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So you'd rather 25% of people that bother to vote were unrepresented, while some parties have 29 more MPs on half the vote of other parties. Fair enough, each to their own,BobaFett said:
You then end up with 20 second-class MPs who are not elected by their constituents but from the scraps from the master's table.isam said:
Personally I think pr/av etc is too complicated for voters... Having one box to tick makes it nice and easydavid_herdson said:
To put that into context, were those vote shares realised under a fully proportional list PR system (and obviously, changing the system would change how people voted so I'm not suggesting we can read straight across), the number of MPs would be something like:isam said:I'd take 19% and no seats, and the LDs getting 28 seats with 10% just to see them try and justify it with a straight face!
Lab: 215
Con: 183
UKIP: 120
LD: 63
Others: 69
My solution would be to have 630 constituencies and allocate the other 20 seats on national vote share. Something like one seat for each five percent. So if the results were as this poll suggested, ukip could choose 3 candidates to represent them in the House of Commons and their constituency would be 19% of the country spread about
Many of the 20 MPs you call seconds class would be from the 20 constituencies that were abolished anyway, but at least parties that get decent vote nationwide would be able to represent the nations wishes0 -
It is just a duel, 'pouter.compouter2 said:
Crap plot, if it took ten years. Which side are you on Team Boris or Team Gideon?Scott_P said:
Gordon Brown didn't plot Tony's downfall for 10 years. No, sireecompouter2 said:
No party does infighting better than the Tories
You need to dine at the Bullingdon not a food bank to understand.
They will both be sober in the morning.0 -
Are you with Team Boris or Team Gideon?Scrapheap_as_was said:compouter2 said:Favourite Dan Hodges Headlines quoted on PB:
Sun comes out is bad news for Ed Miliband
Two plus Two equaling four is bad news for Ed Miliband
Marginal voter losing the tv remote is bad news for Ed Miliband
Floating voter finding lost sock in the fridge is bad news for Ed Miliband
Labour majority will be bad news for Ed Miliband
Curtains clashing with your wallpaper is bad news for Ed Miliband
In other news strange how the last Populus poll was given the full squirrel treatment on here and produce a full two posts, whilst todays Opinium gave us a bit of excitement among the usual suspects, despite both having the same Labour lead percentage.
Show me the crossover......Show me the crossover!
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It's all very entertaining though. Go Team Boris!AveryLP said:
It is just a duel, 'pouter.compouter2 said:
Crap plot, if it took ten years. Which side are you on Team Boris or Team Gideon?Scott_P said:
Gordon Brown didn't plot Tony's downfall for 10 years. No, sireecompouter2 said:
No party does infighting better than the Tories
You need to dine at the Bullingdon not a food bank to understand.
They will both be sober in the morning.0 -
Rage of Boris at 'Osborne the liar.'compouter2 said:
Who needs polls, Gideon and Boris are doing the Battle of the Bullingdons.Toms said:With all these polls, is it possible to contract battle fatigue before the election even starts?
The simmering ‘Boris versus George’ leadership feud burst into the open over reports that Mr Osborne had ‘delivered personally’ a message to Mr Johnson that David Cameron wants him to stand as a parliamentary candidate at the next Election.
The aim was said to be to force Mr Johnson to prove his loyalty by ‘pinning his political fate to that of the Prime Minister’. But it sparked a fierce backlash from Mr Johnson.
A well-placed source says that, when he was told Mr Osborne had approached him about the matter, the Mayor exclaimed: ‘Bull****! There has been no such conversation. They are trying to tie me in.’
Mr Johnson believes the manoeuvre is a ploy to ensure he gets equal blame if the Tories lose power, and make it easier for Mr Osborne to beat him in a subsequent race to succeed Mr Cameron.
There is a growing rift between the two men, now seen as the main candidates in the race to succeed Mr Cameron in the event of a Tory flop at the next Election.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2571103/Rage-Boris-Osborne-liar-Johnson-savage-attack-dirty-tricks-plot-No11-derail-leadership-hopes.html
A fop flop? Preposterous!
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Team Alexander, surely?compouter2 said:
Are you with Team Boris...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
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There will be caviar and Bolly a.o.t.s..Mick_Pork said:
The simmering ‘Boris versus George’ leadership feud burst into the open over reports that Mr Osborne had ‘delivered personally’ a message to Mr Johnson that David Cameron wants him to stand as a parliamentary candidate at the next Election.compouter2 said:
Who needs polls, Gideon and Boris are doing the Battle of the Bullingdons.Toms said:With all these polls, is it possible to contract battle fatigue before the election even starts?
The aim was said to be to force Mr Johnson to prove his loyalty by ‘pinning his political fate to that of the Prime Minister’. But it sparked a fierce backlash from Mr Johnson.
