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Strange expression on the evangelical bloke's face in that photo.HYUFD said:
Looks like an extra from "Night of the Living Dead."0 -
Surely the only qualification for being LibDem leader is to say the wordsHYUFD said:
Chuka at least would certainly be miles better than Jo Swinson or Ed DaveyChris said:
I do hope so. I'm sure we could all do with a good laugh.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/
"Bollocks to Brexit"
without either smirking or grimacing.
Sadly, that's too much for most of their MPs.0 -
Her and that lady from Totnes might hold their seats under LD banners. I can't see Anna Soubry fitting in anywhere (although who knows). For the Labourites it's a tough call.rottenborough said:
Heidi would be well advised to go LibDem. If she wants to keep her job.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/0 -
Regardless of how good or bad he might be, he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being elected leader of the Lib Dems.HYUFD said:
Chuka at least would certainly be miles better than Jo Swinson or Ed DaveyChris said:
I do hope so. I'm sure we could all do with a good laugh.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/0 -
I think Chuka is a bit too slick for thatrcs1000 said:
Surely the only qualification for being LibDem leader is to say the wordsHYUFD said:
Chuka at least would certainly be miles better than Jo Swinson or Ed DaveyChris said:
I do hope so. I'm sure we could all do with a good laugh.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/
"Bollocks to Brexit"
without either smirking or grimacing.
Sadly, that's too much for most of their MPs.0 -
Maybe not but remember the SDP-Liberal Alliance had co leaders in the 1980s, Jenkins and Steel and then Owen and Steel, if CUK and the LDs formed an alliance no reason that could not be repeated with co leaders Umunna and Swinson for exampleChris said:
Regardless of how good or bad he might be, he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being elected leader of the Lib Dems.HYUFD said:
Chuka at least would certainly be miles better than Jo Swinson or Ed DaveyChris said:
I do hope so. I'm sure we could all do with a good laugh.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/
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Testrcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
Edit: hallelujah indeed.0 -
More importantly, they have votes.kle4 said:
Bigots have very good staying power unfortunately.AndyJS said:"Birmingham LGBT row parents vow to continue school protests
Protesters against LGBT teaching at a Birmingham primary school have vowed to continue their opposition despite being banned from gathering outside the gates."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-birmingham-48504900/birmingham-lgbt-row-parents-vow-to-continue-school-protests0 -
"good" and "utterly crap and borderline childish" are not mutually exclusive when it comes to jokes...kinabalu said:
Triggers me to end the evening with a joke that I have made up and depending on my mood think is either quite good or utterly crap and borderline childish.viewcode said:
A super trouper, in fact. The lights are gonna find her...
Sweden, mid July, and Agnetha Faltskog just cannot sleep. It's 1 am and she still can't get off. To sleep. Perhaps because, this being Scandanavia, and it being high summer, it's broad daylight outside. The sun is out for god's sake!
So nothing for it, she gets up and goes out for a walk. It's actually quite hot!
Starts singing ...
"Gimme Gimme Gimme a Tan after Midnight."
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O which system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
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So anyhoo. A little piece of bad news, although considering the illnesses of his later years, possibly a blessing...
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/03/paul-darrow-cult-favourite-in-blakes-7-dies-aged-780 -
The Greens already have co-leaders (Berry and Bartley).HYUFD said:
Maybe not but remember the SDP-Liberal Alliance had co leaders in the 1980s, Jenkins and Steel and then Owen and Steel, if CUK and the LDs formed an alliance no reason that could not be repeated with co leaders Umunna and Swinson for exampleChris said:
Regardless of how good or bad he might be, he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being elected leader of the Lib Dems.HYUFD said:
Chuka at least would certainly be miles better than Jo Swinson or Ed DaveyChris said:
I do hope so. I'm sure we could all do with a good laugh.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/0 -
Does that wipe all our old comments 😅rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.0 -
1) From what system to what system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
2) From which house to which house?
