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One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.kinabalu said:Einstein wasn't THAT bright. Plenty others brighter. David Willetts?
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No, he definitely isn't.DecrepitJohnL said:Sorry if this has been answered before but is David Cameron (whose PPS GW once was) part of Team Boris? Cameron, like Boris, ducked debates, and for reasons I do not claim to understand, Cameron seemed far more relaxed about Boris campaigning for Leave than about Gove doing so.
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Is social intelligence the same as emotional intelligence? Sounds like it.StuartDickson said:HR folk go on about such things. I usually ignore them, but apparently it is very important in heads of organisations.
Interestingly, given TM was apparently so lacking in it, women are supposed to be stronger on EQ than men. However men and women are equal on IQ.
Putting this together means that women are mentally superior to men - one win and one draw.
But of course men are physically superior.
Therefore taking physical and mental attributes together, in the round and as a weighted average, the 2 main genders are dead equal to each other.
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Memory, I would say, is strongly and positively correlated to intelligence and vice versa. I bet David Willetts, for example, has a very good memory.0 -
You would know what motivates people, the carrot as well as the stick.PaulM said:Would have thought that the black arts of the whips office would be much less effective in a secret ballot rather than a recorded Parliamentary vote.
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Judging the intelligence of successful people isn't always easy. I knew a copywriter who was on a salary of £ 160,000 at a time when that was a lot of money. He was Irish and not well educated but he had a skill for simple ideas and was responsible for a particularly well known beer campaign. But all he ever wanted to do was write stories or plays. He bombarded every publication and publisher for years and never got a single one published.Cyclefree said:
Fair enough.Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong. I was replying to the implied syllogismCyclefree said:
Einstein was highly intelligent. Einstein had a terrible memory.Ishmael_Z said:
Sorry to sound dim but could you expressly state the false syllogism(s) you are talking about?Cyclefree said:
The false syllogism says hello.Ishmael_Z said:
1. How many books have you written?StuartDickson said:
Idle: accepted.another_richard said:
I know there's general PB disdain for Williamson but he certainly seems effective in behind the scenes roles.StuartDickson said:
I find Richard Leonard “interesting” and certainly “thought-provoking”, but hardly persuasive.another_richard said:Thanks, that's an interesting and thought provoking read.
This is most definitely a Richard Leonard thread. A bit of a Z-lister.
It is perhaps another indictment of May's leadership that she moved him to a position he wasn't suited to.
Boris, being idle but intelligent, might prove better at putting the square pegs in the square holes.
But intelligent? According to Gove he has a memory like a sieve. How many intelligent people do you know who cannot remember an important conversation they had yesterday?
2. Einstein notoriously had a terrible memory.
I have a terrible memory. Therefore I’m highly intelligent.
No intelligent person has a bad memory
Boris has a bad memory
Therefore Boris is not an intelligent person
by disproving the major premise. If you want it expanded into another syllogism
Einstein was an intelligent person
Einstein had a bad memory
Therefore at least one intelligent person [therefore not "no intelligent person"] has a bad memory.
I was responding to the suggestion that because both had a bad memory they were both intelligent.
Boris may well be bright. But he seems to me to lack qualities of character, without which his intelligence is pointless and potentially dangerous. I have worked with many people like him in the City. More than a few ended up in trouble.
Quite unsuitable for any position of leadership or responsibility. IMO.0 -
Effective whipping is more than just promises, threats and badgering.PaulM said:Would have thought that the black arts of the whips office would be much less effective in a secret ballot rather than a recorded Parliamentary vote.
It is listening to people, understanding them, convincing them and yes making promises/threats accordingly.
GW seems able to do all of it. That will be effective in a secret ballot. May's government since he left the whips office seemed to have a tin ear.0 -
Any source for that?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, he definitely isn't.DecrepitJohnL said:Sorry if this has been answered before but is David Cameron (whose PPS GW once was) part of Team Boris? Cameron, like Boris, ducked debates, and for reasons I do not claim to understand, Cameron seemed far more relaxed about Boris campaigning for Leave than about Gove doing so.
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I expect that Boris doesn't have a bad memory, it's more that he just doesn't pay attention, especially to someone who he thinks can't help his career.0
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Yes, but not ones I can reveal.Philip_Thompson said:
Any source for that?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, he definitely isn't.DecrepitJohnL said:Sorry if this has been answered before but is David Cameron (whose PPS GW once was) part of Team Boris? Cameron, like Boris, ducked debates, and for reasons I do not claim to understand, Cameron seemed far more relaxed about Boris campaigning for Leave than about Gove doing so.
