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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    RobD said:

    Remember that the EU is an institution that for decades could not get its accounts signed off by its own auditor.
    They seem to be doing a bit better at trade deals than Fox and company, Faroes Islands versus South America is a bit of a shocker
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    It won't, as the Brexit Party is already polling below what it was polling at the time of the Peterborough by election and the Tories are polling above and that is even before the bounce for a new leader
    Not really. Yougov are the only regular pollster we see at present. In the days leading up to the Peterborough election that pollster had the Brexit Party on 25% and 26% as compared with 22% in their most recent poll. Some slippage but not dramatic.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    malcolmg said:

    They should bring out the Maiden for these chancers. Sooner we are free of these losers the better.
    Will you stop peddling the lie that it was an expenses error. It was deliberate fraud to cover up an overspend on a budget line by forging invoices to pass the expense of on an unrelated code. He was unwilling to dip in his own pocket to cover the ‘mistake’ so he committed a criminal offense and got caught. If his constituents buy this they are welcome to him.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    OllyT said:

    You seem to overlooking the rather large fact that the Tory vote is going to split between them and the Brexit Party.
    And some nibbling by UKIP too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    OllyT said:

    You seem to overlooking the rather large fact that the Tory vote is going to split between them and the Brexit Party.
    Have they confirmed they're standing?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,027

    The Greens have agreed to stand aside, but I don't think Plaid Cymru have yet agreed.

    The Labour voters in Powys do not live in the pretty spa towns. They are in places much closer in outlook to the Labour voters in the Don Valley.

    A statement like "current Labour voters are 75 per cent remain" may be true nationally, but I doubt if it is true in Ystradgynlais.
    We shall see, I believe enough Labour, Plaid and Green supporters will back the Lib Dems in this by-election to see them home and the Tory vote will fracture between them and the BXP.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,014

    Daily Mail comments are easy to mock but this one is a bit special:

    https://twitter.com/supermathskid/status/1144991107291521024?s=21

    You'd have to be hard boiled to want to be under the 'yolk of oppression".
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    ydoethur said:

    Evening Malcolm, trust he turnips are bearing up in this hot weather. We may be needing plenty before too long...
    Good evening Ydoethur, yes all well though weather turned here today , had thunder and lightning and a bit muggy now.
    Hopefully we will get out of this morass as soon as possible. In your wildest dreams you could not make up this sh**fest and these evil nasty Tories. England has gone radio rental.
    I pity anybody that does not have plenty of cash , anyone near breadline just now will be in serious trouble.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    The EU referendum result in Brecon & Radnor was closer to Witney than to Sleaford & North Hykeham.
    The Brexit Party won Powys and North Kesteven in the European elections, the LDs won West Oxfordshire
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    Alright Granddad.
    I can still tell when it is music and when it is utter crap you young scamp. He needs to get a pair of trousers that fit him as well or buy a belt at least , nobody wants to see his arse.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    nichomar said:

    Will you stop peddling the lie that it was an expenses error. It was deliberate fraud to cover up an overspend on a budget line by forging invoices to pass the expense of on an unrelated code. He was unwilling to dip in his own pocket to cover the ‘mistake’ so he committed a criminal offense and got caught. If his constituents buy this they are welcome to him.
    That seems a non-sequitur (as well as horrible Yankee spelling). The good MrG calls for brutal torture of the candidate, and you say he's peddling lies and being too soft?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    malcolmg said:

    Good evening Ydoethur, yes all well though weather turned here today , had thunder and lightning and a bit muggy now.
    Hopefully we will get out of this morass as soon as possible. In your wildest dreams you could not make up this sh**fest and these evil nasty Tories. England has gone radio rental.
    I pity anybody that does not have plenty of cash , anyone near breadline just now will be in serious trouble.
    It's times like this when you think Cromwell had a point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    justin124 said:

    Not really. Yougov are the only regular pollster we see at present. In the days leading up to the Peterborough election that pollster had the Brexit Party on 25% and 26% as compared with 22% in their most recent poll. Some slippage but not dramatic.
    Quite a significant change actually given the Tories were on 18% with Yougov before the Peterborough by election, the Tories are on 22% in the latest Yougov
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    edited June 2019

