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Heidi Allen, and the former Labour MP Chuka Umunna, are among those thought to be considering defecting to Lib Dems https://t.co/JdN3aRrrCn
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On a straw poll of 1. (myself) I find Ummuna and Wollaston have better name recognition than that woman who slapped her bloke about, or any other internal LD candidate.0
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Second like Ed Davey?
Presumably the Lib Dems have a minimum membership period to become party leader - you couldn't just join the day nominations close and stand?
Surely no one can stop joinjo now?0 -
Has everyone insta'd and facebooked how awful Trump is ?
Come on - get those likes.
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Not exactly much in common between Anna Soubry and Joan Ryan is there? Maybe all those Guido stories re Anna and Chris Leslie divving up the CHUK posts for their spouses may have been true0
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i expect Wollaston to join the Lib Dems, but even if you're a remainer living in Totnes or Brixham would you want her or trust her to represent you?0
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My local LD canvasser told me that Chris Leslie was the only block to the TIG-Chuks and LDs joining up.TheKitchenCabinet said:Not exactly much in common between Anna Soubry and Joan Ryan is there? Maybe all those Guido stories re Anna and Chris Leslie divving up the CHUK posts for their spouses may have been true
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Chuka = No chance.0
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Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.0
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Kinda makes you wonder whether Vince regrets leaving. He's riding high now and finally getting some traction. His successor does not look likely to be a noticeable improvement.0
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To parrot my own contributions to the last thread..
Eligibility not necessarily equating to electability, of course.
I'd be surprised to see members of any party electing such a newbie, however sympathetic, good or prominent they were. Especially those who'd been in *two* other parties in the past six months.
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I hope the likes of Umunna and Allen have the humility and good sense to turn up at the Lib Dems, toe the line and offer to serve in whatever capacity the new leader sees fit. They're credible, media-friendly MPs, who alongside Swinson and Moran (and just about Davey) would look different to the Tory and Lab frontbenches.1 -
On the Conservative leadership, my fear about backing Raab - even though logically he should be a strong shot because of his pro-Brexit views - was his personality and his seemingly wooden approach. I just don't see how any MP would think he would appeal to the public (boxing shorts aside).
As for Johnson, I wonder how much the fact he is in a marginal worries MPs voting for him? Sure he could switch but, in the current environment, fleeing a seat would go down like a bucket of sick. He might be getting the public endorsements but having your leader running a GE campaign while defending their seat is a problem.
Final point. I'm not putting any more money on the Con leadership campaign until Peterborough is done. I think that is going to massively influence the contest, especially if Brexit gets a thumping win (which I think they might - you have to be motivated to turn out and seems like only TBP and LibDems are such. I would put money on the LibDems being second).0 -
Chuka can maintain his 100 per cent record of ducking the leadership of every party he's been tipped for.Ishmael_Z said:On a straw poll of 1. (myself) I find Ummuna and Wollaston have better name recognition than that woman who slapped her bloke about, or any other internal LD candidate.
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They'll have to run for county council first, that sort of thing.Richard_Nabavi said:Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
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Quite funny coming from someone who seems to admire Mr Farage. Mr Farage, aka Mr Farridge aka friend of Julian Assange and admirer of Putin. I think I'd trust her a great deal more than any of the liars and charlatans who are either manipulative or dumb enough to suggest Brexit is a good ideaBrom said:i expect Wollaston to join the Lib Dems, but even if you're a remainer living in Totnes or Brixham would you want her or trust her to represent you?
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Be a bit rough on Jo Swinson if that were to happen.0
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BBC : Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn urges President Trump to "think on about peace"
Er - which Trump war is Jezza referring to ?
Clown.0 -
Can't see the LibDems electing one of this bunch either. Chukka is uninspiring and is yesterday's man. Heidi Allen might be good for the Lib Dems though, strengthens their appeal in Remain-leaning Conservative seatsTGOHF said:
My local LD canvasser told me that Chris Leslie was the only block to the TIG-Chuks and LDs joining up.TheKitchenCabinet said:Not exactly much in common between Anna Soubry and Joan Ryan is there? Maybe all those Guido stories re Anna and Chris Leslie divving up the CHUK posts for their spouses may have been true
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https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1135894857958998016
And continuity ChuK changing their name again apparently...0 -
This rather suggests the thread header may not age that wellbrokenwheel said:https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1135894857958998016
And continuity ChuK changing their name again apparently...
