"Apparently for Pakistan to get ahead of New Zealand on NRR if they bowl first against Bangladesh, New Zealand need to be bowled out for 142 here and Pakistan need to bowl Bangladesh out for 0 and win with five wides first ball." -Cricinfo
I assume it is somewhat more possible to do if they win the toss and bat.
Mr. Roger, have you seen Corbyn? The idea being a damned fool prevents one leading a political party has been proved false. [Not to mention Boris being favourite for the premiership].
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Fascinating, thanks.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
Totally agree.
In retirement I'm a member of the U3a (University of the Third Age). No exams, no degrees, just an interest in the world around. A few months ago several of us were chatting and it turned out that at one time or another we'd all worked, or had to do with, the same firm, in a variety of positions, from research chemist to director to office worker to shop floor labourer. As someone pointed out we none of us could have done our jobs without the others.
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Fascinating, thanks.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
Skinner passed the 11+, but at 16 decided to go down the pit.
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
One might argue that given Prescott's subsequent career, the 11+ was remarkably accurate about his abilities and intelligence.
Completely unfair. All those who went to fee paying schools will know several household names who didn't have a brain cell between them. Prescott got where he got through native wit alone. Not easy to do in a country like this one.
No. Prescott certainly had a more positive influence on the UK than Johnson has had or will have, PM or not.
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Fascinating, thanks.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
There are several doctors. Is that not a real job? same for ex-military. Jess Phillips ran womens refuges, does that not count?
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Fascinating, thanks.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
Ian Lavery and Patrick McLoughlin were also both miners.
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.
No, it is a legitimate concern. Slaughter standards and faecal contamination is rife in the US chicken industry. Think of it not so much as chlorine chicken so much as faecal chicken.
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
The problem with both business people and ex-military officers is they are used to giving orders and getting them carried out. Command and control is easy but in politics that's not what's needed - you have to argue and persuade.
I wonder whether there are any other walks of life other than politics or religion where an arguably irrational belief means that everyone overlooks ineptitude. I mean, would one choose, or even reject, a doctor, accountant, or lawyer, irrespective of their competence and suitability, because they, say, "believed in God"?
Many people find that doors are closed because of "which type of God" they believe in. Thankfully in the UK and much of Northern Europe this problem is not as bad as in previous centuries and other parts of the world, but the problem is still there.
Anti chlorination of chicken is and always was a cover for producer interests.
No, it is a legitimate concern. Slaughter standards and faecal contamination is rife in the US chicken industry. Think of it not so much as chlorine chicken so much as faecal chicken.
E.coli related meat recalls are pretty routine here,
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
I guess you are claiming that a Solicitor/Barrister or Journalist doesn't count as a real job, as there are plenty of those in Westminster. I do think that is a tad unfair. What I do agree on is that MPs should come from a wide variety of backgrounds, and that this variety has greatly diminished over the last 40 years.
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Fascinating, thanks.
Whatever your opinion of Prescott, I think it's unarguable that politics has lost something now that it is dominated by people who have little experience of "real" jobs outside the Westminster bubble. How many ex-cabin boys (or ex-manual job of any description) are there in the Commons today?
Skinner? Ex-miner. No more that I can think of.
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
Ian Lavery and Patrick McLoughlin were also both miners.
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
The problem with both business people and ex-military officers is they are used to giving orders and getting them carried out. Command and control is easy but in politics that's not what's needed - you have to argue and persuade.
And lead. Political leaders should be able to take people with them through the power of their argument, founded on a solid core of personal belief and indivisible principle. All standout leaders challenge their parties and take them out of their comfort zone - Blair, Thatcher, MacMillan, Churchill all did that. Cameron tried to at the start but gave up on the most crucial battle over Europe. May, Johnson and Hunt have never tried and never will because they lack both the core principles and the courage required to be true leaders.
In order to qualify and knock out New Zealand, Pakistan need to win the toss and bat, score 480, and bowl out Bangladesh for 160, or by about 320 runs, according to the Test Match Special scorer.