    Daily Mail comments are easy to mock but this one is a bit special:

    https://twitter.com/supermathskid/status/1144991107291521024?s=21

    Bobby has it right , they should get a real job.
    PS: Clever him posting from the other side
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967

    Daily Mail comments are easy to mock but this one is a bit special:

    https://twitter.com/supermathskid/status/1144991107291521024?s=21

    Yet another expat. Why do we allow these people to vote here?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    edited June 2019
    OllyT said:

    You seem to overlooking the rather large fact that the Tory vote is going to split between them and the Brexit Party.
    The Tories are now no longer behind the BP in the latest polling and will get a further bounce from the BP if PM Boris as he is committed to Brexit Deal or No Deal in October
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Zephyr said:

    Absolutely. I agree there is no greater crime than hypocrisy, except maybe the refusal to uphold values because one may oneself have fallen short of them. Is this epidemic of knife crime fuelled by demand for cocaine as police chiefs ask us to believe disputed anymore? Or that as conservative politicians ask us to believe, middle-class professionals push to liberalise drugs laws to deal with their own guilt over taking drugs? We agree Onasanya’s crime and hypocrisy is right at the top of the list, but why don’t you have a politician telling us drug laws are there for a reason, publicly legislating to that whilst privately floating those laws, at the top of the list alongside Onasanya?

    Point of order: There is no evidence that has happened. As far as I know no politician has either confessed to, or been found guilty of, flouwing drug laws whilst telling us drug laws are there for a reason and publicly legislating to that effect.

    Gove's confessions were for when he was a young man in journalism decades prior not that he was doing it whilst a leading politician.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    nichomar said:

    Will you stop peddling the lie that it was an expenses error. It was deliberate fraud to cover up an overspend on a budget line by forging invoices to pass the expense of on an unrelated code. He was unwilling to dip in his own pocket to cover the ‘mistake’ so he committed a criminal offense and got caught. If his constituents buy this they are welcome to him.
    Hmmm, I do not believe supporting him having his head removed by a badly designed guillotine is peddling a lie.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,171
    IanB2 said:

    Yet another expat. Why do we allow these people to vote here?
    Surely it's a parody post? (But then I wouldn't be surprised if it was real either)
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,027
    edited June 2019
    justin124 said:

    Even if it were true, it is far too simplistic to assume that being 'Remain' or 'Leave' is likely to be the main determinant of how such people will vote. Labour voters are far less obsessed with Brexit than Tories.
    Quite and many will take the chance to boot out a Tory, especially one caught out on expenses fraud.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    malcolmg said:

    Hmmm, I do not believe supporting him having his head removed by a badly designed guillotine is peddling a lie.
    If it's badly designed, would it remove his head?

    And if it were used on say, Boris, would it remove the area where he keeps his brains, or just his head?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Zephyr said:

    I agree with you. We have had 3 (?) and it does seem to be working. But one person being charged, another not, especially with historical crimes, can it be a bit arbitrary? Dick looked into Gove’s admission herself and concluded not enough to prosecute.

    And when it comes to sex crimes, how are they going to be gauged? Politicians tend to herd together when one of there own is accused of such things. I feel there’s little to stop it becoming more spurious, the driving force behind recalls can be people as neutral as school governors, or neutral as governors of the BBC, and the number of unaffiliated voters needed for successful recall can be very small.

    And it can also be cultural as much as legal, where for example most people in this country wouldn’t currently regard Goves crime on a par with Onasayna’s, the population of another country, or even this country in future, might view it differently?

    Who was charged for "historical" crimes?

    Davies was charged for recently making fraudulant expenses whilst an MP.
    Osanaya was charged for recently perverting the course of justice whilst an MP.
    Gove was not charged for decades previously taking illicit drugs when he wasn't an MP.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    Point of order: There is no evidence that has happened. As far as I know no politician has either confessed to, or been found guilty of, flouwing drug laws whilst telling us drug laws are there for a reason and publicly legislating to that effect.

