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Well nothing is ever guaranteed but given the current hung parliament clearly will not deliver Brexit Leave voters will rally around Boris to give him the majority he needs to deliver Brexit with the Withdrawal Agreement by October 31st with the Deal or with No Deal. I suspect Boris loses a VONC anyway within a week or 2 of taking office, Corbyn will table it and the opposition parties will all support it as will Gyimah, Grieve, Greening and Lee most likely so we then go to a late summer or early autumn general election where Boris can get the mandate he seeks and voters annoyed at another election forced by a Commons that refuses to deliver the Brexit they voted for will flock to Boris in droves.stodge said:FPT:
I see no polling evidence of a guaranteed majority for a Boris Johnson-led Government which has not delivered on Brexit.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority large enough to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal if the Commons as is likely backs a VONC in him as PM to stop the possibility of No Deal (which Boris does not want anyway, he wants a GB FTA but would still leave in the table).
So, moving forwards (or backwards), Johnson takes over on the afternoon of July 24th and at present the Commons rises for the summer recess the following day so would a VoNC be possible - presumably but se the majority to pass May's WA which would enable him to press ahead with a PD including the much vaunted FTA.
I can see Farage and the TBP attacking that both on grounds of credibility and because they would see leaving without a WA as preferable to leaving with May's WA. Meanwhile what of Labour which has plenty of its own problems not least the unelectability of its leader or the confusion over its own Brexit position.
If the polls don't look good in September, what then? There will come a point when it's too late and Johnson will either have to pivot fully to No Deal or seek a further extension which signs the death warrant arguably of the Conservative Party. He'll have to take No Deal even if some of his own MPs resign the whip or defect.
Then we have the VoNC in mid October which would then pass and the endgame would begin.
Even if Boris gets to 34% and a majority of 118 the Brexit Party still get 9% with Yougov so the fanatics for whom nothing but No Deal will do will be there but Boris can ignore them0 -
Chiacgo deep dish pizza is the worst of the worst....MaxPB said:Ugh, thick crust pizza. How, American.
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These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
They won't but if Boris is not able to deliver Brexit the voters will elect PM Farage to do it instead and PM Farage really does mean No DealNemtynakht said:
This is the big problem of the current parliament, the country needs Brexit to happen. But opposition parties see the existential threat to the Tories if it is not delivered. Why would they support anything that allows them off the hook?stodge said:FPT:
I see no polling evidence of a guaranteed majority for a Boris Johnson-led Government which has not delivered on Brexit.HYUFD said:
Boris will win a majority large enough to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal if the Commons as is likely backs a VONC in him as PM to stop the possibility of No Deal (which Boris does not want anyway, he wants a GB FTA but would still leave in the table).
So, moving forwards (or backwards), Johnson takes over on the afternoon of July 24th and at present the Commons rises for the summer recess the following day so would a VoNC be possible - presumably but would it have enough votes ? I'm less convinced.
Johnson's first problem won't be constructing a new Cabinet but trying to sell the new line given we know there are at least a dozen MPs prepared to vote against their own Government to prevent a No Deal Brexit.
Parliament is due to return on September 5th and it's possible if the polls looks promising Johnson could go for an election on say October 3rd or 10th. The problem for me isn't getting the house to support the idea (unless Labour decides to rebel en bloc against Corbyn) but the central message which presumably would be "the UK leaves the EU on 31/10" - fine, no problem there but if he won a majority would Boris use the majority to pass May's WA which would enable him to press ahead with a PD including the much vaunted FTA.
I can see Farage and the TBP attacking that both on grounds of credibility and because they would see leaving without a WA as preferable to leaving with May's WA. Meanwhile what of Labour which has plenty of its own problems not least the unelectability of its leader or the confusion over its own Brexit position.
If the polls don't look good in September, what then? There will come a point when it's too late and Johnson will either have to pivot fully to No Deal or seek a further extension which signs the death warrant arguably of the Conservative Party. He'll have to take No Deal even if some of his own MPs resign the whip or defect.
Then we have the VoNC in mid October which would then pass and the endgame would begin.0 -
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.0 -
That's not even pizza.FrancisUrquhart said:
Chiacgo deep dish pizza is the worst of the worst....MaxPB said:Ugh, thick crust pizza. How, American.
Tbf, the ingredients are good, and it tastes nice, but the base is way too bready and there's too much cheese.0 -
PB is my TwitterPulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.
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I feel like our entire politics has been treading water for at least 4 months, which is when Labour should have gone full on referendum and remain, and Tories full on no deal. When it was clear the WA would not pass it was inevitable the support bases would move that way.justin124 said:Owen Jones in the Guardian has come out strongly in favour of a second Referendum. Seems to be the way the wind is blowing.