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Evening Gin, Had visitors this afternoon , combine that with grandson getting me up at crack of dawn and I think I may be snoozing early. May be better after dinner mind you.GIN1138 said:
Hope all well with you , and your Irn Bru is original recipe.1 -
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£160,000 still is a lot of money, @Roger!Roger said:
Judging the intelligence of successful people isn't always easy. I knew a copywriter who was on a salary of £ 160,000 at a time when that was a lot of money. He was Irish and not well educated but he had a skill for simple ideas and was responsible for a particularly well known beer campaign. But all he ever wanted to do was write stories or plays. He bombarded every publication and publisher for years and never got a single one published.Cyclefree said:
Fair enough.Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong. I was replying to the implied syllogismCyclefree said:
Einstein was highly intelligent. Einstein had a terrible memory.Ishmael_Z said:
Sorry to sound dim but could you expressly state the false syllogism(s) you are talking about?Cyclefree said:
The false syllogism says hello.Ishmael_Z said:
1. How many books have you written?StuartDickson said:
Idle: accepted.another_richard said:StuartDickson said:another_richard said:Thanks, that's an interesting and thought provoking read.
But intelligent? According to Gove he has a memory like a sieve. How many intelligent people do you know who cannot remember an important conversation they had yesterday?
2. Einstein notoriously had a terrible memory.
I have a terrible memory. Therefore I’m highly intelligent.
No intelligent person has a bad memory
Boris has a bad memory
Therefore Boris is not an intelligent person
by disproving the major premise. If you want it expanded into another syllogism
Einstein was an intelligent person
Einstein had a bad memory
Therefore at least one intelligent person [therefore not "no intelligent person"] has a bad memory.
I was responding to the suggestion that because both had a bad memory they were both intelligent.
Boris may well be bright. But he seems to me to lack qualities of character, without which his intelligence is pointless and potentially dangerous. I have worked with many people like him in the City. More than a few ended up in trouble.
Quite unsuitable for any position of leadership or responsibility. IMO.
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Did you see the polling on that .Cyclefree said:I
No Deal Brexiteers are risking people’s lives in NI.nico67 said:Whilst the UK media were obsessed with the Tory leadership challenge a report on the effects of no deal on Northern Ireland came and went .
In a nutshell an economic catastrophe . NI economy has a huge amount of SMEs and this sector will be obliterated with a no deal , farming likely to go to the wall aswell.
Even if you could put some arrangements in close to the border , the cost of customs compliance means many businesses couldn’t afford that .
Whats astonishing is that some in the DUP like Sammy Wilson couldn’t care less about no deal, even though business after business there are panicking . It’s despicable that the DUP will become the handmaidens of no deal and will be giving a green light to huge job losses of the constituents they’re supposed to serve .
Notwithstanding the effects on the peace process .
Many things are likely to be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit but it’s shameful that 20 years of peace could be thrown into jeopardy because of that .
“Shameful” is far too polite a word to describe that.
Tragic , so many Leavers couldn’t care less if Brexit caused a return of the troubles .
And two thirds of Leave voters prioritize Brexit over keeping the UK together . So given a choice they’d be happy to see the end of the UK , on the world stage what would be left .
So much for Global Britain ! And these people have the gall to question the patriotism of Remainers .0 -
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Cyclefree said:
What have you got against @rcs1000’s mother-in-law?
In my experience (which I'm afraid extends beyond the singular) mothers-in-law are delightful individuals. Pity they are almost always married.0 -
Rog...man of the people.Cyclefree said:
£160,000 still is a lot of money, @Roger!Roger said:
Judging the intelligence of successful people isn't always easy. I knew a copywriter who was on a salary of £ 160,000 at a time when that was a lot of money. He was Irish and not well educated but he had a skill for simple ideas and was responsible for a particularly well known beer campaign. But all he ever wanted to do was write stories or plays. He bombarded every publication and publisher for years and never got a single one published.Cyclefree said:
Fair enough.Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong. I was replying to the implied syllogismCyclefree said:
Einstein was highly intelligent. Einstein had a terrible memory.Ishmael_Z said:
Sorry to sound dim but could you expressly state the false syllogism(s) you are talking about?Cyclefree said:
The false syllogism says hello.Ishmael_Z said:
1. How many books have you written?StuartDickson said:
Idle: accepted.another_richard said:StuartDickson said:another_richard said:Thanks, that's an interesting and thought provoking read.
But intelligent? According to Gove he has a memory like a sieve. How many intelligent people do you know who cannot remember an important conversation they had yesterday?
2. Einstein notoriously had a terrible memory.
I have a terrible memory. Therefore I’m highly intelligent.
No intelligent person has a bad memory
Boris has a bad memory
Therefore Boris is not an intelligent person
by disproving the major premise. If you want it expanded into another syllogism
Einstein was an intelligent person
Einstein had a bad memory
Therefore at least one intelligent person [therefore not "no intelligent person"] has a bad memory.
I was responding to the suggestion that because both had a bad memory they were both intelligent.
Boris may well be bright. But he seems to me to lack qualities of character, without which his intelligence is pointless and potentially dangerous. I have worked with many people like him in the City. More than a few ended up in trouble.
Quite unsuitable for any position of leadership or responsibility. IMO.
Were his stories any good?0 -
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
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DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
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Cameron's approach was akin to a CEO of a company. He was the face of the "company", did the Tim Cook style rar rar speeches setting out vision, but left people who knew better to do their jobs. Regardless of policies / politics, I don't think that is a bad thing.kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps that came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal, that, for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
He left people in jobs where they were doing well (rather than Blair's constant reshuffles), according to all the civil servants he always did his red box on time and generally the mechanics of government worked well (unlike under Gordo where masses of stuff piled up as he demanded micro managing everything and couldn't make decisions on everything fast enough).