    Gove's confessions were for when he was a young man in journalism decades prior not that he was doing it whilst a leading politician.
    He is still a hypocritical little slimy creep though.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,967
    edited June 2019
    CatMan said:

    Surely it's a parody post? (But then I wouldn't be surprised if it was real either)
    Doesn’t really matter. We have seen enough nonsense from ex pats on here to question why they should still vote here. You live here, you vote here; you don’t, you don’t. As and when they return, they get the vote back. I can’t see the logic in sending ballot papers to people who live and work all round the world.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    ydoethur said:

    If it's badly designed, would it remove his head?

    And if it were used on say, Boris, would it remove the area where he keeps his brains, or just his head?
    They do say it was a bit crude and not very pleasant , much worse than the later French version. Need to be a big sharp one to get through Boris's brass neck.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    OllyT said:

    Quite and many will take the chance to boot out a Tory, especially one caught out on expenses fraud.
    In any other sphere he would be at her Majesty's pleasure. That the Tories put him back up after he has committed fraud and fiddled his expenses shows exactly their moral compass. If that was someone on benefits the Tories would have wanted him put away for life.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    IanB2 said:

    Doesn’t really matter. We have seen enough nonsense from ex pats on here to question why they should still vote here. You live here, you vote here; you don’t, you don’t. As and when they return, they get the vote back. I can’t see the logic in sending ballot papers to people who live and work all round the world.
    It is a disgrace
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    malcolmg said:

    He is still a hypocritical little slimy creep though.
    It's the 'trust' thing though. Keeping his word. We're British after all!

    I'm curious Mr G, Malcom as to whether there are Tory politicians that you don't disapprove of entirely? (There may be none, and that's understandable)
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,027
    ydoethur said:

    Have they confirmed they're standing?
    Good point. I just assumed they would be. Why would Farage duck it?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    edited June 2019
    Omnium said:

    It's the 'trust' thing though. Keeping his word. We're British after all!

    I'm curious Mr G, Malcom as to whether there are Tory politicians that you don't disapprove of entirely? (There may be none, and that's understandable)
    I like Ken Clarke he is the only one I can see who has a heart. The amount of lying unprincipled toerags in the Tories, MP's and MSP's is shocking.
    PS: I am sure there are a few I have never heard of who are half decent but certainly not in public. The Scottish ones are particularly dire.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    edited June 2019
    OllyT said:

    Good point. I just assumed they would be. Why would Farage duck it?
    He'd lose. Badly. As in probably fourth. And if the vote for the Brexit Party was greater than a Liberal Democrat margin of victory, he would face rather awkward questions.

    They would need a local candidate to stand any chance at all. The question is whether they can find one.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,171
    edited June 2019
    OllyT said:

    Good point. I just assumed they would be. Why would Farage duck it?
    Brexit party are standing:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48810457
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    malcolmg said:

    I like Ken Clarke he is the only one I can see who has a heart. The amount of lying unprincipled toerags in the Tories, MP's and MSP's is shocking.
    Ah, we all like Ken Clarke. A warm sort of snuggly MP. Those Hush-Puppies!

    I too disapprove of pretty much everything, and his wife, currently.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited June 2019
    CatMan said:
    Choosing a former Police Chief Superintendent to stand against a convict . . .
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    edited June 2019
    IanB2 said:

    Yet another expat. Why do we allow these people to vote here?
    One hopes you're joking but why would anyone want to deny UK citizens who pay UK taxes the right to vote?

    Edit: I see you're not joking so I have my answer - you don't believe in democracy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087

    Choosing a former Police Chief Superintendent to stand against a convict . . .
    So there's going to be a dangerous person with no morals in the race.

    Up against Chris Davies.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,171
    edited June 2019

    Choosing a former Police Chief Superintendent to stand against a convict . . .
    Not sure if he's squeaky clean (if it's the same guy)...

    https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1144946211453112323
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    felix said:

    One hopes you're joking but why would anyone want to deny UK citizens who pay UK taxes the right to vote?
    If you have a residence in the UK and pay taxes then it is reasonable. However if little to no connection then it is a joke.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:

    The amount of lying unprincipled toerags in the Tories, MP's and MSP's is shocking.