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SCOTUS rules 5-4 against the citizenship question, Roberts the key justice against Trump.0
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My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
I wonder how many will join this noble and principled stand. I'm sure it will help encourage environmental issues enormously.
An environmental campaigner who has appeared in court over her refusal to pay council tax has said she is willing to go to prison for her cause.
Mother-of-two Imogen May told Exeter magistrates she was refusing to pay as an environmental protest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-487862070 -
BoJo called the French turds?
Well, that's Eagles vote in the bag then.0 -
What a nutter. Doesn't council tax help pay for services like recycling?kle4 said:I wonder how many will join this noble and principled stand. I'm sure it will help encourage environmental issues enormously.
An environmental campaigner who has appeared in court over her refusal to pay council tax has said she is willing to go to prison for her cause.
Mother-of-two Imogen May told Exeter magistrates she was refusing to pay as an environmental protest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-487862070 -
Until one goes to the US, it’s pretty easy (but a good thing). My Badoit habit is out of control mind you...SandyRentool said:I like the idea of Spam on Pizza. Or Pek.
The day before I started my month without meat I didn't have a steak, I had Pek.
BTW, nearly finished a month without carbonated soft drinks. The Fentimans dandelion and burdock awaits...0 -
Yeah but, you know, the cause needs martyrs and such.RobD said:
What a nutter. Doesn't council tax help pay for services like recycling?kle4 said:I wonder how many will join this noble and principled stand. I'm sure it will help encourage environmental issues enormously.
An environmental campaigner who has appeared in court over her refusal to pay council tax has said she is willing to go to prison for her cause.
Mother-of-two Imogen May told Exeter magistrates she was refusing to pay as an environmental protest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-48786207
In all honesty protesting can indeed get things moving sometimes, and councils have made some big moves on green issues to most normal people's view of things.
But other times people don't actually seem to care about an issue as much as appearing to care about an issue I suspect.
I'd call that virtue signalling but some people object to the phrase, even though I'd use the same term to describe people like the ERG spartans who want to appear to care about Brexit while voting against it repeatedly.0 -
You are a number of posters here and I claim your “how would I behave if I were someone that I’m not” prize.anothernick said:
I think he will be forced to by the weight of opinion within the party were an election to be called. Labour could not go into an election promising to implement the WDA and there are no other Brexit options available.RobD said:
Evidence that Corbyn will support such a move? He seems mighty reluctant to do so.anothernick said:
Quite. If the choice is no deal with Boris or remain/2nd referendum with Corbyn then I'm afraid it will have to be Corbyn.DecrepitJohnL said:
Except perhaps the circumstance where the alternative is Boris Johnson. We may find out this autumn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn - not fit for Office in any circumstances
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I am shocked the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation originally censored that.Floater said:BoJo called the French turds?
Well, that's Eagles vote in the bag then.0 -
It has to tick over in the right places though. He's operating on wafer thin majorities in the rust belt. It's not good if New York bankers are drawing ever larger bonuses if mom and pop businesses out in the Mid West are folding.TheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
Ah so this was the main event of last night's Dem debate :
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11441777138690170890 -
PB is my newsfeed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
PB is my TwitterPulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.
I'd have no idea who has died wihout PB.0 -
You are a contributor to The Daily Telegraph’s online comments. Have a free TV licence,TheScreamingEagles said:
I am shocked the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation originally censored that.Floater said:BoJo called the French turds?
Well, that's Eagles vote in the bag then.0 -
Seems like a silly error to make.
It's been a common critique of the Trump administration - at least from their supporters - that many of the sweeping conservative changes it has tried to achieve have been undermined by ham-handed implementation. Environmental and workplace deregulation and tougher immigration and border policies have been tied up in the courts because officials in charge were either sloppy or unaware of proper procedures.
Much to the delight of the president's political opponents, the citizenship question can be added to this list.
It is well within the power of a presidential administration to ask about citizenship status, a majority of the justices wrote, but it needs to be clear and up-front about why. The Trump team wasn't.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-487912720 -
Recycling? Don't you mean sending plastic to China or third world nations for them to deal with?RobD said:
What a nutter. Doesn't council tax help pay for services like recycling?kle4 said:I wonder how many will join this noble and principled stand. I'm sure it will help encourage environmental issues enormously.
An environmental campaigner who has appeared in court over her refusal to pay council tax has said she is willing to go to prison for her cause.
Mother-of-two Imogen May told Exeter magistrates she was refusing to pay as an environmental protest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-48786207
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Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for Brexit and Trump will be re elected next year winning both the popular vote and electoral college, possibly against Warren and the squealing and wailing from left liberals on both sides of the Atlantic will be a sight to beholdTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
Can I have some of what you're smoking?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for BrexitTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs. 0 -
I refuse to pay the telly tax, because I'm a freeman on the land.matt said:
You are a contributor to The Daily Telegraph’s online comments. Have a free TV licence,TheScreamingEagles said:
I am shocked the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation originally censored that.Floater said:BoJo called the French turds?