...and then came Brexit referendum decision....0 -
Mr. kinabalu, there's far greater variance within a gender than between them.0
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Talking of which, Vernon Bogdanor's solution is for Ireland to show "generosity" instead of "intransigence" in order to "renew the good relations between Britain and Ireland that have been so badly damaged by the Brexit process".DecrepitJohnL said:
One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.kinabalu said:Einstein wasn't THAT bright. Plenty others brighter. David Willetts?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/13/suspending-parliament-break-brexit-deadlock-stretch-constitution0 -
This superb article by Katy Balls is essential reading for anyone betting on the Tory leadership election:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/an-early-election-is-beginning-to-look-inevitable-for-the-next-tory-leader/0 -
For all his alleged ability Cameron was a fool, he bought his own hype.0
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I never read any. I rather doubt it. He just had a facility for very simple ideas which made successful ads. I never could work out whether thinking of simple ideas was not a particular skill or whether he just happened to have a particular facility which most people don't have. Have a break....Have a Kit Kat doesn't sound difficult.Cyclefree said:
£160,000 still is a lot of money, @Roger!Roger said:
Judging the intelligence of successful people isn't always easy. I knew a copywriter who was on a salary of £ 160,000 at a time when that was a lot of money. He was Irish and not well educated but he had a skill for simple ideas and was responsible for a particularly well known beer campaign. But all he ever wanted to do was write stories or plays. He bombarded every publication and publisher for years and never got a single one published.Cyclefree said:
Fair enough.Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong. I was replying to the implied syllogismCyclefree said:
Einstein was highly intelligent. Einstein had a terrible memory.Ishmael_Z said:
Sorry to sound dim but could you expressly state the false syllogism(s) you are talking about?Cyclefree said:
The false syllogism says hello.Ishmael_Z said:
1. How many books have you written?StuartDickson said:another_richard said:StuartDickson said:another_richard said:Thanks, that's an interesting and thought provoking read.
But intelligent? According to Gove he has a memory like a sieve. How many intelligent people do you know who cannot remember an important conversation they had yesterday?
2. Einstein notoriously had a terrible memory.
I have a terrible memory. Therefore I’m highly intelligent.
No intelligent person has a bad memory
Boris has a bad memory
Therefore Boris is not an intelligent person
by disproving the major premise. If you want it expanded into another syllogism
Einstein was an intelligent person
Einstein had a bad memory
Therefore at least one intelligent person [therefore not "no intelligent person"] has a bad memory.
I was responding to the suggestion that because both had a bad memory they were both intelligent.
Boris may well be bright. But he seems to me to lack qualities of character, without which his intelligence is pointless and potentially dangerous. I have worked with many people like him in the City. More than a few ended up in trouble.
Quite unsuitable for any position of leadership or responsibility. IMO.
Were his stories any good?0 -
One I prepared earlier for Malcmalcolmg said:
Evening Gin, Had visitors this afternoon , combine that with grandson getting me up at crack of dawn and I think I may be snoozing early. May be better after dinner mind you.GIN1138 said:
Hope all well with you , and your Irn Bru is original recipe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWG43VGvuCc&feature=youtu.be0 -
If I had twenty-one Big Ones to spare (I don't) I'd hoover up that money looking to back Rory Stewart at 22 on Betfair right now.
You'd be a grand up inside a fortnight.1 -
Of course. Ditto with most other 'characteristics' - eg race.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kinabalu, there's far greater variance within a gender than between them.
We are all pretty much the same.
Or rather we're not, but you know what I mean.0 -
and after 4 years 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.0 -
I've gone all in on Boris. Even if there is some nasty revelation, he's already home.0
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DC also worked hard. Boris won't.kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
Boris might have a chance for PM as a time as a sort of constitutional monarch, but the machinery of Government is going to have to build layers around him to keep the basic administration of the nation going.
He will also tend to be poorly briefed and prepared for international summits and negotiations, which will damage our trade and national interests.
And God knows how he will deal with sudden "Events", as there will be definitely be some.0 -
If I had to guess, I would say Boris was one of those kids who found pre-university education very easy and then peaked. A way with words that enables you to construct fancy sounding essays can only get you so far.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.0 -
Hmm, that would wake me up right enoughRoger said:
One I prepared earlier for Malcmalcolmg said:
Evening Gin, Had visitors this afternoon , combine that with grandson getting me up at crack of dawn and I think I may be snoozing early. May be better after dinner mind you.GIN1138 said:
Hope all well with you , and your Irn Bru is original recipe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWG43VGvuCc&feature=youtu.be0 -
If he is even 1/4 as bright as he thinks he is, then he knows a GE is a very high possibility given what he claims is his plan A is so unlikely, and plan B will face titanic opposition. So he would be a fool not to be fighting one already. Plus when others attack him inthe contest he'll talk about Corbyn instead, the real enemy.williamglenn said:Is he already fighting a GE?