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Soubry always appears to have her nose in the airrcs1000 said:
Her and that lady from Totnes might hold their seats under LD banners. I can't see Anna Soubry fitting in anywhere (although who knows). For the Labourites it's a tough call.rottenborough said:
Heidi would be well advised to go LibDem. If she wants to keep her job.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/0 -
Noooooo! At least 50 of mine are worth retaining.Charles said:
Does that wipe all our old comments 😅rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.0 -
The only bit of good news all week. Glad to see it's working properly again - let's hope rcs's system move comment is a wind-up!Ishmael_Z said:
Testrcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
Edit: hallelujah indeed.0 -
Rumour is she wants to have a crack at Ken Clarke's seat, assuming he retires. Not sure under what banner now, though. I think Allen & Wollaston both have decent chances of holding as LDs.rcs1000 said:
Her and that lady from Totnes might hold their seats under LD banners. I can't see Anna Soubry fitting in anywhere (although who knows). For the Labourites it's a tough call.rottenborough said:
Heidi would be well advised to go LibDem. If she wants to keep her job.ExiledInScotland said:Off topic. I apologies for posting a Guido link but he's sharing gossip that the CHUK group will split after a meeting tomorrow.
Does anyone know if CHUK MPs joining the Lib Dems would be eligible to stand for LD leader?
Edit: Sorry but link didnt work - https://order-order.com/2019/06/03/chuk-mps-break-meeting-tomorrow/0 -
That's sad.viewcode said:So anyhoo. A little piece of bad news, although considering the illnesses of his later years, possibly a blessing...
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/03/paul-darrow-cult-favourite-in-blakes-7-dies-aged-78
I suppose we have to accept it's definitely not coming back now.0 -
The system which only dreams in total darkness.Freggles said:
O which system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.0 -
Glad to see a fellow The National fanIshmael_Z said:
The system which only dreams in total darkness.Freggles said:
O which system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week. 0 -
Chris said:
That's sad.viewcode said:So anyhoo. A little piece of bad news, although considering the illnesses of his later years, possibly a blessing...
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/03/paul-darrow-cult-favourite-in-blakes-7-dies-aged-78
I suppose we have to accept it's definitely not coming back now. 0 -
They never learn. Ireland has powerful friends these days.rottenborough said:0 -
I'm playing with three different systems, with one of my requirements being that it works nicely with httpsviewcode said:
1) From what system to what system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
2) From which house to which house?0 -
rcs1000 said:
Glad to see a fellow The National fanIshmael_Z said:
The system which only dreams in total darkness.Freggles said:
O which system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week. 0 -
So the comments system is being taken over by C'thulu? Why am i not surprised?...Ishmael_Z said:
The system which only dreams in total darkness.Freggles said:
O which system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week. 0 -
I've never watched Blake's 7 but it sounds like an interesting show.0
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The new album is great. Oblivions may be their best song for... well, ever.Ishmael_Z said:rcs1000 said:
Glad to see a fellow The National fanIshmael_Z said:
The system which only dreams in total darkness.Freggles said:
O which system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D69HB5gF3W80 -
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In many cases in my experience, small business are wealth creators and big businesses rent seekers. This is particularly true of big businesses with access to taxpayer funding or effective monopolies (my employers do odd bits of work for the water industry - the levels of wastage from the larger civil outfits in the game have to be seen to be believed).MarqueeMark said:
Pointedly supporting wealth creators - not big business. He seems to think they are different.....rottenborough said:Boris video says he wants to support the business sector.
A few weeks ago, they were getting in the way and it was "f**k business"0 -
He's tough, he's tough, he's so tough.HYUFD said:
Oh, wait a minute:
He said: “It’s feasible if we have the perspective of either a new referendum or a totally new scheme which would be acceptable for the 27 and our negotiator.”0 -
"He also ruled out any renegotiation of Mrs May’s hated Brexit deal, insisting efforts to rework the Irish backstop as a “non-starter”.Chris said:
He's tough, he's tough, he's so tough.HYUFD said:
Oh, wait a minute:
He said: “It’s feasible if we have the perspective of either a new referendum or a totally new scheme which would be acceptable for the 27 and our negotiator.”
