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You can think of a better Tory leader than a big emptiness on which they can project what they wish to be true?Nigel_Foremain said:
It is the empty podium, the new leader of the Conservative Party.williamglenn said:
"I endorse Rory Stewart"Phukov said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/745232091550449664Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!0 -
Some do, but I fear not enough. The party has been too heavily infiltrated by headbangersTOPPING said:The better the press Stewart gets the more MPs will back him. Their eyes are on the GE and want someone who has a chance of winning it. That would be Stewart.
Of course the membership has no such long term vision.0 -
Thank goodness. Stewart is the only one with a hope in hell of saving the SCon MPs.TOPPING said:The better the press Stewart gets the more MPs will back him. Their eyes are on the GE and want someone who has a chance of winning it. That would be Stewart.
Of course the membership has no such long term vision.0 -
By the bloke hanging around with Corbyn & the new MP on the campaign, and at the countSean_F said:
Peterborough has had problems with electoral fraud in the past.JackW said:Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
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Well indeed.StuartDickson said:
Thank goodness. Stewart is the only one with a hope in hell of saving the SCon MPs.TOPPING said:The better the press Stewart gets the more MPs will back him. Their eyes are on the GE and want someone who has a chance of winning it. That would be Stewart.
Of course the membership has no such long term vision.0 -
They also want someone who can unite the party, which isn't Stewart, unfortunately.TOPPING said:The better the press Stewart gets the more MPs will back him. Their eyes are on the GE and want someone who has a chance of winning it. That would be Stewart.
It isn't Boris either, of course, but they haven't figured that out yet.0 -
Don't most of his points relate to the transition only?Richard_Nabavi said:Keep on walkin', goalposts:
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/11406376960979558411 -
Yep. Bonkers hardly begins to cover it.williamglenn said:Don't most of his points relate to the transition only?
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It is amazing how many people think no dealers will be happy with no deal.Richard_Nabavi said:Keep on walkin', goalposts:
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1140637696097955841
They will never be happy. It will be the wrong flavour of no deal, Boris did not believe enough in no deal, he is not even a proper leaver, we have been sold out, it is an establishment stitch up, we have been betrayed. No dealers exist to be angry, not to support any policy, even ones they were responsible for creating like Brexit. They will never be happy.2 -
In other news, I have a delicious homemade lasagne in the oven.
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F1: well... Ferrari have just requested the right to have a review of the Vettel penalty.
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Two days before the referendum? anyone remember what was was about?Phukov said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/745232091550449664Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!0 -
Maybe he's one of them thar self hating Turks.Chris said:
Boris is prejudiced against Turks? He is a Turk!Roger said:
Do you think it might be a good time to list Boris's prejudices or is that one for nearer the election? So far it's Gays Scots Piccaninnies Liverpudlians Turks Texans Papua New Guinians .......williamglenn said:Should Rory be disqualified?
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Mr. Gin, I'd guess it'd be when Cameron's advisers told him they had every chance of losing and he made a last minute plea for Remain.1
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Last time I checked, none of the many definitions of what constitutes a Scot is representing a constituency north of the Border.RobD said:
Did you read the article?williamglenn said:Should Rory be disqualified?
https://twitter.com/dennynews/status/1140621909631131648?s=21
Boris Johnson once declared that “government by a Scot is just not conceivable in the current constitutional context”, with the Tory MP claiming Gordon Brown suffered from “a personal political disability” as he represented a constituency north of the Border.
Last time I checked, Penrith and the Borders was south of the border.
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It was Cameron’s final speech pleading for people to vote Remain.GIN1138 said:
Two days before the referendum? anyone remember what was was about?Phukov said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/745232091550449664Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!1 -
Conservative?TOPPING said:
LOL now listening to someone explain why they were thrown off Love Island as seeing your post I instantly tuned into R5.Phukov said:
Yes, I just found a tweet of an empty podium, to follow on Morris_Dancer's joke about the Empty Chair become PM.Foxy said:
The tweet is from 3 yr ago.DavidL said:
I've changed my mind?Phukov said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/745232091550449664Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to make you switch on the news frantically.
