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Boris is the English Alex Salmond IMHO.StuartDickson said:
Why store up trouble for the future when Boris can give you all your troubles right now?Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
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He is de facto PM because his party is leading most polls, and he won the most recent national elections, and he is therefore terrifying both main parties, who face total and final annihilation. And in the past five years Farage has manipulated British politics to the extent we are now Brexiting after a referendum he demanded._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
I predict Boris will win but Saj will stay as Home Sec. The sadness is that Farage would have wiped them all out. Farage is now de facto prime minister, and I suspect Farage knows it.0 -
So the next GE is going to a choice between left wing trump and right wing trump.0
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The BBC format wasn’t great .
But this is all going through the motions waiting for the real drama come the Autumn .
The problem for Bozo he’s trying to keep all sides happy and it will end in tears .0 -
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.0 -
Understood. But people in the rest of GB are very significantly impacted by the form of Brexit chosen.noneoftheabove said:
People in the rest of UK are clearly not as significantly impacted as those in NI.Cyclefree said:
All good points.noneoftheabove said:
NI would not be getting a yes/no on Brexit but on its implementation. Reasons why only NI would be:Cyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
1. Realpolitik to get the deal through parliament.
2. Because they are the ones most impacted by the border and customs arrangements.
3. Because if things go wrong there it could end up in civil war again.
Given life isnt always perfectly fair I dont think it would be unreasonable.
But the rest of us will also be impacted by the WA, just as significantly. So we too should get a vote on the WA.
I thought Brexiteers were in favour of the people having a say and all that. Why should people in NI get two goes at determining whether or not to Brexit and, if so, on what terms?
I am not a Brexiteer, although think the best option starting from here is now the WA, preferably with customs union.
As per previous answer NI wouldnt be getting a second go at determining whether to Brexit or not, or even deciding how to brexit, just an effective veto on the governments proposed Brexit.
If a vote is going to happen on the WA we should all get the chance to vote on it.0 -
We ie GB voted Leave and we ie GB back a Canada style FTA as our most favoured Brexit option which Boris would still deliver while enabling NI to decide on the backstop as per the below poll.Cyclefree said:
All good points.noneoftheabove said:
NI would not be getting a yes/no on Brexit but on its implementation. Reasons why only NI would be:Cyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
1. Realpolitik to get the deal through parliament.
2. Because they are the ones most impacted by the border and customs arrangements.
3. Because if things go wrong there it could end up in civil war again.
Given life isnt always perfectly fair I dont think it would be unreasonable.
But the rest of us will also be impacted by the WA, just as significantly. So we too should get a vote on the WA.
I thought Brexiteers were in favour of the people having a say and all that. Why should people in NI get two goes at determining whether or not to Brexit and, if so, on what terms?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
Diehard Remainers may still not like it as nothing less than overturning the referendum result will do for them but they lost the referendum so tough
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It was interesting they all stayed in their stools.isam said:
Trump would have left his within minutes and be prowling around behind Emily, looking down her dress.0 -
Clever Dave gave Farage what he wanted on a plate. Usually a politician has to win an election before getting their manifesto implemented. But not Farage._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
I predict Boris will win but Saj will stay as Home Sec. The sadness is that Farage would have wiped them all out. Farage is now de facto prime minister, and I suspect Farage knows it.0 -
Yet so scarily powerful is he, his party can’t even beat Labour in a seat where they MP was kicked out for being a criminal. Forgive me for failing to quiver at this political titan Sean.Byronic said:
He is de facto PM because his party is leading most polls, and he won the most recent national elections, and he is therefore terrifying both main parties, who face total and final annihilation. And in the past five years Farage has manipulated British politics to the extent we are now Brexiting after a referendum he demanded._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
I predict Boris will win but Saj will stay as Home Sec. The sadness is that Farage would have wiped them all out. Farage is now de facto prime minister, and I suspect Farage knows it.1 -
Tail wagging the dog.Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
NI - which voted Remain - should not be the part of the country which determines whether or not the whole country leaves without a Deal.
I am repeating myself. If there is to be a vote on the WA, everyone in the country should get a vote on it.0 -
I would certainly support a "do you want to accept the WA agreement or extend for another year to find the next solution" referendum. I would also be very content with any other referendum that did not have no deal as an option but wouldnt think it better or worse than leaving with a WA.Cyclefree said:
Understood. But people in the rest of GB are very significantly impacted by the form of Brexit chosen.noneoftheabove said:
People in the rest of UK are clearly not as significantly impacted as those in NI.Cyclefree said:
All good points.noneoftheabove said:
NI would not be getting a yes/no on Brexit but on its implementation. Reasons why only NI would be:Cyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
1. Realpolitik to get the deal through parliament.
2. Because they are the ones most impacted by the border and customs arrangements.
3. Because if things go wrong there it could end up in civil war again.
Given life isnt always perfectly fair I dont think it would be unreasonable.