Well, that's Eagles vote in the bag then.0 -
Think McD is underrated. Smart guy whatever one thinks of his politics.TrèsDifficile said:
Would Johnson beat McDonnell?alex. said:
How about Johnson vs Labour leader not Corbyn?HYUFD said:In a likely Boris v Corbyn v Swinson general election only one of those is going to end up PM and it will almost certainly be Boris with a mandate for Brexit.
The real question may well end up being whether Corbyn can hold off Swinson and the LDs for second place, at least in voteshare I think the LDs could overtake Labour if Labour continues like this
And what will Johnson be seeking from his FTA, and what will he offer the EU in return?0 -
I was wrong on the previous thread.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Can I have some of what you're smoking?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for BrexitTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.
Six ounces sold at market rates in Shanghai would be plenty to clear all the National Debt and leave a massive sovereign wealth fund.0 -
That is probably right, but it probably won't, so he probably won't be.TheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.0 -
This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones0 -
It's terrifying. This is the country whose orbit Brexit is meant to draw us ever closer to.dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones0 -
Nah, its a culture war. As long as no one takes away their god given right to carry a machine gun ito a school, going broke is nothing. It is like Brexit here.Alistair said:
It has to tick over in the right places though. He's operating on wafer thin majorities in the rust belt. It's not good if New York bankers are drawing ever larger bonuses if mom and pop businesses out in the Mid West are folding.TheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
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What is the person who shot her being charged with???kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
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If Südtirol's nationality is contested* then it would be an argument with Austria not Germany.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Occupied Tyrol?Cyclefree said:
They can't have been Italians. Not real ones, anyway. Probably German ones from somewhere up north......AlastairMeeks said:
I’ve seen Italians put potatoes on pizza. If they can do that, you can allow me a scattering of edible bromeliads.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
Actually it’s a very good pizza made in the type of oven I’m confident you’d approve of. Though not, admittedly, in Naples.
*Hint: It's not, unless you consider Cornwall's nationality as contested.0 -
You give the impression of hating liberals. What have they ever done to you?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for Brexit and Trump will be re elected next year winning both the popular vote and electoral college, possibly against Warren and the squealing and wailing from left liberals on both sides of the Atlantic will be a sight to beholdTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
The law sounds like it is nuts, but how can she be charged with manslaughter and the shooter with nothing?kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
WHAT?!
(A) if there is manslaughter then there is unlawful death
(B) they know who the shooter is
(C) the only defence I can think of is justifiable self defence... but 5 times?0 -
And Boris and Trump will do a lot of harm, which will take many years to recover from.HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for Brexit and Trump will be re elected next year winning both the popular vote and electoral college, possibly against Warren and the squealing and wailing from left liberals on both sides of the Atlantic will be a sight to beholdTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
I'll start saving up .........Charles said:
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.
(Fulham, though.....)0 -
Not being chargedSunil_Prasannan said:
What is the person who shot her being charged with???kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
WHAT?!0 -
HYUFD - out of interest, why did you vote Remain?0
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Apparently, nothing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What is the person who shot her being charged with???kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
WHAT?!
Sometimes there is more to these stories that the headline and brief write up, and I really hope that is the case.0 -
Austria was originally called "German Austria" when the Habsburg Empire collapsed in 1918.eristdoof said:
If Südtirol's nationality is contested* then it would be an argument with Austria not Germany.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Occupied Tyrol?Cyclefree said:
They can't have been Italians. Not real ones, anyway. Probably German ones from somewhere up north......AlastairMeeks said:
I’ve seen Italians put potatoes on pizza. If they can do that, you can allow me a scattering of edible bromeliads.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
Actually it’s a very good pizza made in the type of oven I’m confident you’d approve of. Though not, admittedly, in Naples.
*Hint: It's not, unless you consider Cornwall's nationality as contested.0 -
L'Antica in Hampstead is the best pizza I've had outside of Italy (and my own kitchen).Cyclefree said:
I'll start saving up .........Charles said:
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.
(Fulham, though.....)0 -
We should have given these Colonials representation in Parliament back in 1775, if only to keep them sane.Charles said:
The law sounds like it is nuts, but how can she be charged with manslaughter and the shooter with nothing?kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
WHAT?!
