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Indeed. And it has Boris confused.SouthamObserver said:
Johnson’s pitch is his character. Hunt is fighting on the territory his opponent has always chosen to fight on.DavidL said:
What I find interesting about this is that Hunt is not showing any hesitation or reservations about blue on blue criticisms. This suggests to me that he thinks he has a genuine chance and is going for it. If he didn't I think he would be being more tactful and diplomatic about his future boss.Scott_P said:0 -
Mr. Dickson, ha. Reminiscent of May being the first person in history to be trapped by her own ambush.0
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Banks suing Cadwalladr...0
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It's quite an ask and quite specific - how would it do that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly.TOPPING said:
Does that keep him as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect Boris Johnson's plan is to go for No Deal but expect Parliament will put the kibosh on that.TOPPING said:
Not so sure - as we have seen as locally as here on PB, there is a very willing suspension of disbelief by all sides and I don't doubt Boris' ability to string each faction along until October 32nd. If I had to guess I would say that the anti No Dealers are on safer ground but who the hell knows (and no, @HYUFD you don't knowTheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson is scared someone will ask him what did he offer/say to the anti No Dealers in the Parliamentary party to get them to back him.TOPPING said:There is no doubt that Hunt is getting a free hit on Boris every time he opens his mouth and at the same time is shaping the narrative.
I mean how lazy/complacent/confident is Boris' team? Hugely must be the answer. Does Boris really fear he will get slaughtered as soon as he opens his mouth?
Surely even they don't think that it can go on for much longer like this. Even Cons party members are not immune from one candidate relentlessly setting the agenda.
I suspect his answer will upset and enrage the pro No Deal membership.
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He'll be able to say to the ERG and the membership 'Well I tried for an October 31st exit but that perfidious Parliament....'
I suspect Parliament will not try and replace him with Ken Clarke but instruct him to sign up to a/the customs union and/or membership of the single market.0 -
Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain1 -
Like what happened in March/April, Parliament will seize control of the Parliamentary agenda.TOPPING said:
It's quite an ask and quite specific - how would it do that?TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly.TOPPING said:
Does that keep him as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect Boris Johnson's plan is to go for No Deal but expect Parliament will put the kibosh on that.TOPPING said:
Not so sure - as we have seen as locally as here on PB, there is a very willing suspension of disbelief by all sides and I don't doubt Boris' ability to string each faction along until October 32nd. If I had to guess I would say that the anti No Dealers are on safer ground but who the hell knows (and no, @HYUFD you don't knowTheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson is scared someone will ask him what did he offer/say to the anti No Dealers in the Parliamentary party to get them to back him.TOPPING said:There is no doubt that Hunt is getting a free hit on Boris every time he opens his mouth and at the same time is shaping the narrative.
I mean how lazy/complacent/confident is Boris' team? Hugely must be the answer. Does Boris really fear he will get slaughtered as soon as he opens his mouth?
Surely even they don't think that it can go on for much longer like this. Even Cons party members are not immune from one candidate relentlessly setting the agenda.
I suspect his answer will upset and enrage the pro No Deal membership. )
He'll be able to say to the ERG and the membership 'Well I tried for an October 31st exit but that perfidious Parliament....'
I suspect Parliament will not try and replace him with Ken Clarke but instruct him to sign up to a/the customs union and/or membership of the single market.
After all Boris Johnson said No Deal was Project Fear, they will be merely holding his feet to the fire.0 -
Yes I also think his plan was to go for no deal and then come over all churchillian and present himself as the national saviour rescuing us from the horrors inflicted by the EU. But the events of the past week have convinced me that he does not have the cojones required to do this and is much more likely to run into the broom cupboard and collapse in a whimpering heap.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect Boris Johnson's plan is to go for No Deal but expect Parliament will put the kibosh on that.TOPPING said:
Not so sure - as we have seen as locally as here on PB, there is a very willing suspension of disbelief by all sides and I don't doubt Boris' ability to string each faction along until October 32nd. If I had to guess I would say that the anti No Dealers are on safer ground but who the hell knows (and no, @HYUFD you don't knowTheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson is scared someone will ask him what did he offer/say to the anti No Dealers in the Parliamentary party to get them to back him.TOPPING said:There is no doubt that Hunt is getting a free hit on Boris every time he opens his mouth and at the same time is shaping the narrative.