But the rest of us will also be impacted by the WA, just as significantly. So we too should get a vote on the WA.
I thought Brexiteers were in favour of the people having a say and all that. Why should people in NI get two goes at determining whether or not to Brexit and, if so, on what terms?
I am not a Brexiteer, although think the best option starting from here is now the WA, preferably with customs union.
As per previous answer NI wouldnt be getting a second go at determining whether to Brexit or not, or even deciding how to brexit, just an effective veto on the governments proposed Brexit.
If a vote is going to happen on the WA we should all get the chance to vote on it.
A referendum with no deal as an option is far too risky for me, I would strongly prefer the WA to that. Remainers should be very careful what they wish for.0 -
My theory is that in his mind he does in fact envisage a deal, on some terms that he'll get round to thinking about in due course and will then sell to MPs with a cheery grin - hey, this is the best we can get, and really we need to get on with it, eh? If Parliament rejects this line of argument, he'll call an election and try it on the voters. For all I know, he might even succeed: many people seem very ready to accept this approach to politics.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?0 -
So why not have a UK wide backstop?Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.0 -
Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
As you well know, it is not just the customs checks which are the issue with a hard border.0 -
Not Sean, blah blah, Jesus you guys are obsessive, stalkery cuckolds. LET HIM GO._Anazina_ said:
Yet so scarily powerful is he, his party can’t even beat Labour in a seat where they MP was kicked out for being a criminal. Forgive me for failing to quiver at this political titan Sean.Byronic said:
He is de facto PM because his party is leading most polls, and he won the most recent national elections, and he is therefore terrifying both main parties, who face total and final annihilation. And in the past five years Farage has manipulated British politics to the extent we are now Brexiting after a referendum he demanded._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
I predict Boris will win but Saj will stay as Home Sec. The sadness is that Farage would have wiped them all out. Farage is now de facto prime minister, and I suspect Farage knows it.0 -
While I would prefer to Remain, what I really want to avoid is a No Deal exit. But that is what our political leaders, with the sole exception of Rory, who won't be PM - are intent on giving us.noneoftheabove said:
I would certainly support a "do you want to accept the WA agreement or extend for another year to find the next solution" referendum. I would also be very content with any other referendum that did not have no deal as an option but wouldnt think it better or worse than leaving with a WA.Cyclefree said:
Understood. But people in the rest of GB are very significantly impacted by the form of Brexit chosen.noneoftheabove said:
People in the rest of UK are clearly not as significantly impacted as those in NI.Cyclefree said:
All good points.noneoftheabove said:
NI would not be getting a yes/no on Brexit but on its implementation. Reasons why only NI would be:Cyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
1. Realpolitik to get the deal through parliament.
2. Because they are the ones most impacted by the border and customs arrangements.
3. Because if things go wrong there it could end up in civil war again.
Given life isnt always perfectly fair I dont think it would be unreasonable.
But the rest of us will also be impacted by the WA, just as significantly. So we too should get a vote on the WA.
I thought Brexiteers were in favour of the people having a say and all that. Why should people in NI get two goes at determining whether or not to Brexit and, if so, on what terms?
I am not a Brexiteer, although think the best option starting from here is now the WA, preferably with customs union.
As per previous answer NI wouldnt be getting a second go at determining whether to Brexit or not, or even deciding how to brexit, just an effective veto on the governments proposed Brexit.
If a vote is going to happen on the WA we should all get the chance to vote on it.
A referendum with no deal as an option is far too risky for me, I would strongly prefer the WA to that. Remainers should be very careful what they wish for.
Bastards.
And goodnight.0 -
As the voters of GB want a Canada style FTA and think it would be good for Britain by 50% to 24% and respect the referendum result by 65% to 10% as YouGov has showed_Anazina_ said:
So why not have a UK wide backstop?Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-0 -
Yes, I think that is close to the truth. Boris wants to wing it, and he hopes that we will all be so bored and irritated with Brexit we will agree, and forgive him.NickPalmer said:
My theory is that in his mind he does in fact envisage a deal, on some terms that he'll get round to thinking about in due course and will then sell to MPs with a cheery grin - hey, this is the best we can get, and really we need to get on with it, eh? If Parliament rejects this line of argument, he'll call an election and try it on the voters. For all I know, he might even succeed: many people seem very ready to accept this approach to politics.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
It is not edifying. Nonetheless, it might just work.0 -
I'm not liking this talk.Tissue_Price said:
If he does, isn't he also the most likely recipient of the majority of Rory's transfers - and thus be in pole position to make the final? It would be a hell of a story to survive by one vote and then get through to the members.JamesL said:This seems on the money - Rory bubble burst. I think Saj will beat him in the next round
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Yes but. Attention to academic detail is one thing. Applying it to complex, real world problem solving is another.rottenborough said:
I'm curious though. Can one get through a Oxford Classics degree without attention to detail?dixiedean said:
A PM is almost always a reaction to the previous one. So, we had someone who knew the minutiae inside out, but was utterly lacking in persuasion. And now we are going to get one who makes a virtue of not caring.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
But, something, something, charisma, bluster, yikes! Marxist! October 31 will have to do instead.