Oh God. This is another sport I have to ignore, isn't it? Ok, I need some kind of stock phrase. Thinks for a minute. Ah-hah! "It's different from Curtley Ambrose's day, I think", should get me through.
Oh God. This is another sport I have to ignore, isn't it? Ok, I need some kind of stock phrase. Thinks for a minute. Ah-hah! "It's different from Curtley Ambrose's day, I think", should get me through.
It's only about 5 minutes since Curtly Ambrose was playing. I think you mean people like Victor Trumper or Fred Spofforth.
Oh God. This is another sport I have to ignore, isn't it? Ok, I need some kind of stock phrase. Thinks for a minute. Ah-hah! "It's different from Curtley Ambrose's day, I think", should get me through.
"I don't mind the white ball game but there's no substitute for hard test match cricket."
Food poisoning is reported to be ten times as common in the US as in the UK.
Frightening. Although TBF one should take into account that the average American does eat multiple times the quantities of anybody else. Especially Trump supporters.
Because taking us out without a deal, then buggering off leaving someone else to deal with the consequences would be the height of irresponsibility.
I don't think that fits his masterplan.
He only supported Brexit because he thought it would make him PM.
Crashing out and ending his career is probably not what he wants the history books to show...
Agreed, but when he realises it is actually hard work...?
Could he re-rat on his abandonment of American citizenship and go back there? Try for President or something.
A Trump vs Boris election would be undeniably fascinating.
As I mentioned earlier, if Boris did un-renounce (which I believe is possible), he'd have to move to the US and reside there for fourteen years before he would qualify for election as POTUS.
I wonder whether there are any other walks of life other than politics or religion where an arguably irrational belief means that everyone overlooks ineptitude. I mean, would one choose, or even reject, a doctor, accountant, or lawyer, irrespective of their competence and suitability, because they, say, "believed in God"?
I always liked the Archbishop of Canterbury, musing on a rash of declarations by politicians about hoiw religious they were: "When I fly to America, I will be pleased to learn that the pilot is a believer. I am however even more concerned with whether he can fly the plane."
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
One might argue that given Prescott's subsequent career, the 11+ was remarkably accurate about his abilities and intelligence.
Completely unfair. All those who went to fee paying schools will know several household names who didn't have a brain cell between them. Prescott got where he got through native wit alone. Not easy to do in a country like this one.
No. Prescott certainly had a more positive influence on the UK than Johnson has had or will have, PM or not.
It also speaks well of Eden that he encouraged Prescott.
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
One might argue that given Prescott's subsequent career, the 11+ was remarkably accurate about his abilities and intelligence.
Completely unfair. All those who went to fee paying schools will know several household names who didn't have a brain cell between them. Prescott got where he got through native wit alone. Not easy to do in a country like this one.
No. Prescott certainly had a more positive influence on the UK than Johnson has had or will have, PM or not.
It also speaks well of Eden that he encouraged Prescott.
Indeed. Encouraging young people who are keen to ‘make a difference’, whether or not one agrees with their views, is something one ought to do.
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.
What does 'occupational background in politics' mean? We were drowning in ex-spads for awhile, disproportionately, after all. What level of bag carrier applies? And it is still the highest category, even if it is lower than some might think.
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
The problem with both business people and ex-military officers is they are used to giving orders and getting them carried out. Command and control is easy but in politics that's not what's needed - you have to argue and persuade.
That's three, then. It's better than one but that's not saying a huge amount. We might be better off with MPs from a wider range of previous occupations, not just the law or straight from PPE to the HoC.
By 'ordinary backgrounds' I was rather thinking of occupations such as plumbers, electricians or carpenters.
There are more than you think (7% of Labour MPs, i.e. about 15), and having a previous job in politics is much more unusual than most people think - curiously, the SNP have most, with 35% in that category.