Edit: sounds like it was for use of the C word.0 -
Of course not. Which is why the Conservatives will never, ever out-Brexit the Brexit Party.noneoftheabove said:
It is amazing how many people think no dealers will be happy with no deal.Richard_Nabavi said:Keep on walkin', goalposts:
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1140637696097955841
They will never be happy. It will be the wrong flavour of no deal, Boris did not believe enough in no deal, he is not even a proper leaver, we have been sold out, it is an establishment stitch up, we have been betrayed. No dealers exist to be angry, not to support any policy, even ones they were responsible for creating like Brexit. They will never be happy.
It’s like trying to out-looney a lunatic. One is play-acting, the other is for real.0 -
It was the minimum penalty that could be given..Morris_Dancer said:F1: well... Ferrari have just requested the right to have a review of the Vettel penalty.
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Rory is unstoppable.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
I notice Matt didn't label him the Liz Kendall of the Tories....StuartDickson said:0 -
I suspect he had Lidlington’s vote in the last round, so it’s probably more his emerging from the Rory closet than a switcher.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
He just might be. But I’m keeping out of this market.Chris said:
Rory is unstoppable.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Sky News - David Liddington endorses Rory Stewart.0
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24 off the over - Bangladesh now taking the piss.0
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Lidington had backed Hancock. I suppose he might still have voted for Rory but I doubt it.IanB2 said:
I suspect he had Lidlington’s vote in the last round, so it’s probably more his emerging from the Rory closet than a switcher.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Another endorsement for Stewart .
David Lidington after having backed Hancock earlier. The notion that his support would move to Bozo seems way off the mark now.
I think Hancock has done huge damage to his brand by his desperate arse licking job of Bozo .0 -
Liddington backed Hancock in Round 1IanB2 said:
I suspect he had Lidlington’s vote in the last round, so it’s probably more his emerging from the Rory closet than a switcher.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Matt is often insightful. He has a talent for feeling the zeitgeist.Nigelb said:
I notice Matt didn't label him the Liz Kendall of the Tories....StuartDickson said:0 -
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.0 -
A pathetic bowling performance by the West Indies.0
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Yes, though the number of top-edges falling into space [occasionally abetted by some half-arsed fielding] has been extraordinary too. Good effort from the Banglas.AndyJS said:A pathetic bowling performance by the West Indies.
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Four hundred?MarqueeMark said:
Crikey.JackW said:Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48665324
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
How many people would forget their date of birth or have changed their signatures? Bar a possible few cases of frail elderly people who struggle to write due to arthritis that’s up to four hundred attempted postal vote frauds to start with.
Simple answer - unless you are disabled, elderly or housebound or can prove you are on holiday or away on business you must vote in person. You could even alllow early voting at council offices to deal with the latter.
Preserve the secret ballot - no photos or family members allowed in the booth - and this problem disappears!
Certain parties will hate it of course - you can’t expect people to walk five mins to their local school when they have a mere 15 hour window!
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Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.0
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I’ve seen at last one person admit to misunderstanding the dob question and put today’s date. It’s like doing an exam and not reading the question correctly, it does happen.brendan16 said:
Four hundred?MarqueeMark said:
Crikey.JackW said:Cambridgeshire police investigating five further allegations relating to the Peterborough by-election - three relating to postal votes and one each relating to bribery and privacy :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48665324
"Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received.
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
How many people would forget their date of birth or have changed their signatures? Bar a possible few cases of frail elderly people who struggle to write due to arthritis that’s up to four hundred attempted postal vote frauds to start with.
Simple answer - unless you are disabled, elderly or housebound or can prove you are on holiday or away on business you must vote in person. You could even alllow early voting at council offices to deal with the latter.