So that means only EUref2 or a Single Market/Customs Union arrangement would prevent a revoke v No Deal choice for the Commons in October if the Commons has not voted for the Withdrawal Agreement by then0 -
Coalition government agreed in Finland:
Social Democrats: PM, Transports, Work, Sevices, Local government, International Trade & Development, European Affairs
Centre: Finance, Economy, Science and Culture, Defence, Agriculture
Greens: Home Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Environment
Left: Education, Health and Social Services
Swedish's People Party: Justice, Equality and Nordic Co-operation
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Please please please make sure it works well on mobile. To be fair that’s always been something that’s worked well on vanilla.rcs1000 said:
I'm playing with three different systems, with one of my requirements being that it works nicely with httpsviewcode said:
1) From what system to what system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
2) From which house to which house?0 -
I wouldn't have been that surprised if he'd ruled out the "totally new scheme" option too.HYUFD said:
"He also ruled out any renegotiation of Mrs May’s hated Brexit deal, insisting efforts to rework the Irish backstop as a “non-starter”.Chris said:
He's tough, he's tough, he's so tough.HYUFD said:
Oh, wait a minute:
He said: “It’s feasible if we have the perspective of either a new referendum or a totally new scheme which would be acceptable for the 27 and our negotiator.”
So that means only EUref2 or a Single Market/Customs Union arrangement would prevent a revoke v No Deal choice for the Commons in October if the Commons has not voted for the Withdrawal Agreement by then0 -
I am sorry. I missed this. I’ll have a listen and respond tomorrow @Gadfly, if that’s OK.Gadfly said:> @Cyclefree said:
> Rory Stewart doing a John Major in Hyde Park. I doubt he’ll get anywhere but he is one of the few who is bothering to engage with the voters for real - not in expensively produced videos. He deserves considerable credit for that.
I have met Rory Stewart several times and have always admired him.
My faith was however slightly shaken when I listened to this weekend's interview with James Kirkup, in which he proposed a citizens' assembly as the solution to Brexit, without any indication as to how this would bind parliament.
I would appreciate your view (the Brexit bit starts at around 13 minutes in)...
https://audioboom.com/posts/7276969-rory-stewart-i-can-solve-brexit-in-five-weeks0 -
This.not_on_fire said:
Please please please make sure it works well on mobile. To be fair that’s always been something that’s worked well on vanilla.rcs1000 said:
I'm playing with three different systems, with one of my requirements being that it works nicely with httpsviewcode said:
1) From what system to what system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
2) From which house to which house?0 -
Ha
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When the Tiggers were launced back in late February, there were some who compared the event to the founding of the SDP in early 1981. Others suggested that the creation of Veritas by Kilroy-Silk was the more apt comparison. I leave it to others to decide which judgement was the more prescient.1
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This is how Nadine Dorries describes Boris:
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/11356148812087009300 -
Not fighting the local elections was a big mistake for them in retrospect.justin124 said:When the Tiggers were launced back in late February, there were some who compared the event to the founding of the SDP in early 1981. Others suggested that the creation of Veritas by Kilroy-Silk was the more apt comparison. I leave it to others to decide which judgement was the more prescient.
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I think the big mistake was actually accepting 3 Tory defectors.AndyJS said:
Not fighting the local elections was a big mistake for them in retrospect.justin124 said:When the Tiggers were launced back in late February, there were some who compared the event to the founding of the SDP in early 1981. Others suggested that the creation of Veritas by Kilroy-Silk was the more apt comparison. I leave it to others to decide which judgement was the more prescient.
If they had stuck as a protest movement drawing people from the sensible wing of the Labour Party - they could have built some momentum. But it is hard to imagine anyone from the Left voluntarily thinking 'I know, that nice Anna Soubry is who I want as a new colleague - I will join so I can be like her.'
Also, they failed to attract a real big beast - the SDP was based around the Gang of Four - all of whom had a track record in government. They never had any really strength in the experience department - and certainly weren't helped by their best communicator taking maternity leave.
The timing was wrong, the initial group setting it was wrong and they let the wrong people join at the wrong time.