I mean how lazy/complacent/confident is Boris' team? Hugely must be the answer. Does Boris really fear he will get slaughtered as soon as he opens his mouth?
Surely even they don't think that it can go on for much longer like this. Even Cons party members are not immune from one candidate relentlessly setting the agenda.
I suspect his answer will upset and enrage the pro No Deal membership. )
He'll be able to say to the ERG and the membership 'Well I tried for an October 31st exit but that perfidious Parliament....'0 -
Fantastic.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain0 -
David Duke vs David Icke?TheScreamingEagles said:
This election might end up rivalling the ‘Don’t vote for the Wizard, vote for the Lizard’ campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, the upside, such as it is, is that if the blues lose, as seems probable, they can blame it on the candidate and not the party collectively.
Mr. Divvie, possible. Could be a combination of that and realising he's promised jam tomorrow, even though the jam will be ready next year at the earliest.
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The Tories and Labour would still prefer not to talk about it. Which is I think why Farage is keeping his powder dry. He doesn't trust BJ, and he doesn't trust that a pre-Brexit GE will resolve anything. What he does know (although it's a huge risk) is that IF he can carry his EU election troops over to a GE, he can win it and put the country out of its misery...StuartDickson said:
I’ve got to admire an optimist.justin124 said:
I have never been persuaded that the next election will be Brexit dominated in the way assumed by the commentariat. 2017 certainly wasn't - despite that being May's justification for calling it. Other issues will come to the fore with a likely receptive audience - long sick to death of Brexit.StuartDickson said:
What gives you ground for expecting that Labour GB-wide are going to recover to 35%? You haven’t even got a cohesive Brexit policy, and don’t look like getting one any time soon.justin124 said:
I don't disagree with most of that. My point really was that Labour's wobble in Scotland reflects what has happened in GB as a whole. If Labour's national vote share recovers - as I expect - to at least 35%/36% , that is likely to be also reflected in its vote share in Scotland.StuartDickson said:
If you’re happy being neck and neck with the useless Tories, in Scotland (!), then absolutely fine by me.justin124 said:
Neck and neck with the Tories. I noticed that the Survation subsample came up with - SNP 35 Lab 24 Con 8.StuartDickson said:
SLab look well and truly shafted. Unbelievably weak leadership in Scotland, unfit to govern in London, and 10 points down on UK GE 2017, with another UK GE imminent. Add in demotivated, talentless, decimated ground troops and they are about to lie back and think of England.malcolmg said:
Labour well on way to recovery I see
And when given the choice between a full-sample, properly weighted poll showing SNP 38 Lab 17 Con 18
... or a small, unweighted sub-sample showing SNP 35 Lab 24 Con 8
... even you must understand that most sane folk, and punters, will be trusting the full-sample poll.
Only way you might recover fast is if the Tories bounce up to MAJ levels. Ain’t gonna happen.0 -
That is genius! Parliament makes him, by default the Churchillian statesman he claime to be. He really is a clever old soul!TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly.TOPPING said:
Does that keep him as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect Boris Johnson's plan is to go for No Deal but expect Parliament will put the kibosh on that.TOPPING said:
Not so sure - as we have seen as locally as here on PB, there is a very willing suspension of disbelief by all sides and I don't doubt Boris' ability to string each faction along until October 32nd. If I had to guess I would say that the anti No Dealers are on safer ground but who the hell knows (and no, @HYUFD you don't knowTheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson is scared someone will ask him what did he offer/say to the anti No Dealers in the Parliamentary party to get them to back him.TOPPING said:There is no doubt that Hunt is getting a free hit on Boris every time he opens his mouth and at the same time is shaping the narrative.
I mean how lazy/complacent/confident is Boris' team? Hugely must be the answer. Does Boris really fear he will get slaughtered as soon as he opens his mouth?
Surely even they don't think that it can go on for much longer like this. Even Cons party members are not immune from one candidate relentlessly setting the agenda.
I suspect his answer will upset and enrage the pro No Deal membership. )
He'll be able to say to the ERG and the membership 'Well I tried for an October 31st exit but that perfidious Parliament....'