Preserve the secret ballot - no photos or family members allowed in the booth - and this problem disappears!
Certain parties will hate it of course - you can’t expect people to walk five mins to their local school when they have a mere 15 hour window!0 -
It wouldn't surprise me if there's a recount tomorrow to establish whether Rory has got 32 or 33 votes. It's going to be that close.0
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Not Javid?PoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
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We hear a lot about leavers willing to wreck the country to get Brexit, but not a peep when the remain faction proposes putting Hancock, a buffoon of the order of Boris (just with less hair and four syllable words), in charge.JackW said:
Liddington backed Hancock in Round 1IanB2 said:
I suspect he had Lidlington’s vote in the last round, so it’s probably more his emerging from the Rory closet than a switcher.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
The (modest) gamble today has been on Javid coming bottom. It's a good three-way market.PoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
https://www.bet365.com/#/AC/B5/C20652304/D1/E42255231/F2/0 -
Irrespective of the WI shortcomings, this has been a fantastic effort from Bangladesh. They might surprise one of the heavyweights.Tissue_Price said:
Yes, though the number of top-edges falling into space [occasionally abetted by some half-arsed fielding] has been extraordinary too. Good effort from the Banglas.AndyJS said:A pathetic bowling performance by the West Indies.
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A Little Boogie Woogiekinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
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Excellent if truePoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
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Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”0 -
I didn't think anyone with a sensible surname such as Hunt got on to such a programTheuniondivvie said:
Conservative?TOPPING said:
LOL now listening to someone explain why they were thrown off Love Island as seeing your post I instantly tuned into R5.Phukov said:
Yes, I just found a tweet of an empty podium, to follow on Morris_Dancer's joke about the Empty Chair become PM.Foxy said:
The tweet is from 3 yr ago.DavidL said:
I've changed my mind?Phukov said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/745232091550449664Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, polling has Don't Know beating Corbyn and May comfortably. If enough MPs abstain, no MP will make it to the next round and become leader.
Don't Know will prove the inescapably brilliant instrument of Conservative victory. Aided by masterly activity and never alienating anyone, the Empty Chair will sweep all before it!
Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to make you switch on the news frantically.
Edit: sounds like it was for use of the C word.0 -
Snap. Repulsive character.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excellent if truePoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
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#BelieveInTheBinwilliamglenn said:0 -
I could be wrong but think he'll scrape over the line. Got to be safe to assume 80% at least of Raab backers move to Boris...or vote for Hunt in final vote to stop Rory getting on the ballot?AndyJS said:
Not Javid?PoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
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Sorry, but I don't think that makes any sense.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
I can't imagine anyone would stop listening to Beethoven if he turned out to be a sadistic mass murderer. Nor should they, I think. What good would it do?
But if you do believe in boycotting composers because you object to their behaviour, I don't think the quality of their music should come into it.0 -
This can't be right, PB/twitter tells us the general public love Rory...AndyJS said:From this it seems Tory members would like it to be Johnson v Raab.
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Talking of repulsive characters: Sammy Wilson = Paul Danielswilliamglenn said:0 -
How difficult is it to remember your own date of birth and sign your name and then stuff a piece of paper you have marked an x on for your perferred candidate in one envelope, seal it put it it another envelope and then post that?malcolmg said:
Yes and my wife was also dropped off postal voting as a result. Pretty crap.DavidL said:
I had no idea it was so high to be honest. Puts me off having a postal vote. So easy to make a mistake.Phukov said:
More figures in here.Andrew said:
3.9%. A little higher than average.MarqueeMark said:
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Last 3 generals % postage rejected: 2017 2.4%, 2015 3.3%, 2010 3.8%
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/81678/Postal-vote-verification-and-rejection-in-Great-Britain.pdf
Over 4% is not unusual at all.
This is more conspiracy theory nonsense. Sad to see people get swept up so easily in it.