Other than that, it was perfect.0 -
Maybe that's true about involving the Tories.oxfordsimon said:
I think the big mistake was actually accepting 3 Tory defectors.AndyJS said:
Not fighting the local elections was a big mistake for them in retrospect.justin124 said:When the Tiggers were launced back in late February, there were some who compared the event to the founding of the SDP in early 1981. Others suggested that the creation of Veritas by Kilroy-Silk was the more apt comparison. I leave it to others to decide which judgement was the more prescient.
If they had stuck as a protest movement drawing people from the sensible wing of the Labour Party - they could have built some momentum. But it is hard to imagine anyone from the Left voluntarily thinking 'I know, that nice Anna Soubry is who I want as a new colleague - I will join so I can be like her.'
Also, they failed to attract a real big beast - the SDP was based around the Gang of Four - all of whom had a track record in government. They never had any really strength in the experience department - and certainly weren't helped by their best communicator taking maternity leave.
The timing was wrong, the initial group setting it was wrong and they let the wrong people join at the wrong time.
Other than that, it was perfect.0 -
Nice work!rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.1 -
TestGallowgate said:
This.not_on_fire said:
Please please please make sure it works well on mobile. To be fair that’s always been something that’s worked well on vanilla.rcs1000 said:
I'm playing with three different systems, with one of my requirements being that it works nicely with httpsviewcode said:
1) From what system to what system?rcs1000 said:
Hallelujia! Commenting is fixed.rcs1000 said:
Oh wow.Casino_Royale said:Boris's campaign looked pretty well planned out to me. It's proceeding on the basis that if he gets to the final two he wins the members vote by default, so he's spending little time with the public and almost all of it behind the scenes wining, dining and wooing MPs one by one, and releasing a few more each day to keep momentum up, thereby pressuring the others.
He must be getting good advice.
Which is ironic, as we're changing system after I move house next week.
2) From which house to which house?-1 -
Just working as a split in Labour would have never provided a break through, they saw the problems the SDP had working almost exclusively as a split in Labour. Although that harmed Labour in the next election it destroyed the splitters.oxfordsimon said:
I think the big mistake was actually accepting 3 Tory defectors.AndyJS said:
Not fighting the local elections was a big mistake for them in retrospect.justin124 said:When the Tiggers were launced back in late February, there were some who compared the event to the founding of the SDP in early 1981. Others suggested that the creation of Veritas by Kilroy-Silk was the more apt comparison. I leave it to others to decide which judgement was the more prescient.
If they had stuck as a protest movement drawing people from the sensible wing of the Labour Party - they could have built some momentum. But it is hard to imagine anyone from the Left voluntarily thinking 'I know, that nice Anna Soubry is who I want as a new colleague - I will join so I can be like her.'
Also, they failed to attract a real big beast - the SDP was based around the Gang of Four - all of whom had a track record in government. They never had any really strength in the experience department - and certainly weren't helped by their best communicator taking maternity leave.
The timing was wrong, the initial group setting it was wrong and they let the wrong people join at the wrong time.
Other than that, it was perfect.
From a 'there is a huge gap in the centre voters are calling out to be filled' view, almost En Marche style their actions make sense. Now I never actually particularly believed that line, for a number of reasons I thought it was rubbish but I presume some of the CUK MPs did believe that, plenty of centrist types in the media would repeat it often enough, I assume some of those actually believed it.
It is also why part of their strategy was to eat the Lib Dems before replacing one of the two main parties. It is the reason why they didn't just call themselves the remain party, what does that mean when Brexit is over and done with as this party is going to be a serious contender for government.
Basically they were arrogant, if they were more realistic they probably wouldn't have left in the first place. If they were more realistic and still left and formed a party though they might have accepted they were going to be a poor rendition of the SDP and maximised that instead somewhat along the lines you mentioned.0 -
https://twitter.com/DavidHirsh/status/1135473282088656897
Sort of makes me feel better that his crazy takes aren't just related to Labour...0 -
O/T
I've been reading a number of articles in full on The Times website even though I'm not a subscriber and I've already read my free article for the week. I don't know whether there's some problem with their website at the moment which is allowing this to happen. Usually in that situation you can only read the first few lines.0 -
Great new thread, folks. Truly great.0
