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Raab really is the John Moore candidate.0
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They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:0 -
I thought that was the No Turning Back group.nico67 said:
The 92 group . Hardly surprising they’re another bunch of right wing nutjobs . The fact Rory got zero votes cements my view that he’s sane and quite a nice guy .williamglenn said:
Je Suis Rory #0 -
Give them 18 months.....Peter_the_Punter said:
Which Nation did you have in mind...Yemen?Andrew said:
I still dream of a govt of national unity, spearheaded by the A-team of Williamson and Grayling.ydoethur said:I thought for a moment you meant Chris Williamson, and I was about to protest that (a) he's not eligible and (b) even the Tories wouldn't elect him right now.
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Not sure I have ever seen so many deluded and lying people in one day as the Tory leadership stuff.0
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None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.0 -
Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!0 -
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!1 -
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
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Just on the clips attached to the story, unsurprisingly the candidates are talking a lot of vagueness and not much else, but Hancock stands out as not having much gravitas.0
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Have you seen some of the others?AndyJS said:I find it impossible to take Matt Hancock seriously as a potential PM.
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I know what you mean. We arrived there a few years ago on a Sunday afternoon and there was a single person on duty to deal with the passengers of about 3 or 4 large planes that had just landed. It took about 30 minutes for anyone else to arrive to help process the passengers through customs. Also, it looked like the place hadn't had any money spent on it for about 30 years.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!0 -
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So that would be about what percentage of the current Conservative Party membership then?nico67 said:
They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:0 -
Is it big enough though?FF43 said:In reverse order of suitability for the job:
williamglenn said:
I think this is going to be close. It really depends if Boris adds votes from the pack, or if Boris fans already back him. The marginal votes are those who think Boris is the *only* answer, love him or hate him0 -
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Interesting. She is nowhere near as Scouse as today's accent.SandyRentool said:
Thanks for the link!AndyJS said:More vintage Esther McVey footage, at 1 min 48 secs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=bUC6G5xAeek
I wonder why?0 -
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It can be implemented. There are billions of people living outside the EU.Peter_the_Punter said:
In fact it may still be a very good idea, but what if it cannot be implemented?Luckyguy1983 said:
Who is this 'you' of whom you speak? My case as a voter was that leaving the EU was a good idea. It is still my view that leaving the EU is a good idea, and I have seen nothing to remotely dissuade me.Ishmael_Z said:
"hasn't even happened."Luckyguy1983 said:
I wouldn't call anyone traitorous, I prefer the word treacherous.williamglenn said:
Why is someone who allegedly changed their mind before 2016 sound on Europe, but someone who changed their mind after 2016 is a traitorous Remoaner?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, changing her mind, what a truly foul individual.Benpointer said:
Give her her due, she was very prescient about Brexit back in 2013, stating that: "it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty".kle4 said:
I meant besides that reason. I assume there has to be more of a reason than just the pseudo-pun.Chris said:
Is it a sort of pun on her name - Leadsom?kle4 said:
Just because people dislike soemone does not mean they are scared of them.Luckyguy1983 said:The comments in this thread about Leadsom are ridiculous. She's not remotely loathsome or witchy - she doesn't have a Thatcheresque demeanour, not that it would be reprehensible of she did. I can only conclude that she's the one people are scared will actually succeed in securing Brexit and a thriving UK.
That said, I don't recall why people think she is especially loathsome.
Shame she didn't pay attention to herself.
Regarding people who've gone Remain since the referendum, I wouldn't call them treacherous, I'd call them credulous, skittish and easily demoralised. Not much else you can call people repenting something that hasn't even happened.
Your case three years ago was that you could bring about a good brexit. It transpires that you are too fecking useless to bring about any sort of brexit at all either now or in the foreseeable, and you are presenting that as a point in your favour. I salute your indefatigability.
If you read the Communist Manifesto, you may well come to the conclusion Communism is quite a good idea. Practical results to date have however been a little disappointing.
The idea you think not being in the EU is remotely comparable to Communism just shows how devoid from reality this conversation has gotten.0 -
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...0 -
Probably about 80% at least !Peter_the_Punter said:
So that would be about what percentage of the current Conservative Party membership then?nico67 said:
They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:0 -
Ok:Peter_the_Punter said:
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
Johnson
Harper*
Leadsome
Raab [kill me next week candidate]
McVey [kill me now candidate]
* I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
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1. StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
That's it really.......
Hancock perhaps. Invisibility has its attractions compared with the all-too-visibility of the other candidates.