A well-placed source says that, when he was told Mr Osborne had approached him about the matter, the Mayor exclaimed: ‘Bull****! There has been no such conversation. They are trying to tie me in.’
Mr Johnson believes the manoeuvre is a ploy to ensure he gets equal blame if the Tories lose power, and make it easier for Mr Osborne to beat him in a subsequent race to succeed Mr Cameron.
There is a growing rift between the two men, now seen as the main candidates in the race to succeed Mr Cameron in the event of a Tory flop at the next Election.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2571103/Rage-Boris-Osborne-liar-Johnson-savage-attack-dirty-tricks-plot-No11-derail-leadership-hopes.html
A fop flop? Preposterous!
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The good old days when they were all good chums:
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Don't any of these Bullingdon chums like their first names?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Team Alexander, surely?compouter2 said:
Are you with Team Boris...?
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I wish I had a chum photo ;-)compouter2 said:The good old days when they were all good chums:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2407406-1B8A4305000005DC-25_634x489.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-1354152-0D0EB53C000005DC-519_233x437.jpg
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You changed your first fake name for another onecompouter2 said:
Don't any of them like their first names?
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Yes, but I am not telling lies about the Mayor of London.Scott_P said:
You changed your first fake name for another onecompouter2 said:
Don't any of them like their first names?0 -
It's OK, he bessy mates with his brother.Tykejohnno said:
I wish I had a chum photo ;-)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-1354152-0D0EB53C000005DC-519_233x437.jpg
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I'm digging that jumper, would keep me warm for the match.Tykejohnno said:
I wish I had a chum photo ;-)compouter2 said:The good old days when they were all good chums:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2407406-1B8A4305000005DC-25_634x489.jpg
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So who do we think is causing all the trouble, Gideon or Boris, I am biased being on Team Boris. Who do the other posters think?0
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He will also be given a similar message as well.isam said:
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The Museum of Scotland was a Tory carbuncle (Michael Forsyth).SeanT said:
I love much modern architecture, but Edinburgh - one of the world's most beautiful capitals - is blemished by TWO hideous modern buildings, the Museum of Scotland, and the Scottish Parliament. They just don't work, and they are big: they positively prolapse into the cityscape.Carnyx said:MonikerDiCanio said:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/cheaper-to-tear-down-scottish-parliament-by-2020-1-3265721Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, sounds like another way of saying England needs devolution.
If we get it, I hope they have a proper building instead of some poncey modern structure.
It's horrible,badly built and ruinously expensive to maintain.There's a growing movement calling for its demolition.
The SNP wanted the old Royal High School on Calton Hill. It was Mr Dewar and Labour (then as ever run from London) who refused to accept such common sense and who made the disastrous key decisions well before the Scottish Parliament was even convened. It was only the expenses scandals at Westminster, and the fact that Holyrood had got its act sorted out well before, that remedied that in terms of public perception.
To be fair to the architect, he was dying of a brain tumour, I believe.
What are your views on Portcullis House, in terms of architecture, sustainability and budget for function (as an office block for only a minority of Westminster MPs)?
And, unfortunately, Edinburgh is quite a small capital, so it is damaged by these buildings. By contrast a vast city like London, less obviously handsome than Edinburgh, but much grander in size and swagger, can absorb some ugly intrusions (which is lucky, as there have been many).
And the Scots Parliament cost so much!
Terrible shame. It could and should have been a masterpiece.
The Holyrood building was a Labour carbuncle (Donald Dewar).0 -
If you watched the football I watched today,no jumper would have warmed you up ;-)compouter2 said:
I'm digging that jumper, would keep me warm for the match.Tykejohnno said:
I wish I had a chum photo ;-)compouter2 said:The good old days when they were all good chums:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2407406-1B8A4305000005DC-25_634x489.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-1354152-0D0EB53C000005DC-519_233x437.jpg
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This would have been amazingSeanT said:
Terrible shame. It could and should have been a masterpiece.the Campaign for a Scottish Parliament yesterday urged Mr Dewar to back a legislative ''campus'' spread across Calton Hill, Regent Road and Waterloo Place encompassing several buildings including the former General Post Office.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/snp-says-calton-hill-site-has-clear-consensus-1.374708
The plan was a glass roof, a bit like the British Library. Sadly not to be0 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER5vZGfVUeYisam said:
Doesn't mick pork call Sean t "Gildas" on a daily basis without this ever being mentioned?PBModerator said:Isam - You've been previously warned about this behaviour towards new posters.