Latin and Greek translation is either right or wrong, or a matter of interpretation, allowing a latitude of imagination and scope for embellishments. It doesn't talk back, argue, or have implications for people or the economy.
It also doesn't require a wide range of interests or knowledge outside of its scope.0 -
Given the muted reaction to the latest ugly parade, I’d suggest sacking all of these clowns off and putting Charlie Falconer in charge.
Sorry that was just force of habit! I genuinely think I am replying to SeanT and am just being polite by calling you by your name!Byronic said:
Not Sean, blah blah, Jesus you guys are obsessive, stalkery cuckolds. LET HIM GO._Anazina_ said:
Yet so scarily powerful is he, his party can’t even beat Labour in a seat where they MP was kicked out for being a criminal. Forgive me for failing to quiver at this political titan Sean.Byronic said:
He is de facto PM because his party is leading most polls, and he won the most recent national elections, and he is therefore terrifying both main parties, who face total and final annihilation. And in the past five years Farage has manipulated British politics to the extent we are now Brexiting after a referendum he demanded._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
I predict Boris will win but Saj will stay as Home Sec. The sadness is that Farage would have wiped them all out. Farage is now de facto prime minister, and I suspect Farage knows it.0 -
‘I never understood the campaign for an independent Scotland…. Until now’
“... Scotland is about to be governed by a new UK Prime Minister elected by 160,000 Tory members, of which only 9,000 are based in Scotland, from a party that hasn’t won a major election in Scotland in 64 years, to deliver a Brexit that 62 per cent of Scotland’s voters rejected, and if that doesn’t justify another chance at independence I don’t know what does.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/i-never-understood-the-campaign-for-an-independent-scotland-until-now/15/06/0 -
I don’t even understand why that is relevant to the discussion to be honest.HYUFD said:
As the voters of GB want a Canada style FTA and think it would be good for Britain by 50% to 24% and respect the referendum result by 65% to 10% as YouGov has showed_Anazina_ said:
So why not have a UK wide backstop?Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
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lol. No worries. Salaam Alaikum._Anazina_ said:Given the muted reaction to the latest ugly parade, I’d suggest sacking all of these clowns off and putting Charlie Falconer in charge.
Sorry that was just force of habit! I genuinely think I am replying to SeanT and am just being polite by calling you by your name!Byronic said:
Not Sean, blah blah, Jesus you guys are obsessive, stalkery cuckolds. LET HIM GO._Anazina_ said:
Yet so scarily powerful is he, his party can’t even beat Labour in a seat where they MP was kicked out for being a criminal. Forgive me for failing to quiver at this political titan Sean.Byronic said:
He is de facto PM because his party is leading most polls, and he won the most recent national elections, and he is therefore terrifying both main parties, who face total and final annihilation. And in the past five years Farage has manipulated British politics to the extent we are now Brexiting after a referendum he demanded._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
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Yes we can follow SeanT on twitter instead, Mr Byronic 'I can't believe its not SeanT, definitely not SeanT, no connection to SeanT whatsoever!'Byronic said:
Not Sean, blah blah, Jesus you guys are obsessive, stalkery cuckolds. LET HIM GO._Anazina_ said:
Yet so scarily powerful is he, his party can’t even beat Labour in a seat where they MP was kicked out for being a criminal. Forgive me for failing to quiver at this political titan Sean.Byronic said:
He is de facto PM because his party is leading most polls, and he won the most recent national elections, and he is therefore terrifying both main parties, who face total and final annihilation. And in the past five years Farage has manipulated British politics to the extent we are now Brexiting after a referendum he demanded._Anazina_ said:
Farage is de facto PM how exactly? He is leader of a party that can’t even win a seat where they are 1/8 favourite. FFS.Byronic said:That was monumentally boring. Which, I think, favours Boris. He is over another hurdle.
Stewart underperformed. Beneath the phthisic Edwardian spectre, is a weirdly dull spy, and a phthisic Edwardian spectre. MEH
The one over-performer was Saj. He has gained through the contest.