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They wouldn't accept Soubry, and she wouldn't want to go. Allen & Wollaston have always been very LibDemmy (plus come with defendable seats).Pulpstar said:
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.kinabalu said:Be a bit rough on Jo Swinson if that were to happen.
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I don’t understand why anyone in the remaining Change UK rump thinks they can make a go of it. They’ve hardly set the world on fire since they launched.
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.0 -
Just TSE being mischievous, I think, entertaining as it might be.Richard_Nabavi said:Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
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Ah, but they accept new members to vote for the contest too, don't they? And most of the new members they have recruited in the last week have no institutional loyalty to Swinson or Davey anyhow.Richard_Nabavi said:Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
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Shortly there will be a election, in which Labour will increase its majority defection or few in which the Lib Dems will increase its MPs.Harris_Tweed said:
This rather suggests the thread header may not age that wellbrokenwheel said:https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1135894857958998016
And continuity ChuK changing their name again apparently...0 -
Seems the five remaining are Soubry, Gapes, Ryan, Leslie and Coffey according to the Guardian - and they are keen to stand candidates at the next election.brokenwheel said:https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1135894857958998016
And continuity ChuK changing their name again apparently...
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The Lib Dems need political talent, something clearly none of the ChuKers can provide.0
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Anti-Corbyn Labour... + Soubry..brendan16 said:
Seems the five remaining are Soubry, Gapes, Ryan, Leslie and Coffey according to the Guardian - and they are keen to stand candidates at the next election.brokenwheel said:https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1135894857958998016
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Right now the Lib Dems don't need anyone brilliant. They just need someone who can fart and chew gum at the same time: the political dynamics are so favourable for them.Cyclefree said:I don’t understand why anyone in the remaining Change UK rump thinks they can make a go of it. They’ve hardly set the world on fire since they launched.
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.
That rather excludes all the former TIGgers, I'm afraid.0 -
Donald sticking to the script so far but about to go rogue...
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Invisible Uncle Vince sounds more appealing than that.AlastairMeeks said:
Right now the Lib Dems don't need anyone brilliant. They just need someone who can fart and chew gum at the same time....Cyclefree said:I don’t understand why anyone in the remaining Change UK rump thinks they can make a go of it. They’ve hardly set the world on fire since they launched.
The Lib Dems do need a good leader. Jo Swinson seems a bit feeble. She needs to be much crisper and more focused both in getting her own message across and putting the boot into the other parties. Don’t know much about Ed Davey.
The Lib Dems have an opportunity now but they could throw it away if they just get woolly leadership, which I fear they might.0 -
Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?0
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Abandon ship!
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So now everything's changed again will their constituents get a chance to change their minds?0
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Trump : "Khan is a negative force "
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I would also be wary of Chuka. He's a powerful brand but I am not sure it would work well in the LibDem window display. Perhaps because it IS powerful.Pulpstar said:
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.0 -
Lib Dem members are actually very tribal, I'd be very surprised if any newcomer could win a members ballot.0
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Fake News - Kerching0
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Trump " Corbyn wanted to meet me but I said no. He's a negative force."
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By-elections... must... have… by-elections...brokenwheel said:So now everything's changed again will their constituents get a chance to change their minds?
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She has displayed no great skill in terms of presenting or questioning from all of I have seen her on screen. I have no idea how she got the Sky job. She has been poor on every occasion I have seen her work.brendan16 said:Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
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Today is the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.brendan16 said:Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
Corbyn was perfectly OK with attending the state banquet when the Chinese premier visited in 2015.0 -
Yes, the website says if you join before 7 June you can vote. Having said which, you'd need pretty big entryism to get a newcomer over the line - and some of the new members will be former Lab/Con and may have grudges against the Tiggers.Tissue_Price said:
Ah, but they accept new members to vote for the contest too, don't they? And most of the new members they have recruited in the last week have no institutional loyalty to Swinson or Davey anyhow.Richard_Nabavi said:Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
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Powerful?kinabalu said:
I would also be wary of Chuka. He's a powerful brand but I am not sure it would work well in the LibDem window display. Perhaps because it IS powerful.Pulpstar said:
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.