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Oh bugger.....that means that any new leftie poster cannot be accused of being Tim. Ah, those were the days.PBModerator said:
He will also be given a similar message as well.isam said:
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/snp-says-calton-hill-site-has-clear-consensus-1.374708Scott_P said:
This would have been amazingSeanT said:
Terrible shame. It could and should have been a masterpiece.the Campaign for a Scottish Parliament yesterday urged Mr Dewar to back a legislative ''campus'' spread across Calton Hill, Regent Road and Waterloo Place encompassing several buildings including the former General Post Office.
The plan was a glass roof, a bit like the British Library. Sadly not to be
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Ho ho. This from a Scottish Tory!
Do you want us to remind you which party consistently opposed the campaign for a Scottish Parliament?
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Speaking of tim, to chance my arm I'll say I'd quite like to see the old boy back and running. When in form he's funny-amusing.0
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I see what you mean. On the footballing note, has Pardew lost the plot. He is in a long term contract, on very high wages and knows full well that the only way the club could get rid of him without paying up would be some sort of misconduct, so he goes and buts an opposition player. The mans an idiot.Tykejohnno said:
If you watched the football I watched today,no jumper would have warmed you up ;-)compouter2 said:
I'm digging that jumper, would keep me warm for the match.Tykejohnno said:
I wish I had a chum photo ;-)compouter2 said:The good old days when they were all good chums:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2407406-1B8A4305000005DC-25_634x489.jpg
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Is that how we have to deal with you when Scotland's still our fag in sept?Mick_Pork said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER5vZGfVUeYisam said:
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We were discussing architecture. Do try and keep up.Stuart_Dickson said:
- "Sadly not to be" ??
Given the choice between the epic disaster of Holyrood and the plan I mentioned, I am sad Waterloo Place didn't happen.
Still, I am sure your random mention of Scottish Tories will cheer up your Nat pals. They seem quite unhappy at the moment.0 -
Sunday People run the government funding for PIE story.
Huge sums of TAXPAYER'S cash 'handed to vile child-sex pervert group' by Home Office officials
The claim is that £70,000 was provided by the Home Office between 1977 and 1980. The Civil Servant who "rubber stamped" the payments is identified as Clifford Hindley.
It seems that all three main parties are tarnished by the revelations.
The funding was originally authorised by the Labour Government under Callaghan.
It was renewed by the Tories under Thatcher.
Clifford Hindley who unusually for the time was openly gay, was well known in Whitehall as a pal of Jeremy Thorpe, the ex-Liberal leader who was acquitted in a sensational murder trial
The full sorry story here: http://bit.ly/1d8cf51
This revelation, anticipated by coverage in the Mail, may go some way to explain why Dacre ran the NCCL/PIE story to burn out last week.0 -
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6CSSnHHaH3A/maxresdefault.jpgisam said:
Is that how we have to deal with you when Scotland's still our fag in sept?Mick_Pork said:
ROFLisam said:
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So your response to tantrums is incoherent rage. Most amusing and not hilarious proof at all.
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@toadmeister: Horrified by prospect of country led by homophobic gangster invading Ukraine. Hope to join @OwenJones84 and pals soon. When's the protest?0
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Club Statement: Alan Pardewcompouter2 said:
I see what you mean. On the footballing note, has Pardew lost the plot. He is in a long term contract, on very high wages and knows full well that the only way the club could get rid of him without paying up would be some sort of misconduct, so he goes and buts an opposition player. The mans an idiot.Tykejohnno said:
If you watched the football I watched today,no jumper would have warmed you up ;-)compouter2 said:
I'm digging that jumper, would keep me warm for the match.Tykejohnno said:
I wish I had a chum photo ;-)compouter2 said:The good old days when they were all good chums:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2407406-1B8A4305000005DC-25_634x489.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-1354152-0D0EB53C000005DC-519_233x437.jpg
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20140301/club-statement-alan-pardew_2281670_3693543
BBC Sport @BBCSport · 13 mins
Newcastle issue statement saying manager Alan Pardew has been issued with a £100,000 fine and formal warning from the club #nufc #MOTD
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Haha you got me, I'm livid! Damn this incoherent rage!Mick_Pork said:
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6CSSnHHaH3A/maxresdefault.jpgisam said:
Is that how we have to deal with you when Scotland's still our fag in sept?Mick_Pork said:
ROFLisam said:
Doesn't mick pork call Sean t "Gildas" on a daily basis without this ever being mentioned?PBModerator said:Isam - You've been previously warned about this behaviour towards new posters.
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LOL
So your response to tantrums is incoherent rage. Most amusing and not hilarious proof at all.
I understand why you're always so touchy, I hate the eu ruling England so lord knows how it must feel to be Scottish with us bossing you about for the last 300 years or so
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Daniel Trilling @trillingual 13h
This "foreign land" line of Farage's is nicked from William Hague, isn't it? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/28/nigel-farage-ukip-immigration-speech …
Yup.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1201755.stm
Somewhat puzzling why wee Willie Hague wasn't called a "fruitcake, loony and closet racist" for that though luckily Cammie was only a prospective MP at that time.
