Undefined discussion subject.

The_Taxman said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1118623958453096450?s=20

Will Hutton makes me laugh, I always come to the conclusion he has terrible judgement. Talk about Change UK being dead after one poll and the campaign not even being really started is wide of the mark. He is a Labour supporter through and through. He wants Change UK to fail but I have a feeling it may do a lot better than some would give credence at this time.

At the moment YouGov has 19% of 2017 Labour voters backing the LDs and 16% the Greens but only 9% CUK if Labour fail to back EUref2 (not much more than the 4% of 2017 Tories who will vote CUK)

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vdqicng3bz/PeoplesVote_190416_EUElections_w.pdf

isam said:

Foxy said:

isam said:

Foxy said:

DavidL said:

4-2 City. What a game.

Spurs being Spursey...

13/2 To Qualify not the worst bet IMO

Perhaps not, but Man City do look the more likely to score next.

I think you just disagree with me now for the sake of it

(This is wide open for you to reply "I wasn't disagreeing" which technically, you weren't!)

It was a good tip, but events overtook me taking it!

and Man City did look the more likely to score.

nico67 said:

Apparently another GE poll puts the Tories on 23% and Labour 33% with the Brexit Party on 14% .

Of course once Brexit is done this will make a very big difference .

Don't tease me like this without providing a source!

EDIT: Can't find any trace of this poll

HYUFD said:

The_Taxman said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1118623958453096450?s=20

Will Hutton makes me laugh, I always come to the conclusion he has terrible judgement. Talk about Change UK being dead after one poll and the campaign not even being really started is wide of the mark. He is a Labour supporter through and through. He wants Change UK to fail but I have a feeling it may do a lot better than some would give credence at this time.

At the moment YouGov has 19% of 2017 Labour voters backing the LDs and 16% the Greens but only 9% CUK if Labour fail to back EUref2 (not much more than the 4% of 2017 Tories who will vote CUK)

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vdqicng3bz/PeoplesVote_190416_EUElections_w.pdf

Indeed 9% of 2017 Labour voters will vote for the Brexit Party, the same as would vote for CUK even if Corbyn does not commit to a People's Vote

The_Taxman said:

HYUFD said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/accidentalhurt/status/1118357092954513409

The Bill Gates Foundation has $50 billion of assets to tackle global health problems and extreme poverty

Some might say that Gates has the better idea of what will contribute to the development of society in the long run. Gates initiative may open the way for a extremely rare individual with outstanding intelligence to live long enough to change the world comprehensively in some positive way. With a population of 7 billion and rising the chances of an exceptional individual being born increases as every second passes. In contrast preservation of the past is important but it is a shame that social programmes do not achieve such widespread support. Gates has the right idea and he could easily be the wealthiest person on the planet if he had not decided to spread his wealth around a bit.

While it is laudable for Gates and Buffet to spread their money around, they did extract it from the workers in the first place. It is legitimate to ask why this system of grossly unequal distribution of wealth is better than letting the workers spend the money themselves. After all we often hear Tories make much the same argument about governments and tax payers.

DecrepitJohnL said:

Charles said:

HYUFD said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/accidentalhurt/status/1118357092954513409

The Bill Gates Foundation has $50 billion of assets to tackle global health problems and extreme poverty

It’s the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Melinda deserves huge credit for exciting her husband about philanthropy

Otoh it was Melinda who invented that bloody paperclip.

Significant if true. Was it really?

Gallowgate

You can just smell the fear about the Tiggers.

It really is quite amusing.

One for polling fans

https://twitter.com/michael_heaver/status/1118626197867507714?s=21

Drutt said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

Charles said:

HYUFD said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/accidentalhurt/status/1118357092954513409

The Bill Gates Foundation has $50 billion of assets to tackle global health problems and extreme poverty

It’s the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Melinda deserves huge credit for exciting her husband about philanthropy

Otoh it was Melinda who invented that bloody paperclip.

Significant if true. Was it really?

Can confirm.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/04/melinda-gates-answers-the-proust-questionnaire

_Anazina_ said:

Gallowgate

You can just smell the fear about the Tiggers.

It really is quite amusing.

The Tiggers? Aren't they on about 7% behind the LDs and Greens.

Deleted: beaten to the punch.

isam said:

Danny565 said:

Danny565 said:

nico67 said:

Apparently another GE poll puts the Tories on 23% and Labour 33% with the Brexit Party on 14% .