It’s hardly rocket science?0 -
PoliticsSchmolitics said:
Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
I think Raab, Javid and Rory will fall tomorrow.0 -
I believe Raab knew he would have to be the most extreme brexiteer as his USP and the only way he could beat Boris is to threaten to prorogue Parliament.StuartDickson said:
Snap. Repulsive character.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excellent if truePoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
Absolute madness but it is common in the extreme brexiteers sadly0 -
I do too. Very poor show. His 'brand' is now shallow young man on the make.nico67 said:Another endorsement for Stewart .
David Lidington after having backed Hancock earlier. The notion that his support would move to Bozo seems way off the mark now.
I think Hancock has done huge damage to his brand by his desperate arse licking job of Bozo .
What a shame. He could have been our Bobby Kennedy.0 -
I think Hancock is very duplicitous. He may well publically back BJ but i imagine he will vote for Hunt in the secet ballot!nico67 said:Another endorsement for Stewart .
David Lidington after having backed Hancock earlier. The notion that his support would move to Bozo seems way off the mark now.
I think Hancock has done huge damage to his brand by his desperate arse licking job of Bozo .0 -
New Zealand doesn’t care where you come from as long as you can prove you can speak fluent English, have skllls or qualifications in roles they have vacancies or shortages in, are generally young or if over 55 can invest a over a million NZ dollars - but no free healthcare though - and are unlikely to be a burden on their welfare system.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think the very tolerant people of New Zealand would particularly want themAnorak said:
You'd think they'd be happier moving to a remote part of New Zealand. Happy to chip in for the air fare.Nigel_Foremain said:
I sometimes wonder if a large number of leavers are actually psychos. After all, we know they don't care that much if people lose their jobs and businesses, and they even accept that this is almost certain, while before the referendum they denied it. Depression and suicide rates generally go up with such business and job losses, but this is clearly worth it in the psychotic minds of many Brexiters. Now it seems that according to Philip Thompson, armed conflict is also worth it for Brexit purity. And they wonder why I accuse them of fascism!TOPPING said:
Preferable that the troubles restart.Philip_Thompson said:
Upholding peace is not absurd. Doing so at any price is.Gallowgate said:@Philip_Thompson why is upholding the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland 'absurd'?
The backstop is that NI would be effectively annexed by the EU/Eire and that NI would be subject to EU/Eire laws without getting a say in them. If that had been the agreement proposed on Good Friday it would have (quite rightly) been rejected. As such I am prepared to reject it now. Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed, though I don't want or expect either.
Unbelievable. What with that and your desire to go to war with the EU if they impose phyto-sanitary checks on us I can only assume you're posting this from the recruiting office?
But thats horribly intolerant and bigoted isn’t it - at least when it is suggested we do the same here!0 -
Preservation of reputable brands is hardly the Tory forté du jour.kinabalu said:
I do too. Very poor show. His 'brand' is now shallow young man on the make.nico67 said:Another endorsement for Stewart .
David Lidington after having backed Hancock earlier. The notion that his support would move to Bozo seems way off the mark now.
I think Hancock has done huge damage to his brand by his desperate arse licking job of Bozo .
What a shame. He could have been our Bobby Kennedy.0 -
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”1 -
Being that bonkers may go down well with the members vote, but is a killer in the MPs vote. MPs won't vote to prorogue themselves in a moment of decision.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe Raab knew he would have to be the most extreme brexiteer as his USP and the only way he could beat Boris is to threaten to prorogue Parliament.StuartDickson said:
Snap. Repulsive character.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excellent if truePoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
Absolute madness but it is common in the extreme brexiteers sadly0 -
Disagree as I do with everything he says nevertheless I thought he was genuine last night and the only non bullshit merchant there apart from Stewart.PoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
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Have you ever actually seen a postal voting pack or attended the opening of postal votes? 4% of people making an error is perfectly plausible. It's quite easy to get it wrong or miss something out and a high proportion of postal votes goo to the elderly.brendan16 said:
How difficult is it to remember your own date of birth and sign your name and then stuff a piece of paper you have marked an x on for your perferred candidate in one envelope, seal it put it it another envelope and then post that?malcolmg said:
Yes and my wife was also dropped off postal voting as a result. Pretty crap.DavidL said:
I had no idea it was so high to be honest. Puts me off having a postal vote. So easy to make a mistake.Phukov said:
More figures in here.Andrew said:
3.9%. A little higher than average.MarqueeMark said:
Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."