"Apparently for Pakistan to get ahead of New Zealand on NRR if they bowl first against Bangladesh, New Zealand need to be bowled out for 142 here and Pakistan need to bowl Bangladesh out for 0 and win with five wides first ball." -Cricinfo
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
It's coming home, it's coming home, cricket's coming home I won't be confident until Williamson is out.
How about now?
Having been an England cricket fan in the 90s I'm never confident.
Could be worse.
I was an England cricket fan ex-pat going to high school in Australia in the 90s.
Immigrant, I think, is probably more accurate.
No, the correct term is ex-pat.
I was there temporarily, we were always going to return home to England (and we did). An immigrant is someone who intends to settle permanently in their new country and we didn't.
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
I love Hong Kong but it’s clear that the PRC (and PLA) influence has grown massively over the last 20 years. The bridge (sit on the right of the aircraft and you can see it) means more and more tourist buses from the Pearl River Delta , irrevocably changing the character- Cantonese is slowly becoming marginalised. HK (or Jiulong, as we’d better get used to) is outside our material influence now. It doesn’t matter whether we are part of the EU or not.
Taiwan will be next, whether by force or otherwise. What should we do?
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
No that’s why we, as part of the EU can continue to have influence in the world.
There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
When the PRC (as it will do) “reunifies” Taiwan, what do you think the EU will do?
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
When the PRC (as it will do) “reunifies” Taiwan, what do you think the EU will do?
I don't know what the EU would do in this hypothetical scenario.
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
Like the Deputy Speakers in the Commons, they chair the plenary when President is not there. They are all part of the Bureau along President and Quaestors (5 to be elected tomorrow). Bureau does some administrative and management tasks about EU Parliament workings.
The 3 Senior VPs are part of the Conciliation Committee that must find agreement when Psrliament and Council don't agree on a legislative text.
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
A lot of that is because a European company developed the first live attenuated salmonella vaccine and after the Currie affair it became mandatory in most countries
In the US it is still only rarely used because of the cost.
In Diplospeak, I think there's a difference between being concerned and promoting the benefits of restraint, as Johnson does, and threatening a country that is much more powerfu than ourselvesl with serious consequences, as Hunt does.
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US Presidents
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US Presidents
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US Presidents
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.
Can’t disagree but how many select committee presidents do we have in parliament?
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?
Like the question. Acute. One could argue that John P, because he ‘failed’ had a need to prove himself whereas the brother, because he ‘passed’ had done what he needed to prove himself to family and friends. Could go on and on. On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.
There’s no shame in having little individual power as a nation. The key is having a collection of nations pooling influence, like say, the European Union.
When the PRC (as it will do) “reunifies” Taiwan, what do you think the EU will do?
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Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held fairly low by Gordon Brown and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?
Like the question. Acute. One could argue that John P, because he ‘failed’ had a need to prove himself whereas the brother, because he ‘passed’ had done what he needed to prove himself to family and friends. Could go on and on. On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.
It is appalling. I believe I gave my personal experiences of it here before on the damage it can cause to those that fail who later (could have ) blossomed and those that succeeded and later flounder.
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And which ones will TBP Ltd sign up for and then not attend, yet again letting U.K. citizens down?
They will get sent home to think again, the Chinese will tweak their snouts and dismiss them like the pygmies they are.
Okay. So we are all 100% agreed that we are diminishing in this world? Diminishing from our days of economic and military powerhouse and Empire? Diminishing for the last half century, through all the thatcher and Blair years.
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
No that’s why we, as part of the EU can continue to have influence in the world.
There is a nation of people out there, all fearing their children and grandchildren will live in over crowded jobless squalor unless some control can be taken over this diminishment. You sure you got a simple proposition you can sell?
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US Presidents
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.
Do they have a separate word for "chairman"? I suspect not.
