools will know several household names who didn't have a brain cell between them. Prescott got where he got through native wit alone. Not easy to do in a country like this one.Richard_Tyndall said:
One might argue that given Prescott's subsequent career, the 11+ was remarkably accurate about his abilities and intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.0 -
Jeremy Hunt on Hong Kong,Libya and refugees in the states on CH4, wont condemn USA but tells China there will be dire consequences. Very poor.0
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There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.rural_voter said:
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
https://smithinstitutethinktank.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/who-governs-britain.pdf0 -
Indeed. Encouraging young people who are keen to ‘make a difference’, whether or not one agrees with their views, is something one ought to do.Cyclefree said:
It also speaks well of Eden that he encouraged Prescott.anothernick said:
No. Prescott certainly had a more positive influence on the UK than Johnson has had or will have, PM or not.Roger said:
Completely unfair. All those who went to fee paying schools will know several household names who didn't have a brain cell between them. Prescott got where he got through native wit alone. Not easy to do in a country like this one.Richard_Tyndall said:
One might argue that given Prescott's subsequent career, the 11+ was remarkably accurate about his abilities and intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
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What does 'occupational background in politics' mean? We were drowning in ex-spads for awhile, disproportionately, after all. What level of bag carrier applies? And it is still the highest category, even if it is lower than some might think.NickPalmer said:
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.rural_voter said:
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
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what I like most is that this "MPs should have had proper jobs line" is often used in reference to the government/consNickPalmer said:
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.rural_voter said:
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
https://smithinstitutethinktank.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/who-governs-britain.pdf
But there - in your data - is what we all kinda knew. They're the lowest on prior jobs in politics.
OK, so what about real jobs, manual jobs? between manual, armed forces and health, they're basically level with Labour.
As ever,
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Trump would demolish him in the USANickPalmer said:
A Trump vs Boris election would be undeniably fascinating.OldKingCole said:
Could he re-rat on his abandonment of American citizenship and go back there? Try for President or something.Nigel_Foremain said:
Agreed, but when he realises it is actually hard work...?Scott_P said:
I don't think that fits his masterplan.Cyclefree said:Because taking us out without a deal, then buggering off leaving someone else to deal with the consequences would be the height of irresponsibility.
He only supported Brexit because he thought it would make him PM.
Crashing out and ending his career is probably not what he wants the history books to show...0 -
I suspect Trump would destroy Boris over the abortion(s) he made Petsy have.Pulpstar said:
Trump would demolish him in the USANickPalmer said:
A Trump vs Boris election would be undeniably fascinating.OldKingCole said:
Could he re-rat on his abandonment of American citizenship and go back there? Try for President or something.Nigel_Foremain said:
Agreed, but when he realises it is actually hard work...?Scott_P said:
I don't think that fits his masterplan.Cyclefree said:Because taking us out without a deal, then buggering off leaving someone else to deal with the consequences would be the height of irresponsibility.
He only supported Brexit because he thought it would make him PM.
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No you don't.stodge said:Afternoon all
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
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I hope this doesn't come over passive aggressive, but I'm curious why you'd think it was curious that the SNP would have most?NickPalmer said:
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.rural_voter said:
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
https://smithinstitutethinktank.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/who-governs-britain.pdf
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Watch out for unusual betting patternssurbiton19 said:"Apparently for Pakistan to get ahead of New Zealand on NRR if they bowl first against Bangladesh, New Zealand need to be bowled out for 142 here and Pakistan need to bowl Bangladesh out for 0 and win with five wides first ball."
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AndreaParma_82 said:
Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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The washTheuniondivvie said:
If you look at Britain as roughly a human figure, I'd say more the large intestine. In that scenario I'm unsure what the rectum would be.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're the backbone of England, Britain, and the UK.Nigelb said:
Yorkshire to the rescue, again.FrancisUrquhart said:Not even to get 300 after that start is criminal.
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Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.malcolmg said:
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.RobD said:
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?0 -
London.Charles said:
The washTheuniondivvie said:
If you look at Britain as roughly a human figure, I'd say more the large intestine. In that scenario I'm unsure what the rectum would be.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're the backbone of England, Britain, and the UK.Nigelb said:
Yorkshire to the rescue, again.FrancisUrquhart said:Not even to get 300 after that start is criminal.
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Ok, MEPs are now testing the electronic system using 5 singers.....
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There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.0
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No, the correct term is ex-pat.TOPPING said:
Immigrant, I think, is probably more accurate.Philip_Thompson said:
Could be worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Having been an England cricket fan in the 90s I'm never confident.Philip_Thompson said:
How about now?TheScreamingEagles said:
It's coming home, it's coming home, cricket's coming home I won't be confident until Williamson is out.TheWhiteRabbit said:
If you think so, NZ are more than 6/1FrancisUrquhart said:Squeaky bum time now in the cricket...
I was anEngland cricket fan ex-patgoing to high school in Australia in the 90s.