Last 3 generals % postage rejected: 2017 2.4%, 2015 3.3%, 2010 3.8%
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/81678/Postal-vote-verification-and-rejection-in-Great-Britain.pdf
Over 4% is not unusual at all.
This is more conspiracy theory nonsense. Sad to see people get swept up so easily in it.
It’s hardly rocket science?
It's frankly rubbish to claim that rejected postal votes are evidence of attempted fraud.0 -
I think some other pop stars have admitted sex with underage girls in the recent past. I cannot remember which one but I think it depends on how big a star they were at the peak to the amount of revulsion. Gary Gliter seems to have got away lightly in comparison despite proven guilt as opposed to probable guilt.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.0 -
Proroguing parliament is not “madness”, it is a highly calculated undermining of democracy. Raab in not careless. He is built of dark, dark matter.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe Raab knew he would have to be the most extreme brexiteer as his USP and the only way he could beat Boris is to threaten to prorogue Parliament.StuartDickson said:
Snap. Repulsive character.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excellent if truePoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
Absolute madness but it is common in the extreme brexiteers sadly
Shame on the modern Conservative and Unionist Party for fostering such a beast.0 -
Your newfound affection for the UK parliament is heartwarming.StuartDickson said:
Proroguing parliament is not “madness”, it is a highly calculated undermining of democracy. Raab in not careless. He is built of dark, dark matter.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe Raab knew he would have to be the most extreme brexiteer as his USP and the only way he could beat Boris is to threaten to prorogue Parliament.StuartDickson said:
Snap. Repulsive character.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Excellent if truePoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
Absolute madness but it is common in the extreme brexiteers sadly
Shame on the modern Conservative and Unionist Party for fostering such a beast.0 -
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”1 -
Also, those Tory voters who want a soft/Norway/Swiss etc Brexit...
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Well at least he admits it is by magic such a position will emerge. I'll apologise to him if that proves true, but why people are so confident when plans rely on magical solutions is beyond me.williamglenn said:0 -
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”0 -
Rory clearly comes from the James Blunt school of social media...AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Reminds me of another cast iron argument against the WA...that the EU have agreed to it, ergo it must be bad.williamglenn said:
Don't most of his points relate to the transition only?Richard_Nabavi said:Keep on walkin', goalposts:
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His music is rubbish, it only works as part of the novelty act with the moonwalking and stuff. Can you imagine anyone usefully or interestingly doing a cover of any of his output? He was never any bigger than Sinatra was, and who knows or cares about Sinatra these days except for My bloody Way, and inspiring bits of The Godfather?Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”0 -
Neither pardophiles, nor the beneficiaries of their Estate, should thrive.Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”0 -
That is news to gladden the heart. I keep on trying lasagne in various Italian restaurants, but I've yet to find one that matches a good homemade effort.Gallowgate said:In other news, I have a delicious homemade lasagne in the oven.