Of course once Brexit is done this will make a very big difference .

Don't tease me like this without providing a source!

EDIT: Can't find any trace of this poll

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1118626197867507714

Have no idea how reliable this guy is.

The man behind Westmonster

Commissioned by a pro-Brexit pressure group apparently, so would make sense they heard of it first.

rottenborough said:

Buttigieg and Biden now almost at cross over.

Insanity. Buttigieg is equal 5th in the latest poll.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

_Anazina_ said:

Gallowgate

You can just smell the fear about the Tiggers.

It really is quite amusing.

Among whom? So far they seem to be nibbling from Con/Lab/LD is similar proportions, about 2% each. They make the Brexit Party's task of coming first a bit easier, but otherwise they're a bit meh so far.

But I did think Farage's name would work - people didn't vote UKIP because they'd studied their programme or liked theiur team - it was always mainly a vehicle for him.

Foxy said:

The_Taxman said:

HYUFD said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/accidentalhurt/status/1118357092954513409

The Bill Gates Foundation has $50 billion of assets to tackle global health problems and extreme poverty

Some might say that Gates has the better idea of what will contribute to the development of society in the long run. Gates initiative may open the way for a extremely rare individual with outstanding intelligence to live long enough to change the world comprehensively in some positive way. With a population of 7 billion and rising the chances of an exceptional individual being born increases as every second passes. In contrast preservation of the past is important but it is a shame that social programmes do not achieve such widespread support. Gates has the right idea and he could easily be the wealthiest person on the planet if he had not decided to spread his wealth around a bit.

While it is laudable for Gates and Buffet to spread their money around, they did extract it from the workers in the first place. It is legitimate to ask why this system of grossly unequal distribution of wealth is better than letting the workers spend the money themselves. After all we often hear Tories make much the same argument about governments and tax payers.

I would say that this goes back to the old argument of ownership, extremely rich people tend to make their money through the appreciation of assets rather than earning money. I am talking people like Gates etc here worth over a billion, his shares in Microsoft are where he makes his money not from the executive income of being chief executive (I think he stepped down from that a long time ago). I can see where people come from in opposing the transfer of tens of billions of pounds from one generation to the next as this creates an advantage for a few with no gain for society and arguably rich children do not contribute anything to society if it is inherited.


Personally speaking I feel if someone has the intellectual capacity to create vast wealth then they should keep most of it in their life time and spend it how they seem fit as they may have created a business or product that is unbeatable by rivals. However I do feel they should leave significant proportions of wealth at the end of their life to enhance our understanding of science, the earth or improving the welfare of other individuals. The problem with trying to tax it more highly is that people will always try and get around paying the tax. In this age that means off-shoring and technically running it from a more tax efficient base or on an individual basis finding a low tax country to live in and changing the status of the individuals domiciled country.

Pulpstar said:

Hmm if the Tories haven't got some form of Brexit over the line by the time of the next GE (And i'm not sure they will), I can see a Labour majority on ~ 30% as the Tory vote gets carved up by the Brexit party.

Dunno; if Farage really romps home in the likes of Ashfield and Stoke, I could see enough Labour MPs taking fright and backing May's deal (even though Corbyn won't have anything to do with it).

NickPalmer said:

_Anazina_ said:

Gallowgate

You can just smell the fear about the Tiggers.

It really is quite amusing.

Among whom? So far they seem to be nibbling from Con/Lab/LD is similar proportions, about 2% each. They make the Brexit Party's task of coming first a bit easier, but otherwise they're a bit meh so far.

But I did think Farage's name would work - people didn't vote UKIP because they'd studied their programme or liked theiur team - it was always mainly a vehicle for him.

NickPalmer said:

_Anazina_ said:

Gallowgate

You can just smell the fear about the Tiggers.

It really is quite amusing.

Among whom? So far they seem to be nibbling from Con/Lab/LD is similar proportions, about 2% each. They make the Brexit Party's task of coming first a bit easier, but otherwise they're a bit meh so far.

But I did think Farage's name would work - people didn't vote UKIP because they'd studied their programme or liked theiur team - it was always mainly a vehicle for him.

A lot of CHUKs fate is in the hands of others. If an ERG coup at the Tories happens then the couple of Tory MEP defections this week could be followed by an avalunche. Similarly if the rumours of a Momentum Lexiteer fix up on the Labour selections, I could see something similar from Labour.

cHUM have had a rather patchy start, but they may well become a bit more sure footed. Like the Brexit party they are not distracted by the Locals.

