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Triplicate, actually.murali_s said:nico67 said:
Minister for the Union , good grief he thinks sticking some title on suddenly makes things okay.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1145071512287944704
He really does think he's Churchill
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And I'd have left them all up. It's correct and worth repeating...0 -
We heard all that before the vote in 2016.nico67 said:
Wow you found one CEO and it wasn’t the normal ones wheeled out like Dyson who has pissed off to the Far East , believe in Britain ! There is no economic case for Brexit , it’s lunacy . Apart from that it’s marvelous , let’s all become second class citizens stuck on a fast sinking rock , and begging the lunatic in the WH for a deal .steve_garner said:
The CEO of Legal & General begs to differ with you. And he does not need to use four letter words when making his point.nico67 said:
Tragic ! What the fuck has happened to the UK .viewcode said:
A country preparing for a continual stream of failures by selecting a scapegoat to blame whilst igniting a culture war. You know. Our country. That one...nico67 said:I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .
What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !
Sorry for the language but really I despair at how the UK has gone from London 2012 to this .0 -
Boris is at least used to being blown hard.Scott_P said:
It's the whole country he's going to screw though.
I feel a bit like the Southerner who wrote in the dog days of the Confedaracy, 'Calhoun and Clay are gone and have left us in the hands of madmen and demagogues.'0 -
My business colleague, who is 60, is not exactly a fitness freak, but is a regular at the gym. He shares the same fitness trainer as Corbyn, and is rather annoyed that the trainer says Corbyn is the fitter of the two.....Pulpstar said:With the Corbyn frail claims and the talk of Boris putting a stone back on, perhaps a 10k run to decide who gets into #10 ?
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Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Yes, I've been thinking about that. The opinion poll scores for the Lib Dems have improved after they have done well in recent elections, not in advance, as though the success in elections gives people permission to tell pollsters that they will vote Lib Dem.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....
So, before the locals, the Lib Dems were still polling in a range of 6-13%, only very slightly up from their levels in 2017 and 2018.
Immediately after the locals they jumped up to a new range of 11-18% (+5) and haven't been below 11% since, and stayed in that range until the European elections.
Immediately after the European elections they jumped to a new range of 16-24% (+5) and haven't been below 16% since.
A by-election in the middle of the summer holidays might not receive as much attention, but it looks like it could knock the Lib Dems up to another level in the polling. Naively you could extrapolate to 21-28%. It's not like Labour is providing good reasons for anti-Boris, anti-Brexit voters to support them.0 -
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
The scale pf the Brexit party and Conservative party suggests otherwise. Sure, not as left wing as the Corbynites, but to the left of the political centre. Just wanting a more just and equitable society without wrecking the economy.dixiedean said:
People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....0 -
Many on the left voted LD during the Euro elections. Otherwise, they could not have got 22%. Particularly, in London.Foxy said:
The scale pf the Brexit party and Conservative party suggests otherwise. Sure, not as left wing as the Corbynites, but to the left of the political centre. Just wanting a more just and equitable society without wrecking the economy.dixiedean said:
People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....0 -
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He'll pull out his wand and shout, 'izzy, wizzy, let's get busy!'surbiton19 said:
And we'll have to hope he's not in the presence of any young ladies as they might misundetand him.0 -
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
This would be the beginning, not the end of the Civil Service purge. It will prepare us for Brexit as well as Stalin's purges prepared the Red army for Barbarossa.Scott_P said:0 -
On any objective measure they are the centre. Unless you judge everyone left of the median voter to be "left", and thereby deny the existence of any Centrists. And even then, unless Brexit+Con+UKIP = >50%, by that criterion, some LDs will be on the Right.Foxy said:
The scale pf the Brexit party and Conservative party suggests otherwise. Sure, not as left wing as the Corbynites, but to the left of the political centre. Just wanting a more just and equitable society without wrecking the economy.dixiedean said:
People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....0 -
Boris is quite prepared to sign up for a FTA, Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement after all and will let Northern Ireland voters decide on the backstop by referendumFoxy said:0 -
Evening all
I cautioned the LDs about not taking a win in B&R for granted but it's fair to say there is a big effort going on. The swing needed is just shy of 10% but the current YouGov suggests a 16% swing from Conservative to Lib Dem. It's also interesting to note the 1985 by-election win for Richard Livsey saw a strong Labour effort to finishe second just 559 votes short and in 1987 Livsey held on from the Conservatives by just 56 votes before losing it in 1992 by 130.