I suspect Parliament will not try and replace him with Ken Clarke but instruct him to sign up to a/the customs union and/or membership of the single market.0 -
I thought you might prefer ‘Jelly Johnson’ for the double entendre ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Bottler Boris cannot go for a snap election without two thirds of Parliament consenting.kjohnw said:
IMO Boris will go for immediate snap election on taking office, offering leaving with renegotiated deal or no deal and no £39billion by 31/10. if he wins majority then we leave on 31/10 come what may. if he loses JC goes 2ref, and IMO will lose such a ref.williamglenn said:
The final chance to stop him no dealing will be at the end of October. If it really came down to it, an ad hoc parliamentary majority could depose him, choose a new PM and revoke Article 50.rottenborough said:Yes, but will they be sure enough on 23rd July that this is their final chance to stop Boris from No Dealing? That will be the gamble they need to think about.
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Super piece by Hastings – whatever one thinks of his politics, a class writer.TOPPING said:
Fantastic.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain0 -
He didn't even sugar the Churchill pill, acknowledging that Churchill wasn't as all-loving to non-white people._Anazina_ said:
Super piece by Hastings – whatever one thinks of his politics, a class writer.TOPPING said:
Fantastic.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain0 -
Nah, I did toy with using the headline 'BJ sucks' yesterday.Nigelb said:
I thought you might prefer ‘Jelly Johnson’ for the double entendre ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Bottler Boris cannot go for a snap election without two thirds of Parliament consenting.kjohnw said:
IMO Boris will go for immediate snap election on taking office, offering leaving with renegotiated deal or no deal and no £39billion by 31/10. if he wins majority then we leave on 31/10 come what may. if he loses JC goes 2ref, and IMO will lose such a ref.williamglenn said:
The final chance to stop him no dealing will be at the end of October. If it really came down to it, an ad hoc parliamentary majority could depose him, choose a new PM and revoke Article 50.rottenborough said:Yes, but will they be sure enough on 23rd July that this is their final chance to stop Boris from No Dealing? That will be the gamble they need to think about.
Oh and 'Massive Johnson pulls out'0 -
Surely that was Cameron with his bold referendum gambit to see off UKIP and anchor the UK in the EU?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dickson, ha. Reminiscent of May being the first person in history to be trapped by her own ambush.
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They'll be selling seats in the public gallery if that one goes to trial.Pulpstar said:Banks suing Cadwalladr...
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Mr. Nick, the referendum was eminently winnable. The dreadful campaigns and apparent complacency from Cameron were telling factors. If he'd insisted the official Leave campaign had to draw up a basic plan, Remain would've won. If the warnings hadn't been so overblown they undermined more credible downsides to leaving, Remain would've won.
Mind you, May could've easily won a landslide, but she decided to run the worst election campaign of modern times. In both cases, one can make a good argument for the decision being sound, but the execution being lamentable.
[I'd argue the reneging on a referendum by Labour is a critical moment too].0 -
Amazing how Boris has gone from hyper-efficient in the Commons side of the leadership campaign, to bumbling and clownish since.
Maybe Gavin Williamson should be PM *ducks*0 -
Is that one of Michael Gove's SATS tests that were abandoned as too hard?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That's a tortured double negative.TheScreamingEagles said:
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I assume Cadwalladr has evidence to back up her assertions, so she must be feeling very confident of winning the case being bought against her by Banks.0
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That's enough for social services to make an intervention.Andrew said:Amazing how Boris has gone from hyper-efficient in the Commons side of the leadership campaign, to bumbling and clownish since.
Maybe Gavin Williamson should be PM *ducks*0 -
Yes, noticed that. Sharp.TOPPING said:
He didn't even sugar the Churchill pill, acknowledging that Churchill wasn't as all-loving to non-white people._Anazina_ said:
Super piece by Hastings – whatever one thinks of his politics, a class writer.TOPPING said:
Fantastic.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain0 -
When was the last time the Tories managed to mount a good campaign?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nick, the referendum was eminently winnable. The dreadful campaigns and apparent complacency from Cameron were telling factors. If he'd insisted the official Leave campaign had to draw up a basic plan, Remain would've won. If the warnings hadn't been so overblown they undermined more credible downsides to leaving, Remain would've won.
