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Who is this we?I would overwhelmingly prefer that you have no power at all over me.ReggieCide said:
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
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I won't post Bob Hope againAndyJS said:
If Javid had received one vote less today, Stewart might have been able to get most of his transfers and perhaps overtake Gove or Hunt.nico67 said:I think Stewart goes out tomorrow . Even if he had a good performance tonight there’s just not enough more moderate swing votes left.
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We is the UK, tosserPhukov said:
Who is this we?I would overwhelmingly prefer that you have no power at all over me.ReggieCide said:
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
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Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .1 -
Ah I see, thank youReggieCide said:
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
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Tried to wriggle out of paying me what he owed too. Worth a try I suppose, @Neil managed itMarqueeMark said:0 -
You're debating the value of two totally obnoxious options. I doubt that EITHER would be acceptable to the vast majority of the UK electoratenico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .0 -
I didn't watch, and a foreign friend who follows British politics messaged to ask if I had - I told him I am fed up of it now, and just want out. I really am, who could sit and listen to Rory Stewart talking about spending another 3 years wasting time with this pathetic Withdrawal Agreement? It's saps my energy just thinking about it.
The Tories, and Boris, have one more chance now and then that is it. If we do not leave by October, I can imagine that the betrayal narrative and anger will propel Mr Farage to Number 10 sooner than we think.0 -
Yep.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
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But they are the reality. There are no other viable choices.ReggieCide said:
You're debating the value of two totally obnoxious options. I doubt that EITHER would be acceptable to the vast majority of the UK electoratenico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .
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Ah, you're trying to include me in your "we". That's what I was afraid of.ReggieCide said:
We is the UK, tosserPhukov said:
Who is this we?I would overwhelmingly prefer that you have no power at all over me.ReggieCide said:
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
See, I don't know where you live, but I'd strongly prefer there to either be a border in between us or so many hundreds of millions of people that your vote is insignificant.
The UK is strangely cursed with a high concentration of people like you. And as I said, I don't want people like you to have any power at all. So fuck your "we".0 -
Hard not to sympathise with this viewViceroy_of_Orange said:I didn't watch, and a foreign friend who follows British politics messaged to ask if I had - I told him I am fed up of it now, and just want out. I really am, who could sit and listen to Rory Stewart talking about spending another 3 years wasting time with this pathetic Withdrawal Agreement? It's saps my energy just thinking about it.
The Tories, and Boris, have one more chance now and then that is it. If we do not leave by October, I can imagine that the betrayal narrative and anger will propel Mr Farage to Number 10 sooner than we think.0 -
It is. Well, it certainly elects 3 councillors to my Northumberland County Council. Which is in England.ReggieCide said:
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
That's the opposite of the Guardian story....TGOHF said:Labour to fight with the LDs as a party of Remain after a 2nd referendum.
This time we will follow your instructions- maybe...
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I am from the white half of north london which has historical-ish links with Northumberlanddixiedean said:
It is. Well, it certainly elects 3 councillors to my Northumberland County Council. Which is in England.ReggieCide said:
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
That is just so funny.rcs1000 said:Here's a good Boris Johnson story from Jeremy Vine:
https://www.facebook.com/1691455784407633/posts/2449074521979085/0 -
Bollocks, you're a wimpWhisperingOracle said:
But they are the reality. There are no other viable choices.ReggieCide said:
You're debating the value of two totally obnoxious options. I doubt that EITHER would be acceptable to the vast majority of the UK electoratenico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .-1 -
Interesting. I never felt European until I went to work in Taiwan. Among a very small ex-pat (I.e., immigrant) community, which was overwhelmingly American.nico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .
Then, I knew what being a European was.0 -
He paid me in fairness.MarqueeMark said:0 -
Democracy is about the collective, so that is what you're dismissingPhukov said:
Ah, you're trying to include me in your "we". That's what I was afraid of.ReggieCide said:
We is the UK, tosserPhukov said:
Who is this we?I would overwhelmingly prefer that you have no power at all over me.ReggieCide said:
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
See, I don't know where you live, but I'd strongly prefer there to either be a border in between us or so many hundreds of millions of people that your vote is insignificant.
The UK is strangely cursed with a high concentration of people like you. And as I said, I don't want people like you to have any power at all. So fuck your "we".
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No, I'm rational.ReggieCide said:
Bollocks, you're a wimpWhisperingOracle said:
But they are the reality. There are no other viable choices.ReggieCide said:
You're debating the value of two totally obnoxious options. I doubt that EITHER would be acceptable to the vast majority of the UK electoratenico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .
'Night.0 -
It's just occurred to me that Raab supporters might launch a one-off sting on Stewart tomorrow by voting en masse for Javid simply in order to knock out Stewart whose policies they most disagree with. Once he's out they could then vote for their first choices in the following rounds.0
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If Labour do shift to full remain it needs to be before a vote or during a conference speech, so that it feels remotely significant. Doing it in the middle of a random week when everyone is talking about the Tory leadership contest wouldn't make much impact.0
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Bruce Castle? Used to live up the street from there.ReggieCide said:
I am from the white half of north london which has historical-ish links with Northumberlanddixiedean said:
It is. Well, it certainly elects 3 councillors to my Northumberland County Council. Which is in England.ReggieCide said:
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
Its a temporary set back from the time of Edward I.dixiedean said:
It is. Well, it certainly elects 3 councillors to my Northumberland County Council. Which is in England.ReggieCide said:
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
Abdullah speaks out:
https://twitter.com/AbdullahPatel94/status/11410856749484974130 -
I'm sure it has occurred to Boris's people too.....AndyJS said:It's just occurred to me that Raab supporters might launch a one-off sting on Stewart tomorrow by voting en masse for Javid simply in order to knock out Stewart whose policies they most disagree with. Once he's out they could then vote for their first choices in the following rounds.
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I wonder if it crossed the minds of the BBC to have 1 question, just a token, from someone who is currently a Conservative and actually has a vote in this contest? Probably not.Phukov said:Abdullah speaks out:
https://twitter.com/AbdullahPatel94/status/11410856749484974130 -
Yeah, which collective? Are you Cumbrian, English, British, Unitedkindomish, European, a Citizen of Nowhere?ReggieCide said:
Democracy is about the collective, so that is what you're dismissingPhukov said:
Ah, you're trying to include me in your "we". That's what I was afraid of.ReggieCide said:
We is the UK, tosserPhukov said:
Who is this we?I would overwhelmingly prefer that you have no power at all over me.ReggieCide said:
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
See, I don't know where you live, but I'd strongly prefer there to either be a border in between us or so many hundreds of millions of people that your vote is insignificant.
The UK is strangely cursed with a high concentration of people like you. And as I said, I don't want people like you to have any power at all. So fuck your "we".
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It is the logical move. However, it assumes Raab fans are rational.AndyJS said:It's just occurred to me that Raab supporters might launch a one-off sting on Stewart tomorrow by voting en masse for Javid simply in order to knock out Stewart whose policies they most disagree with. Once he's out they could then vote for their first choices in the following rounds.
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You are the hard man of Brexit Steve Baker, and I claim my €5ReggieCide said:
Bollocks, you're a wimpWhisperingOracle said:
But they are the reality. There are no other viable choices.ReggieCide said:
You're debating the value of two totally obnoxious options. I doubt that EITHER would be acceptable to the vast majority of the UK electoratenico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .0 -
That depends which parts of America and which parts of Europe, Warren's Massachusetts for example is far less supportive of populist Trumpism than say Salvini's Italy.nico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/salvini-proclaims-italy-washingtons-best-000929624.html
Plus Switzerland and Norway and Iceland are highly educated, well run, wealthy democracies outside the EU0 -
Why? Conservative members make up about two people in every thousand and are completely unrepresentative of the population.DavidL said:
I wonder if it crossed the minds of the BBC to have 1 question, just a token, from someone who is currently a Conservative and actually has a vote in this contest? Probably not.Phukov said:Abdullah speaks out:
https://twitter.com/AbdullahPatel94/status/1141085674948497413
It's like at PMQs... the best moments come when opposition parties ask questions, whichever party is in power.
This is a question of who leads the whole country, that's why there are multiple televised hustings at all. If the candidates want a Tory circle jerk, they can organise one themselves, they're quite capable.0 -
And all 3 have freedom of movement . As for the USA if Democrats were in charge all the time I’d rephrase my Death Star analogy !HYUFD said:
That depends which parts of America and which parts of Europe, Warren's Massachusetts for example is far less supportive of populist Trumpism than say Salvini's Italy.nico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .
Plus Switzerland and Norway and Iceland are highly educated, well run, wealthy democracies outside the EU
If you think I dislike the Tories , my hate for the GOP is off the scale , any party who wants to force women into back street abortions , and who wants to force a woman to carry a child conceived by rape or incest are beneath contempt .
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Probably, although their priority appears to be making sure that Hunt stays ahead of Gove.MarqueeMark said:
I'm sure it has occurred to Boris's people too.....AndyJS said:It's just occurred to me that Raab supporters might launch a one-off sting on Stewart tomorrow by voting en masse for Javid simply in order to knock out Stewart whose policies they most disagree with. Once he's out they could then vote for their first choices in the following rounds.
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Most EU nations imposed transition controls on Eastern European migration unlike Blair's UK from 2004 to 2011 but while that was a factor it was sovereignty which was the biggest factor in the Leave vote.nico67 said:
And all 3 have freedom of movement . As for the USA if Democrats were in charge all the time I’d rephrase my Death Star analogy !HYUFD said:
That depends which parts of America and which parts of Europe, Warren's Massachusetts for example is far less supportive of populist Trumpism than say Salvini's Italy.nico67 said:
Interesting and a very good point .viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
Call me a snob but I put European culture , values etc way ahead of the USA . I see Brexit as likely to lead to the further Americanization and dumbing down of the country .