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Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.0
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Been out all day. Do we have a new Indy poll showing Yes on 40%?
Twitter suggests so.0 -
http://polizeros.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/crying-baby.jpgisam said:
Haha you got me, I'm livid! Damn this incoherent rage!Mick_Pork said:
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6CSSnHHaH3A/maxresdefault.jpgisam said:
Is that how we have to deal with you when Scotland's still our fag in sept?Mick_Pork said:
ROFLisam said:
Doesn't mick pork call Sean t "Gildas" on a daily basis without this ever being mentioned?PBModerator said:Isam - You've been previously warned about this behaviour towards new posters.
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LOL
So your response to tantrums is incoherent rage. Most amusing and not hilarious proof at all.
I understand why you're always so touchy, I hate the eu ruling England so lord knows how it must feel to be Scottish with us bossing you about for the last 300 years or so
"us" Comedy Gold.
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OrSMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
Nadine Dorries MP ✔ @NadineDorriesMP
Given that I wrote this two weeks ago in the MoS, I am slightly fascinated with MoS front page tomorrow... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2560408/MP-NADINE-DORRIES-Launch-secret-weapon-Dave-Get-Boris-Number-10-make-Deputy-Prime-Minister.html …
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Seems bizarre - still too early for them to throw the towel in. Extraordinary stuff - although Boris' I'll discipline is legend. Who are his key allies in the House?SMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
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True but the incompetent fop failed to get boundary changes and the gullible tory eurosceptics are going to erupt again soon enough. Likely around about May.SMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
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Enoch Powell said it in 1968Mick_Pork said:Daniel Trilling @trillingual 13h
This "foreign land" line of Farage's is nicked from William Hague, isn't it? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/28/nigel-farage-ukip-immigration-speech …
Yup.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1201755.stm
Somewhat puzzling why wee Willie Hague wasn't called a "fruitcake, loony and closet racist" for that though luckily Cammie was only a prospective MP at that time.0 -
Chortle away!Mick_Pork said:
http://polizeros.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/crying-baby.jpgisam said:
Haha you got me, I'm livid! Damn this incoherent rage!Mick_Pork said:
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/6CSSnHHaH3A/maxresdefault.jpgisam said:Mick_Pork said:
ROFLisam said:
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Is that how we have to deal with you when Scotland's still our fag in sept?
LOL
So your response to tantrums is incoherent rage. Most amusing and not hilarious proof at all.
I understand why you're always so touchy, I hate the eu ruling England so lord knows how it must feel to be Scottish with us bossing you about for the last 300 years or so
"us" Comedy Gold.
*chortle*
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Not sure about the House but he might have a mole in number 10 in Lynton Crosby.BobaFett said:
Seems bizarre - still too early for them to throw the towel in. Extraordinary stuff - although Boris' I'll discipline is legend. Who are his key allies in the House?SMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
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Talking of Boris, the Mayor of London's Office has set up a large stage with stands in Trafalgar Square, for the start of 'Russia Week' tomorrow. Fortuitous timing.
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Bit unfair to blame Dave for losing boundary reforms given Tory rebels shot down Lord`s reform and Clegg vetoed boundary changes in revenge.Mick_Pork said:
True but the incompetent fop failed to get boundary changes and the gullible tory eurosceptics are going to erupt again soon enough. Likely around about May.SMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
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It`s actually quite a good idea.Vote Cameron,get Boris!Tykejohnno said:
OrSMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
Nadine Dorries MP ✔ @NadineDorriesMP
Given that I wrote this two weeks ago in the MoS, I am slightly fascinated with MoS front page tomorrow... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2560408/MP-NADINE-DORRIES-Launch-secret-weapon-Dave-Get-Boris-Number-10-make-Deputy-Prime-Minister.html …0 -
World War III (Der Dritte Weltkrieg)Sunil_Prasannan said:
TerminatorRochdalePioneers said:Apocalypse-a-thon materiel for a Saturday night
Dr Strangelove
Threads
By Dawn's Early Light
The War Game
The Day After
Fail Safe
On The Beach
Planet of the Apes
Oblivion
Book of Eli
Independence Day
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III_(film)
* h ttp://tu.tv/videos/zdf-tv-docudrama-world-war-3
Without Warning (1984)
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Without_Warning_(1994_film)
* h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xMTA7qhZM
Fail Safe (2000)
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail_Safe_(2000_TV_film)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=djqlAT-7be4
Countdown to Looking Glass (1984)
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_to_Looking_Glass
www.youtube.com/watch?v=knSSUEdLcvg
Special Bulletin (1983)
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Bulletin
* h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKY-2zkWJuo
Testament (1983)
* h ttp://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/testament-1983
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament_(film)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOe57HG_MU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOcVbQpUhuw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNFPpdrn9dM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxbQSdua54
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba2ITH1Wzks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvyr_0sJrM0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EakU0s5FxI
First Strike (1979)
* h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Strike_(1979_film)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlPEBROvR9w
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Now that would be the cherry on the cake making the person who has just called the Chancellor a liar as Deputy PM, oh please let this happen.Tykejohnno said:
OrSMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
Nadine Dorries MP ✔ @NadineDorriesMP
Given that I wrote this two weeks ago in the MoS, I am slightly fascinated with MoS front page tomorrow... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2560408/MP-NADINE-DORRIES-Launch-secret-weapon-Dave-Get-Boris-Number-10-make-Deputy-Prime-Minister.html …0 -
Sunder Katwala @sundersays Feb 28
Like all Osbrowne master strategies, 'clever' right up until it falls apart.