I was there temporarily, we were always going to return home to England (and we did). An immigrant is someone who intends to settle permanently in their new country and we didn't.0 -
Join the Euro. Redefine our definition of ‘we’.Zephyr said:
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.malcolmg said:
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.RobD said:
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?0 -
I love Hong Kong but it’s clear that the PRC (and PLA) influence has grown massively over the last 20 years. The bridge (sit on the right of the aircraft and you can see it) means more and more tourist buses from the Pearl River Delta , irrevocably changing the character- Cantonese is slowly becoming marginalised. HK (or Jiulong, as we’d better get used to) is outside our material influence now. It doesn’t matter whether we are part of the EU or not.Zephyr said:
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.malcolmg said:
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.RobD said:
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
Taiwan will be next, whether by force or otherwise. What should we do?0 -
No that’s why we, as part of the EU can continue to have influence in the world.Zephyr said:
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.malcolmg said:
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.RobD said:
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?0 -
When the PRC (as it will do) “reunifies” Taiwan, what do you think the EU will do?Gallowgate said:There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
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Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.0 -
I don't know what the EU would do in this hypothetical scenario.matt said:
When the PRC (as it will do) “reunifies” Taiwan, what do you think the EU will do?Gallowgate said:There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
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One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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Re EU Parliament
Adele has won...beating Bono and Madonna
Castaldo (Italy's 5 Stars Movement) wins the final Parliament Vice President slot.
Vice Presidents are
5 EPP
3 S&D
2 Renew
2 Greens
1 GUE
1 Not attached
No VP for ECR and ID
Like the Deputy Speakers in the Commons, they chair the plenary when President is not there.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
They are all part of the Bureau along President and Quaestors (5 to be elected tomorrow). Bureau does some administrative and management tasks about EU Parliament workings.
The 3 Senior VPs are part of the Conciliation Committee that must find agreement when Psrliament and Council don't agree on a legislative text.
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Depends whether you're talking about banking or tech...matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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A lot of that is because a European company developed the first live attenuated salmonella vaccine and after the Currie affair it became mandatory in most countriesrcs1000 said:
There are 95,000 salmonella cases in the EU every year, against 1.2 million in the US - a 12x difference.AlastairMeeks said:
Food poisoning is reported to be ten times as common in the US as in the UK.Gaz said:
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.tlg86 said:Looks like they need chlorine in Brazil...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk
(Sources: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/documents/AER_for_2015-salmonellosis.pdf, https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html)
In the US it is still only rarely used because of the cost.
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In Diplospeak, I think there's a difference between being concerned and promoting the benefits of restraint, as Johnson does, and threatening a country that is much more powerfu than ourselvesl with serious consequences, as Hunt does.0
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Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US PresidentsGallowgate said:
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
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The Committees have chairperson also on EU Parliament
President and Vice-Presidents of the Parliament are basically Speaker and Deputy Speakers in your case.
Examples of extra duties as part of the bureau (they are from 2014-19 term) are here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/eu-affairs/20170608STO76914/how-parliament-is-run-president-vice-presidents-and-quaestors-infographicGallowgate said:
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.nichomar said:
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US PresidentsGallowgate said:
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
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Can’t disagree but how many select committee presidents do we have in parliament?matt said:
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.nichomar said:
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US PresidentsGallowgate said:
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
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Like the question. Acute. One could argue that John P, because he ‘failed’ had a need to prove himself whereas the brother, because he ‘passed’ had done what he needed to prove himself to family and friends. Could go on and on.Charles said:
Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.0 -
Not a lotmatt said:
When the PRC (as it will do) “reunifies” Taiwan, what do you think the EU will do?Gallowgate said:There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
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Yep. Interesting for the rest of us who do not have a ballot paper. Utterly irrelevant to the actual result.MarqueeMark said:
By which time, 90% of votes will have been cast....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Allocation of MEPs to the 20 committees and 2 subcommittees here:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/news/flash/22641/List of committees_for CoP_rev2_en.pdf
Foreign Affairs
Agriculture and Rural Development
Budgets
Culture and Education
Development
Economic and Monetary Affairs
Employment and Social Affairs
Environment, Public Health and Food Safety
Internal Market and Consumer Protection
International Trade
Industry, Research and Energy
Legal Affairs
Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
Regional Development
Transport and Tourism
Constitutional Affairs
Fisheries
Petitions
Women’s Rights and Gender Equality
Budgetary Control
Human Rights (Subcommittee)
Security and Defence (Subcommittee)
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Blimey. This sounds like a ticking bomb for someone in civil service:
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/11464777293255065600 -
It is appalling. I believe I gave my personal experiences of it here before on the damage it can cause to those that fail who later (could have ) blossomed and those that succeeded and later flounder.OldKingCole said:
Like the question. Acute. One could argue that John P, because he ‘failed’ had a need to prove himself whereas the brother, because he ‘passed’ had done what he needed to prove himself to family and friends. Could go on and on.Charles said:
Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.0 -
And which ones will TBP Ltd sign up for and then not attend, yet again letting U.K. citizens down?AndreaParma_82 said:Allocation of MEPs to the 20 committees and 2 subcommittees here:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/news/flash/22641/List of committees_for CoP_rev2_en.pdf
Foreign Affairs
Agriculture and Rural Development
Budgets
Culture and Education
Development
Economic and Monetary Affairs
Employment and Social Affairs
Environment, Public Health and Food Safety
Internal Market and Consumer Protection
International Trade
Industry, Research and Energy
Legal Affairs
Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
Regional Development
Transport and Tourism
Constitutional Affairs
Fisheries
Petitions
Women’s Rights and Gender Equality
Budgetary Control
Human Rights (Subcommittee)
Security and Defence (Subcommittee)0 -
There is a nation of people out there, all fearing their children and grandchildren will live in over crowded jobless squalor unless some control can be taken over this diminishment. You sure you got a simple proposition you can sell?nichomar said:
No that’s why we, as part of the EU can continue to have influence in the world.Zephyr said:
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.malcolmg said:
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.RobD said:
It has a treaty obligation to interfere.malcolmg said:
London has form re interfering thoughkle4 said:
Maybe, or just going for the easy stock response.AndyJS said:The Chinese government must be getting a bit rattled if they're blaming the UK for the protests in Hong Kong.