I predict Boris will win but Saj will stay as Home Sec. The sadness is that Farage would have wiped them all out. Farage is now de facto prime minister, and I suspect Farage knows it.0 -
One tactic not remarked on (I think) is that Gove was the only one to try to attack Labour and Corbyn - three times. Presumably he calculates that members will feel that it's more appealing than blue-on-blue squabbling.0
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I also really want to avoid a No Deal exit, the best way to avoid it is not pushing for a referendum, the leave pitch is simpler and easier even if completely wrong, and old people vote. I agree the political leaders are bastards, but dont believe they will no deal Brexit unless events really force their hands.Cyclefree said:
While I would prefer to Remain, what I really want to avoid is a No Deal exit. But that is what our political leaders, with the sole exception of Rory, who won't be PM - are intent on giving us.noneoftheabove said:
I would certainly support a "do you want to accept the WA agreement or extend for another year to find the next solution" referendum. I would also be very content with any other referendum that did not have no deal as an option but wouldnt think it better or worse than leaving with a WA.Cyclefree said:
Understood. But people in the rest of GB are very significantly impacted by the form of Brexit chosen.noneoftheabove said:
People in the rest of UK are clearly not as significantly impacted as those in NI.Cyclefree said:
All good points.noneoftheabove said:
NI would not be getting a yes/no on Brexit but on its implementation. Reasons why only NI would be:Cyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
Given life isnt always perfectly fair I dont think it would be unreasonable.
But the rest of us will also be impacted by the WA, just as significantly. So we too should get a vote on the WA.
I thought Brexiteers were in favour of the people having a say and all that. Why should people in NI get two goes at determining whether or not to Brexit and, if so, on what terms?
I am not a Brexiteer, although think the best option starting from here is now the WA, preferably with customs union.
As per previous answer NI wouldnt be getting a second go at determining whether to Brexit or not, or even deciding how to brexit, just an effective veto on the governments proposed Brexit.
If a vote is going to happen on the WA we should all get the chance to vote on it.
A referendum with no deal as an option is far too risky for me, I would strongly prefer the WA to that. Remainers should be very careful what they wish for.
Bastards.
And goodnight.
The chances of no deal are certainly higher than before March, but I am expecting more fudge and paralysis, not that that is a great place for the UK to be either.
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But "we" isn't the issue. The ERG is the issue. The Labour MP leavers are the issue. The Tory MP Remainers are the issue.Byronic said:
Yes, I think that is close to the truth. Boris wants to wing it, and he hopes that we will all be so bored and irritated with Brexit we will agree, and forgive him.NickPalmer said:
My theory is that in his mind he does in fact envisage a deal, on some terms that he'll get round to thinking about in due course and will then sell to MPs with a cheery grin - hey, this is the best we can get, and really we need to get on with it, eh? If Parliament rejects this line of argument, he'll call an election and try it on the voters. For all I know, he might even succeed: many people seem very ready to accept this approach to politics.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
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I think you're right that Stewart won't be prime minister this autumn. I think he might be by next spring though, whether we're in or out.Cyclefree said:
While I would prefer to Remain, what I really want to avoid is a No Deal exit. But that is what our political leaders, with the sole exception of Rory, who won't be PM - are intent on giving us.noneoftheabove said:
I would certainly support a "do you want to accept the WA agreement or extend for another year to find the next solution" referendum. I would also be very content with any other referendum that did not have no deal as an option but wouldnt think it better or worse than leaving with a WA.Cyclefree said:
Understood. But people in the rest of GB are very significantly impacted by the form of Brexit chosen.noneoftheabove said:
People in the rest of UK are clearly not as significantly impacted as those in NI.Cyclefree said:
All good points.noneoftheabove said:
NI would not be getting a yes/no on Brexit but on its implementation. Reasons why only NI would be:Cyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
1. Realpolitik to get the deal through parliament.
2. Because they are the ones most impacted by the border and customs arrangements.
3. Because if things go wrong there it could end up in civil war again.
Given life isnt always perfectly fair I dont think it would be unreasonable.
But the rest of us will also be impacted by the WA, just as significantly. So we too should get a vote on the WA.
I thought Brexiteers were in favour of the people having a say and all that. Why should people in NI get two goes at determining whether or not to Brexit and, if so, on what terms?
I am not a Brexiteer, although think the best option starting from here is now the WA, preferably with customs union.
As per previous answer NI wouldnt be getting a second go at determining whether to Brexit or not, or even deciding how to brexit, just an effective veto on the governments proposed Brexit.
If a vote is going to happen on the WA we should all get the chance to vote on it.
A referendum with no deal as an option is far too risky for me, I would strongly prefer the WA to that. Remainers should be very careful what they wish for.
Bastards.
And goodnight.
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Talking of PB legends, did Tim ever come back under another name? Be great to see him posting on the current chaos.1
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Cowardly and timid sums up his campaign. He was 3-0 up after 20 minutes and has decided to put 11 behind the ball, roll around injured, hoof the ball into the stand, and take an age over every throw in.Byronic said:Boris' big downfall was Abdullah from Wotsit.
Boris should have had the courage of his convictions and said "I don't like the niqab and burqa. We should tolerate it, but I cannot pretend to like it".