Clever if counterintuitive idea for no10 to brief story saying Boris running for Commons 2015 would demonstrate loyalty to Cameron. (Times)Tim Montgomerie @TimMontgomerie 1m
Boris v Osborne looks like it's now out in the open --- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2571103/Rage-Boris-Osborne-liar-Johnson-savage-attack-dirty-tricks-plot-No11-derail-leadership-hopes.html …0 -
Absolute classic!TheWatcher said:Talking of Boris, the Mayor of London's Office has set up a large stage with stands in Trafalgar Square, for the start of 'Russia Week' tomorrow. Fortuitous timing.
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Only the sixth in a row so no possible trend there.BobaFett said:Been out all day. Do we have a new Indy poll showing Yes on 40%?
Twitter suggests so.
Yes Clydesdale @YesClydesdale 6h
New @YouGov poll puts Yes at 40% - the sixth poll in a row to put support for Yes in the 40's. http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/mar/40-yes-vote-yougov-poll-first-launch … #indyref0 -
US to Russia: Pull out of Ukraine immediately
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/01/crimean-putin-russia-ukraine/5922731/0 -
Jane Merrick ✔ @janemerrick23compouter2 said:
Now that would be the cherry on the cake making the person who has just called the Chancellor a liar as Deputy PM, oh please let this happen.Tykejohnno said:
OrSMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
Nadine Dorries MP ✔ @NadineDorriesMP
Given that I wrote this two weeks ago in the MoS, I am slightly fascinated with MoS front page tomorrow... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2560408/MP-NADINE-DORRIES-Launch-secret-weapon-Dave-Get-Boris-Number-10-make-Deputy-Prime-Minister.html …
Lord Owen has ended his 33 year estrangement from Labour by backing Ed Miliband over party reform + donating £7.5k
You must be proud,could we see David owen rejoining labour,tell ed to keep away from his top pocket ;-)
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Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 120 -
Perhaps Owen Jones reads hopenothate and is concerned about the Ukranian Right Sector : http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/international/article/1749/czech-ultra-right-invites-militant-nazis-from-ukraines-right-sector
So Putins homophobia vs the homophobic fascists. It is really quite hard to pick sides with this one. Perhaps best to decide what Britains interests are before getting too deep in the mire of competing slavic nationalisms.Scott_P said:@toadmeister: Horrified by prospect of country led by homophobic gangster invading Ukraine. Hope to join @OwenJones84 and pals soon. When's the protest?
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Labour turncoat David Owen makes surprise return to the fold after 33 years
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-owen-returns-labour-party-3197563?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed0 -
Is the incompetent fop going to do another 'Syria' in the commons and risk getting humiliated by his own side again? I somehow doubt it.compouter2 said:
Absolute classic!TheWatcher said:Talking of Boris, the Mayor of London's Office has set up a large stage with stands in Trafalgar Square, for the start of 'Russia Week' tomorrow. Fortuitous timing.
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Fantastic poll for the gadflies.0
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John Major no doubt also felt hard done by but a weak PM is a weak PM. They're Cameron's backbenchers and he keeps taking them for gullible fools. So they're obviously going to hit back hard every time they belatedly realise they've been had.SMukesh said:
Bit unfair to blame Dave for losing boundary reforms given Tory rebels shot down Lord`s reform and Clegg vetoed boundary changes in revenge.Mick_Pork said:
True but the incompetent fop failed to get boundary changes and the gullible tory eurosceptics are going to erupt again soon enough. Likely around about May.SMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
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Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
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YouGov for the Sunday Times finds that
34% of voters think Harman and Dromey should apologise, while 32% believe the controversy is a storm in a teacup and they do not need to do so.