With Trumps brand of gutter politics and hateful rhetoric becoming normalized .
Brexit is the battle for the soul of the UK. Corbyn is on the wrong side of history . Once out of the EU orbit the UK will not be able to resist the tractor beam of the Death Star aka Trumps America .
Plus Switzerland and Norway and Iceland are highly educated, well run, wealthy democracies outside the EU
If you think I dislike the Tories , my hate for the GOP is off the scale , any party who wants to force women into back street abortions , and who wants to force a woman to carry a child conceived by rape or incest are beneath contempt .
I would also point out that abortion is still illegal in Poland and Northern Ireland unlike the USA and gay marriage is also not legal in Italy or most of Eastern Europe yet either, again unlike the USA. It is a mistake to see Europe solely through a socially liberal eye and the USA solely through a socially conservative one0 -
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.0 -
The Betfair Exchange odds have Hunt and Stewart as second and third favourites, but perhaps it ought to be Gove and Javid in those positions. Javid could knock out Stewart tomorrow, and more of Javid's votes could transfer to Gove than Hunt in the next round.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics0 -
Those countries that Leavers talked about all the time before 23 June 2016, and haven't mentioned once since?HYUFD said:
Plus Switzerland and Norway and Iceland are highly educated, well run, wealthy democracies outside the EU
With the exception of Lying Dan Hannan, who would just love to be like Switzerland, with the exception of where it contradicts his US paymasters, i.e. everywhere.0 -
More appealing to most British people might be CANZUK, which aims to bring about a sort of free movement union of Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand.rcs1000 said:
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.
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White commonwealth nations only club with zero support in Australia or NZ.AndyJS said:
More appealing to most British people might be CANZUK, which aims to bring about a sort of free movement union of Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand.rcs1000 said:
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.
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Not zero, but there's certainly a diminishing amount of interest in Australia these days. And I suspect that Western Canada feels similarly.asjohnstone said:
White commonwealth nations only club with zero support in Australia or NZ.AndyJS said:
More appealing to most British people might be CANZUK, which aims to bring about a sort of free movement union of Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand.rcs1000 said:
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International
It's easy to forget how much these countries now look more towards Asia than towards Blighty.0 -
I've heard this before, but my concern would be that the freedom of movement in question would be for people to move into the UK, not out of it....AndyJS said:
More appealing to most British people might be CANZUK, which aims to bring about a sort of free movement union of Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand.rcs1000 said:
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International
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All of those countries have significant non-white populations, especially Canada.asjohnstone said:
White commonwealth nations only club with zero support in Australia or NZ.AndyJS said:
More appealing to most British people might be CANZUK, which aims to bring about a sort of free movement union of Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand.rcs1000 said:
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK_International0 -
Andrew Sullivan:
"I knew Boris at Oxford. He was at Balliol and I was at Magdalen, but we were both debaters in the Oxford Union, and he became president of the Union in 1986, three years after I did, in 1983. We overlapped in his freshman year and, as president, I always loved calling on him to speak before the House, because it was never dull. Union politics back then was cutthroat but also huge fun, and I became quite fond of him because it was hard not to. He charms. He amuses. He has a certain charisma, and always has. That messy mop of blond? The same as when I knew him.
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Boris was so posh it was funny. At least that’s how I saw it. And what marked him as different from the other Etonians was his decision to embrace this, and make fun of himself in the process. Others came rather insecure about their privilege and played it down — think of fellow Etonian David Cameron who decided to call himself “Dave.” Not Boris. Alongside party-boy Darius Guppy and Charles Spencer, Diana’s brother, he reveled in it. As sitting president, I did my small part to help him gain his footing, despite a certain amount of class resentment I’m not really proud of.
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He has a first-class wit but a second-class mind and got a second-class degree. If you want to measure the quality of his scholarship, check out his deeply awful biography of Churchill, a thinly veiled attempt to redescribe his own career as a Second Coming of Winston."
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I think more than 50% of Australians births are to mothers of non-European origin now. In all honesty, while I could see the Canadians of Toronto and the Maritimes wanting and CANZUK type system, I'm not sure the Vancouvans care that much.AndyJS said:
All of those countries have significant non-white populations, especially Canada.asjohnstone said:
White commonwealth nations only club with zero support in Australia or NZ.AndyJS said:
More appealing to most British people might be CANZUK, which aims to bring about a sort of free movement union of Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand.rcs1000 said:
Of course. They would argue we have much more in common with the US, and that the US has been (with a few exceptions) more on our side historically than the Europeans.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
It's not an unreasonable view, it echoes how Australia saw itself as a UK outpost right up until about 1972.
And then there are the Brexiteers who think it's a false dichotomy, who think that we should support multinational organisations like the WTO, as they are the best guarantors of freedom for mid-sized countries who wish to retain freedom of action.
The first group love Donald Trump, the second don't.
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