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New Zealand’s immigration rates are many multiples of the UK’s. Are you proposing that Britain should drastically increase the number of immigrants?brendan16 said:
New Zealand doesn’t care where you come from as long as you can prove you can speak fluent English, have skllls or qualifications in roles they have vacancies or shortages in, are generally young or if over 55 can invest a over a million NZ dollars - but no free healthcare though - and are unlikely to be a burden on their welfare system.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think the very tolerant people of New Zealand would particularly want themAnorak said:
You'd think they'd be happier moving to a remote part of New Zealand. Happy to chip in for the air fare.Nigel_Foremain said:
I sometimes wonder if a large number of leavers are actually psychos. After all, we know they don't care that much if people lose their jobs and businesses, and they even accept that this is almost certain, while before the referendum they denied it. Depression and suicide rates generally go up with such business and job losses, but this is clearly worth it in the psychotic minds of many Brexiters. Now it seems that according to Philip Thompson, armed conflict is also worth it for Brexit purity. And they wonder why I accuse them of fascism!TOPPING said:
Preferable that the troubles restart.Philip_Thompson said:
Upholding peace is not absurd. Doing so at any price is.Gallowgate said:@Philip_Thompson why is upholding the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland 'absurd'?
The backstop is that NI would be effectively annexed by the EU/Eire and that NI would be subject to EU/Eire laws without getting a say in them. If that had been the agreement proposed on Good Friday it would have (quite rightly) been rejected. As such I am prepared to reject it now. Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed, though I don't want or expect either.
Unbelievable. What with that and your desire to go to war with the EU if they impose phyto-sanitary checks on us I can only assume you're posting this from the recruiting office?
But thats horribly intolerant and bigoted isn’t it - at least when it is suggested we do the same here!0 -
☺BannedInParis said:A Little Boogie Woogie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsfKfg8KU5A
Wow - so THAT is now my favourite. What a track.0 -
Pretty much everything that he did after Thriller was dross, but his work with the Jackson 5 and early solo stuff showed exceptional talent.Ishmael_Z said:
His music is rubbish, it only works as part of the novelty act with the moonwalking and stuff. Can you imagine anyone usefully or interestingly doing a cover of any of his output? He was never any bigger than Sinatra was, and who knows or cares about Sinatra these days except for My bloody Way, and inspiring bits of The Godfather?Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”
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Alex Deane doesn’t see the stupidity of his argument . How about the millions of Tories who voted to Remain . Using his logic the Tories should go with the minority and revoke Article 50.Harris_Tweed said:Also, those Tory voters who want a soft/Norway/Swiss etc Brexit...
https://twitter.com/ajcdeane/status/1140669858843152384?s=20
Labour is now 70+ for Remain .0 -
Am at the Rory rally at the Festival Hall.
David Lidington has endorsed him. Also present are David Gauke and P Masterson MPs.
About 300 people here.0 -
I think Gove could do it, if Stewart continues to pick up Remainers that will limit Hunt's capacity for growth but he is probably still too far back to make the final 2. Once Raab is likely knocked out more of his backers will go to Gove as a Leaver than Remainers Hunt and Stewart too.
After having a Remainer as PM in May failing to deliver Brexit it would be poetic if the 2 biggest figures in Vote Leave, Boris and Gove, fought it out to succeed her0 -
Ask him how he thinks he could possibly get parliament to get his citizen's assembly idea through, given that is his hope of getting the WA through. Because it seems like he is selling us a unicorn.Cyclefree said:Am at the Rory rally at the Festival Hall.
David Lidington has endorsed him. Also present are David Gauke and P Masterson MPs.
About 300 people here.0 -
I really do think it is graded rather than binary.Chris said:Sorry, but I don't think that makes any sense.
I can't imagine anyone would stop listening to Beethoven if he turned out to be a sadistic mass murderer. Nor should they, I think. What good would it do?
But if you do believe in boycotting composers because you object to their behaviour, I don't think the quality of their music should come into it.
For example, imagine that Hitler's watercolours were absolutely first class. By any measure amongst the finest ever painted.
Would they be hanging in the Louvre? I would suggest not.0 -
Blunt was Harrow thougheek said:
Rory clearly comes from the James Blunt school of social media...AlastairMeeks said:1 -
Sorry just about stopped laughing after Matt Hancock was compared to Bobby Kennedy!kinabalu said:
I do too. Very poor show. His 'brand' is now shallow young man on the make.nico67 said:Another endorsement for Stewart .