    How many have been forced to quit, as a percentage, compared to other parties like the SNP, for example...?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    malcolmg said:

    If you have a residence in the UK and pay taxes then it is reasonable. However if little to no connection then it is a joke.
    The law says there is a right to vote for currently up to 15 years as long as you retain citizenship. A legal right to vote is something too important to joke about. The attempt to stigmatise those of us who choose to live outside the UK while we continue to pay taxes is unpleasant and unworthy particularly of those who claim to support the EU. I do not refer to you there.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    It would be ironic if the main effect of the emergence of the Brexit party was to split the Leave vote and act as a catalyst to get Remainers to cooperate so that Remain’s control of Parliament was strengthened.

    Shhhhh...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    IanB2 said:

    Yet another expat. Why do we allow these people to vote here?
    Geolocated to Moscow, perhaps?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Brexit rebel MP Sarah Wollaston ‘prepared to step down’ to help a remain alliance

    The MP for Totnes says politicians should urgently prepare for the likelihood of a ‘populist’ autumn election"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/29/brexit-rebel-sara-wollaston-would-stand-aside-for-a-remain-alliance-candidate
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,243

    You'd have to be hard boiled to want to be under the 'yolk of oppression".
    Breggsit means Breggsit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087

    Breggsit means Breggsit.
    I'm sure that's not white. But Brexiteers shell probably answer for themselves.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    ydoethur said:

    I'm sure that's not white. But Brexiteers shell probably answer for themselves.
    By glossing over the truth?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,972
    ydoethur said:

    I'm sure that's not white. But Brexiteers shell probably answer for themselves.
    Standing ova...tion.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,067

    Daily Mail comments are easy to mock but this one is a bit special:

    https://twitter.com/supermathskid/status/1144991107291521024?s=21

    Ummm. The Killers are from Las Vegas.

    Still, I loved their Ode to Free Trade in B Minor.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    Nigelb said:

    Standing ova...tion.
    For that, you get the sac.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,961
    ydoethur said:

    For that, you get the sac.
    Eggs-ellent!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    viewcode said:

    Eggs-ellent!
    I'm worried there's a whisk we might get carried away with egg puns here. Can't we think of something batter?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,972
    edited June 2019
    ydoethur said:

    I'm worried there's a whisk we might get carried away with egg puns here. Can't we think of something batter?
    I’ll scramble to it.


    Though I may have to poach a few ideas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Shhhhh...
    Actually the main effect of the Brexit Party is to force the Tory Party to almost certainly elect a leader who both campaigned for and believes in Brexit ie Boris while Corbyn still refuses to commit to EUref2 for fear of losing Labour Leave seats
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    viewcode said:

    Eggs-ellent!
    En-oeuf with the egg jokes, for God's sake!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,972
    blueblue said:

    En-oeuf with the egg jokes, for God's sake!
    You suggesting we just retreat into our shells ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,972
    ydoethur said:

    So there's going to be a dangerous person with no morals in the race...
    On the plus side, Boris isn’t running.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955
    I’m sure Brexiters will be overjoyed at the news of Robbins departure . They seem to have assumed he was acting independently and he seemed to have got a lot of flak for simply doing what May wanted .

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Why didn’t Jeremy Corbyn go to Glastonbury this year? Couldn’t he find his wellies? Was it too late to hire a yurt? Or is he hiding from Remain supporters? Again.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/29/jeremy-corbyn-shuns-glastonbury-no-one-cares-remainers-have-moved-on
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/06/28/lgbt-labour-homophobia-west-ham/

    Colour me pink and not a bit surprised. What does Owen Jones have to say about it?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955
    I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .

    What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    The sense of crisis engulfing Labour deepened further last night when shadow education secretary Angela Rayner, a Jeremy Corbyn loyalist, broke cover to express her dismay at Labour’s handling of antisemitism. The shadow cabinet was “totally exasperated by the failure of our movement to be able to deal with this issue”, she said.