Mairead McGUINNESS (Ireland, Fine Gael) 618 ELECTED Rainer WIELAND (Germany, CDU) 516 ELECTED Othmar KARAS (Austria, People's Party) 477 ELECTED Ewa Bożena KOPACZ (Poland, Civic Platform) 461 ELECTED Lívia JÁRÓKA (Hungary, Fidesz) 349 ELECTED
Pedro SILVA PEREIRA (Portugal, Socialists) 556 ELECTED Katarina BARLEY (Germany, SDP) 516 ELECTED Klara DOBREV (Hungary, Democratica Coalition) 402 ELECTED
Dita CHARANZOVÁ (Czech Republic, ANO) 395 ELECTED Nicola BEER (Germany, FDP) 363 ELECTED
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Could I ask, what does a VP do? Because in most of the rest of the world, VP now means junior, barely qualified, neophyte and glorified bag carrier.
One of the problems the British have is with the term ‘president’ in Spain there are tens of thousands of presidents, from president of the social club to president of the government. We would use the term chairman. Now what they do with those vice chairmen I don’t know but I assume they acts as presidents of various committees.
Shouldn't our government have insisted on the English language version of these titles to be known as 'Chairperson' then rather than 'President'?
Well that’s being a bit silly. In the EU referendum vote leave peddled the lie about how the EU had seven presidents. It really is quite simple once you get past the concept of US Presidents
Yes, although 14 VPs seems like, on described job spec, little more than jobs for the boys and girls.
Do they have a separate word for "chairman"? I suspect not.
Brexit is the "gift" that just keeps taking . As a result of it we are now going to end up with the most unsuitable person ever to hold that office in my lifetime. His apologists hold up his time as Mayor as the only scrap of evidence that he has any leadership capability. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country more suited and we have to end up with this cretin
I would suspect you could have lived a very, very long time and still that second sentence would be true!
Indeed. The bar was held and Theresa May, but Boris will still be able to limbo underneath it!
Well, I remember Eden as PM and I think he was better than Boris will (may?????) be, although or course in the matter of Middle Eastern wars he was down there with Tony Blair. He also encouraged John Prescott to go into politics which may or may not have been a good thing.
That's a little-known fact I must say, Prescott would have been a teenager when Eden was PM.
Prescott, who had failed the 11+, went to sea as a steward soon after school, and worked on the liner which took a convalescent Eden to New Zealand. Apparently part of his duties included looking after the Edens, there was discussion and Prescott impressed Eden as a bright lad. Eden encouraged him to find a route to further study, effectively the Union, and the rest we know. At the time, being in the Merchant Navy exempted one from National Service.
Another example, of course, of the iniquity of the 11+; Prescott's brother passed and spent his life, IIRC, as railway manager.
Details could be wrong, but that's as I understand it.
Who won and who lost from the 11+ then?
Like the question. Acute. One could argue that John P, because he ‘failed’ had a need to prove himself whereas the brother, because he ‘passed’ had done what he needed to prove himself to family and friends. Could go on and on. On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.
It is appalling. I believe I gave my personal experiences of it here before on the damage it can cause to those that fail who later (could have ) blossomed and those that succeeded and later flounder.
Given the circumstances and the state of public knowledge when it was introduced one can, perhaps, understand why, but, Mr kjh, I agree.
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And which ones will TBP Ltd sign up for and then not attend, yet again letting U.K. citizens down?
I remember some time ago when the Fisheries minister came from Austria. That pretty much says it all.
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And which ones will TBP Ltd sign up for and then not attend, yet again letting U.K. citizens down?
I remember some time ago when the Fisheries minister came from Austria. That pretty much says it all.
So had no axe to grind?
I'm sure there's a better metaphor, but ATM one escapes me.
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https://news.sky.com/story/hong-kong-uk-is-interfering-in-chinas-affairs-ambassador-warns-11756065
The late Paul Flynn (aka the thinking man's Dennis Skinner) had not dissimilar views (except for being pro-EU membership) but was from a middle-class background.
There used to be lots of Labour MPs from ordinary backgrounds. It's a great loss.
In retirement I'm a member of the U3a (University of the Third Age). No exams, no degrees, just an interest in the world around. A few months ago several of us were chatting and it turned out that at one time or another we'd all worked, or had to do with, the same firm, in a variety of positions, from research chemist to director to office worker to shop floor labourer. As someone pointed out we none of us could have done our jobs without the others.