(A) if there is manslaughter then there is unlawful death
(B) they know who the shooter is
(C) the only defence I can think of is justifiable self defence... but 5 times?0 -
No charges.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What is the person who shot her being charged with???kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
WHAT?!0 -
I think the issue is that other peoples' tweets were being taken down for violating Twitter's terms of service, but famous people (i.e. Trump) weren't been held to the same rules.Charles said:
I’m uncomfortable with thisTheScreamingEagles said:Call it the Trump rule.
Twitter will attach a special label to tweets by major political figures if their content violates the site’s rules but the deleting them is not in the public interest, the company said Thursday.
Tweets affected by the new measure will remain on the site, but will not appear in searches or be recommended to users through any of Twitter’s algorithmic channels. When they do appear in a user’s timeline, they will be hidden behind an interstitial reading: “The Twitter Rules about abusive behavior apply to this Tweet. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain available.” Users can then click through to view the tweet if they desire.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/27/twitter-warning-labels-tweets-violate-site-rules
An elected politician should be able to say what they want and the voters judge them accordingly
This, of course, is a halfway house that satisfies no-one. The tweets are still there (which they wouldn't be if you or I tweeted them), but they're being somewhat hidden.
Twitter is, of course, free to have whatever Terms of Service they like. Their site, their rules. Perhaps the best way around this would be to have a machine learning algorithm that checked (without human intervension) if a tweet breached Terms of Service. And if it did, it told the Tweeter, your Tweet was not published for the following reason, please change it and resubmit.0 -
Vaz gets away with being a complete nob because he's got a posher accent than the blimmin' queen.MarqueeMark said:
Vaz is set against the decision taken by Jim, his industrial washing machine salesman alter ego.Floater said:0 -
West Chelsea?Cyclefree said:
I'll start saving up .........Charles said:
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.
(Fulham, though.....)0 -
Agree entirely. Will make a good chancellor if he gets the chance. May even win over some businesses as well._Anazina_ said:
Think McD is underrated. Smart guy whatever one thinks of his politics.TrèsDifficile said:
Would Johnson beat McDonnell?alex. said:
How about Johnson vs Labour leader not Corbyn?HYUFD said:In a likely Boris v Corbyn v Swinson general election only one of those is going to end up PM and it will almost certainly be Boris with a mandate for Brexit.
The real question may well end up being whether Corbyn can hold off Swinson and the LDs for second place, at least in voteshare I think the LDs could overtake Labour if Labour continues like this
And what will Johnson be seeking from his FTA, and what will he offer the EU in return?0 -
Utilities are regulated. Twitter is a utility in my view.rcs1000 said:
I think the issue is that other peoples' tweets were being taken down for violating Twitter's terms of service, but famous people (i.e. Trump) weren't been held to the same rules.Charles said:
I’m uncomfortable with thisTheScreamingEagles said:Call it the Trump rule.
Twitter will attach a special label to tweets by major political figures if their content violates the site’s rules but the deleting them is not in the public interest, the company said Thursday.
Tweets affected by the new measure will remain on the site, but will not appear in searches or be recommended to users through any of Twitter’s algorithmic channels. When they do appear in a user’s timeline, they will be hidden behind an interstitial reading: “The Twitter Rules about abusive behavior apply to this Tweet. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain available.” Users can then click through to view the tweet if they desire.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/27/twitter-warning-labels-tweets-violate-site-rules
An elected politician should be able to say what they want and the voters judge them accordingly
This, of course, is a halfway house that satisfies no-one. The tweets are still there (which they wouldn't be if you or I tweeted them), but they're being somewhat hidden.
Twitter is, of course, free to have whatever Terms of Service they like. Their site, their rules. Perhaps the best way around this would be to have a machine learning algorithm that checked (without human intervension) if a tweet breached Terms of Service. And if it did, it told the Tweeter, your Tweet was not published for the following reason, please change it and resubmit.0 -
It was self-defense apparently, which made the mother guilty of felony-manslaughter apparently.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What is the person who shot her being charged with???kle4 said:
A pregnant woman from Alabama has been charged with manslaughter after she was shot in the stomach during an argument, killing the fetus...dixiedean said:This sounds like a Daily Mash article. Sadly, it isn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
“The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ said Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid following the shooting, reported AL.com in December. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”
WHAT?!0 -
Liberals are just smarter, better looking and have more fun. Haters gonna hate.Roger said:
You give the impression of hating liberals. What have they ever done to you?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for Brexit and Trump will be re elected next year winning both the popular vote and electoral college, possibly against Warren and the squealing and wailing from left liberals on both sides of the Atlantic will be a sight to beholdTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
Pizza is a vastly overrated foodstuff, generally. Very good simple stone baked Italian pizzas are a joy, sure, but not worth frothing about. Essentially it’s posh cheese on toast, a snack. There are better things to do with a gastronomic life than seek it out.0
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/Charles said:
West Chelsea?Cyclefree said:
I'll start saving up .........Charles said:
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.