As HYUFD correctly states, the 2017 Conservative vote share was the highest since WW2 - fractionally higher than 1983 but of course the high vote share in 1983 didn't stop the Conservatives falling to third in the 1985 by-election with 27.7%, their worst vote share since 1945.0 -
Good then Boris can get the overall majority he needs to pass the Withdrawal Agreementsurbiton19 said:0 -
On Brexit the LDs are certainly not in the centre but on the die hard Remainer, stop Brexit completely extreme.dixiedean said:
On any objective measure they are the centre. Unless you judge everyone left of the median voter to be "left", and thereby deny the existence of any Centrists. And even then, unless Brexit+Con+UKIP = >50%, by that criterion, some LDs will be on the Right.Foxy said:
The scale pf the Brexit party and Conservative party suggests otherwise. Sure, not as left wing as the Corbynites, but to the left of the political centre. Just wanting a more just and equitable society without wrecking the economy.dixiedean said:
People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....
Corbyn is more centrist on Brexit than the LDs0 -
Bizzy Lizzy had to be touching her flower when she made that spell. Which for Boris is creepily appropriate.ydoethur said:
He'll pull out his wand and shout, 'izzy, wizzy, let's get busy!'surbiton19 said:
And we'll have to hope he's not in the presence of any young ladies as they might misundetand him.0 -
That's just bloody stupid. Plenty of people who don't really like Brexit voted for it. If the people who said they believed in it actually followed up their words with actions, we'd already have Brexited.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This prioritisation of purity of belief - which let us not forget Boris does not meet the true test of many Leavers, because he voted for the 'surrender document', and who really believes prior to the referendum he was firmly committed to the idea - is remarkably silly, and that otherwise sensible people buy into the fact that believing hard enough makes something likely to happen is nothing short of tragic.
And let's not insult May by saying she did not beleive in Brexit. As incompetent as she was you don't fight that hard that long to deliver something without believing in it, whatever her original vote was. The charge that others don't believe enough and that's why we don't have Brexit is nothing more than the most transparent displacement activity from people (and those who support them) who actively stymied our efforts to leave, but want to get self righteous about how they are the true leavers.
Now, if you will excuse me, I am going for a midnight stroll across a lake, because I believe really hard I can walk on water. What? You cannot do it? Well, that's because you don't believe in it enough and are trying to undermine my glorious achievement to come.2 -
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
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Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want-1 -
Good grief . More vacuous guff. Does Bozo seriously think that leaving without a deal and a huge rupture with the EU is going to unite the country .HYUFD said:1 -
Belief on its own is not enough. You need hard work, preparation, planning and attention to detail, none of which Boris is famed for. If belief alone was enough we would have more priests and fewer doctors.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Probably the most right wing member of the Parliamentary LD party is Chukka. There is considerable overlap between the LD party and the moderate wing of Labour. The difference is more on priorities and means.dixiedean said:
On any objective measure they are the centre. Unless you judge everyone left of the median voter to be "left", and thereby deny the existence of any Centrists. And even then, unless Brexit+Con+UKIP = >50%, by that criterion, some LDs will be on the Right.Foxy said:
The scale pf the Brexit party and Conservative party suggests otherwise. Sure, not as left wing as the Corbynites, but to the left of the political centre. Just wanting a more just and equitable society without wrecking the economy.dixiedean said:
People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....0 -
And many MPs and many many of the members voting for him want nothing at all to do with anything even remotely similar to the WA. He may be more pragmatic than they are, but they will make him PM and bring him down if he upsets them. Boris is brave enough to go against that? When as you yourself have correctly pointed out, full throated no deal backing is more akin to what they want and more likely to coax back BXP voters?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
May backed Remain and believed in an Oily Robbins half baked civil servant diluted Brexit.kle4 said:
That's just bloody stupid. Plenty of people who don't really like Brexit voted for it. If the people who said they believed in it actually followed up their words with actions, we'd already have Brexited.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This prioritisation of purity of belief - which let us not forget Boris does not meet the true test of many Leavers, because he voted for the 'surrender document', and who really believes prior to the referendum he was firmly committed to the idea - is remarkably silly, and that otherwise sensible people buy into the fact that believing hard enough makes something likely to happen is nothing short of tragic.
And let's not insult May by saying she did not beleive in Brexit. As incompetent as she was you don't fight that hard that long to deliver something without believing in it, whatever her original vote was. The charge that others don't believe enough and that's why we don't have Brexit is nothing more than the most transparent displacement activity from people (and those who support them) who actively stymied our efforts to leave, but want to get self righteous about how they are the true leavers.
Now, if you will excuse me, I am going for a midnight stroll across a lake, because I believe really hard I can walk on water. What? You cannot do it? Well, that's because you don't believe in it enough and are trying to undermine my glorious achievement to come.