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When over half a Membership are happy to destroy their own party over Brexit then clearly the Tories have been overrun by BP and UKIPers.
I’ve never voted Tory but clearly the soul of the party is now being ripped out. Labour also have big problems .
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+1_Anazina_ said:Talking of PB legends, did Tim ever come back under another name? Be great to see him posting on the current chaos.
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He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
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As that is what Boris will deliver_Anazina_ said:
I don’t even understand why that is relevant to the discussion to be honest.HYUFD said:
As the voters of GB want a Canada style FTA and think it would be good for Britain by 50% to 24% and respect the referendum result by 65% to 10% as YouGov has showed_Anazina_ said:
So why not have a UK wide backstop?Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
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On 'any new deal renegotiated' so a Boris deal only, not the current WA.TGOHF said:Wow - Labour abandons leave voters.
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1141107999039209480?s=21
Plus I doubt Ian Lavery will approve as Labour Chair
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Well what a total shambles that "debate" was... A complete mess. How did the BBC manage to make something that you'd think woiuld be relatively straight forward to put on and totally **** it up?
Anyway my scores:
Rory: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Looked weird. Shockingly dreadful body language. Sounded weird. Appears to be in the wrong party and just doing this to troll everyone else, Crashed and burned. Out tomorrow surely? (2)
Gove: Slightly less irritating than on the C4 debate but still totally self absorbed almost to the point of narcissism. A very, very irritating character. Did take the fight to Jezza though. (4)
Javid: Slightly less bland than on the C4 debate but he just doesn't seem to have "it". Is he angling to be COTE in Boris's government? (5)
Hunt: Slightly less bland than on C4 debate and overall looked sensible and rational. Came out of what was at times car crash TV relatively unscathed. (6)
Boris: Did well. No one laid a glove on him. Kept to his own script and didn't respond when baited (especially by Maitlis) A mature performance though at the end of it no one has the faintest idea what he'll do about Brexit - Which is a win for him at this stage. (7)
On that performance should be Boris Vs Hunt in the members ballot.0 -
Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
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Yeah still don’t see how that is in anyway relevant to what we were discussing, my fault no doubtHYUFD said:
As that is what Boris will deliver_Anazina_ said:
I don’t even understand why that is relevant to the discussion to be honest.HYUFD said:
As the voters of GB want a Canada style FTA and think it would be good for Britain by 50% to 24% and respect the referendum result by 65% to 10% as YouGov has showed_Anazina_ said:
So why not have a UK wide backstop?Charles said:
No. The issue with the backstop is the potential customs checks between GB and NI. That is a matter of huge sensitivity for the people of NI. Their consent should be sought for that. If they say “no” the. We can’t sigb the WA and leave without a deal.Cyclefree said:
And the rest of GB does not have a uniquely complex history? What about Scotland?Charles said:
Because of its uniquely complex historyCyclefree said:
If NI gets a referendum on the deal, why can't the rest of us?noneoftheabove said:
The EU do not want the backstop! It is there purely for Ireland. It gives NI a unique trade advantage over the rest of the EU and the UK. It allows NI to have their cake and eat it, which the EU spent a long time trying to stop happening.HYUFD said:
I would have thought even the EU liked Rory Stewart who said he would accept the WA as is, backstop and all and ruled out No Deal?Roger said:Cheer yourselves up with the radiant Katya Adler. She thought in the opinion of the EU they were all crap.
Allowing NI a referendum on the backstop would be a good policy, has Johnson actually suggested or is it just friends of/sources close to? Seems very unlikely it could be done by October, fortunately he has not tied himself to delivering that any more than T May promised to leave by March.
Sorry: this is just typical of Brexiteer plans - if they can be called that. It's all Heath Robinson-ish: do this to to sort that problem out, then when another problem appears come up with some other vaguely plausible bollocks and so on ad infinitum, like a sort of Brexit Whack-A-Mole. But it all ends up as an incoherent mess which annoys even more people and stores up trouble for the future.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
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He offered £50 as a boast to anyone who could answer a riddle on Tory taxes then crywanked when it turned out he’d made a complete Boris of the question._Anazina_ said:0 -
I thought this already was their policy!!TGOHF said:Wow - Labour abandons leave voters.
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Surely Boris is home and hosed - apt for RA?GIN1138 said:Well what a total shambles that "debate" was... A complete mess. How did the BBC manage to make something that you'd think woiuld be relatively straight forward to put on and totally **** it up?