The YouGov poll found that only 5% of people believed the NCCL was right to let Pie become an affiliate, while 69% thought it was wrong.0 -
Going well!TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 120 -
Ashcroft digging out Cameron
Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft)
28/02/2014 12:08
Perhaps @bobscartoons sums it up..... pic.twitter.com/L6VGAjX62x
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There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.0 -
Something tells me he is on Team Boris with me.isam said:Ashcroft digging out Cameron
Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft)
28/02/2014 12:08
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Nothing to do with HoL reform.SMukesh said:
Bit unfair to blame Dave for losing boundary reforms given Tory rebels shot down Lord`s reform and Clegg vetoed boundary changes in revenge.Mick_Pork said:
True but the incompetent fop failed to get boundary changes and the gullible tory eurosceptics are going to erupt again soon enough. Likely around about May.SMukesh said:Looks like the succession war has started in the Tory party.Not sure why as Cameron is not that far behind.
"Matthew D'Ancona says in his book In It Together (p. 289), based on his own direct conversations, that by the summer of 2012 Nick Clegg had come to believe that the boundary changes constituted "an existential threat" to the Liberal Democrats. In his exact words, quoted by D'Ancona, "I can't, under any circumstances, allow these boundary changes to take place before the next election. This is an existential threat.""
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jessenorman/100258267/the-masters-of-truthiness-are-spreading-ignorance-about-lords-reform/
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I rather worry that 24h news is creating the crisis in Ukraine. The BBC sensationalising every step for example.
I imagine the reality of their state's disintegration for most Ukrainians is very dull indeed. I'm rather hoping that it stays dull.
The newspapers are just trying to keep up with the TV stations in terms of sensationalism, and given they only get one shot per day they have to try even harder.
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I'd put this poll down to a combination of Harman/Dromey/Hewitt and Farage's speech.0
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As near as you can get in diplomatic language to telling the leader of the western world to f*ck off:
Official release by Kremlin through ITAR-TASS:
MOSCOW, March 02, /ITAR-TASS/.
Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. counterpart Barack Obama discussed in detail “different aspects of an extraordinary situation in Ukraine” in a telephone conversation, the Kremlin press service reported on Sunday.
The Russian president noted that Russia retained the right to protect country’s interests and Russian speakers living in Ukraine if violence spread on eastern Ukrainian regions and the Crimea. Putin stated about real threats to life and health of Russian citizens and numerous compatriots living in the country.
In reply to Obama’s concern voiced over plans on possible use of Russian armed forces in Ukraine Putin noted provocative and criminal actions by ultra-nationalistic elements that are actually encouraged by current authorities in Kiev.
The United States initiated the telephone conversation.
And in case anyone thought that the report of this call reflected the poor personal relationship between Putin and Obama, see also:
ITAR-TASS links:
Putin tells UN head Russia can’t stay aside if violence flares in Ukraine
Putin tells France president about real threats to life of Russian citizens in Ukraine
The west have so far handled this crisis with total lack of vision, strategy and understanding of where real power lies.
It looks as though Putin has committed to fast and decisive action (no doubt to be justified by some provocative incidents tomorrow).0 -
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png0 -
What is the MoS stoy actually about - i.e. what has Boris accused Ozzy of lying about?0
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No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png0 -
So what does it show then?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png 0 -
That's all polls. In close detail YouGov is far more spiky and somewhat erratic at times and not just because of the sheer volume of their polling.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
You can see for yourself as the all polls trend does include all the polling companies where you can pick out YouGov's figures individually on any set date they were done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election0 -
In the Sunday Times there's a story about Lord Howard at a private dinner at a think thank
A source said Howard’s message was “forget the obsession with UKIP, we need to target the collapse of the Lib Dem vote and one of the ways to do this is to face down the climate sceptics”.0 -
It is the Tory vote firming up to the mid thirties and the Labour vote sliding down the wall like a slug on barbiturates which should worry the left.BobaFett said:
So what does it show then?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
The sign posts are clear.
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It might worry the left, were it happening!AveryLP said:
It is the Tory vote firming up to the mid thirties and the Labour vote sliding down the wall like a slug on barbiturates which should worry the left.BobaFett said:
So what does it show then?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
The sign posts are clear.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png0 -
He actually thinks there are votes in the Conservatives attacking climate sceptics?TheScreamingEagles said:In the Sunday Times there's a story about Lord Howard at a private dinner at a think thank
A source said Howard’s message was “forget the obsession with UKIP, we need to target the collapse of the Lib Dem vote and one of the ways to do this is to face down the climate sceptics”.
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It looks like this.BobaFett said:
So what does it show then?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
The Screaming Eagles @TSEofPB now
YouGov VI trends in this parliament.