She got the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris who actually campaigned for Leave to deliver the full fat Brexit with all the trimmings and GB FTA with the EU but outside the Single Market and Customs Union most Leave voters voted for0 -
No of course not, but in fairness all politicians talk about their option uniting the country, and it is ridiculous whoever says it - Swinson was talking about remain uniting the country, but of course all the no deal and other leavers are hardly united by that.nico67 said:
Good grief . More vacuous guff. Does Bozo seriously think that leaving without a deal and a huge rupture with the EU is going to unite the country .HYUFD said:
They keep saying it because who wants to advocate disuniting us, but we all know unity is not on the cards here, not on this issue.1 -
Precisely. The LDs are on the extreme Remain wing, Corbyn in the middle. On everything else they are Centrists. Therefore, those on the left, (or right), who are extreme Remainers will find voting for them easy.HYUFD said:
On Brexit the LDs are certainly not in the centre but on the die hard Remainer, stop Brexit completely extreme.dixiedean said:
On any objective measure they are the centre. Unless you judge everyone left of the median voter to be "left", and thereby deny the existence of any Centrists. And even then, unless Brexit+Con+UKIP = >50%, by that criterion, some LDs will be on the Right.Foxy said:
The scale pf the Brexit party and Conservative party suggests otherwise. Sure, not as left wing as the Corbynites, but to the left of the political centre. Just wanting a more just and equitable society without wrecking the economy.dixiedean said:
People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.Andrew said:I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.
Add on a fresh face as new leader....
Corbyn is more centrist on Brexit than the LDs0 -
With stated reluctance and his stall is now to appeal to everyone who wants nothing to do with itHYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
May did the detail of the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris to actually win a majority for Brexit to get a Commons majority to get it passedDougSeal said:
Belief on its own is not enough. You need hard work, preparation, planning and attention to detail, none of which Boris is famed for. If belief alone was enough we would have more priests and fewer doctors.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
After having previously resigned from Cabinet because he opposed it.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
How can anyone support this joker?0 -
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Only Robbins did what he was told to do by May , he didn’t act unilaterally . And what trimmings . There will be no FTA with the EU unless the Irish border issue is resolved .HYUFD said:
May backed Remain and believed in an Oily Robbins half baked civil servant diluted Brexit.kle4 said:
That's just bloody stupid. Plenty of people who don't really like Brexit voted for it. If the people who said they believed in it actually followed up their words with actions, we'd already have Brexited.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This prioritisation of purity of belief - which let us not forget Boris does not meet the true test of many Leavers, because he voted for the 'surrender document', and who really believes prior to the referendum he was firmly committed to the idea - is remarkably silly, and that otherwise sensible people buy into the fact that believing hard enough makes something likely to happen is nothing short of tragic.
And let's not insult May by saying she did not beleive in Brexit. As incompetent as she was you don't fight that hard that long to deliver something without believing in it, whatever her original vote was. The charge that others don't believe enough and that's why we don't have Brexit is nothing more than the most transparent displacement activity from people (and those who support them) who actively stymied our efforts to leave, but want to get self righteous about how they are the true leavers.
Now, if you will excuse me, I am going for a midnight stroll across a lake, because I believe really hard I can walk on water. What? You cannot do it? Well, that's because you don't believe in it enough and are trying to undermine my glorious achievement to come.
She got the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris who actually campaigned for Leave to deliver the full fat Brexit with all the trimmings and GB FTA with the EU but outside the Single Market and Customs Union most Leave voters voted for
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No, most Tory and Leave voters want a FTA for GB which Boris will win a majority to deliver.kle4 said:
And many MPs and many many of the members voting for him want nothing at all to do with anything even remotely similar to the WA. He may be more pragmatic than they are, but they will make him PM and bring him down if he upsets them. Boris is brave enough to go against that? When as you yourself have correctly pointed out, full throated no deal backing is more akin to what they want and more likely to coax back BXP voters?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Only about 10% of voters at most and diehard No Deal and Brexit Party fanatics.
It was Boris, not Farage who won the referendum for Leave and it will be Boris not Farage who delivers Brexit0 -
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
He doesn’t want the damn thing. He resigned from cabinet because he opposed it and is actively seeking the votes of those who are implacably opposed to it. He’s more popular outside the Commons than in. There’s no way he’ll get the WA through and I doubt he’ll even try.HYUFD said:
May did the detail of the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris to actually win a majority for Brexit to get a Commons majority to get it passedDougSeal said:
Belief on its own is not enough. You need hard work, preparation, planning and attention to detail, none of which Boris is famed for. If belief alone was enough we would have more priests and fewer doctors.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Quite. I don't really understand this supposed strategy, wherein everyone who wants the WA scrapped or massively changed will sit back quietly as Boris wins a GE promising a willingness to go as hard as needed, and then will go back with the WA plus some tweaks of varying size (assuming that will even happen).DougSeal said:
With stated reluctance and his stall is now to appeal to everyone who wants nothing to do with itHYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
It's a strategy which relies upon dozens of rebels, who might be joined by even more who share their firm opposition to the WA in any form, not hearing the plans of others to pass the WA after all. They'll riot long before a GE if they get wind this is the plan, and are not likely to simply take his word for it.