(Fulham, though.....)
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Surely the issue is that the terms of service are a stupid policy that harm shareholder value by excluding half of the population. Twitter makes money from controversy, the ToS seem designed to reduce that and turn it into a liberal echo chamber. It's a shareholder/fiduciary duty issue, rather than a first amendment one IMO, the board are acting against the interests of the shareholders and serving their own liberal agenda.rcs1000 said:
I think the issue is that other peoples' tweets were being taken down for violating Twitter's terms of service, but famous people (i.e. Trump) weren't been held to the same rules.Charles said:
I’m uncomfortable with thisTheScreamingEagles said:Call it the Trump rule.
Twitter will attach a special label to tweets by major political figures if their content violates the site’s rules but the deleting them is not in the public interest, the company said Thursday.
Tweets affected by the new measure will remain on the site, but will not appear in searches or be recommended to users through any of Twitter’s algorithmic channels. When they do appear in a user’s timeline, they will be hidden behind an interstitial reading: “The Twitter Rules about abusive behavior apply to this Tweet. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain available.” Users can then click through to view the tweet if they desire.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/27/twitter-warning-labels-tweets-violate-site-rules
An elected politician should be able to say what they want and the voters judge them accordingly
This, of course, is a halfway house that satisfies no-one. The tweets are still there (which they wouldn't be if you or I tweeted them), but they're being somewhat hidden.
Twitter is, of course, free to have whatever Terms of Service they like. Their site, their rules. Perhaps the best way around this would be to have a machine learning algorithm that checked (without human intervension) if a tweet breached Terms of Service. And if it did, it told the Tweeter, your Tweet was not published for the following reason, please change it and resubmit.0 -
That's worse.Charles said:
West Chelsea?Cyclefree said:
I'll start saving up .........Charles said:
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.
(Fulham, though.....)0 -
You mean, Boris needs to - errr - pass Mrs May's deal?PeterC said:The only way that Boris is the Tories' saviour is if he plays a Nixon in China role. He will need to deliver a soft Brexit that causes no disruption to people's lives yet also brings finality.
The ultras on both sides will continue to froth, but the prize will be a great diminution in the salience of Brexit as an issue - the great majority will be relieved that the years of going round in circles are over. This is in Labour's best interest too.
The obvious electoral threat to the Tories comes from the Brexit party; but there is also a leaking of moderate votes to the LibDems, representing the business, professional and middle class part of a Tory winning coalition. Today's polling bears this out.
Boris will need to deliver Brexit and then draw both of these strands together more effectively tha Corbyn might do for Labour. But as champion of hard Brexit, fishing in a pool of around a third of the electorate, he is doomed.0 -
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He’s a remarkably studious guy.valleyboy said:
Agree entirely. Will make a good chancellor if he gets the chance. May even win over some businesses as well._Anazina_ said:
Think McD is underrated. Smart guy whatever one thinks of his politics.TrèsDifficile said:
Would Johnson beat McDonnell?alex. said:
How about Johnson vs Labour leader not Corbyn?HYUFD said:In a likely Boris v Corbyn v Swinson general election only one of those is going to end up PM and it will almost certainly be Boris with a mandate for Brexit.
The real question may well end up being whether Corbyn can hold off Swinson and the LDs for second place, at least in voteshare I think the LDs could overtake Labour if Labour continues like this
And what will Johnson be seeking from his FTA, and what will he offer the EU in return?0 -
I have always been opposed to the Euro and had that been a requirement of membership I would have voted Leave but I felt the membership status we had with the opt outs we had at the time was a reasonable position to be in.alex. said:HYUFD - out of interest, why did you vote Remain?
However I also respect the Leave vote and given the EU's refusal to give any significant concessions since to try and keep us in we must leave. I would still prefer to leave with a Deal rather than No Deal and indeed I voted Conservative rather than Brexit Party in the European elections because of that but on a forced choice of No Deal or Revoke I would now choose No Deal if that is the only way to deliver Brexit1 -
Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48790775
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I would walk over hot coals for a fresh buffalo mozzarella, eaten fresh on its own._Anazina_ said:Pizza is a vastly overrated foodstuff, generally. Very good simple stone baked Italian pizzas are a joy, sure, but not worth frothing about. Essentially it’s posh cheese on toast, a snack. There are better things to do with a gastronomic life than seek it out.
You can see the buffalo herds just south of Paestum, which is stunning and worth a visit even if no food were available.