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Yes.anotherDave said:
He actually thinks there are votes in the Conservatives attacking climate sceptics?TheScreamingEagles said:In the Sunday Times there's a story about Lord Howard at a private dinner at a think thank
A source said Howard’s message was “forget the obsession with UKIP, we need to target the collapse of the Lib Dem vote and one of the ways to do this is to face down the climate sceptics”.0 -
Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.BobaFett said:
It might worry the left, were it happening!AveryLP said:
It is the Tory vote firming up to the mid thirties and the Labour vote sliding down the wall like a slug on barbiturates which should worry the left.BobaFett said:
So what does it show then?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
The sign posts are clear.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
[Jeremiah 5:21]
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From the Sunday Times, Better Together don't have a pot to piss in.
BETTER TOGETHER, the cross-party campaign to save the Union, faces a financial crisis after failing to raise even half its £7m funding target.
With 200 days to go till the Scottish referendum, the group led by Alistair Darling says it fears public opinion could swing the nationalists’ way because it cannot match the yes camp’s war chest.0 -
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
It looks like this.BobaFett said:
So what does it show then?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.BobaFett said:
Is it pretty much dead flat? There's been no movement of any note, in any direction, for months on end.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a great graphic in the Sunday Times showing the VI trends with YouGov.Tykejohnno said:
Interesting the tories seem to have moved up a notch and to be sticking around 34% in some recent polls,when previous weeks below 34%.TheScreamingEagles said:Tonight's YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 34
Lab 38
LD 9
UKIP 12
Today’s YouGov poll for The Sunday Times shows the Lib Dems at just 9%, three points behind UKIP. Labour is on 38%, four points ahead of the Conservatives.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
The Screaming Eagles @TSEofPB now
YouGov VI trends in this parliament.
pic.twitter.com/gc2AvqcKXr
That's been flattened to high heaven.
Doesn't quite cover the actual detail but the very broadest of strokes are fair enough.
Compare with this UK polling report of YouGov VI.
(which for reasons best known to themselves they still leave out the kippers)
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Lord Howard seems to be doing a Matthew Paris as he gets older - ie. becoming more and more left-wing.0
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If the Conservatives want to purge their voting coalition of those with impure views on this week's theory of what voters want, I'm sure UKIP will appreciate the help.AndyJS said:Lord Howard seems to be doing a Matthew Paris as he gets older - ie. becoming more and more left-wing.
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Obama's somewhat lengthier response to Putin and record of their 90 minute telephone conversation:
President Obama spoke for 90 minutes this afternoon with President Putin of Russia about the situation in Ukraine. President Obama expressed his deep concern over Russia's clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, which is a breach of international law, including Russia’s obligations under the UN Charter, and of its 1997 military basing agreement with Ukraine, and which is inconsistent with the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the Helsinki Final Act. The United States condemns Russia’s military intervention into Ukrainian territory.
"The United States calls on Russia to de-escalate tensions by withdrawing its forces back to bases in Crimea and to refrain from any interference elsewhere in Ukraine. We have consistently said that we recognize Russia’s deep historic and cultural ties to Ukraine and the need to protect the rights of ethnic Russian and minority populations within Ukraine. The Ukrainian government has made clear its commitment to protect the rights of all Ukrainians and to abide by Ukraine’s international commitments, and we will continue to urge them to do so.
"President Obama told President Putin that, if Russia has concerns about the treatment of ethnic Russian and minority populations in Ukraine, the appropriate way to address them is peacefully through direct engagement with the government of Ukraine and through the dispatch of international observers under the auspices of the United Nations Security Council or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). As a member of both organizations, Russia would be able to participate. President Obama urged an immediate effort to initiate a dialogue between Russia and the Ukrainian government, with international facilitation, as appropriate. The United States is prepared to participate.
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Obama re. Putin & The Ukraine continued
"President Obama made clear that Russia’s continued violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity would negatively impact Russia’s standing in the international community. In the coming hours and days, the United States will urgently consult with allies and partners in the UN Security Council, the North Atlantic Council, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and with the signatories of the Budapest Memorandum. The United States will suspend upcoming participation in preparatory meetings for the G-8. Going forward, Russia’s continued violation of international law will lead to greater political and economic isolation.