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1139923957296111617
It would appear so, unfortuantely.Phukov said:I've gone all in on Boris. Even if there is some nasty revelation, he's already home.
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Of the 5 out of 14 PMs since WW2 who have achieved first class degrees, Eden, Macmillan, Wilson, Brown and Cameron (all Oxford graduates bar Brown who went to Edinburgh) nothing marked them out as particularly great PMs bar having that academic distinction. Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
Of our 3 greatest postwar PMs, Attlee, Churchill (based mainly on his war leadership admittedly) and Thatcher none of them achieved a first and Churchill did not even go to university.0 -
Very able man and a perfectly OK prime minister (for a tory).FrancisUrquhart said:Cameron's approach was akin to a CEO of a company. He was the face of the "company", did the Tim Cook style rar rar speeches setting out vision, but left people who knew better to do their jobs. Regardless of policies / politics, I don't think that is a bad thing.
He left people in jobs where they were doing well (rather than Blair's constant reshuffles), according to all the civil servants he always did his red box on time and generally the mechanics of government worked well (unlike under Gordo where masses of stuff piled up as he demanded micro managing everything and couldn't make decisions on everything fast enough).
...and then came Brexit referendum decision....
I would, however, prefer that our leaders were drawn from a wider pool.
Our next one, for example, will be the very worst of that 'type'. An essentially vacuous, self regarding, entitled poshboy. All of Cameron's negatives without the mitigating positives.0 -
His articles in the Telegraph are nothing special, frankly.FrancisUrquhart said:
If I had to guess, I would say Boris was one of those kids who found pre-university education very easy and then peaked. A way with words that enables you to construct fancy sounding essays can only get you so far.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
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It might not be so much the dark arts as what in the real world would be bog standard project management techniques: planning, checklists, timetables and so on. Probably normal for the whips office but unknown to many at Westminster.PaulM said:Would have thought that the black arts of the whips office would be much less effective in a secret ballot rather than a recorded Parliamentary vote.
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And when that failed moved to California...rcs1000 said:
My wife likes the old Midsomer Murders too. She is also resolutely apolitical.kinabalu said:
I would argue that if your mum has to turn off the TV whenever it features politicians whose views are anathema to her then she is VERY political.Viceroy_of_Orange said:Mum anecdote.
My mum voted Conservative all of her life until 2013, 2014 and 2015, when she flipped to Ukip. Back to Tory in 2017. She's not very political, but having voted Leave in 2016 has to turn the television off now when she hears Grieve, Soubry, Lammy and Stewart. She voted Brexit Party in 2019.
Boris will likely bring her back. If he delivers...
Mine OTOH genuinely does have zero interest in politics. Too busy watching reruns of Midsomer Murders. The old ones with John Nettles. Doesn't like the new guy.
That being said, she did vote Remain, because she was worried about her (Portuguese passport holding) mother being sent home. Personally, I only voted Leave to get rid of the mother-in-law.0 -
Martin Hammond was my old Headmaster, though I think even he would recognise Boris' classics abilities surfaced later onTheuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
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There are only so many ways one can write the same vaguely posh sounding bluster and waffling.Cyclefree said:
His articles in the Telegraph are nothing special, frankly.FrancisUrquhart said:
If I had to guess, I would say Boris was one of those kids who found pre-university education very easy and then peaked. A way with words that enables you to construct fancy sounding essays can only get you so far.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
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Anyone who gets to become PM will have had the last laugh......HYUFD said:
Martin Hammond was my old Headmaster, though I think even he would recognise Boris' classics abilities surfaced later onTheuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
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Mr. Mark, few people now remember Pertinax.0
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Not sure that there's been a whole lot of laughing going on at chez May.MarqueeMark said:
Anyone who gets to become PM will have had the last laugh......HYUFD said:
Martin Hammond was my old Headmaster, though I think even he would recognise Boris' classics abilities surfaced later onTheuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
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I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
Not as bright as Harold Wilson .kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
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Let's see if you still feel that way in 3 months when the election is called.justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
Interesting thread on that very topic...MarqueeMark said:Anyone who gets to become PM will have had the last laugh......