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I don't hate liberals, indeed some of my family vote LD or Green and I am sure in the fullness of time we will get a left liberal government again but at the moment the mood of the electorate is for populist conservatism (look at the trend across much of the globe with recent wins for Brexit, Trump, Salvini, Bolsonaro, Modi etc) and if that wins then the fact it will bring 'squealing and wailing from left liberals' will be a statement of fact, not one of hatredRoger said:
You give the impression of hating liberals. What have they ever done to you?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris will win an overall majority this year with a mandate for Brexit and Trump will be re elected next year winning both the popular vote and electoral college, possibly against Warren and the squealing and wailing from left liberals on both sides of the Atlantic will be a sight to beholdTheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.0 -
Does anyone know whether Corbo is pro, or anti, Scots independence?StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-487907750 -
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.0 -
Its money for nothing....TGOHF said:0 -
I certainly hope Boris will have Javid as Chancellor.
Based on the start of QT, Truss would be way out of her depth.0 -
Generally he is in favour of decolonisation._Anazina_ said:
Does anyone know whether Corbo is pro, or anti, Scots independence?StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-487907750 -
“Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us,” said Diane Abbott._Anazina_ said:
Does anyone know whether Corbo is pro, or anti, Scots independence?StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-487907751 -
He’s never really been all that clear. Sometimes he is almost neutral, while at other times he comes over full-on Better Together. Never *publicly* supported it._Anazina_ said:
Does anyone know whether Corbo is pro, or anti, Scots independence?StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48790775
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/07/jeremy-corbyn-backed-scottish-independence-snps-mhairi-black/0 -
The air of unreality around these plans is shocking really.TGOHF said:
It's as if they're assuming that a No Deal exit will have no effect on the economy which will need some careful handling and that there will be plenty of money for all these goodies without wondering how we're going to earn our living having just torn up our existing trade relations with nothing to replace them.
Sometimes I wonder if Brexiteers really understand what it means to leave the EU. They talk as if it is both the most important thing in the world (nonsense about getting our freedom back) and also something which will be barely noticed and we can all pretend that we're in the glory days of Thatcher in the mid-1980's.0 -
Corbo is anti but only because he can use SNP and Scottish Labour MPs to override a Tory majority in England and become PM if needed and for a similar reason he opposes Welsh independence because of the inbuilt Labour majority there._Anazina_ said:
Does anyone know whether Corbo is pro, or anti, Scots independence?StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48790775
Northern Ireland he is less bothered about losing to Irish reunification as he is close to Sinn Fein but they never take their seats unlike the DUP who do and are currently propping up the Tories.
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So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
Remind me who is the Marxist?
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Javid looks a good bet at 7-4 for chancellor now I think ?MikeL said:I certainly hope Boris will have Javid as Chancellor.
Based on the start of QT, Truss would be way out of her depth.
Boris is 1-5 vs Hunt, so you're basically punting that the rumour is true at 5-4ish.
Seeing as Javid was the last man standing whose votes could be used tactically to knock Gove out (Boris' main threat) and keep Hunt in, also the fact he's got great office of state experience and would be Britain's first Asian chancellor makes the rumour more likely to be true than not.
I think the Truss rumour probably started as she was Boris' proposer but she doesn't have the gravitas needed.
Remainer Hammond also going must be a racing certainty.
£20 on Javid anyway.0 -
If it were proven to your satisfaction that a strict moderation policy helped, rather than harmed, their bottom line, would you be in favour?MaxPB said:
Surely the issue is that the terms of service are a stupid policy that harm shareholder value by excluding half of the population. Twitter makes money from controversy, the ToS seem designed to reduce that and turn it into a liberal echo chamber. It's a shareholder/fiduciary duty issue, rather than a first amendment one IMO, the board are acting against the interests of the shareholders and serving their own liberal agenda.rcs1000 said:
I think the issue is that other peoples' tweets were being taken down for violating Twitter's terms of service, but famous people (i.e. Trump) weren't been held to the same rules.Charles said:
I’m uncomfortable with thisTheScreamingEagles said:Call it the Trump rule.
Twitter will attach a special label to tweets by major political figures if their content violates the site’s rules but the deleting them is not in the public interest, the company said Thursday.
Tweets affected by the new measure will remain on the site, but will not appear in searches or be recommended to users through any of Twitter’s algorithmic channels. When they do appear in a user’s timeline, they will be hidden behind an interstitial reading: “The Twitter Rules about abusive behavior apply to this Tweet. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain available.” Users can then click through to view the tweet if they desire.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/27/twitter-warning-labels-tweets-violate-site-rules
An elected politician should be able to say what they want and the voters judge them accordingly
This, of course, is a halfway house that satisfies no-one. The tweets are still there (which they wouldn't be if you or I tweeted them), but they're being somewhat hidden.