David Lidington after having backed Hancock earlier. The notion that his support would move to Bozo seems way off the mark now.
I think Hancock has done huge damage to his brand by his desperate arse licking job of Bozo .
What a shame. He could have been our Bobby Kennedy.0 -
Same as every artist, it's all opinion. I like some of his songs, don't like others.Ishmael_Z said:
His music is rubbish, it only works as part of the novelty act with the moonwalking and stuff. Can you imagine anyone usefully or interestingly doing a cover of any of his output? He was never any bigger than Sinatra was, and who knows or cares about Sinatra these days except for My bloody Way, and inspiring bits of The Godfather?Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”0 -
Raab is the only one with a feasible plan. Admittedly it's an affront to democracy but it a) could work (in the sense of getting us out of the EU) and b) hasn't yet been tried.TOPPING said:
Disagree as I do with everything he says nevertheless I thought he was genuine last night and the only non bullshit merchant there apart from Stewart.PoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
Stewart's citizens assemblies are a bizarre idea that don't get us closer to sorting Brexit at all.0 -
I avoided that point because, well, will of the people. But yesnico67 said:
Alex Deane doesn’t see the stupidity of his argument . How about the millions of Tories who voted to Remain . Using his logic the Tories should go with the minority and revoke Article 50.Harris_Tweed said:Also, those Tory voters who want a soft/Norway/Swiss etc Brexit...
https://twitter.com/ajcdeane/status/1140669858843152384?s=20
Labour is now 70+ for Remain .0 -
He still gets good royalties from a particular one of his songs that is played a lot in North America at ice hockey games.The_Taxman said:I think some other pop stars have admitted sex with underage girls in the recent past. I cannot remember which one but I think it depends on how big a star they were at the peak to the amount of revulsion. Gary Gliter seems to have got away lightly in comparison despite proven guilt as opposed to probable guilt.
I think it's Rock'n'Roll part one.0 -
Agree on the first, not on the second. The man is dead. Anyone still living who enabled his crimes should be prosecuted if it is possible. But if the beneficiaries are innocent, I really don't see why they should be punished.StuartDickson said:
Neither pardophiles, nor the beneficiaries of their Estate, should thrive.Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”0 -
As I said, the airbrushing is ongoing. Give it a while and even Thriller and the early solo and J5 stuff will be forgotten.Foxy said:
Pretty much everything that he did after Thriller was dross, but his work with the Jackson 5 and early solo stuff showed exceptional talent.Ishmael_Z said:
His music is rubbish, it only works as part of the novelty act with the moonwalking and stuff. Can you imagine anyone usefully or interestingly doing a cover of any of his output? He was never any bigger than Sinatra was, and who knows or cares about Sinatra these days except for My bloody Way, and inspiring bits of The Godfather?Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Stevens OTOH - "Shaky" - would probably see his music airbrushed out of the popular consciousness in the event of something such as driving without due care and attention.
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”
Maggie Thatcher fans take note.0 -
Raab has a feasible plan? Exactly what is it as leaving without a deal and without the legal paperwork in place to leave without a deal really doesn't sound like a plan to me....rkrkrk said:
Raab is the only one with a feasible plan. Admittedly it's an affront to democracy but it a) could work (in the sense of getting us out of the EU) and b) hasn't yet been tried.TOPPING said:
Disagree as I do with everything he says nevertheless I thought he was genuine last night and the only non bullshit merchant there apart from Stewart.PoliticsSchmolitics said:Feels like Raab likely to be only elimination tomorrow.