Leadsom if you squint very, very hard.0 -
The recent Time Magaine cover was cutting precisely because it was true. We have become an international laughing stock. Boris however can, I am sure, take us beyond ridicule.glw said:
Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.FF43 said:In reverse order of suitability for the job:
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GovePeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Javid
Johnson
Hunt
Raab
Leadsom
McVey
Stewart
Hancock
Harper
To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.0 -
Yes, that's why I had him mid-division. If he's a blank, he might possibly be not quite as bad as some.rottenborough said:
Ok:Peter_the_Punter said:
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
Johnson
Harper*
Leadsome
Raab [kill me next week candidate]
McVey [kill me now candidate]
* I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.0 -
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!0 -
As if Brexit wasn't enough of a calamity, we now have the prospect of Boris "full of shit" Johnson becoming PM.
Jeez - is there no limit to the depths this country can plunge?0 -
And these are the people picking the next Prime Minister to represent the whole country?nico67 said:
Probably about 80% at least !Peter_the_Punter said:
So that would be about what percentage of the current Conservative Party membership then?nico67 said:
They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:
I see.0 -
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.0 -
Terrible news about Leadsom. I was hoping to be counting my winnings today.0
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Good idea, Brendan. An even better one would be to stay in Dublin or Shannon on the way back and sit out all this Brexit madness until it is all over.brendan16 said:
Ever thought of flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!0 -
Its only a laughing stock to arrogant and small-minded individuals who think that Brexit is moronic and can't look past their nose. Other countries have had to face far greater sacrifices to ensure their country was independent than any trials or tribulations Britain will face.Peter_the_Punter said:
The recent Time Magaine cover was cutting precisely because it was true. We have become an international laughing stock. Boris however can, I am sure, take us beyond ridicule.glw said:
Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.FF43 said:In reverse order of suitability for the job:
If you wouldn't laugh at George Washington or Gandhi there's no need to laugh at Britain or Johnson.0 -
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Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.0 -
Ah - obviously full of Arbeit Macht Freiers!nico67 said:
They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:-1 -
LOL! What the f*ck was that?Philip_Thompson said:
Its only a laughing stock to arrogant and small-minded individuals who think that Brexit is moronic and can't look past their nose. Other countries have had to face far greater sacrifices to ensure their country was independent than any trials or tribulations Britain will face.Peter_the_Punter said:
The recent Time Magaine cover was cutting precisely because it was true. We have become an international laughing stock. Boris however can, I am sure, take us beyond ridicule.glw said:
Pretty much. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country wants locking up if you ask me.FF43 said:In reverse order of suitability for the job:
If you wouldn't laugh at George Washington or Gandhi there's no need to laugh at Britain or Johnson.
Gone away for a few weeks and can see the right-wing fruitcakes have got slightly more unhinged (however impossible it may seem).0 -
MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.brendan16 said:
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!
The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.
At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.0 -
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Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.Alistair said:
MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
If you believe in the boat enough the iceberg will crumble before its might.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.0 -
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Javid
Hancock
Gove
Harper
Leadsom
Johnson
Raab
McVey
Though frankly this shitshow makes nostalgia for Theresa May seem sensible!0 -
Which specific MPs are the 92 group >?Tissue_Price said:0 -
Grim but I suppose we need to face up to it:Peter_the_Punter said:
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
SENSIBLE:
Stewart
WILD CARDS:
Hancock
Leadsom
DIRE BUT PLAUSIBLE:
Hunt
Javid
NO IDEA:
Harper
CHARLATAN:
Johnson
NOW ONTO THE TRULY GRIM,:
McVey
NASTY PIECE OF WORK WHO HAS NOTHING GOING FOR HIM, NOT EVEN JOHNSON'S "PLUS" POINTS:
Dominic Raab0 -
Tobias Ellwood and David Lidington have endorsed Matt Hancock but Wiikipedia hasn't been updated with the information for some reason.0
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Leadsom is the 'what if all the Brexiteer blokes f**k up candidate' e.g. drugs, strippers, money laundering etc etc.Tissue_Price said:1 -
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.0 -
Low taxes. Trickle down economics for the win.AndyJS said:
I know what you mean. We arrived there a few years ago on a Sunday afternoon and there was a single person on duty to deal with the passengers of about 3 or 4 large planes that had just landed. It took about 30 minutes for anyone else to arrive to help process the passengers through customs. Also, it looked like the place hadn't had any money spent on it for about 30 years.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!0 -
brendan16 said:
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!
Yes. Works a treat.0 -
I have decided not to visit the USA under this president. My money, my choice.Sandpit said:
Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.brendan16 said:
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!
The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.