Mind you, May could've easily won a landslide, but she decided to run the worst election campaign of modern times. In both cases, one can make a good argument for the decision being sound, but the execution being lamentable.
[I'd argue the reneging on a referendum by Labour is a critical moment too].
Major in 1992, I guess. Since then they’ve all been risible. You could make a case for 2010, but Cameron was expected to win and lost out first to Cleggmania and then by Brown shoring up his base. 2015 was only won at the LibDems’ expense and they’d achieved that long before the GE.0 -
The Death Cult isn't happy that a different cult might get first dibs:
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Mr. B2, Cameron was damaged by the debates helping Clegg a lot. His 2010 campaign gained over 100 seats, I think, and his 2015 result exceeded all expectations.0
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In fairness, UKIP are in Norwegian Blue territory, and the UK is still in the EU.anothernick said:
Surely that was Cameron with his bold referendum gambit to see off UKIP and anchor the UK in the EU?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dickson, ha. Reminiscent of May being the first person in history to be trapped by her own ambush.
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Logically that lot is the same as :AlastairMeeks said:
There is an opportunity for the new PM to appear before the House before the summer recess. That is the intention of the Gov't.0 -
I think they have spent the last six months explaining it. The no dealers are obsessed with winning, the impact on the economy is neither here nor there.AlastairMeeks said:The Death Cult isn't happy that a different cult might get first dibs:
https://twitter.com/IsabelOakeshott/status/11431873512435466300 -
Possibly, we can all speculate and if people had acted differently things would have been different. But the fact is that Cameron's referendum plan turned out to be one of the most spectacular failures in British political history. It achieved the polar opposite of Cameron's desired outcome for the EU, the UK and the Conservative Party.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nick, the referendum was eminently winnable. The dreadful campaigns and apparent complacency from Cameron were telling factors. If he'd insisted the official Leave campaign had to draw up a basic plan, Remain would've won. If the warnings hadn't been so overblown they undermined more credible downsides to leaving, Remain would've won.
Mind you, May could've easily won a landslide, but she decided to run the worst election campaign of modern times. In both cases, one can make a good argument for the decision being sound, but the execution being lamentable.
[I'd argue the reneging on a referendum by Labour is a critical moment too].0 -
There's more important things than Brexit today.
https://twitter.com/antanddec/status/1143156497347727360-1 -
”He cares for nothing but his own fame and gratification”SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
“a contempt for truth”
“his graver vice is cowardice”
“contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability”
“of weak character”
“a cavorting charlatan”
“Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him”0 -
Anything better than evens on Newcastle going down next season has to be good value.Gallowgate said:There's more important things than Brexit today.
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Jezza Hunt wants a word.TOPPING said:
He didn't even sugar the Churchill pill, acknowledging that Churchill wasn't as all-loving to non-white people._Anazina_ said:
Super piece by Hastings – whatever one thinks of his politics, a class writer.TOPPING said:
Fantastic.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
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My favourite is, "he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge"IanB2 said:
”He cares for nothing but his own fame and gratification”SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
“a contempt for truth”
“his graver vice is cowardice”
“contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability”
“of weak character”
“a cavorting charlatan”
“Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him”0 -
In 2010 we’d just been through almost unprecedented financial crash. Weighing up the campaign, as distinct from the circumstances of the election, I don’t recall the 2010 Tory one being regarded as good?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B2, Cameron was damaged by the debates helping Clegg a lot. His 2010 campaign gained over 100 seats, I think, and his 2015 result exceeded all expectations.
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Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.0
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Not sure the Tory campaign in 1992 was that good - much more a case of Labour messing up. Had Kinnock not lost control at Sheffield, a 2017 type result would have been likely - Tories largest party needing Ulster Unionist support to continue in office.IanB2 said:
When was the last time the Tories managed to mount a good campaign?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nick, the referendum was eminently winnable. The dreadful campaigns and apparent complacency from Cameron were telling factors. If he'd insisted the official Leave campaign had to draw up a basic plan, Remain would've won. If the warnings hadn't been so overblown they undermined more credible downsides to leaving, Remain would've won.
Mind you, May could've easily won a landslide, but she decided to run the worst election campaign of modern times. In both cases, one can make a good argument for the decision being sound, but the execution being lamentable.
[I'd argue the reneging on a referendum by Labour is a critical moment too].