We've also gone through the phases of believing ex-businessmen and ex-military types are or should be the new political elite.
The problem with both business people and ex-military officers is they are used to giving orders and getting them carried out. Command and control is easy but in politics that's not what's needed - you have to argue and persuade.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/02/hickenlooper-2020-campaign-1395051
(Sources: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/files/documents/AER_for_2015-salmonellosis.pdf, https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html)
It's coming home, it's coming, IT'S BLOODY WELL COMING HOME.
That will keep you at the table.
Closed early as July 4th tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFt7vbdNZKY
https://smithinstitutethinktank.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/who-governs-britain.pdf
But there - in your data - is what we all kinda knew. They're the lowest on prior jobs in politics.
OK, so what about real jobs, manual jobs? between manual, armed forces and health, they're basically level with Labour.
As ever,
brilliant.
Second ballot results
Marcel KOLAJA (Czech Rep, Pirates) 426 ELECTED
Laura HUHTASAARI (Finland, True Finns) WITHDRAWN
Mara BIZZOTTO (Italy, Lega) 142
Zdzisław KRASNODĘBSKI (Poland, Civic Platform) 261
Dimitrios PAPADIMOULIS (Greece, Syrza) 401 ELECTED
Fabio Massimo CASTALDO (Italy, 5 Stars) 284
Still one to be elected
Sassoli proposes an electronic vote. I&D group disagrees. Somebody else is in favour. They vote on how to vote. Electronic vote wins.
One MEP asks for a technical break of 10 minutes. Sassoli gives a 5 minutes break
Anyone actually believe brexit or no brexit, ten years of Johnson or any politician you can name, we can actually stop diminishing in this world? That we can turn it around?
I was there temporarily, we were always going to return home to England (and we did). An immigrant is someone who intends to settle permanently in their new country and we didn't.
Taiwan will be next, whether by force or otherwise. What should we do?
Adele has won...beating Bono and Madonna
Castaldo (Italy's 5 Stars Movement) wins the final Parliament Vice President slot.
Vice Presidents are
5 EPP
3 S&D
2 Renew
2 Greens
1 GUE
1 Not attached
No VP for ECR and ID Like the Deputy Speakers in the Commons, they chair the plenary when President is not there.
They are all part of the Bureau along President and Quaestors (5 to be elected tomorrow). Bureau does some administrative and management tasks about EU Parliament workings.
The 3 Senior VPs are part of the Conciliation Committee that must find agreement when Psrliament and Council don't agree on a legislative text.
In the US it is still only rarely used because of the cost.
President and Vice-Presidents of the Parliament are basically Speaker and Deputy Speakers in your case.
Examples of extra duties as part of the bureau (they are from 2014-19 term) are here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/eu-affairs/20170608STO76914/how-parliament-is-run-president-vice-presidents-and-quaestors-infographic
On the other hand, the fact that JP, once encouraged, blossomed suggests that had he been at a comprehensive and encouraged..........
Have to say, from my own experience and observation that the 11+ is a crude, and cruel, measure.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/news/flash/22641/List of committees_for CoP_rev2_en.pdf
Foreign Affairs
Agriculture and Rural Development
Budgets
Culture and Education
Development
Economic and Monetary Affairs
Employment and Social Affairs
Environment, Public Health and Food Safety
Internal Market and Consumer Protection
International Trade
Industry, Research and Energy
Legal Affairs
Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
Regional Development
Transport and Tourism
Constitutional Affairs
Fisheries
Petitions
Women’s Rights and Gender Equality
Budgetary Control
Human Rights (Subcommittee)
Security and Defence (Subcommittee)
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1146477729325506560
As far as I can tell it means you've met with other Presidents or VPs on more than one continent for lunch.
It's probably important too to have no concept of where most of the countries in the world are.
It's mainly about lunch.
I'm sure there's a better metaphor, but ATM one escapes me.