Twitter is, of course, free to have whatever Terms of Service they like. Their site, their rules. Perhaps the best way around this would be to have a machine learning algorithm that checked (without human intervension) if a tweet breached Terms of Service. And if it did, it told the Tweeter, your Tweet was not published for the following reason, please change it and resubmit.0 -
It is the tax cuts that will grow the economy to raise the revenues to pay for the promisesdixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
Remind me who is the Marxist?0 -
Boris has been coming up with some impressive policy announcements. Have they been carefully crafted in a smoke filled room, or like the bus-modelling nonsense did they just trip off his forked tongue?dixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
Remind me who is the Marxist?0 -
Why, is he also in favour of workers owning the means of production?dixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
Remind me who is the Marxist?0 -
As true as that all is, the more surprising thing is how narrow and unimaginative a tax cut that is. If he really wants to make tax cuts (and I think it’s on balance unwise), he’d be better off chopping income tax. What happened to that plan?Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.0 -
An estate agent once pitched me on Saint Reatham. Took me a while to figure out...Cyclefree said:
That's worse.Charles said:
West Chelsea?Cyclefree said:
I'll start saving up .........Charles said:
There’s a decent Neapolitan pizza place in Fulham. You could take us all there 😄Cyclefree said:
Nah: the dish is perfect as it is. Adding more stuff just ruins it. Italian food is so good because, when made simply with really excellent ingredients, it is not overfussed with. Too many tastes just make a mess.kle4 said:
I fear I will enter your bad books, as though I generally have great deference toward tradition, adding more stuff to such a dish seems a clear improvement to me, even though I disagree with that particular example.Cyclefree said:
I despair, I really do.AlastairMeeks said:
I had a Hawaiian pizza tonight.Cyclefree said:AlastairMeeks said:I hope that tonight’s debate is sponsored by Ovaltine.
Oh, not you too. You'll be putting bloody chocolate in your coffee next.....
I REGRET NOTHING.
First it's bloody Brexit. Then Corbyn. And Johnson.
But the absolute limit is people putting bits of syrupy fruit on a pizza, a dish which should only be eaten in Naples, freshly cooked with proper buffalo mozzarella and San Marzano tomatoes and olive oil and, if we're going for capitals, NOTHING ELSE.
Followed by a strong espresso and a small limoncello from Caffe Gambrinus. And a walk by the sea with a loved one.
How can that not be more tempting than whatever cheesy cardboard offering you were chomping?
But I don't have bad books and you are not in them. I just sigh and wonder what I can do to persuade you, short of actually taking you all to bella Napoli and showing you.
(Fulham, though.....)0 -
Bless.....HYUFD said:
It is the tax cuts that will grow the economy to raise the revenues to pay for the promisesdixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
Remind me who is the Marxist?0 -
Lefties still haven't heard of the Laffer Curve. Probably never will.HYUFD said:
It is the tax cuts that will grow the economy to raise the revenues to pay for the promisesdixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
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Yes. Though I don't think it would be proven. Twitter relies on controversy to drive traffic. Removing the controversy will result in fewer impressions/clicks and lower advertising revenue.Stereotomy said:
If it were proven to your satisfaction that a strict moderation policy helped, rather than harmed, their bottom line, would you be in favour?MaxPB said:
Surely the issue is that the terms of service are a stupid policy that harm shareholder value by excluding half of the population. Twitter makes money from controversy, the ToS seem designed to reduce that and turn it into a liberal echo chamber. It's a shareholder/fiduciary duty issue, rather than a first amendment one IMO, the board are acting against the interests of the shareholders and serving their own liberal agenda.rcs1000 said:
I think the issue is that other peoples' tweets were being taken down for violating Twitter's terms of service, but famous people (i.e. Trump) weren't been held to the same rules.Charles said:
I’m uncomfortable with thisTheScreamingEagles said:Call it the Trump rule.
Twitter will attach a special label to tweets by major political figures if their content violates the site’s rules but the deleting them is not in the public interest, the company said Thursday.
Tweets affected by the new measure will remain on the site, but will not appear in searches or be recommended to users through any of Twitter’s algorithmic channels. When they do appear in a user’s timeline, they will be hidden behind an interstitial reading: “The Twitter Rules about abusive behavior apply to this Tweet. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain available.” Users can then click through to view the tweet if they desire.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/27/twitter-warning-labels-tweets-violate-site-rules
An elected politician should be able to say what they want and the voters judge them accordingly
This, of course, is a halfway house that satisfies no-one. The tweets are still there (which they wouldn't be if you or I tweeted them), but they're being somewhat hidden.