    In an extroardinary outburst at a Fabian Society conference, Rayner said she was “absolutely embarrassed by what’s happened over the last few days and I’ve made my representations very clear. If that means setting up an independent system, then so be it... let’s just get on and do it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/29/mps-tell-jeremy-corbyn-get-grip-or-lose-election-antisemitism

    Well we all know how well the "Independent" inquiry went.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,961
    Scott_P said:
    Mr Johnson's transition team are preparing to request Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and EU Brexit chief Michel Barnier come to Downing Street as one as the new administration's first act"

    Oh Christ. They're either not going to come, in which case Johnson will blame them, or they will come and say "No" to renegotiation, in which Johnson will blame them. Our Glorious Brexit Future.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    Nigelb said:

    On the plus side, Boris isn’t running.
    Why? Has he got too fat or is he switching full time to the horizontal jogging?
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    I keep on reading that Johnson will call a GE because Corbyn "has to" be seen to be agreeing to one.

    What if Corbyn replies as follows: "Yes ! But first pass a bill which makes a No-Deal Brexit unlawful and would require a minimum 55% of MPs to overturn it"


    Then, he could not be seen ducking it.
  • nico67 said:

    I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .

    What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !

    A country which starts a war?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,095
    With the Corbyn frail claims and the talk of Boris putting a stone back on, perhaps a 10k run to decide who gets into #10 ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,400

    Why didn’t Jeremy Corbyn go to Glastonbury this year? Couldn’t he find his wellies? Was it too late to hire a yurt? Or is he hiding from Remain supporters? Again.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/29/jeremy-corbyn-shuns-glastonbury-no-one-cares-remainers-have-moved-on

    Jezza is so 2017 :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,400
    nico67 said:

    I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .

    What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !

    "You started it! You invaded Poland!" :lol:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    Pulpstar said:

    With the Corbyn frail claims and the talk of Boris putting a stone back on, perhaps a 10k run to decide who gets into #10 ?

    Corbyn would win that very easily.

    Of course he might drop dead immediately afterwards, but that can happen to the healthiest person, and he would still have won.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,885
    Pulpstar said:

    With the Corbyn frail claims and the talk of Boris putting a stone back on, perhaps a 10k run to decide who gets into #10 ?

    Did wonder why he didn't challenge Boris instead of moaning. Only one of them looks in good shape for their age.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    HYUFD said:



    The Brexit Party won Powys and North Kesteven in the European elections, the LDs won West Oxfordshire
    Now the Leave vote will be split 3 ways: A "resurgent" Tory Party, a fast disappearing Brexit Party and a already disappeared UKIP.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    edited June 2019
    Scott_P said:
    Don't rate Rayner much - for all she has sometimes made sensible noises about lifelong learning - but it's very unusual for her to speak out like this. Surely she would not have done so without at least the tacit backing of Macdonnell or Abbott.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Jezza is so 2017 :lol:
    The Labour Party, in pursuit of pure socialism, are blowing their best chance to regain control since 2010. If they wish to remain true to the cause but abandon the people who need them then they will go down as traitors and a disgrace to their heritage. Losing elections because of principle doesn’t help anybody apart from those who regard socialist purity as more important.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    dixiedean said:

    Did wonder why he didn't challenge Boris instead of moaning. Only one of them looks in good shape for their age.
    I wouldn't have bothered with those last three words.
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,469
    ydoethur said:

    Don't rate Rayner much - for all she has sometimes made sensible noises about lifelong learning - but it's very unusual for her to speak out like this. Surely she would not have done so without at least the tacit backing of Macdonnell or Abbott.
    Rayner actually is a moderate. She did not vote for Corbyn in 2015.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,961
    nico67 said:

    I really despise the war footing guff added to the no deal preparations .

    What fucking sane country goes through war type preparations which are self inflicted !