At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.0 -
BoZo's plan for the iceberg is to offer more places in the lifeboats to the 1st Class passengers...Peter_the_Punter said:No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.
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I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.Peter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we are just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.0 -
On personal choice completely outwith my book:Philip_Thompson said:
GovePeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Javid
Johnson
Hunt
Raab
Leadsom
McVey
Stewart
Hancock
Harper
To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
Stewart
Hunt
Javid
Gove
Raab
Leadsom
Hancock
Harper
Johnson
Mcvey0 -
They're MPs?! I thought we were talking care-home residents.Pulpstar said:
Which specific MPs are the 92 group >?Tissue_Price said:0 -
kle4 said:
I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.Peter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we are just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
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I don't like the social media disclosure that's apparently a thing.Foxy said:
I have decided not to visit the USA under this president. My money, my choice.Sandpit said:
Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.brendan16 said:
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!
The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.
At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.0 -
DHS would like to get pre-clearance in at a lot more overseas airports. MAN is interested and CBP really want to get in at LHR but that will probably have to wait until the second runway and T6 as there's nowhere for them to go right now.Sandpit said:
Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.brendan16 said:
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!
The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.
At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.
But yeah, pre-clearance is great. The CBP officers tend to be more professional (I chatted to one at DUB once and he told me it's a prestige posting that they compete for and you need some seniority to get it) and you arrive in the US as a domestic flight. The only "downside" is you can't buy duty-free on the plane.1 -
The fact that there are icebergs causing trouble on the high seas is yet another example of Brussels and its crazy interventionist regulatory directives.kle4 said:
I hear 9/10 of the Iceberg is out of sight, below the surface - it's just how these things work, hiding their true nature from you until it is too late.Peter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we are just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.0 -
Stewart would be first choice of most sensibe people, but he would be a disaster for the same reason Kenneth Clarke would have been a disaster as Tory Leader. He's in the wrong Party.Pulpstar said:
On personal choice completely outwith my book:Philip_Thompson said:
GovePeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Javid
Johnson
Hunt
Raab
Leadsom
McVey
Stewart
Hancock
Harper
To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
Stewart
Hunt
Javid
Gove
Raab
Leadsom
Hancock
Harper
Johnson
Mcvey0 -
Gove is thinking along the same lines now.Foxy said:
I have decided not to visit the USA under this president. My money, my choice.Sandpit said:
Not myself, but have heard nothing but good reports from friends and colleagues who have used it for business trips and family holidays.brendan16 said:
Have people tried flying via Dublin or Shannon and using US pre clearance to avoid the queues stateside?Peter_the_Punter said:
Good job you didn't tell them that. You'd still be there.Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!
The BA flight London City > Shannon > JFK is particularly notable, but only if someone else is paying.
At some point the US is going to realise they’re losing a lot of visitors because of the whole airport ‘experience’.0 -
They (because it applies to most of them) are simply deluded if they think the EU is about to make some substantial concession, that Parliament will rally behind a minority govnerment trying to push Hard Brexit through, and that No Deal* is even an option.Peter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
It's genuinely disturbing to see people who could be PM in a few weeks time talking such utter bollocks about Brexit, and other things to.
* There's really no such thing if you want to do any trade, it's not No Deal versus a Deal, it's really lots of piecemeal Deals versus a comprehensive Deal.0 -
They blocked the debate in 2017.rottenborough said:
Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.Alistair said:
MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
https://www.navy.mil/navydata/questions/litehuse.htmlPeter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
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Try doing US passport control having been to Pakistan the week before!Cyclefree said:Can I just say that passport control at JFK airport is the absolute pits. Awful. A form of purgatory. Over 2 hours to get through.
US customer service - pah!!!!0 -
You have precisely to hit the IQ measurement ?Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:
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Yeah, but they read the polls as much as the rest of us.Alistair said:
They blocked the debate in 2017.rottenborough said:
Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.Alistair said:
MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
I have just read the Daily Mail article about Michael Gove being one of five in a bed.
Looking through the details of men and women involved was very interesting.
However, no sexual activity was deemed to occur and Cocaine was not involved.
Gove is a dark horse!0 -
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How can they talk anything but bollox about Brexit? Brexit is bollox.glw said:
They (because it applies to most of them) are simply deluded if they think the EU is about to make some substantial concession, that Parliament will rally behind a minority govnerment trying to push Hard Brexit through, and that No Deal* is even an option.Peter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
It's genuinely disturbing to see people who could be PM in a few weeks time talking such utter bollocks about Brexit, and other things to.