Anyway my scores:
Rory: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Looked weird. Shockingly dreadful body language. Sounded weird. Appears to be in the wrong party and just doing this to troll everyone else, Crashed and burned. Out tomorrow surely? (2)
Gove: Slightly less irritating than on the C4 debate but still totally self absorbed almost to the point of narcissism. A very, very irritating character. Did take the fight to Jezza though. (4)
Javid: Slightly less bland than on the C4 debate but he just doesn't seem to have "it". Is he angling to be COTE in Boris's government? (5)
Hunt: Slightly less bland than on C4 debate and overall looked sensible and rational. Came out of what was at times car crash TV relatively unscathed. (6)
Boris: Did well. No one laid a glove on him. Kept to his own script and didn't respond when baited (especially by Maitlis) A mature performance though the end of it no one has the faintest idea what he'll do about Brexit - Which is a win for him. (7)
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"My friends, as I have discovered myself, there are never disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters!"Jonathan said:https://twitter.com/crispeater/status/1141089640042115072?s=21
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Wow - someone thought they knew what their policy was/ is?_Anazina_ said:
I thought this already was their policy!!TGOHF said:Wow - Labour abandons leave voters.
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Labour to fight with the LDs as a party of Remain after a 2nd referendum.
This time we will follow your instructions- maybe...
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You still have time on your side, Mr HY.HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
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That's a close callTOPPING said:
He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?0 -
They are both seemingly the party of "fuck the electorate"TGOHF said:Labour to fight with the LDs as a party of Remain after a 2nd referendum.
This time we will follow your instructions- maybe...
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More precisely, he thinks that a predicted poll lead and landslide for the Conservatives under his premiership will make the selectorate (right word?) ignore, excuse and defend any lie, stupidity or contradictory statement he might care to make.TOPPING said:
He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
We're all past the point now of thinking that telling people that politician X is lying/wrong/thick as horseshit will make them change their mind. They already know that and are ignoring it.0 -
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .
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Corbyn's move makes it more likely Stewart will be PM after Boris, I think. Boris is already making indications he won't push for no-deal. If he's then defenestrated by a party terrified of Farage and wating a harder Brexit, his harder-Brexit successor will all face all the same problems, hitting the wall of parliament. By that point united opposition pressure would have shifted the momentum to a second ref or at the very least a citizen's assembly, opening the way for Stewart.0
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The losers consoling each other?HYUFD said:0 -
Yeah, well, now that Raab's out he reckons he can tack in the other direction. If Brexiteers or anyone else thinks they've got a firm, unshakeable commitment from him on anything - Brexit, Heathrow, taxes, whatever - they really have not been paying attention. His style reminds me of a Danish Prime Minister noted for his U-turns (Jens Otto Krag), who said blandly "I have a position until I have a different one." He got away with it too.TGOHF said:0 -
https://youtu.be/wTxUPXOMhq8WhisperingOracle said:The Corbyn move makes it more likely Stewart will be PM after Boris, I think. Boris is already making indications he won't push for no-deal. If he's then defenestrated by a party terrified of Farage and wating a harder Brexit, his harder-Brexit successor will face similar problems, hitting the wall of parliament. By that point united opposition pressure would have shifted the momentum to a second ref or at the very least a citizen's assembly, opening the way for Stewart.
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I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.viewcode said:
More precisely, he thinks that a predicted poll lead and landslide for the Conservatives under his premiership will make the selectorate (right word?) ignore, excuse and defend any lie, stupidity or contradictory statement he might care to make.TOPPING said:
He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
We're all past the point now of thinking that telling people that politician X is lying/wrong/thick as horseshit will make them change their mind. They already know that and are ignoring it.
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I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?
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Speaks well of you_Anazina_ said:isam said:
PM Farage the best betRichard_Nabavi said:I wasn't watching the whole thing, fortunately, but I've read the blogs and looked at a few excerpts.
What an embarrassment. To think these are all present or recent Cabinet Ministers, and I'm a member of their party. The shame of it.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1141094684439273472?s=21
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Liked the comment that I am now watching Love Island as I need something high brow after the debate.rottenborough said:Blimey, every single commentator or pol journalist I have checked on twitter has called this in varying degrees, a disgrace, a national embarrassment, the worst broadcast they can remember, a shouty mess, a squabble, kids in a playground, a cock measuring competition etc etc.
Then, I read this:
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1141073762948923393
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Italy already is, as is Brazilnico67 said:
I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.viewcode said:
More precisely, he thinks that a predicted poll lead and landslide for the Conservatives under his premiership will make the selectorate (right word?) ignore, excuse and defend any lie, stupidity or contradictory statement he might care to make.TOPPING said:
He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
We're all past the point now of thinking that telling people that politician X is lying/wrong/thick as horseshit will make them change their mind. They already know that and are ignoring it.0 -
I don't think anyone looks ridiculous supporting Stewart, before or after, really. He still came out of that debate asking the most rational questions, but was just effectively shouted down.GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?0 -
Well, Leave voters abandoned Labour despite Labour being pro-leave. So fuck em.TGOHF said:Wow - Labour abandons leave voters.