"The people of Ukraine have the right to determine their own future. President Obama has directed his Administration to continue working urgently with international partners to provide support for the Ukrainian government, including urgent technical and financial assistance. Going forward, we will continue consulting closely with allies and partners, the Ukrainian government and the International Monetary Fund, to provide the new government with significant assistance to secure financial stability, to support needed reforms, to allow Ukraine to conduct successful elections, and to support Ukraine as it pursues a democratic future."0 -
Putin has everything to lose. He simply has to make gestures. The only gain he can make is if he can offer a serious olive branch at some key point. If he marches into Ukraine he'll scupper everything, but being seen as able to march into Ukraine is very helpful.AveryLP said:As near as you can get in diplomatic language to telling the leader of the western world to f*ck off:
The Chinese won't want Russian forces demonstrating any rights to an extended sphere of influence too. It's unhelpful for them because of the bordering states, but also because they really don't want to be seen to have any option in contested regions. Waving the flag in the vicinity of the Japanese islands is good, but actually doing something about them isn't.
However, it may be that these big issues aren't right. If in the personal files of the Ukrainian President there is stuff that would implicate senior Russian politicians then it won't be terribly surprising if they seek cover.
British politicians? Oh, yeah, they're over there, on that rock.0 -
The field work for the Opinium poll was 25th-28th. The new immigration statistics story seems to have hit the papers websites on the 27th. It would be interesting to know if there was any marked change before/after that.
http://news.opinium.co.uk/sites/news.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_25_02_2014.pdf0 -
"Canada recalls ambassador to Russia and suspends planning for G8 summit in Russian over Ukraine crisis."
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Assad must be getting a bit nervous about the Ukraine situation.0
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I have always expected Russia under Putin to use its forces to intervene in the Ukraine, but have been surprised at the speed with which Putin is moving (probably faster than the capabilities of his military but Y0kel is a better source for that assessment).Omnium said:
Putin has everything to lose. He simply has to make gestures. The only gain he can make is if he can offer a serious olive branch at some key point. If he marches into Ukraine he'll scupper everything, but being seen as able to march into Ukraine is very helpful.AveryLP said:As near as you can get in diplomatic language to telling the leader of the western world to f*ck off:
The Chinese won't want Russian forces demonstrating any rights to an extended sphere of influence too. It's unhelpful for them because of the bordering states, but also because they really don't want to be seen to have any option in contested regions. Waving the flag in the vicinity of the Japanese islands is good, but actually doing something about them isn't.
However, it may be that these big issues aren't right. If in the personal files of the Ukrainian President there is stuff that would implicate senior Russian politicians then it won't be terribly surprising if they seek cover.
British politicians? Oh, yeah, they're over there, on that rock.
I don't see much fighting taking place. Maybe a few token skirmishes, but there will be no contested war.
Once Putin has realised his military objectives he will recover diplomatic ground lost by being entirely reasonable in negotiating with the international community. From Putin's point of view, Russia has to maximise its negotiating power by first optimising his negotiating strength.
Possession of territory and frustrating the development of the new Ukrainian government's relationships with the West is all.
The problem of taking a hard line with Russia and Putin on the Ukraine is that once he is in we will want him out, which means offering concessions to induce withdrawal.
The West should have stood back and waited.
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Maybe time to view this The Day Today clip:
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It is an ominous sign when ITAR-TASS are publishing articles at 4:55 am (Moscow time).
And all the more ominous when the article published is an account of lawlessness in Kharkov with "extremists" attempting to occupy the region's administrative building.
The article talks of gunshots, explosions, automatic rifle fire, smashed windows, attempted "lynch trials" and a "peaceful rally in protection of the city that gathered 10 to 15 thousand people" but descended due to the actions of "far right extremists" into "bloody clashes that wounded 111 people".
Of course the beleaguered local Mayor is in despair and is indirectly calling on Moscow to help:
Kharkov Mayor Gennady Kernes also confirmed that “there is information about buses with extremists.” At the same time he demanded that law enforcement agencies should do their best to prevent Bandera extremists from entering the city.”
All this could have been written in advance or copied from Russia's copious historic files.
Sunrise will no doubt see these "buses with extremists" arrive and further unrest.
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Dealing with climate change has long been Conservative policy. It's a goal of conservatives everywhere, with the possible exception of the US, where politicians need a lot of money and politics is driven by industry lobbying in a way that most democracies aren't.AndyJS said:Lord Howard seems to be doing a Matthew Paris as he gets older - ie. becoming more and more left-wing.
As far as the political actual strategy goes, it should be fairly obvious that a lot of the swing voters in 2015 will be people who voted LibDem in 2010. Some of them are left-wingers who went LibDem over Iraq etc and they may be hopeless for the Tories, but a fair few will be centrist people who got caught up in the Cleggasm. These people should be winnable by Con, and Cameron originally had a strategy to win them over, which he'd probably have stuck to if it they didn't have those crazy leadership rules that meant he had to be looking over his shoulder at the fringes of his party the whole time.
Or maybe instead of "had" a strategy to win the centrists over, we should say, Cameron originally _was_ a strategy to win them over. Michael Howard's strategy.0
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