    A country preparing for a continual stream of failures by selecting a scapegoat to blame whilst igniting a culture war. You know. Our country. That one... :(
  • SLAMSLAM Posts: 5
    Is it true there is a big story in pipeline exposing Jane Dodds LIib Dem alleged sleaze. Is it in the Sunday’s
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955
    viewcode said:

    A country preparing for a continual stream of failures by selecting a scapegoat to blame whilst igniting a culture war. You know. Our country. That one... :(
    Tragic ! What the fuck has happened to the UK .

    Sorry for the language but really I despair at how the UK has gone from London 2012 to this .

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955
    Scott_P said:
    Oh yippee Mogg can deliver cheap shoes for peasants ! You know he’s always going on about cheaper footwear for the plebs if the UK exits on no deal . Another loathsome piece of pondscum .
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    nico67 said:

    Tragic ! What the fuck has happened to the UK .

    Sorry for the language but really I despair at how the UK has gone from London 2012 to this .

    The CEO of Legal & General begs to differ with you. And he does not need to use four letter words when making his point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    edited June 2019
    Scott_P said:
    Hunt reported to have recruited former Canadian Conservative PM Stephen Harper to his trade negotiating team, though not sure how that will go down with the current Liberal Canadian PM Justin Trudeau given the UK also wants a FTA with Canada post Brexit.

    Boris meanwhile focusing his negotiating team on Geoffrey Cox, Stephen Barclay the current Brexit Secretary and Jacob Rees-Mogg
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.

    Add on a fresh face as new leader....
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955
    Scott_P said:
    Minister for the Union , good grief he thinks sticking some title on suddenly makes things okay.
  • spire2spire2 Posts: 183
    ydoethur said:

    Don't rate Rayner much - for all she has sometimes made sensible noises about lifelong learning - but it's very unusual for her to speak out like this. Surely she would not have done so without at least the tacit backing of Macdonnell or Abbott.
    Perhaps they should stop moaning and get recruiting people that agree with them . The problem being nobody agrees with the Blairites so they can't
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Now the Leave vote will be split 3 ways: A "resurgent" Tory Party, a fast disappearing Brexit Party and a already disappeared UKIP.
    Labour will also split the centre left vote with the LDs
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,079
    nico67 said:

    Minister for the Union , good grief he thinks sticking some title on suddenly makes things okay.
    LOL! The man (Johnson) is a fecking clown! A moron of the first order. But we knew that anyway...
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,079
    edited June 2019
    nico67 said:

    Minister for the Union , good grief he thinks sticking some title on suddenly makes things okay.
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  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,079
    edited June 2019
    nico67 said:

    Minister for the Union , good grief he thinks sticking some title on suddenly makes things okay.

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,885
    Andrew said:

    I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.

    Add on a fresh face as new leader....

    People on the Left don't vote LD cos, errr, they aren't on the Left.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,087
    spire2 said:

    Perhaps they should stop moaning and get recruiting people that agree with them . The problem being nobody agrees with the Blairites so they can't
    That's a fairly stunning admission given that what they're disagreeing about is how to deal with the fact that Corbyn's chums are a bunch of racists.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Andrew said:

    I wonder if there's a prospect better and better LibDem polls become self-perpetuating? A lot of people on the left don't vote LD because they can't win, but a few good polls and that starts to lessen significantly.

    Add on a fresh face as new leader....

    Who lacks any sign of gravitas. She comes across as very lightweight - much more so than Vince Cable or even Tim Farron.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,955

    The CEO of Legal & General begs to differ with you. And he does not need to use four letter words when making his point.
    Wow you found one CEO and it wasn’t the normal ones wheeled out like Dyson who has pissed off to the Far East , believe in Britain ! There is no economic case for Brexit , it’s lunacy . Apart from that it’s marvelous , let’s all become second class citizens stuck on a fast sinking rock , and begging the lunatic in the WH for a deal .

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,885
    nico67 said:

    Minister for the Union , good grief he thinks sticking some title on suddenly makes things okay.
    Got to have someone to tell the jumped up Scots and Irish not to be so silly and give them what for. Don't they realise there's a war on?
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