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1141107999039209480?s=210 -
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:
I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.viewcode said:
More precisely, he thinks that a predicted poll lead and landslide for the Conservatives under his premiership will make the selectorate (right word?) ignore, excuse and defend any lie, stupidity or contradictory statement he might care to make.TOPPING said:
He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
We're all past the point now of thinking that telling people that politician X is lying/wrong/thick as horseshit will make them change their mind. They already know that and are ignoring it.0 -
Not really they’re both anti no dealers and he’s the only one ruling it out .GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?0 -
So — who's going to be out tomorrow: Javid or Stewart?0
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Not in Peterborough, they might after that.Phukov said:
Well, Leave voters abandoned Labour despite Labour being pro-leave. So fuck em.TGOHF said:Wow - Labour abandons leave voters.
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1141107999039209480?s=21
It is also only a vague promise in the event of a new Deal which requires a new Deal first0 -
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
He's the Tories' Corbyn - just this far I hopeWhisperingOracle said:
I don't think anyone looks ridiculous supporting Stewart, before or after, really. He still came out of that debate asking the most rational questions, but was just effectively shouted down.GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?0 -
ReggieCide said:
He's the Tories' Corbyn - just this far I hopeWhisperingOracle said:
I don't think anyone looks ridiculous supporting Stewart, before or after, really. He still came out of that debate asking the most rational questions, but was just effectively shouted down.GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?
He's the Tories' canary in the coalmine, I think.0 -
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
spot on but not a great recommendationnico67 said:
Not really they’re both anti no dealers and he’s the only one ruling it out .GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?0 -
Just because the UK is chock full of idiots, doesn't mean we can't laugh at how stupid America is too.nico67 said:
I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.viewcode said:
More precisely, he thinks that a predicted poll lead and landslide for the Conservatives under his premiership will make the selectorate (right word?) ignore, excuse and defend any lie, stupidity or contradictory statement he might care to make.TOPPING said:
He's not ignorant. Or that ignorant. He thinks we are.Chris said:
Boris Johnson really doesn't understand that the transition period is linked to a deal, and that without a deal there won't be a transition period?Cyclefree said:
No. David Davis regularly comes out with the same rubbish.Chris said:
I asked this on the other thread, but it only excited a bit of nonsense about the miracles Boris was going to perform.Foxy said:Fact checkers on Boris are having a field day. No one could survive on PB with these howlers, let alone as PM.
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1141063639903944704?s=19
https://twitter.com/BBCRealityCheck/status/1141072037345202178?s=19
We're doomed. Indy Scotland is going to need a Trump style wall to keep out refugee sassenachs.
Does Johnson really think there is going to be a transition period after No Deal, or is he being misrepresented here?
None of them seem to realise that when Britain leaves without a deal, it will be - as far as the EU is concerned - a third country. No different in legal terms to Afghanistan. We will have less leverage than before and will be faced with the prospect of either putting on tariffs to protect some of our industries - but at a cost to consumers - or having no or low tariffs and probably destroying quite a lot of our industries and removing pretty much all incentives to enter into FTAs with us.
And that's without getting into all the other problems that No Deal raises for us.
Still, that's what we will likely get because the Tory party has decided to fetishise a date.
How can someone who is aspiring to be prime minister be so mind-blowingly ignorant?
We're all past the point now of thinking that telling people that politician X is lying/wrong/thick as horseshit will make them change their mind. They already know that and are ignoring it.
In fact, I think we still have a way to go. The US elected a guy who bragged about sexual assault and who mocked a guy's disability. Trump is so ubiquitous now that we forget just what an unrepentant shit he actually is. He belongs in a cage. I don't think we can say that about Boris yet.0 -
Here's a good Boris Johnson story from Jeremy Vine:
https://www.facebook.com/1691455784407633/posts/2449074521979085/0 -
What's the point of supporting someone who's a complete and utter no hoper?nico67 said:
Not really they’re both anti no dealers and he’s the only one ruling it out .GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?
I'm sorry but no one with Rory's appalling body language (looking down at the the floor?) and arrogance (at times he gave off the air of a man who thought the whole thing was just a waste of his time) will ever be Prime Minister.
If they hadn't been driven totally mad by Brexit they would be supporting Hunt who obviously will never do No Deal but actually looks and sounds reasonably Prime Ministerial...0 -
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
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I think Stewart goes out tomorrow . Even if he had a good performance tonight there’s just not enough more moderate swing votes left.
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Race, n:TGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
What's controversial about that?0 -
I thought that was the definition of a "nation", not a "race". Or am I wrong?Phukov said:
Race, n:TGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
What's controversial about that?0 -
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
Hunt is a more intelligent chameleon than Boris, with some finish. Stewart has shown signs of both intellectual and interpersonal skills over the course of his unexpectedly meteoric brief campaign that put him ahead of that. He'll be back.GIN1138 said:
What's the point of supporting someone who's a complete and utter no hoper?nico67 said:
Not really they’re both anti no dealers and he’s the only one ruling it out .GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?