Major in 1992, I guess. Since then they’ve all been risible. You could make a case for 2010, but Cameron was expected to win and lost out first to Cleggmania and then by Brown shoring up his base. 2015 was only won at the LibDems’ expense and they’d achieved that long before the GE.0 -
Mr. B2, the Lib Dems did very well from the debate coverage, which was overwhelming. Brown also performed reasonably in those. The debates were pretty much the campaign.
The result was certainly good for the Conservatives.0 -
Blimey. But, of course, Max once endorsed Tony Blair, so his intervention can be easily dismissed by the Boris faithful.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain0 -
Imagine them trying to run a General Election campaign like this.IanB2 said:Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.
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I suppose that's the point - while he may or may not be going through a process of demolition by the press and Hunt, the faithful remain faithful. Must be whittling down, though, you would have thought.Stark_Dawning said:
Blimey. But, of course, Max once endorsed Tony Blair, so his intervention can be easily dismissed by the Boris faithful.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain0 -
Don’t worry, Phillip Thompson will be along shortly to tell us that Hastings is a proven liar...SirNorfolkPassmore said:
My favourite is, "he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge"IanB2 said:
”He cares for nothing but his own fame and gratification”SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
“a contempt for truth”
“his graver vice is cowardice”
“contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability”
“of weak character”
“a cavorting charlatan”
“Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him”0 -
Potentially next month. It would run into the buffers quicker than you can say 'bring back Theresa'.williamglenn said:
Imagine them trying to run a General Election campaign like this.IanB2 said:Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.
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I think only nerds pick up on the Brown link (now over a decade old) - what it has going for it is memorability, red wine on a sofa and browsing the 2-for-1 wine section of Tesco - all very current.Richard_Nabavi said:'Bottler Boris' isn't very good. Too hackneyed and the wrong connotations. No-one thinks Boris is like Gordon Brown, you'd be hard-pressed to think of two more different people.
'Frit Boris' might be better. The faithful would pick up the echo.0 -
She was strong and stableRecidivist said:
Potentially next month. It would run into the buffers quicker than you can say 'bring back Theresa'.williamglenn said:
Imagine them trying to run a General Election campaign like this.IanB2 said:Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.
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In any case the experience of Theresa May in 2017 vindicated BrownCarlottaVance said:
I think only nerds pick up on the Brown link (now over a decade old) - what it has going for it is memorability, red wine on a sofa and browsing the 2-for-1 wine section of Tesco - all very current.Richard_Nabavi said:'Bottler Boris' isn't very good. Too hackneyed and the wrong connotations. No-one thinks Boris is like Gordon Brown, you'd be hard-pressed to think of two more different people.
'Frit Boris' might be better. The faithful would pick up the echo.
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I imagine Lynton Crosby is keen to prove that the 2017 disaster wasn't his fault, but he could end up as the common denominator between two failed General Election campaigns.Recidivist said:
Potentially next month. It would run into the buffers quicker than you can say 'bring back Theresa'.williamglenn said:
Imagine them trying to run a General Election campaign like this.IanB2 said:Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.
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Mercer I put down to inexperience - but Hancock should know better.IanB2 said:Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.
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Are any of his cabinet backers actively supporting or or they all passive?IanB2 said:Another Bozo stooge on R4. Mercer this time.
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The Tories were never likley to form a Conservative majority in 2010. They simply had to gain too many seats off Labour to target them all on the scale to be effective. Add to this the LD MPs who were still an opposition party and relatively popular and you can see the Tories were unlikley to get an overall majority.IanB2 said:
In 2010 we’d just been through almost unprecedented financial crash. Weighing up the campaign, as distinct from the circumstances of the election, I don’t recall the 2010 Tory one being regarded as good?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B2, Cameron was damaged by the debates helping Clegg a lot. His 2010 campaign gained over 100 seats, I think, and his 2015 result exceeded all expectations.
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I'm glad we have first past the post voting, it gives us strong governments.-1
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Oh please... Farage is the one taking private jets.CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
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Labour MPs have until 8th July (6pm) to let party know if they intend to seek re-selection.
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Cos Boris and Hunt fly economy, right?CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
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All 6 Labour Assembly Members re-standing managed to get re-selected in the end. Somes losses in and there but they all went over 2/3 threshold required.