* There's really no such thing if you want to do any trade, it's not No Deal versus a Deal, it's really lots of piecemeal Deals versus a comprehensive Deal.0 -
My personal choice StewartPulpstar said:
On personal choice completely outwith my book:Philip_Thompson said:
GovePeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Javid
Johnson
Hunt
Raab
Leadsom
McVey
Stewart
Hancock
Harper
To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
Stewart
Hunt
Javid
Gove
Raab
Leadsom
Hancock
Harper
Johnson
Mcvey0 -
Harper on Newsnight right now. Frankly, the first time I can recall seeing him. Able to speak in sentences and not obviously deranged.rottenborough said:
Ok:Peter_the_Punter said:
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
Johnson
Harper*
Leadsome
Raab [kill me next week candidate]
McVey [kill me now candidate]
* I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
Increase UC payments, tax cuts for low paid and spend more on education.
No chance therefore.0 -
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Yep. Totally crap performance. At least we know who is out first.Scott_P said:0 -
Not this voter.AndyJS said:Guido: IDS backs Boris.
Confirmed:
https://twitter.com/MPIainDS/status/1138196519050534912
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Forgot Gove. Neck and neck with his nemesis Johnson. Disagreeable hypocrite versus charmless charlatan, the charlatan wins.FF43 said:
Grim but I suppose we need to face up to it:
SENSIBLE:
Stewart
WILD CARDS:
Hancock
Leadsom
DIRE BUT PLAUSIBLE:
Hunt
Javid
NO IDEA:
Harper
CHARLATAN:
Johnson
NOW ONTO THE TRULY GRIM,:
McVey
NASTY PIECE OF WORK WHO HAS NOTHING GOING FOR HIM, NOT EVEN JOHNSON'S "PLUS" POINTS:
Dominic Raab0 -
Bone head backs bird brain shock!AndyJS said:Guido: IDS backs Boris.
I am surprised at IDS, maybe he has one eye on who will help him keep his seat as it is within the win zone for Labour.
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Sounds and looks utterly out of his depth. Junior Cabinet - yeh maybe. Spare us these people.dixiedean said:
Harper on Newsnight right now. Frankly, the first time I can recall seeing him. Able to speak in sentences and not obviously deranged.rottenborough said:
Ok:Peter_the_Punter said:
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
Johnson
Harper*
Leadsome
Raab [kill me next week candidate]
McVey [kill me now candidate]
* I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
Increase UC payments, tax cuts for low paid and spend more on education.
No chance therefore.0 -
That is a very long time ago.Alistair said:
They blocked the debate in 2017.rottenborough said:
Is it? Momentum are not all Brexit lovers.Alistair said:
MOMENTUM have control of the Conference. They decide what is and isn't debated and Brexit is off the table.rottenborough said:Not sure how Jezza is going to get through Lab conference with his fence sitting.
It is going to be a bloodbath. And even Len might not be able to massage and fudge this one away.0 -
The question arises. Who are the 8 MPs who look at him and think...Prime Minister?rottenborough said:
Sounds and looks utterly out of his depth. Junior Cabinet - yeh maybe. Spare us these people.dixiedean said:
Harper on Newsnight right now. Frankly, the first time I can recall seeing him. Able to speak in sentences and not obviously deranged.rottenborough said:
Ok:Peter_the_Punter said:
That's cheating. It's not a true List Of Shame unless you complete the whole thing.rottenborough said:
StewartPeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
Gove
Hunt
Stewart
Hancock
Leadsome
Harper
Javid
Raab
McVey
Johnson
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Hunt
Hancock
Gove
Javid
Er, that's it...
Johnson
Harper*
Leadsome
Raab [kill me next week candidate]
McVey [kill me now candidate]
* I actually have no idea, despite spending hours on here. Complete blank canvas. Still blank is better than the ones who follow on my list.
Increase UC payments, tax cuts for low paid and spend more on education.
No chance therefore.
Probably those who've had a look at the other 9 mind.0 -
The 92 Group was actually formed in 1964 "to keep the Conservative Party conservative" and was a key supporter of Margaret Thatcher during her premiership. It was a focus of Thatcherite dissent with Major and it endorsed John Redwood in 1995. Prominent members have included Sir George Gardiner, Norman Tebbit, Edward Leigh, John Townend and Gerald Howarth. Membership is by invitation onlynico67 said:
They were formed in the Major years . You have to be a vile scum sucking right wing bigot who wants to nuke the EU to get in .Peter_the_Punter said:
What is the 92 Group and how do you join?williamglenn said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/92_Group
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Dear god, they've fallen for the bus trick.rottenborough said:0 -
Mine are:Pulpstar said:
On personal choice completely outwith my book:Philip_Thompson said:
GovePeter_the_Punter said:None of the ten is suitable for the job but if I had to list them in order of merit, starting with the least disastrous and working my way down I'd go...:
A PB poll on this would be fun.