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I said a few days ago that if they think there will be an early GE, some Tiggers will defect. They appear to have made that calculation. They might've defected anyway, but I don't think they really wanted to. Some people seem to think all centrists are the same, but there are real differences of policy and outlook.
As far as the LD leader job is concerned, I doubt any of them will stand. Heidi is great but LD members wouldn't elect her over a proper LD.0 -
Post several pictures on their facebook account of themselves wearing sandals. Or invest in some PDQ.Pulpstar said:
They'll have to run for county council first, that sort of thing.Richard_Nabavi said:Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
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Post several pictures on their facebook account of themselves wearing sandals. Or invest in some PDQ.Pulpstar said:
They'll have to run for county council first, that sort of thing.Richard_Nabavi said:Welcoming and generous as LibDems no doubt are, I can't quite see party members electing as leader someone who has only just joined from a rival.
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Also, LD elections use AV. So if we assume that the long term members would put Davey/Swinson at the top in some order they couldn't split the vote and let a newcomer through.0
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Hearing from Paris that the SI Unit for Political Ineptitude has been set as the Soubry.
There are 1,000 Wollastons to the Soubry.0 -
Congrats to Johanna Konta - a significant achievement1
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Hey, Beth is great.oxfordsimon said:
She has displayed no great skill in terms of presenting or questioning from all of I have seen her on screen. I have no idea how she got the Sky job. She has been poor on every occasion I have seen her work.brendan16 said:Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
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So powerful that they won zero MEPs??kinabalu said:
I would also be wary of Chuka. He's a powerful brand but I am not sure it would work well in the LibDem window display. Perhaps because it IS powerful.Pulpstar said:
I'd be wary if I was the Lib Dems about CHUK members, Soubry in particular has the whole austerity thing about her - could retoxify.0 -
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Jeremy Corbyn is the Leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition.Scott_P said:
Trump might not like Corbyn the man but he ought to respect the POSITION.
Absolute disgrace - and SO childish.0 -
Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
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The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....0
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The Imperial unit of measurement is, of course, the May.MarqueeMark said:Hearing from Paris that the SI Unit for Political Ineptitude has been set as the Soubry.
There are 1,000 Wollastons to the Soubry.0 -
I haven't seen any of that greatness. I have seen a lack of fluency, a lack of grasp of detail and odd choice of tone. No doubt she has qualities - but I just haven't seen anything approaching greatness.Dadge said:
Hey, Beth is great.oxfordsimon said:
She has displayed no great skill in terms of presenting or questioning from all of I have seen her on screen. I have no idea how she got the Sky job. She has been poor on every occasion I have seen her work.brendan16 said:Hard to believe after those two gracious speeches from Trump and May the first question from Beth Rigby is about Jeremy Corbyn?
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So Corbyn's idea of diplomacy is to snub the President by refusing to attend a formal state banquet but to request a meeting with him?
It sounds rather like his Brexit policy.0 -
That's pretty funny that Corbyn got snubbed though. For all the Labour pontificating turns out they actually wanted to meet Trump.kinabalu said:
Jeremy Corbyn is the Leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition.Scott_P said:
Trump might not like Corbyn the man but he ought to respect the POSITION.
Absolute disgrace - and SO childish.1 -
LOL! From the same people who refuse to acknowledge the position of the President of the United States....kinabalu said:
Jeremy Corbyn is the Leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition.Scott_P said:
Trump might not like Corbyn the man but he ought to respect the POSITION.
Absolute disgrace - and SO childish.0 -
Much like how Corbyn should respect the position of POTUS? Or was he too busy on his allotment to go to the banquet?kinabalu said:
Jeremy Corbyn is the Leader of Her Majesty's Official Opposition.Scott_P said:
Trump might not like Corbyn the man but he ought to respect the POSITION.