Lewisham Deptford, West Ham, East Ham, Camberwell & Peckham and Ealing Central are the CLPs who voted against automatic re-selection of their incumbent AM. Streatham vote against their AM was ruled invalid because the CLP chair can't follow the guidelines (different wording on the ballot but I guess they could have lived with that. However, they also used different cut off deadline in who was entitled to vote)0 -
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See "Finest Years: Churchill as Warlord 1940-45", Max Hastings (2010), ISBN: 9780007263684. https://www.waterstones.com/book/finest-years/sir-max-hastings/9780007263684TOPPING said:
He didn't even sugar the Churchill pill, acknowledging that Churchill wasn't as all-loving to non-white people._Anazina_ said:
Super piece by Hastings – whatever one thinks of his politics, a class writer.TOPPING said:
Fantastic.SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
If you use Waterstone's Click and Collect, you can have a copy tomorrow. Conversely there is a Foyles in Waterloo and you can get it via this: https://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/biography/finest-years-churchill-as-warlord-1940,max-hastings-97800072636840 -
Erm. He's not an MP.not_on_fire said:
Cos Boris and Hunt fly economy, right?CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
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A concerned friend writes:
What all this shows is that the new leader of the Conservative Party is unlikely to have a majority for his central policy come the autumn, and may not have a majority this July full stop.
If the latter is the case, then Mrs May will have to recommend that the Queen asks Jeremy Corbyn whether he can assemble a majority instead. If not, it’s election time.
No wonder Britain’s top civil servant has put the current Prime Minister on notice that her biggest decision may be still to come.
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What happens to the MPs is rather more interesting. Who cares who the assembly members are?AndreaParma_82 said:All 6 Labour Assembly Members re-standing managed to get re-selected in the end. Somes losses in and there but they all went over 2/3 threshold required.
Lewisham Deptford, West Ham, East Ham, Camberwell & Peckham and Ealing Central are the CLPs who voted against automatic re-selection of their incumbent AM. Streatham vote against their AM was ruled invalid because the CLP chair can't follow the guidelines (different wording on the ballot but I guess they could have lived with that. However, they also used different cut off deadline in who was entitled to vote)0 -
Surely the takeaway from this is that nominating the person isn’t going to be done straight away - not least because of the need for a new agreement with the DUP - and therefore Parliament will go into recess first?CarlottaVance said:A concerned friend writes:
What all this shows is that the new leader of the Conservative Party is unlikely to have a majority for his central policy come the autumn, and may not have a majority this July full stop.
If the latter is the case, then Mrs May will have to recommend that the Queen asks Jeremy Corbyn whether he can assemble a majority instead. If not, it’s election time.
No wonder Britain’s top civil servant has put the current Prime Minister on notice that her biggest decision may be still to come.
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Why?not_on_fire said:
Don’t worry, Phillip Thompson will be along shortly to tell us that Hastings is a proven liar...SirNorfolkPassmore said:
My favourite is, "he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge"IanB2 said:
”He cares for nothing but his own fame and gratification”SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
“a contempt for truth”
“his graver vice is cowardice”
“contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability”
“of weak character”
“a cavorting charlatan”
“Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him”
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As pointed out over the weekend (not by me), Hunt apparently does fly economy.not_on_fire said:
Cos Boris and Hunt fly economy, right?CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
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Serious heat is coming our way. Flee to the coast.0
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I will send 7 hours in KLM's Schiphol lounge on Friday due to changes in flight times - I really don't see what the problem is (for those that care the table I use is already reserved)not_on_fire said:
Cos Boris and Hunt fly economy, right?CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
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Don't you think it's just a bit unfair on Alan Partridge?Philip_Thompson said:
Why?not_on_fire said:
Don’t worry, Phillip Thompson will be along shortly to tell us that Hastings is a proven liar...SirNorfolkPassmore said:
My favourite is, "he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge"IanB2 said:
”He cares for nothing but his own fame and gratification”SouthamObserver said:Ouch ... Max Hastings on Johnson ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
“a contempt for truth”
“his graver vice is cowardice”
“contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability”
“of weak character”
“a cavorting charlatan”
“Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him”
That is a funny line.0 -
Boris is a complete joke. He really is. What are the Conservative Party thinking?0
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Could be a recent photo of Carrie and Ed Sheeran.CarlottaVance said:0 -
We haven't thought yet.Gallowgate said:Boris is a complete joke. He really is. What are the Conservative Party thinking?