https://twitter.com/HickeyWriter/status/1139925456231260160
As noted here previously, the leader of the Tory party does not necessarily command a majority in the HoC, and is therefore not PM.0 -
Yes I'm good thanks Malc.malcolmg said:
Evening Gin, Had visitors this afternoon , combine that with grandson getting me up at crack of dawn and I think I may be snoozing early. May be better after dinner mind you.GIN1138 said:
Hope all well with you , and your Irn Bru is original recipe. 0 -
"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." — CiceroHYUFD said:
Martin Hammond was my old Headmaster, though I think even he would recognise Boris' classics abilities surfaced later onTheuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
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Advertising is full of copy people who want to be novelists etc etc. Richard Yates as one example.Roger said:
I never read any. I rather doubt it. He just had a facility for very simple ideas which made successful ads. I never could work out whether thinking of simple ideas was not a particular skill or whether he just happened to have a particular facility which most people don't have. Have a break....Have a Kit Kat doesn't sound difficult.Cyclefree said:
£160,000 still is a lot of money, @Roger!Roger said:
Judging the intelligence of successful people isn't always easy. I knew a copywriter who was on a salary of £ 160,000 at a time when that was a lot of money. He was Irish and not well educated but he had a skill for simple ideas and was responsible for a particularly well known beer campaign. But all he ever wanted to do was write stories or plays. He bombarded every publication and publisher for years and never got a single one published.Cyclefree said:
Fair enough.Ishmael_Z said:
Dead wrong. I was replying to the implied syllogismCyclefree said:
Einstein was highly intelligent. Einstein had a terrible memory.Ishmael_Z said:
Sorry to sound dim but could you expressly state the false syllogism(s) you are talking about?Cyclefree said:
The false syllogism says hello.Ishmael_Z said:
1. How many books have you written?StuartDickson said:another_richard said:StuartDickson said:another_richard said:Thanks, that's an interesting and thought provoking read.
But intelligent? According to Gove he has a memory like a sieve. How many intelligent people do you know who cannot remember an important conversation they had yesterday?
2. Einstein notoriously had a terrible memory.
I have a terrible memory. Therefore I’m highly intelligent.
snip rson [therefore not "no intelligent person"] has a bad memory.
I was responding to the suggestion that because both had a bad memory they were both intelligent.
Boris may well be bright. But he seems to me to lack qualities of character, without which his intelligence is pointless and potentially dangerous. I have worked with many people like him in the City. More than a few ended up in trouble.
Quite unsuitable for any position of leadership or responsibility. IMO.
Were his stories any good?
"Go to work on an egg" is another famous example of the simple art.0 -
Harold Wilson died (metaphorically, obv) in 1976. He’s been irrelevant for over 40 years.justin124 said:
Not as bright as Harold Wilson .kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
Edit. He also forced through the sale of commercially and militarily secret RR turbojet engines to the USSR on the basis that they were our perpetual friends. Reversed engineered to beyond. Not that globally aware.0 -
Go to work on an egg?Roger said:I never read any. I rather doubt it. He just had a facility for very simple ideas which made successful ads. I never could work out whether thinking of simple ideas was not a particular skill or whether he just happened to have a particular facility which most people don't have. Have a break....Have a Kit Kat doesn't sound difficult.
Some say that was the best thing Fay Weldon ever wrote. Not me I hasten to add.
I met her once on a train.0 -
I don't think Macmillan graduated - despite achieving a First in Moderations.HYUFD said:
Of the 5 out of 14 PMs since WW2 who have achieved first class degrees, Eden, Macmillan, Wilson, Brown and Cameron (all Oxford graduates bar Brown who went to Edinburgh) nothing marked them out as particularly great PMs bar having that academic distinction. Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
Of our 3 greatest postwar PMs, Attlee, Churchill (based mainly on his war leadership admittedly) and Thatcher none of them achieved a first and Churchill did not even go to university.0 -
I am firmly committed to spoiling my ballot paper - nothing to do with Corbyn or Brexit. I have persuaded three other voters to do likewise.kle4 said:
Let's see if you still feel that way in 3 months when the election is called.justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
Cricket.....in the unlikely event that SA qualify for the last four there is a high probability that run rate would be a determining factor (even if they won all their remaining games). So why are they trundling along at 4.5 an over when chasing 127 against a mediocre attack?0
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Giving up your British citizenship? If so I don't blame you. The UK is not the place it once was. Nonetheless the Labour leader should be gathering all anti Boris MP's now to try to nip his premiership in the bud before he takes hold. Then his job will be done and he can graze somewhere and look after his allotment .justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
I will not vote for a gender- vetted candidate on principle.Roger said:
Giving up your British citizenship? If so I don't blame you. The UK is not the place it once was. Nonetheless the Labour leader should be gathering all anti Boris MP's now to try to nip his premiership in the bud before he takes hold. Then his job will be done and he can graze somewhere and look after his allotment .justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
With four spoiled ballot papers, surely the election will be declared invalid.justin124 said:
I am firmly committed to spoiling my ballot paper - nothing to do with Corbyn or Brexit. I have persuaded three other voters to do likewise.kle4 said:
Let's see if you still feel that way in 3 months when the election is called.justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
One suspects that they’ve agreed with you to make you go away.justin124 said:
I am firmly committed to spoiling my ballot paper - nothing to do with Corbyn or Brexit. I have persuaded three other voters to do likewise.kle4 said:
Let's see if you still feel that way in 3 months when the election is called.justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