Twitter is, of course, free to have whatever Terms of Service they like. Their site, their rules. Perhaps the best way around this would be to have a machine learning algorithm that checked (without human intervension) if a tweet breached Terms of Service. And if it did, it told the Tweeter, your Tweet was not published for the following reason, please change it and resubmit.0 -
If you look at when Presidents don't get re-elected, it's usually because the economy is in the shitter.TheScreamingEagles said:
My view has been so long as the economy continues to tick over Trump will be re-elected.Pulpstar said:These err half censored Trump tweets are going to create the most almighty streisand effect when Twitter does it.
Another glass of petrol onto the culture war bonfire I guess. As a 2020 Democrat backer I'm not that happy about this - just gives the whole twitter is anti-right legs.
1992 - US recession.
1980 - US recession.
1976 - Watergate, and just after a US recession...
And if you look at times when the party holding the Presidency changed (i.e 2000 and 2008), they were also around the time of recessions/stock market crashes/financial crises.
Now, we're 16 months away from a US election. The indicators (PMI and bond yields are both negative), we're also now losing the year-over-year benefits of the tax cuts.
That being said... bond yields have predicted 7 of the last 3 recessions, so it's by no means a sure thing. I'd say a recession is about 50:50, and if one strikes, then Trump will need to be very lucky in his opponent to be reelected.0 -
Goodness, no!Cyclefree said:
I would walk over hot coals for a fresh buffalo mozzarella, eaten fresh on its own._Anazina_ said:Pizza is a vastly overrated foodstuff, generally. Very good simple stone baked Italian pizzas are a joy, sure, but not worth frothing about. Essentially it’s posh cheese on toast, a snack. There are better things to do with a gastronomic life than seek it out.
You can see the buffalo herds just south of Paestum, which is stunning and worth a visit even if no food were available.
It needs a succulent beef tomato and a hint of fresh basil, otherwise the texture palls0 -
And campaign for a Yes vote ...StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
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The smoke filled room was traditionally only caused by tobacco...Mexicanpete said:
Boris has been coming up with some impressive policy announcements. Have they been carefully crafted in a smoke filled room, or like the bus-modelling nonsense did they just trip off his forked tongue?dixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
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*San Marzano tomatoes.Charles said:
Goodness, no!Cyclefree said:
I would walk over hot coals for a fresh buffalo mozzarella, eaten fresh on its own._Anazina_ said:Pizza is a vastly overrated foodstuff, generally. Very good simple stone baked Italian pizzas are a joy, sure, but not worth frothing about. Essentially it’s posh cheese on toast, a snack. There are better things to do with a gastronomic life than seek it out.
You can see the buffalo herds just south of Paestum, which is stunning and worth a visit even if no food were available.
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Are you still backing the clown to be PM?HYUFD said:
Corbo is anti but only because he can use SNP and Scottish Labour MPs to override a Tory majority in England and become PM if needed and for a similar reason he opposes Welsh independence because of the inbuilt Labour majority there._Anazina_ said:
Does anyone know whether Corbo is pro, or anti, Scots independence?StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48790775
Northern Ireland he is less bothered about losing to Irish reunification as he is close to Sinn Fein but they never take their seats unlike the DUP who do and are currently propping up the Tories.0 -
What means of production? or do you just mean gig economy "self employment"?Stereotomy said:
Why, is he also in favour of workers owning the means of production?dixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
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He won't, without SNP MPs Corbyn has a much diminished chance of becoming PM and almost no chance of becoming PM at Westminster without relying on the LDs who he can't standPhilip_Thompson said:
And campaign for a Yes vote ...StuartDickson said:Scottish independence: Dugdale says Corbyn could allow indyref2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48790775
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Except Twitter don't remove controversy and by occasionally banning people they can even egg on the controversy, only to soon unban people afterwards.MaxPB said:
Yes. Though I don't think it would be proven. Twitter relies on controversy to drive traffic. Removing the controversy will result in fewer impressions/clicks and lower advertising revenue.Stereotomy said:If it were proven to your satisfaction that a strict moderation policy helped, rather than harmed, their bottom line, would you be in favour?
Its like trying to get a pan as hot as possible without letting the contents boil over.
There's no reason to suggest they don't know exactly what they're doing.0 -
While the Right have no concept of what levels of taxation the Laffer Curve is effective at.Philip_Thompson said:
Lefties still haven't heard of the Laffer Curve. Probably never will.HYUFD said:
It is the tax cuts that will grow the economy to raise the revenues to pay for the promisesdixiedean said:
So Boris is promising tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for the struggling, no stamp duty, 20 000 new police officers, more nurses, teachers and doctors, more spending on everything under the sun.Cyclefree said:
Great: just what we need. Another house price surge followed by a crash.TGOHF said:
Do the Tories ever think that an economy can be something more than people buying and selling overpriced terraced houses to each other ?
Morons.
After Brexit, we'll all be employees of the State, and paying no tax.
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