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Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Rory Stewart has already made clear he won't serve under Boris.Tissue_Price said:
I would have thought the final 7 in the leadership (i.e. anyone who made the 5% cut) will be getting jobs. Of the rest (full Cabinet), Rudd, Mordaunt and perhaps Hinds are likeliest to stay on.IanB2 said:So who in the current cabinet do we think stands a chance of a job under Bottling Bozo? Mordaunt looks the only one completely safe? Lewis and the Saj maybe in with a chance.
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What nonsense from an often decent and admirable journalist. Brixit is damaging people's reason. It is a sane centrist Tory government that has gone AWOL, one that could do TM's deal or Norway for Now. A centre right revolt against the ludicrous extreme right is not a vote for the Marxist left.noneoftheabove said:
I think they have spent the last six months explaining it. The no dealers are obsessed with winning, the impact on the economy is neither here nor there.AlastairMeeks said:The Death Cult isn't happy that a different cult might get first dibs:
https://twitter.com/IsabelOakeshott/status/11431873512435466300 -
Mr and Mrs Hunt and their offspring were in the back with us peasants on a flight from Tokyo Haneida on Easter Monday. He sat in the row in front of me. I had a seat on the aisle (in the middle row). Across the aisle Mr Hunt had an aisle seat and his wife had a window seat. Like me he was watching 'Green Book'.not_on_fire said:
Cos Boris and Hunt fly economy, right?CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
https://twitter.com/eyespymp/status/1143194057918820352
Everyone knew who he was and left him alone. He carried out his family business with little fuss and expected, and got no preferential treatment from the ANA cabin staff.0 -
From April - but a good long read on Hunt:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/04/jeremy-hunt-last-cameroon0 -
That he believes in Brexit and is charismatic, and that will (they hope) be enough.Gallowgate said:Boris is a complete joke. He really is. What are the Conservative Party thinking?
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BBC1 7:30pm - "Life Of Pies"
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Theresa May will carry the can.CarlottaVance said:1 -
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Which now looks a very prudent and principled position to have taken.Cyclefree said:
Rory Stewart has already made clear he won't serve under Boris.Tissue_Price said:
I would have thought the final 7 in the leadership (i.e. anyone who made the 5% cut) will be getting jobs. Of the rest (full Cabinet), Rudd, Mordaunt and perhaps Hinds are likeliest to stay on.IanB2 said:So who in the current cabinet do we think stands a chance of a job under Bottling Bozo? Mordaunt looks the only one completely safe? Lewis and the Saj maybe in with a chance.
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We had comfortable majority governments from 1997 to 2015.Tabman said:
The last time we had a comfortable majority government was in 2005Alistair said:I'm glad we have first past the post voting, it gives us strong governments.
Coalition years took a coalition but the coalition had a comfortable majority.0 -
May and the candidate himself (notwithstanding they have chosen to reselect him). Clever stuff.JackW said:
Theresa May will carry the can.CarlottaVance said:0 -
To me, this is evidence of how sad our politicians have become.Mexicanpete said:
Mr and Mrs Hunt and their offspring were in the back with us peasants on a flight from Tokyo Haneida on Easter Monday. He sat in the row in front of me. I had a seat on the aisle (in the middle row). Across the aisle Mr Hunt had an aisle seat and his wife had a window seat. Like me he was watching 'Green Book'.not_on_fire said:
Cos Boris and Hunt fly economy, right?CarlottaVance said:Man of the people......
https://twitter.com/eyespymp/status/1143194057918820352
Everyone knew who he was and left him alone. He carried out his family business with little fuss and expected, and got no preferential treatment from the ANA cabin staff.0 -
And make the installation of her successor more problematic if as is likely the Tories loseJackW said:
Theresa May will carry the can.CarlottaVance said:
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When people are cornered and desperate they often panic. This is entirely consistent with that.Gallowgate said:Boris is a complete joke. He really is. What are the Conservative Party thinking?
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Who knows what they will do?Gallowgate said:Boris is a complete joke. He really is. What are the Conservative Party thinking?
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