https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?0 -
Do they have a separate word for "chairman"? I suspect not.matt said:
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.nichomar said:
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US PresidentsGallowgate said:
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break0 -
You’re wrong, it appears.PClipp said:
Do they have a separate word for "chairman"? I suspect not.matt said:
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.nichomar said:
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US PresidentsGallowgate said:
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?nichomar said:
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.matt said:
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.AndreaParma_82 said:AndreaParma_82 said:Result of first ballot for 14 Vice Presidents
331 required
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED
Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED
Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED
Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED
Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED
Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED
Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED
Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Heidi HAUTALA (Finland, Greens) 336 ELECTED
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 237
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) 135
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 130
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 169
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 303
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 143
3 still to be elected...
New ballot at 6.30 PM
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break0 -
Given the circumstances and the state of public knowledge when it was introduced one can, perhaps, understand why, but, Mr kjh, I agree.kjh said:
It is appalling. I believe I gave my personal experiences of it here before on the damage it can cause to those that fail who later (could have ) blossomed and those that succeeded and later flounder.OldKingCole said:
Like the question. Acute. One could argue that John P, because he ‘failed’ had a need to prove himself whereas the brother, because he ‘passed’ had done what he needed to prove himself to family and friends. Could go on and on.Charles said:
Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?OldKingCole said:
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know.anothernick said:
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.OldKingCole said:
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. The bar was held and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!OldKingCole said:
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!Nigel_Foremain said:Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.0 -
'Global'...PClipp said:
As far as I can tell it means you've met with other Presidents or VPs on more than one continent for lunch.
It's probably important too to have no concept of where most of the countries in the world are.
It's mainly about lunch.0 -
I remember some time ago when the Fisheries minister came from Austria. That pretty much says it all.nichomar said:
And which ones will TBP Ltd sign up for and then not attend, yet again letting U.K. citizens down?AndreaParma_82 said:Allocation of MEPs to the 20 committees and 2 subcommittees here:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/news/flash/22641/List of committees_for CoP_rev2_en.pdf
Foreign Affairs
Agriculture and Rural Development
Budgets
Culture and Education
Development
Economic and Monetary Affairs
Employment and Social Affairs
Environment, Public Health and Food Safety
Internal Market and Consumer Protection
International Trade
Industry, Research and Energy
Legal Affairs
Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
Regional Development
Transport and Tourism
Constitutional Affairs
Fisheries
Petitions
Women’s Rights and Gender Equality
Budgetary Control
Human Rights (Subcommittee)
Security and Defence (Subcommittee)0 -
So had no axe to grind?Tim_B said:
I remember some time ago when the Fisheries minister came from Austria. That pretty much says it all.nichomar said:
And which ones will TBP Ltd sign up for and then not attend, yet again letting U.K. citizens down?AndreaParma_82 said:Allocation of MEPs to the 20 committees and 2 subcommittees here:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/news/flash/22641/List of committees_for CoP_rev2_en.pdf
Foreign Affairs
Agriculture and Rural Development
Budgets
Culture and Education
Development
Economic and Monetary Affairs
Employment and Social Affairs
Environment, Public Health and Food Safety
Internal Market and Consumer Protection
International Trade
Industry, Research and Energy
Legal Affairs
Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
Regional Development
Transport and Tourism
Constitutional Affairs
Fisheries
Petitions
Women’s Rights and Gender Equality
Budgetary Control
Human Rights (Subcommittee)
Security and Defence (Subcommittee)
I'm sure there's a better metaphor, but ATM one escapes me.0