She was on Radio 4 yesterday saying much the same. I got the impression she didn't like or rate Boris but that doesn't really come across in the articleCasino_Royale said:This superb article by Katy Balls is essential reading for anyone betting on the Tory leadership election:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/an-early-election-is-beginning-to-look-inevitable-for-the-next-tory-leader/0 -
Unless the FTPA is repealed, an election in the Autumn would imply a Parliament of just four and a half years with the following GE due in May 2024.0
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Not at all he presented my wife with her degree but couldn’t turn up for mine three months latermatt said:
Harold Wilson died (metaphorically, obv) in 1976. He’s been irrelevant for over 40 years.justin124 said:
Not as bright as Harold Wilson .kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
Edit. He also forced through the sale of commercially and militarily secret RR turbojet engines to the USSR on the basis that they were our perpetual friends. Reversed engineered to beyond. Not that globally aware.0 -
One of the few pleasures of Brexit has been watching Ireland run rings round their old tormentors England.williamglenn said:
Talking of which, Vernon Bogdanor's solution is for Ireland to show "generosity" instead of "intransigence" in order to "renew the good relations between Britain and Ireland that have been so badly damaged by the Brexit process".DecrepitJohnL said:
One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.kinabalu said:Einstein wasn't THAT bright. Plenty others brighter. David Willetts?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/13/suspending-parliament-break-brexit-deadlock-stretch-constitution1 -
F
? Politically irrelevant. I’ve no doubt he did a good line in handing out degree certificates.nichomar said:
Not at all he presented my wife with her degree but couldn’t turn up for mine three months latermatt said:
Harold Wilson died (metaphorically, obv) in 1976. He’s been irrelevant for over 40 years.justin124 said:
Not as bright as Harold Wilson .kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
Edit. He also forced through the sale of commercially and militarily secret RR turbojet engines to the USSR on the basis that they were our perpetual friends. Reversed engineered to beyond. Not that globally aware.0 -
It was the most memorable thing she ever wrote. If the secret of a good line is one that is remembered 50 years later then there aren't many better than Fay's. Anyway it was a great line as was Have a Break......kinabalu said:
Go to work on an egg?Roger said:I never read any. I rather doubt it. He just had a facility for very simple ideas which made successful ads. I never could work out whether thinking of simple ideas was not a particular skill or whether he just happened to have a particular facility which most people don't have. Have a break....Have a Kit Kat doesn't sound difficult.
Some say that was the best thing Fay Weldon ever wrote. Not me I hasten to add.
I met her once on a train.0 -
I'm sure I should understand but I don't. In way was he gender vetted?justin124 said:
I will not vote for a gender- vetted candidate on principle.Roger said:
Giving up your British citizenship? If so I don't blame you. The UK is not the place it once was. Nonetheless the Labour leader should be gathering all anti Boris MP's now to try to nip his premiership in the bud before he takes hold. Then his job will be done and he can graze somewhere and look after his allotment .justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
Cameron was the worst prime minister since Lord North, let alone the war. He almost lost Scotland; he did lose Europe. His government also gave us the debacle of Lansley's NHS changes and the fiasco of IDS's universal credit. He did at least look prime ministerial, so there is that.HYUFD said:Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.
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Meanwhile in Trump's home town:Casino_Royale said:
June is only half over, and already this month seven innocent bystanders have been struck by bullets, two fatally, around the city.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/run-for-cover-nyc-innocents-being-shot-at-an-alarming-rate/0 -
Why is it his fault he isn’t responsible for all of the budget, he raised council tax by the maximum amount to fund the police. I am told there has been a reduction of 3000 because of central government cutbacks so I fail to understand why it is his fault.Casino_Royale said:0 -
The Labour candidate in my seat was selected from an All Woman Shortlist. I have strongly objected to this since it was first introduced under Blair in the mid-1990s.Roger said:
I'm sure I should understand but I don't. In way was he gender vetted?justin124 said:
I will not vote for a gender- vetted candidate on principle.Roger said:
Giving up your British citizenship? If so I don't blame you. The UK is not the place it once was. Nonetheless the Labour leader should be gathering all anti Boris MP's now to try to nip his premiership in the bud before he takes hold. Then his job will be done and he can graze somewhere and look after his allotment .justin124 said:
I will not be a Labour voter at the GE - regardless of who is the leader.Roger said:
It's time for labour voters like you and me to realise our most important task is to get rid of Boris. However much of a diehard Corbynista anyone is they must know by now there's no way he's ever going to win an election. Even against a clown like Boris.justin124 said:
In two polls Labour is in 1st place though!rottenborough said:Farron indirectly raises a key question looking ahead.
How long before Labour members/unions gets really restless at being stuck at 3rd in the polling?
No HM Opposition Leader has ever survived that for long have they?0 -
Of course it was politically irrelevant but more importantly without him there would not have been 32 university’s and we wouldn’t have had that education.matt said:F
? Politically irrelevant. I’ve no doubt he did a good line in handing out degree certificates.nichomar said:
Not at all he presented my wife with her degree but couldn’t turn up for mine three months latermatt said:
Harold Wilson died (metaphorically, obv) in 1976. He’s been irrelevant for over 40 years.justin124 said:
Not as bright as Harold Wilson .kinabalu said:
DC was very bright, no question. He could have done with a bit less insouciance, though, IMO. Perhaps this came from his 'Born To Rule' social and educational background. Not ideal for a PM. Hopefully we won't make that mistake again.DecrepitJohnL said:One of the few pluses of Theresa May's hegemony is that we were no longer reminded on a fortnightly basis of David Cameron's top first in PPE and the brightest his tutor had known.