Javid
Johnson
Hunt
Raab
Leadsom
McVey
Stewart
Hancock
Harper
To be fair to Harper he is last just because I can not think who he is.
Stewart
Hunt
Javid
Gove
Raab
Leadsom
Hancock
Harper
Johnson
Mcvey
Johnson
Stewart
Javid
McVey
Hancock
Gove
Leadsom
Raab
Hunt
Harper
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The hair is getting unruly again though.Alistair said:
Dear god, they've fallen for the bus trick.rottenborough said:0 -
On current declarations it will be Leadsom out first, she is not getting even 10% of the MPs who backed her in 2016, just 2 are supporting her at the momentrottenborough said:
Yep. Totally crap performance. At least we know who is out first.Scott_P said:0 -
No deal means leaving before any deal has been agreed, resulting in completely dire consequences for Non-UK, EU citizens in the UK and for UK citizens in other EU countries.glw said:
They (because it applies to most of them) are simply deluded if they think the EU is about to make some substantial concession, that Parliament will rally behind a minority govnerment trying to push Hard Brexit through, and that No Deal* is even an option.Peter_the_Punter said:
No, no, the iceberg isn't a threat. In fact, it is much more afraid of a collision than us and will move out the way if we just stay on course. And even if there is a collison we will come out fitter and stronger afterwards. We are British (well, English anyway...not sure we have the others on side still) and a proud sovereign people who cannot be cowed by foreign ice mountains.glw said:
Some of them think we shouldn't even try to avoid the iceberg, but instead sail at full speed towards it, without raising any alarm.rottenborough said:
There is one massive difference.nico67 said:All this fuss over which Captain will be at the helm as the SS Brexit hits the iceberg .
The Tories psychodrama over Europe is now becoming extremely tiresome . They really need to be removed as they’re a clear and present danger to the UK .
Some of them believe we have absolutely no need of lifeboats.
It's genuinely disturbing to see people who could be PM in a few weeks time talking such utter bollocks about Brexit, and other things to.
* There's really no such thing if you want to do any trade, it's not No Deal versus a Deal, it's really lots of piecemeal Deals versus a comprehensive Deal.0 -
Boris keeping his trap shut isn’t a bad strategy. He’s in front already and seemingly incapable of opening it without inserting at least half his natural allocation of feet.
Those behind him in the race need to use whatever ‘messaging’ they can to sell a vision and counteract their negative attributes.
So, inexplicably, Matt Hancock, who seems a bit of a lightweight, does a video of himself playing waste-basket cricket at the DoH? Rory’s found a decent mix of ‘slightly earnest theorist’ and at least trying to engage the GB public with his slightly earnest theories.
Hunt looks professional and, among Tories, probably has a reputation for safety. But his efforts to counteract “continuity May” accusations fall down on the fact no-one believes his plan to Act Tough and Renegotiate The Deal.
Most of the rest of them are still looking up “messaging” in the Malcolm Tucker playbook.0 -
Telegraph: "Which Tory leader hopeful’s tax plan will leave you best off?"
Somebody should tell them that none of these plans will ever see the light of day.0 -
I’ve got a to-do list that’s longer than a fucking Leonard Cohen song!Harris_Tweed said:Boris keeping his trap shut isn’t a bad strategy. He’s in front already and seemingly incapable of opening it without inserting at least half his natural allocation of feet.
Those behind him in the race need to use whatever ‘messaging’ they can to sell a vision and counteract their negative attributes.
So, inexplicably, Matt Hancock, who seems a bit of a lightweight, does a video of himself playing waste-basket cricket at the DoH? Rory’s found a decent mix of ‘slightly earnest theorist’ and at least trying to engage the GB public with his slightly earnest theories.
Hunt looks professional and, among Tories, probably has a reputation for safety. But his efforts to counteract “continuity May” accusations fall down on the fact no-one believes his plan to Act Tough and Renegotiate The Deal.
Most of the rest of them are still looking up “messaging” in the Malcolm Tucker playbook.1 -
Well, it's been a larf poking fun at the Tory Party circus tonite but bedtime now. Who knows what jollity tomorrow will bring though.
Nite all, especially all you card-carrying Party Loyalists with a vote in the big event. Sleep well.0 -
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According to Newsnight, only 30% of Tory members today are women, which is a reversal of the previous situation a few decades ago.1