Apparently he did not notice it might be that or no Brexit until he heard it for the thousandth time. And this is a guy who clearly thinks himself incredibly bright, and regarded by others as deeply insightful.SandyRentool said:
After having previously resigned from Cabinet because he opposed it.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
I don’t think that post will age well but we shall see.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Plenty of Withdrawal Agreement supporters, MPs and members are voting for Boris, including me.DougSeal said:
With stated reluctance and his stall is now to appeal to everyone who wants nothing to do with itHYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Boris said No Deal was 'a million to one shot' last week for a reason0 -
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GBnico67 said:
Only Robbins did what he was told to do by May , he didn’t act unilaterally . And what trimmings . There will be no FTA with the EU unless the Irish border issue is resolved .HYUFD said:
May backed Remain and believed in an Oily Robbins half baked civil servant diluted Brexit.kle4 said:
That's just bloody stupid. Plenty of people who don't really like Brexit voted for it. If the people who said they believed in it actually followed up their words with actions, we'd already have Brexited.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This prioritisation of purity of belief - which let us not forget Boris does not meet the true test of many Leavers, because he voted for the 'surrender document', and who really believes prior to the referendum he was firmly committed to the idea - is remarkably silly, and that otherwise sensible people buy into the fact that believing hard enough makes something likely to happen is nothing short of tragic.
And let's not insult May by saying she did not beleive in Brexit. As incompetent as she was you don't fight that hard that long to deliver something without believing in it, whatever her original vote was. The charge that others don't believe enough and that's why we don't have Brexit is nothing more than the most transparent displacement activity from people (and those who support them) who actively stymied our efforts to leave, but want to get self righteous about how they are the true leavers.
Now, if you will excuse me, I am going for a midnight stroll across a lake, because I believe really hard I can walk on water. What? You cannot do it? Well, that's because you don't believe in it enough and are trying to undermine my glorious achievement to come.
She got the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris who actually campaigned for Leave to deliver the full fat Brexit with all the trimmings and GB FTA with the EU but outside the Single Market and Customs Union most Leave voters voted for0 -
Because he's a twat?HYUFD said:DougSeal said:
With stated reluctance and his stall is now to appeal to everyone who wants nothing to do with itHYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Boris said No Deal was 'a million to one shot' last week for a reason
Night all.0 -
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 and said last week No Deal is 'a million to one shot.'DougSeal said:
He doesn’t want the damn thing. He resigned from cabinet because he opposed it and is actively seeking the votes of those who are implacably opposed to it. He’s more popular outside the Commons than in. There’s no way he’ll get the WA through and I doubt he’ll even try.HYUFD said:
May did the detail of the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris to actually win a majority for Brexit to get a Commons majority to get it passedDougSeal said:
Belief on its own is not enough. You need hard work, preparation, planning and attention to detail, none of which Boris is famed for. If belief alone was enough we would have more priests and fewer doctors.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
He will remove the temporary Customs Union for GB then pass the Withdrawal Agreement0 -
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest the Conservatives can win a working majority under Boris. None. I mean I hope he does call an election so we can get rid of the party that has caused this mess, and I don’t want to interrupt an enemy when he’s making a mistake, but if I were you I would be careful what you wish for.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
You can't do anything if you don't believe in it. But that doesn't mean you can do anything if you do believe in it. If you want to do something big and difficult, you need big and complicated plans.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Even if one accepts that as a scenario. Then what?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 and said last week No Deal is 'a million to one shot.'DougSeal said:
He doesn’t want the damn thing. He resigned from cabinet because he opposed it and is actively seeking the votes of those who are implacably opposed to it. He’s more popular outside the Commons than in. There’s no way he’ll get the WA through and I doubt he’ll even try.HYUFD said:
May did the detail of the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris to actually win a majority for Brexit to get a Commons majority to get it passedDougSeal said:
Belief on its own is not enough. You need hard work, preparation, planning and attention to detail, none of which Boris is famed for. If belief alone was enough we would have more priests and fewer doctors.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
He will remove the temporary Customs Union for GB then pass the Withdrawal Agreement0 -
There is no evidence from a fanatical die hard Remainer like you who are determined that the Brexit vote a majority of voters voted for must be ignored and thrown out at all costs, for the silent Leave voting majority though there is every chance of a Boris majorityDougSeal said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest the Conservatives can win a working majority under Boris. None. I mean I hope he does call an election so we can get rid of the party that has caused this mess, and I don’t want to interrupt an enemy when he’s making a mistake, but if I were you I would be careful what you wish for.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Calm down dear!HYUFD said:
There is no evidence from a fanatical die hard Remainer like you who are determined that the Brexit vote a majority of voters voted for must be ignored and thrown out at all costs, for the silent Leave voting majority though there is every chance of a Boris majorityDougSeal said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest the Conservatives can win a working majority under Boris. None. I mean I hope he does call an election so we can get rid of the party that has caused this mess, and I don’t want to interrupt an enemy when he’s making a mistake, but if I were you I would be careful what you wish for.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Big and complicated plans like those of Oily Robbins you mean and look how successful those have been at delivering Brexit! 3 months after we were due to Leave we are still in the EURecidivist said:
You can't do anything if you don't believe in it. But that doesn't mean you can do anything if you do believe in it. If you want to do something big and difficult, you need big and complicated plans.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Then we start negotiating the FTA and delivering the glorious Brexit a majority voted for of course!dixiedean said:
Even if one accepts that as a scenario. Then what?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 and said last week No Deal is 'a million to one shot.'DougSeal said:
He doesn’t want the damn thing. He resigned from cabinet because he opposed it and is actively seeking the votes of those who are implacably opposed to it. He’s more popular outside the Commons than in. There’s no way he’ll get the WA through and I doubt he’ll even try.HYUFD said:
May did the detail of the Withdrawal Agreement but it will take Boris to actually win a majority for Brexit to get a Commons majority to get it passedDougSeal said:
Belief on its own is not enough. You need hard work, preparation, planning and attention to detail, none of which Boris is famed for. If belief alone was enough we would have more priests and fewer doctors.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
He will remove the temporary Customs Union for GB then pass the Withdrawal Agreement0 -
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB0 -
Indeed. It is the difference between wanting to grow up to be a pilot and wanting to grow up to be a plane.Recidivist said:
You can't do anything if you don't believe in it. But that doesn't mean you can do anything if you do believe in it. If you want to do something big and difficult, you need big and complicated plans.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=190 -
Not a good idea. Some of them have friends in the UVF!HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB0 -
One way or another it will.nico67 said:
Good grief . More vacuous guff. Does Bozo seriously think that leaving without a deal and a huge rupture with the EU is going to unite the country .HYUFD said:
If Project Fear turns out to be overblown nonsense yet again the country will move on and unite.
If it turns out to have been accurate warnings and his premiership is a disaster then the country will unite to remove him.1 -
Well he certainly wasn’t offering actual odds.SandyRentool said:
Because he's a twat?HYUFD said:
Boris said No Deal was 'a million to one shot' last week for a reasonDougSeal said:
With stated reluctance and his stall is now to appeal to everyone who wants nothing to do with itHYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Night all.
Does HYUFD believe that Boris is some kind of unicorn ? He seems to ascribe almost magical abilities to him.
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Boris can't win a majority pre-Brexit though.HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB
Farage will only stand aside if Boris pledges a "clean Brexit". Which vetoes your plan.0 -
The insult you’re looking for is metropolitan liberal elitist. I’ve wanted to rejoin EFTA since I did EU law at law school but you keep believing what you like about me. There is no evidence from me that Boris can win a working majority as there is no polling evidence at all. His personal ratings outside the Conservative party are absolutely dreadful.HYUFD said:
There is no evidence from a fanatical die hard Remainer like you who are determined that the Brexit vote a majority of voters voted for must be ignored and thrown out at all costs, for the silent Leave voting majority though there is every chance of a Boris majorityDougSeal said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest the Conservatives can win a working majority under Boris. None. I mean I hope he does call an election so we can get rid of the party that has caused this mess, and I don’t want to interrupt an enemy when he’s making a mistake, but if I were you I would be careful what you wish for.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Now, to paraphrase Governor Tarkin, I grow tired of saying this, so I will say this only once, but there is no “Brexit a majority of voters voted for”. That’s the problem with this catastrophe. No one had an idea of a destination after leaving. I want to go to EFTA but apparently that is not “real” Brexit so, reluctantly, I now back remain.0 -
anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.0 -
This post brings me much schadenfreude.nico67 said:
Tragic ! What the fuck has happened to the UK .viewcode said:
A country preparing for a continual stream of failures by selecting a scapegoat to blame whilst igniting a culture war. You know. Our country. That one...nico67 said:I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .
What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !
Sorry for the language but really I despair at how the UK has gone from London 2012 to this .0 -
Farage won't stand aside whatever Boris promises on Brexit unless Boris personally blocks up the Channel Tunnel.Philip_Thompson said:
Boris can't win a majority pre-Brexit though.HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB
Farage will only stand aside if Boris pledges a "clean Brexit". Which vetoes your plan.
However Boris can ignore Farage and win a majority on a Brexit with a Deal or No Deal platform in October, just as Cameron ignored Farage and won a majority in 2015.