Edit. He also forced through the sale of commercially and militarily secret RR turbojet engines to the USSR on the basis that they were our perpetual friends. Reversed engineered to beyond. Not that globally aware.0 -
Macmillan's degree was interrupted by WW1 but he returned after to complete it, however sadly he and one other were the only ones of his 28 fellow students who had started at Balliol in 1912 who survived the Great Warjustin124 said:
I don't think Macmillan graduated - despite achieving a First in Moderations.HYUFD said:
Of the 5 out of 14 PMs since WW2 who have achieved first class degrees, Eden, Macmillan, Wilson, Brown and Cameron (all Oxford graduates bar Brown who went to Edinburgh) nothing marked them out as particularly great PMs bar having that academic distinction. Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
Of our 3 greatest postwar PMs, Attlee, Churchill (based mainly on his war leadership admittedly) and Thatcher none of them achieved a first and Churchill did not even go to university.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan0 -
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:0 -
All this stuff is why I am betting on a 2019 GE.Roger said:
She was on Radio 4 yesterday saying much the same. I got the impression she didn't like or rate Boris but that doesn't really come across in the articleCasino_Royale said:This superb article by Katy Balls is essential reading for anyone betting on the Tory leadership election:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/an-early-election-is-beginning-to-look-inevitable-for-the-next-tory-leader/0 -
'Of the 28 students who started at Balliol with Macmillan, only he and one other survived the war. As a result, he refused to return to Oxford to complete his degree, saying the university would never be the same; in later years he joked that he had been "sent down by the Kaiser'.HYUFD said:
Macmillan's degree was interrupted by WW1 but he returned after to complete it, however sadly he and one other were the only ones of his 28 fellow students who had started at Balliol in 1912 who survived the Great Warjustin124 said:
I don't think Macmillan graduated - despite achieving a First in Moderations.HYUFD said:
Of the 5 out of 14 PMs since WW2 who have achieved first class degrees, Eden, Macmillan, Wilson, Brown and Cameron (all Oxford graduates bar Brown who went to Edinburgh) nothing marked them out as particularly great PMs bar having that academic distinction. Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
Of our 3 greatest postwar PMs, Attlee, Churchill (based mainly on his war leadership admittedly) and Thatcher none of them achieved a first and Churchill did not even go to university.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan0 -
Chuka Umunna has been appointed Treasury and business spokesman for the Liberal Democrats just days after the former Labour and Change UK MP joined the party.0
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No idea how the industry works, but I have a sneaking suspicion that may have been her worst rewarded line.kinabalu said:
Go to work on an egg?Roger said:I never read any. I rather doubt it. He just had a facility for very simple ideas which made successful ads. I never could work out whether thinking of simple ideas was not a particular skill or whether he just happened to have a particular facility which most people don't have. Have a break....Have a Kit Kat doesn't sound difficult.
Some say that was the best thing Fay Weldon ever wrote. Not me I hasten to add.
I met her once on a train.0 -
I would not rule out a late Sugar candidacyCasino_Royale said:
https://twitter.com/nickdebois/status/724132570384965632?s=200 -
On advertising:
"Heineken Refreshes the Parts Other Beers Cannot Reach’ was written by Terry Lovelock in 1973"
" “The Heineken thing was the nearest I ever came to suicide,” says Lovelock now "
Heineken (1973) – Refreshes the Parts Other Beers Cannot Reach
https://www.creativereview.co.uk/refreshes-the-parts-other-beers-cannot-reach/0 -
OK, my mistake but as you say he got a First in his studies pre Warjustin124 said:
'Of the 28 students who started at Balliol with Macmillan, only he and one other survived the war. As a result, he refused to return to Oxford to complete his degree, saying the university would never be the same; in later years he joked that he had been "sent down by the Kaiser'.HYUFD said:
Macmillan's degree was interrupted by WW1 but he returned after to complete it, however sadly he and one other were the only ones of his 28 fellow students who had started at Balliol in 1912 who survived the Great Warjustin124 said:
I don't think Macmillan graduated - despite achieving a First in Moderations.HYUFD said:
Of the 5 out of 14 PMs since WW2 who have achieved first class degrees, Eden, Macmillan, Wilson, Brown and Cameron (all Oxford graduates bar Brown who went to Edinburgh) nothing marked them out as particularly great PMs bar having that academic distinction. Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
Of our 3 greatest postwar PMs, Attlee, Churchill (based mainly on his war leadership admittedly) and Thatcher none of them achieved a first and Churchill did not even go to university.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan0 -
A good platform for a future leadership bidFrancisUrquhart said:Chuka Umunna has been appointed Treasury and business spokesman for the Liberal Democrats just days after the former Labour and Change UK MP joined the party.