Absolute disgrace - and SO childish.0 -
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Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
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Stop digging ! Those Trump comments are incendiary . Even many Leavers are totally against the NHS being on the table .TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
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And British companies can do the same in return - or no deal?TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
OMG !
As long as the NHS remains free at the point of use I don't really care how its run ultimately - private companies have always supported the NHS and invented drugs used in the NHS. Outcomes should be what matters - not inputs.0 -
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If Konta keeps playing like this, no-one left in the women's draw at Roland Garros can live with her. It's purely her own demons that can beat her now. Outstanding tennis in the last two games.0 -
"Boris" obliges at evens0
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The NHS is powered by pharma and science from the global private sector.nico67 said:
Stop digging ! Those Trump comments are incendiary . Even many Leavers are totally against the NHS being on the table .TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
OMG !
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Yes - but I was talking about Chuka the man not the grouping.Sunil_Prasannan said:So powerful that they won zero MEPs??
He is a little bit supernova one must admit that much.0 -
Exactly . The NHS is a red line even for Leavers .Stark_Dawning said:
Has Donald just killed Brexit stone dead? The US-UK trade deal was the last rusty nail for the Leavers to hang their coat on. Donald has just toxified it.nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
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Is Trump saying anything any other US President wouldn't say? A US-UK trade deal only happens with the agreement of both Congress and Parliament. I don't know why everyone obsesses over this.nico67 said:
Stop digging ! Those Trump comments are incendiary . Even many Leavers are totally against the NHS being on the table .TGOHF said:
You mean - the NHS might start using American drugs and American equipment ?nico67 said:Big moment . Trump admits the NHS is on the table in any trade deal.
Oh dear !
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That shows that they have met, at least.Scott_P said:0 -
Presumably Donald thought he was having his picture taken with Rupert Murdoch.Scott_P said:0 -
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They can't really carry on calling themselves Chuk once Chuka's gone!brokenwheel said:https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1135894857958998016
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They can still vote against him on a VNOC though.MarqueeMark said:The lasting legacy of Change UK may be that as three of the strongest anti-Boris chucked away their vote to succeed May, they allowed him to become Prime Minister.....
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Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.Scott_P said:
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.0 -
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And in reality a lot would have dropped out after the first/second ballot anyway.oxfordsimon said:
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.Scott_P said:
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.0 -
Have seen some on Twitter criticising Corbyn for asking for a Trump meeting but boycotting the dinner/attending the protest.
In fairness to him, I think that's pretty consistent with this from when the visit was announced.. basically relations should be businesslike without the frills.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1119393/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may
"Maintaining an important relationship with the United States does not require the pomp and ceremony of a State Visit. It is disappointing that the Prime Minister has again opted to kowtow to this US administration. I would welcome a meeting with President Trump to discuss all matters of interest."0 -
Two wrongs don't make a right. Not in my book.RobD said:Much like how Corbyn should respect the position of POTUS? Or was he too busy on his allotment to go to the banquet?
And this was more appropriate than a fancy dinner. Could have been a serious exchange of views.
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Might make him look like the outsider that the Big Bad Establishment want to silence... money couldn’t buy itScott_P said:0 -
yes, but I still think there's sense in forcing it a bittlg86 said:
And in reality a lot would have dropped out after the first/second ballot anyway.oxfordsimon said:
Whilst I can understand why they are doing this, I am never keen on changing the rules part-way through a process. I know it hasn't officially started - but effectively it has.Scott_P said:
I would have just moved from 2 votes per week to at least 3 if not 4.0 -
An evergreen comment.Tissue_Price said:"Boris" obliges at evens
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For practical purposes the microMay is more convenient, of course.Animal_pb said:
The Imperial unit of measurement is, of course, the May.MarqueeMark said:Hearing from Paris that the SI Unit for Political Ineptitude has been set as the Soubry.
There are 1,000 Wollastons to the Soubry.0