It was Boris who won the referendum for Leave not Farage had Farage been leading the Leave campaign then Leave would likely have lost0 -
More likely, there will be a host of people for whom it has benign or negligible effects who will retain their previous views. And a host of others who will be adversely affected who will be incensed, whether they feel betrayed or vindicated.Philip_Thompson said:
One way or another it will.nico67 said:
Good grief . More vacuous guff. Does Bozo seriously think that leaving without a deal and a huge rupture with the EU is going to unite the country .HYUFD said:
If Project Fear turns out to be overblown nonsense yet again the country will move on and unite.
If it turns out to have been accurate warnings and his premiership is a disaster then the country will unite to remove him.0 -
Recidivist said:
You can't do anything if you don't believe in it. But that doesn't mean you can do anything if you do believe in it. If you want to do something big and difficult, you need big and complicated plans.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
You can actually. If you’re want to make any money as a barrister you need to be able to win cases you don’t believe in as much as the ones you do. The current coach of England RU was not appointed on the basis of his “passion” for the country but because he can organise a rugby team.0 -
I’m happy for you ! Really if you think the world looks at the UK the same way it did in 2012 then you’re deluded .Philip_Thompson said:
This post brings me much schadenfreude.nico67 said:
Tragic ! What the fuck has happened to the UK .viewcode said:
A country preparing for a continual stream of failures by selecting a scapegoat to blame whilst igniting a culture war. You know. Our country. That one...nico67 said:I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .
What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !
Sorry for the language but really I despair at how the UK has gone from London 2012 to this .
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UKIP weren't polling 23% in 2015.HYUFD said:
Farage won't stand aside whatever Boris promises on Brexit unless Boris personally blocks up the Channel Tunnel.Philip_Thompson said:
Boris can't win a majority pre-Brexit though.HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB
Farage will only stand aside if Boris pledges a "clean Brexit". Which vetoes your plan.
However Boris can ignore Farage and win a majority on a Brexit with a Deal or No Deal platform in October, just as Cameron ignored Farage and won a majority in 2015.
It was Boris who won the referendum for Leave not Farage had Farage been leading the Leave campaign then Leave would likely have lost0 -
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong0 -
Well Cameron didn't exactly ignore Farage. He shot Farage's fox by promising the referenfum and that worked out really well.HYUFD said:
Farage won't stand aside whatever Boris promises on Brexit unless Boris personally blocks up the Channel Tunnel.Philip_Thompson said:
Boris can't win a majority pre-Brexit though.HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB
Farage will only stand aside if Boris pledges a "clean Brexit". Which vetoes your plan.
However Boris can ignore Farage and win a majority on a Brexit with a Deal or No Deal platform in October, just as Cameron ignored Farage and won a majority in 2015.
It was Boris who won the referendum for Leave not Farage had Farage been leading the Leave campaign then Leave would likely have lost0 -
Die hard Remainers aren't but who cares!DougSeal said:anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.
Boris will be aiming to defeat them not get them to join him0 -
You voted Remain in 2016.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Okay - spin this one -HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong
https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-british-public-boris-johnson-bad-prime-minister-yougov-hunt-2019-6?r=US&IR=T0 -
The Brexit most people wanted as I have already posted is a Canada style FTADougSeal said:
The insult you’re looking for is metropolitan liberal elitist. I’ve wanted to rejoin EFTA since I did EU law at law school but you keep believing what you like about me. There is no evidence from me that Boris can win a working majority as there is no polling evidence at all. His personal ratings outside the Conservative party are absolutely dreadful.HYUFD said:
There is no evidence from a fanatical die hard Remainer like you who are determined that the Brexit vote a majority of voters voted for must be ignored and thrown out at all costs, for the silent Leave voting majority though there is every chance of a Boris majorityDougSeal said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest the Conservatives can win a working majority under Boris. None. I mean I hope he does call an election so we can get rid of the party that has caused this mess, and I don’t want to interrupt an enemy when he’s making a mistake, but if I were you I would be careful what you wish for.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Now, to paraphrase Governor Tarkin, I grow tired of saying this, so I will say this only once, but there is no “Brexit a majority of voters voted for”. That’s the problem with this catastrophe. No one had an idea of a destination after leaving. I want to go to EFTA but apparently that is not “real” Brexit so, reluctantly, I now back remain.0 -
As quoted from Gone with the Wind: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.nico67 said:
I’m happy for you ! Really if you think the world looks at the UK the same way it did in 2012 then you’re deluded .Philip_Thompson said:
This post brings me much schadenfreude.nico67 said:
Tragic ! What the fuck has happened to the UK .viewcode said:
A country preparing for a continual stream of failures by selecting a scapegoat to blame whilst igniting a culture war. You know. Our country. That one...nico67 said:I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .