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Probably, but it'd need a great deal of explanation to get there.Stark_Dawning said:
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:
Good, Khan could do with a laugh as he romps to victory as easily as Boris in the Tory race.HYUFD said:
I would not rule out a late Sugar candidacyCasino_Royale said:
https://twitter.com/nickdebois/status/724132570384965632?s=200 -
To be fair I don’t think he is too keen on the Mayor of New York either!rottenborough said:
Meanwhile in Trump's home town:Casino_Royale said:
June is only half over, and already this month seven innocent bystanders have been struck by bullets, two fatally, around the city.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/run-for-cover-nyc-innocents-being-shot-at-an-alarming-rate/
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No it can't. But nobody listens to Hopkins anymore so leave her to shout at the moonStark_Dawning said:
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Who is?brendan16 said:
To be fair I don’t think he is too keen on the Mayor of New York either!rottenborough said:
Meanwhile in Trump's home town:Casino_Royale said:
June is only half over, and already this month seven innocent bystanders have been struck by bullets, two fatally, around the city.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/run-for-cover-nyc-innocents-being-shot-at-an-alarming-rate/0 -
I think Sugar could beat Khan certainly he would romp home in the London suburbskle4 said:
Probably, but it'd need a great deal of explanation to get there.Stark_Dawning said:
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:
Good, Khan could do with a laugh as he romps to victory as easily as Boris in the Tory race.HYUFD said:
I would not rule out a late Sugar candidacyCasino_Royale said:
https://twitter.com/nickdebois/status/724132570384965632?s=200 -
In the 2011 UK Census, 59.79% of the population classed their ethnic group as White, including White British (44.89%), White Irish (2.15%) or "Other White" (12.65%, mostly Greek-Cypriot, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Colombians and Portuguese). 18.49% classed themselves as British Asian, including Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and "Other Asian" (mostly Sri Lankan, Arab and other Southern Asian ethnicities). 13.32% classed themselves as Black British (7% as Black African, 4.22% as Black Caribbean, 2.08% as "Other Black"). 4.96% were of mixed race; and 3.44% as other (mostly Filipino, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese and other "British Orientals").Stark_Dawning said:
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London0 -
Rory chased out of Hampstead Heath by a parky who says they can't film:
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/11399616979075727360 -
Was it Alan Clark who described war as the business of the upper and working classes? In Blackadder terms, all those Lieutenant Georges and Private Baldricks in the front line.justin124 said:
'Of the 28 students who started at Balliol with Macmillan, only he and one other survived the war. As a result, he refused to return to Oxford to complete his degree, saying the university would never be the same; in later years he joked that he had been "sent down by the Kaiser'.HYUFD said:
Macmillan's degree was interrupted by WW1 but he returned after to complete it, however sadly he and one other were the only ones of his 28 fellow students who had started at Balliol in 1912 who survived the Great Warjustin124 said:
I don't think Macmillan graduated - despite achieving a First in Moderations.HYUFD said:
Of the 5 out of 14 PMs since WW2 who have achieved first class degrees, Eden, Macmillan, Wilson, Brown and Cameron (all Oxford graduates bar Brown who went to Edinburgh) nothing marked them out as particularly great PMs bar having that academic distinction. Indeed while Macmillan, Wilson and Cameron can be said to be above average, Eden and Brown were arguably the worst PMs since the War.Theuniondivvie said:
and 'was deeply unhappy he did not receive a first'.FrancisUrquhart said:
But still won a scholarship to Oxford.....Theuniondivvie said:Plus ça change.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1139935613757591552
How churlish of them not to recognise him as exceptional.
Of our 3 greatest postwar PMs, Attlee, Churchill (based mainly on his war leadership admittedly) and Thatcher none of them achieved a first and Churchill did not even go to university.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan0 -
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Sugar is only 4 on BF for next mayor. I'm out...HYUFD said:
I think Sugar could beat Khan certainly he would romp home in the London suburbskle4 said:
Probably, but it'd need a great deal of explanation to get there.Stark_Dawning said:
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:
Good, Khan could do with a laugh as he romps to victory as easily as Boris in the Tory race.HYUFD said:
I would not rule out a late Sugar candidacyCasino_Royale said:
https://twitter.com/nickdebois/status/724132570384965632?s=200 -
500/1 on Betfair for next president.Sean_F said:
Who is?brendan16 said:
To be fair I don’t think he is too keen on the Mayor of New York either!rottenborough said:
Meanwhile in Trump's home town:Casino_Royale said:
June is only half over, and already this month seven innocent bystanders have been struck by bullets, two fatally, around the city.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/run-for-cover-nyc-innocents-being-shot-at-an-alarming-rate/0 -
To be fair they are rather short staffed compared to the Charles Kennedy days.FrancisUrquhart said:Chuka Umunna has been appointed Treasury and business spokesman for the Liberal Democrats just days after the former Labour and Change UK MP joined the party.
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Obviously the Donald still does, but I think he described her as a respected UK columnist, so..Roger said:
No it can't. But nobody listens to Hopkins anymore so leave her to shout at the moonStark_Dawning said:
Can that reference to 'Londonistan' be construed as being anything other than overtly racist?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Brilliant Boris story here from Jeremy Vine
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If there’s a coronation, the election could be called next week.
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Boris!!!!!williamglenn said:If there’s a coronation, the election could be called next week.
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