Stewart's citizens assemblies are a bizarre idea that don't get us closer to sorting Brexit at all.0 -
NZ has also had several immigration amnesties over the years, most recently in 2000, I think.AlastairMeeks said:
New Zealand’s immigration rates are many multiples of the UK’s. Are you proposing that Britain should drastically increase the number of immigrants?brendan16 said:
New Zealand doesn’t care where you come from as long as you can prove you can speak fluent English, have skllls or qualifications in roles they have vacancies or shortages in, are generally young or if over 55 can invest a over a million NZ dollars - but no free healthcare though - and are unlikely to be a burden on their welfare system.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think the very tolerant people of New Zealand would particularly want themAnorak said:
You'd think they'd be happier moving to a remote part of New Zealand. Happy to chip in for the air fare.Nigel_Foremain said:
I sometimes wonder if a large number of leavers are actually psychos. After all, we know they don't care that much if people lose their jobs and businesses, and they even accept that this is almost certain, while before the referendum they denied it. Depression and suicide rates generally go up with such business and job losses, but this is clearly worth it in the psychotic minds of many Brexiters. Now it seems that according to Philip Thompson, armed conflict is also worth it for Brexit purity. And they wonder why I accuse them of fascism!TOPPING said:
Preferable that the troubles restart.Philip_Thompson said:
Upholding peace is not absurd. Doing so at any price is.Gallowgate said:@Philip_Thompson why is upholding the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland 'absurd'?
The backstop is that NI would be effectively annexed by the EU/Eire and that NI would be subject to EU/Eire laws without getting a say in them. If that had been the agreement proposed on Good Friday it would have (quite rightly) been rejected. As such I am prepared to reject it now. Let me be abundantly clear, it is preferable to me that the Troubles restart than the backstop is agreed, though I don't want or expect either.
Unbelievable. What with that and your desire to go to war with the EU if they impose phyto-sanitary checks on us I can only assume you're posting this from the recruiting office?
But thats horribly intolerant and bigoted isn’t it - at least when it is suggested we do the same here!
A very different approach to their Windrush Generation, of Pacific Islanders who are nearly 10% of the population0 -
That's why her stuff is elevated to religious level adoration.StuartDickson said:
As I said, the airbrushing is ongoing. Give it a while and even Thriller and the early solo and J5 stuff will be forgotten.Foxy said:
Pretty much everything that he did after Thriller was dross, but his work with the Jackson 5 and early solo stuff showed exceptional talent.Ishmael_Z said:
His music is rubbish, it only works as part of the novelty act with the moonwalking and stuff. Can you imagine anyone usefully or interestingly doing a cover of any of his output? He was never any bigger than Sinatra was, and who knows or cares about Sinatra these days except for My bloody Way, and inspiring bits of The Godfather?Luckyguy1983 said:
Disgust and anger at Michael Jackson's crimes is a morally right response. Ignoring and in some way suppressing his music because of his crimes is in my opinion a politically correct response.StuartDickson said:
Opposition to paedophilia is not “political correctness”. I find your response very concerning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It has nothing to do with Jackson, but in fifty years, I suspect political correctness as a societal trend will be on its way to being looked upon as a crude excess of the late 20th and early 21st century. Much like lice-infested powdered wigs and tulip fever. As wirh everyone throughout history, we think of ourselves as the most advanced version of humanity, but actually we're just people, conforming or not conforming to the social mores of our time.StuartDickson said:
Disagree regarding Jackson. The airbrushing is ongoing.kinabalu said:
This is a matter I have often contemplated. I think it comes down to the relativities between the stature of the artist and the seriousness of the offence. The greater the artist the worse the offence that can be tolerated without stopping listening.The_Taxman said:IIRC Wagner was an anti-semite and was Hitlers favourite composer. Maybe Corbyn likes him as well! It does create a dicotomy as to whether you can appreciate the music given Wagners views.
Michael Jackson is a good example. He is so massive and influential an entertainer that (IMO) his stuff will still be played and listened to and watched for generations. Paedophilia notwithstanding.
Shakin Steven
Favourite tracks by these two?
Beat It.
This Ole House.
It’ll take a heck of a long time, but in fifty years the kidz will be asking “who?”
Maggie Thatcher fans take note.0
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