I'm sorry but no one with Rory's appalling body language (looking down at the the floor?) and arrogance (at times he gave off the air of a man who thought the whole thing was just a waste of his time) will ever be Prime Minister.
If they hadn't been driven totally mad by Brexit they would be supporting Hunt who obviously will never do No Deal but actually looks and sounds reasonably Prime Ministerial...0 -
Five miles north is in Scotland (or, rather, Scottish waters)ReggieCide said:
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0 -
If Javid had received one vote less today, Stewart might have been able to get most of his transfers and perhaps overtake Gove or Hunt.nico67 said:I think Stewart goes out tomorrow . Even if he had a good performance tonight there’s just not enough more moderate swing votes left.
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The idea that having been at one time a diplomat qualifies you for any kind of political position is, for me at least, absurdGIN1138 said:
What's the point of supporting someone who's a complete and utter no hoper?nico67 said:
Not really they’re both anti no dealers and he’s the only one ruling it out .GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?
I'm sorry but no one with Rory's appalling body language (looking down at the the floor?) and arrogance (at times he gave off the air of a man who thought the whole thing was just a waste of his time) will ever be Prime Minister.
If they hadn't been driven totally mad by Brexit they would be supporting Hunt who obviously will never do No Deal but actually looks and sounds reasonably Prime Ministerial...0 -
It's one definition of race. There are others.viewcode said:
I thought that was the definition of a "nation", not a "race". Or am I wrong?Phukov said:
Race, n:TGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
What's controversial about that?
The point is, it's a normal use of the word race.0 -
NickPalmer said:
Yeah, well, now that Raab's out he reckons he can tack in the other direction.
It'd certainly make sense purely for the leadership election, and no question he's cynical enough ...... but isn't he going to need BXP supporters to return in their droves for the coming general? Any suggestion he's gone all floppy kills that off.
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I never once said most Scots support No Deal, though even No Deal does not guarantee independence as the Scottish pensioner vote would still vote strongly No.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .
I said most Scots support a Canada style FTA as the poll I linked to showed0 -
I was expressing a choice from two options. I would overwhelmingly prefer that we ruled ourselves.viewcode said:
One of my rather inchoate theories concerning Brexit was that some Brexiteers were perfectly happy with the UK being ruled by another country, they just thought it should be a different one. See also "Brexit was an argument between two sets of elites".ReggieCide said:
I'd go for that over the EU colony that the Brussels twerps joked about.nico67 said:I no longer take the piss out of the USA for voting for Trump . Seeing as the UK will soon be turned into a US colony it may aswell start voting in a similar fashion.
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Hunt is Mitt Romney and can equally 'etch a sketch'WhisperingOracle said:
Hunt is a more intelligent chameleon than Boris, with some finish. Stewart has shown signs of both intellectual and interpersonal skills over the course of his unexpectedly meteoric brief campaign that put him ahead of that. He'll be back.GIN1138 said:
What's the point of supporting someone who's a complete and utter no hoper?nico67 said:
Not really they’re both anti no dealers and he’s the only one ruling it out .GIN1138 said:
I guess Rory realized he'd blown himself up with that hour long car crash and Javid, being a nice guy, was consoling him.HYUFD said:
Don't the likes of Lidington and Gauke now look kind of ridiculous supporting Rory Not Tory?
I'm sorry but no one with Rory's appalling body language (looking down at the the floor?) and arrogance (at times he gave off the air of a man who thought the whole thing was just a waste of his time) will ever be Prime Minister.
If they hadn't been driven totally mad by Brexit they would be supporting Hunt who obviously will never do No Deal but actually looks and sounds reasonably Prime Ministerial...0 -
I know it's close, I was pointing out that close isn't in.Phukov said:
Five miles north is in Scotland (or, rather, Scottish waters)ReggieCide said:
I thought Berwick is in England even though it plays in the Scottish leaguesTGOHF said:
SD still trying to convince himself that whether you live 5 miles north or south of Berwick makes you from a different race.StuartDickson said:
Yesterday you were telling us that most Scots support No Deal. You really are an authority on the Scottish nation. I defer to your immense wisdom.HYUFD said:
Bozo reunites the rightwing vote in Scotland against the SNP and Bozo also will deliver a FTA for GB that avoids No Dealnico67 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts . It’s game over for the UK . A Bozo premiership and no deal disaster will finish it off .HYUFD said:
Last time I checked the Tories were still in power and Scotland was still in the Union and we have not even Brexited yetnico67 said:Cameron .
Destroyed his party .
Destroyed his country .
Destroyed the Union.
At least Blair only fucked other countries .0
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