What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !
Sorry for the language but really I despair at how the UK has gone from London 2012 to this .0 -
Meanwhile, here is today's "should be Daily Mash, but isn't "
https://atlantablackstar.com/2019/06/28/black-patient-accused-of-trying-to-steal-an-iv-machine-despite-following-his-doctors-order/0 -
It's too hot to bicker about Brexit/Boris.
That is all.0 -
Boris leads with Tory and Brexit Party and Leave voters, the coalition he needs to deliver Brexit.DougSeal said:
Okay - spin this one -HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong
https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-british-public-boris-johnson-bad-prime-minister-yougov-hunt-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
Hunt leads with Labour and LD and Remain voters, the coalition that wants to Stop Brexit0 -
Where's a poll showing an overall majority pre-Brexit with BXP standing and Remainers tactically voting against?HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong0 -
Labour weren't polling 20% either and polling shows Boris cuts the Brexit Party backPhilip_Thompson said:
UKIP weren't polling 23% in 2015.HYUFD said:
Farage won't stand aside whatever Boris promises on Brexit unless Boris personally blocks up the Channel Tunnel.Philip_Thompson said:
Boris can't win a majority pre-Brexit though.HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB
Farage will only stand aside if Boris pledges a "clean Brexit". Which vetoes your plan.
However Boris can ignore Farage and win a majority on a Brexit with a Deal or No Deal platform in October, just as Cameron ignored Farage and won a majority in 2015.
It was Boris who won the referendum for Leave not Farage had Farage been leading the Leave campaign then Leave would likely have lost0 -
There is no evidence that a majority of voters in 2016 wanted a “Canada style” FTA. You expressly said “a majority of voters”. There’s no evidence that’s what a majority of voters wanted. None at all. There may be some that says that’s what a majority of Leavers wanted but that is different entirely.HYUFD said:
The Brexit most people wznted as I have already posted is a Canada style FTADougSeal said:
The insult you’re looking for is metropolitan liberal elitist. I’ve wanted to rejoin EFTA since I did EU law at law school but you keep believing what you like about me. There is no evidence from me that Boris can win a working majority as there is no polling evidence at all. His personal ratings outside the Conservative party are absolutely dreadful.HYUFD said:
There is no evidence from a fanatical die hard Remainer like you who are determined that the Brexit vote a majority of voters voted for must be ignored and thrown out at all costs, for the silent Leave voting majority though there is every chance of a Boris majorityDougSeal said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest the Conservatives can win a working majority under Boris. None. I mean I hope he does call an election so we can get rid of the party that has caused this mess, and I don’t want to interrupt an enemy when he’s making a mistake, but if I were you I would be careful what you wish for.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority then sideline the Baker and Francois ERG hardliners just as he will sideline the DUP to deliver a FTA for GBOblitusSumMe said:
Yes, but he's now promising the ERG that they can exit without a deal if they vote against any deal he offers them. So why would they support him on anything other than no deal?HYUFD said:
Now, to paraphrase Governor Tarkin, I grow tired of saying this, so I will say this only once, but there is no “Brexit a majority of voters voted for”. That’s the problem with this catastrophe. No one had an idea of a destination after leaving. I want to go to EFTA but apparently that is not “real” Brexit so, reluctantly, I now back remain.0 -
My wife, who is not very interested in politics, quite liked Boris when he was mayor of London (we live in London). She thought Theresa May was doing her best but was undermined by conspiratorial men. Following recent revelations she now considers Boris a disgusting individual, how could anyone support a man who treats women so badly? I suspect she is not alone in holding this view.DougSeal said:anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.1 -
I also respect democracySunil_Prasannan said:
You voted Remain in 2016.HYUFD said:
If you have no belief in it of course you have no real chance of delivering Brexitkle4 said:
The two parts of your sentence are not connected, unless you genuinely believe 'actually believes in Brexit' has anything at all to being able to deliver it, and you don't come across as silly enough to seriously think that wanting something makes it easier to happen.HYUFD said:Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want0 -
Canada-style FTA – 22%
No Deal – 19%
Remain in EU – 16%
Chequers – 11%
Norway EEA – 11%
That’s not a majority of anyone.0 -
They weren't polling that far off it in 2017.HYUFD said:
Labour weren't polling 20% either and polling shows Boris cuts the Brexit Party backPhilip_Thompson said:
UKIP weren't polling 23% in 2015.HYUFD said:
Farage won't stand aside whatever Boris promises on Brexit unless Boris personally blocks up the Channel Tunnel.Philip_Thompson said:
Boris can't win a majority pre-Brexit though.HYUFD said:
Then Boris would win an overall majority and the DUP can be ignoredeek said:
But the DUP would withdraw from their supply agreement immediately and Boris would be VoNCed the following day...HYUFD said:
A FTA for GB resolves it by keeping the backstop for NI and removing the temporary Customs Union for GB
Farage will only stand aside if Boris pledges a "clean Brexit". Which vetoes your plan.
However Boris can ignore Farage and win a majority on a Brexit with a Deal or No Deal platform in October, just as Cameron ignored Farage and won a majority in 2015.
It was Boris who won the referendum for Leave not Farage had Farage been leading the Leave campaign then Leave would likely have lost
If you think Labour's going to finish polling 20% then I have a bridge to sell you.0 -
But there are a large section of Leavers who will not vote Tory. Whole swathes of the North, South Wales, etc. They are happy to vote Farage, but not Conservative.HYUFD said:
Die hard Remainers aren't but who cares!DougSeal said:anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.
Boris will be aiming to defeat them not get them to join him
Only one Party can take the 3 Wigan seats off Labour for example.
And it ain't led by Boris.
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I thought about voting Boris in 2008 as I thought Ken was losing it and I had had a massive row with Sian Berry (who I was at college with) a couple of years before and petulantly wanted to piss her off. I held my nose and voted for Ken.anothernick said:
My wife, who is not very interested in politics, quite liked Boris when he was mayor of London (we live in London). She thought Theresa May was doing her best but was undermined by conspiratorial men. Following recent revelations she now considers Boris a disgusting individual, how could anyone support a man who treats women so badly? I suspect she is not alone in holding this view.DougSeal said:anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.0 -
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1138551562522046464?s=20Philip_Thompson said:
Where's a poll showing an overall majority pre-Brexit with BXP standing and Remainers tactically voting against?HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong0 -
A bit of an outlier given subsequent polling don’t you think?HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1138551562522046464?s=20Philip_Thompson said:
Where's a poll showing an overall majority pre-Brexit with BXP standing and Remainers tactically voting against?HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong0 -
Fine if the Brexit Party takes Yvette Cooper's seat and Lisa Nandy's seat good for the Brexit Partydixiedean said:
But there are a large section of Leavers who will not vote Tory. Whole swathes of the North, South Wales, etc. They are happy to vote Farage, but not Conservative.HYUFD said:
Die hard Remainers aren't but who cares!DougSeal said:anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.
Boris will be aiming to defeat them not get them to join him
Only one Party can take the 3 Wigan seats off Labour for example.
And it ain't led by Boris.0 -
It was the outliers correct in 2015 and 2017DougSeal said:
A bit of an outlier given subsequent polling don’t you think?HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1138551562522046464?s=20Philip_Thompson said:
Where's a poll showing an overall majority pre-Brexit with BXP standing and Remainers tactically voting against?HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong0 -
OMG! I thought we'd buried this one.HYUFD said:
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1138551562522046464?s=20Philip_Thompson said:
Where's a poll showing an overall majority pre-Brexit with BXP standing and Remainers tactically voting against?HYUFD said:
No it isn't at all, that is polling if we have not left the EU in October NOT polling before October on a platform of leaving the EU Deal or No Deal and requesting a majority to deliver Brexit.Foxy said:
Delusional on both counts!HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
This is the polling for an October election before Brexit.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1144622315050872833?s=19
So wrong0 -
Boris' reputation as an election winner is based on his defeating Ken, who by 2008, never mind 2012, was a shop soiled candidate representing a party which was deeply unpopular nationally. And this was before Brexit had been thought of. If he ran in London today he would be slaughtered.DougSeal said:
I thought about voting Boris in 2008 as I thought Ken was losing it and I had had a massive row with Sian Berry (who I was at college with) a couple of years before and petulantly wanted to piss her off. I held my nose and voted for Ken.anothernick said:
My wife, who is not very interested in politics, quite liked Boris when he was mayor of London (we live in London). She thought Theresa May was doing her best but was undermined by conspiratorial men. Following recent revelations she now considers Boris a disgusting individual, how could anyone support a man who treats women so badly? I suspect she is not alone in holding this view.DougSeal said:anothernick said:
I see a large porcine animal levitating outside my window....HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority by October, then the WA will passFoxy said:
So in order to meet the October deadline will he whip through the WA more effectively than May? If not it is No Deal and no FTA.HYUFD said:
Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, duhDougSeal said:
How? What’s his plan? How’s he going to get an FTA without a withdrawal agreement? How is “belief” going to achieve anything? Do you believe in faith healing as well? That works on the same principles,HYUFD said:
Whinge, whinge, whinge from the diehard Remainers.Scott_P said:
Meanwhile Boris actually believes in Brexit and will get on with delivering it and the FTA for GB most voters want
Quite, Boris fans don’t understand that the rest of us are immune to his charms.0
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