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

May is finished.

Recidivist said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

This poll is exactly the Tory nightmare that Cameron called the referendum to avoid.

It would take a heart of stone...

The Tory Party promised to deliver the referendum outcome, and then finds its support cratering when it doesn’t?

Shocking. Truly shocking.

Recidivist said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

This poll is exactly the Tory nightmare that Cameron called the referendum to avoid.

Appoint a leader who will work with Nige to deliver on the referendum 👍🏻

Recidivist said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

This poll is exactly the Tory nightmare that Cameron called the referendum to avoid.

Cameron in 2015 only achieved for the Tories 36% of the vote IIRC. He might as well not have bothered promising a referendum as I suspect those who were going to vote for UKIP in 2015 were always going to vote for them anyway. The Tories won a majority by targeting LD seats not by promising a referendum IMO. I think Cameron's strategy and ground game were curiously unaligned if you think about it!

Gallowgate said:

So what’s the latest with this Con EGM coup attempt?

😂

isam said:

Recidivist said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

This poll is exactly the Tory nightmare that Cameron called the referendum to avoid.

Appoint a leader who will work with Nige to deliver on the referendum 👍🏻

I think the problem with Brexit is project management not politics.

AndyJS said:

I still think the Tories could draw level with Labour at the Euros. They could both get around 20%.

I see what you did there...

Anyway, who gives a fuck about politics? Just watched the best match I have ever seen with my young Spurs-supporting son, having attended the first leg with him. That’s why football is the best game in the world, I suppose. I’m more cricket inclined, but you can’t really beat a great football match.

The_Taxman said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1118623958453096450?s=20

Will Hutton makes me laugh, I always come to the conclusion he has terrible judgement. Talk about Change UK being dead after one poll and the campaign not even being really started is wide of the mark. He is a Labour supporter through and through. He wants Change UK to fail but I have a feeling it may do a lot better than some would give credence at this time.

I think it's going to do worse. There's an outside chance they'll do appallingly badly. They haven't put a foot right since day one.

viewcode said:

Foxy said:

While it is laudable for Gates...to spread their money around, they did extract it from the workers in the first place. It is legitimate to ask why this system of grossly unequal distribution of wealth is better than letting the workers spend the money themselves...

No, Gates didn't "extract it from the workers in the first place". Although he didn't invent MS-DOS or the other stuff, he put it together and pointed it in the right direction, and that's bloody difficult. If him, Jobs and the others hadn't existed, computer development might have gone in very different directions. Look at how easily the UK lost their pre-eminence in computing. The entrepreneur is an essential part of the process.

Microsoft have exploited their position for years, and all their riches comes from the charges that they have made on their often substandard software. Ultimately that money comes from the consumers/workers and it is very legitimate to ask whether they could have spent the money better themselves. Profits are like taxes, they do not arise from thin air, they come from all of our pockets.

I am not completely opposed to capitalism, but whether the excessive rewards that our new aristocracy pay themselves from our pockets are deserved is a very reasonable question.

david_herdson said:

Danny565 said:

nico67 said:

Apparently another GE poll puts the Tories on 23% and Labour 33% with the Brexit Party on 14% .

Of course once Brexit is done this will make a very big difference .

Don't tease me like this without providing a source!

EDIT: Can't find any trace of this poll

Apparently it's on one of the front pages for tomorrow. Elections Maps is quoting it, and that's usually reliable

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1118643463380185088

Noise. It will all settle down eventually. The BXP will spunk too early and achieve the cube root of fuck all in any general election.

RoyalBlue said:

The Tory Party promised to deliver the referendum outcome, and then finds its support cratering when it doesn’t?

Shocking. Truly shocking.

Indeed. Vote for us, the party of Brexit. Yes, the ones too incompetent and divided to implement it...

david_herdson said:

Recidivist said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

This poll is exactly the Tory nightmare that Cameron called the referendum to avoid.

Yes, well if the ERG Ultras had voted for Brexit when they had the chance, that wouldn't have been an issue.

Of course, it's not a problem for them: they can defect to Farage without difficulty.

The blame lays with the arch Eurosceptics and the arch Europhiles.

Thanks to them, we may be broken in two.

https://twitter.com/326pols/status/1118567055618342912?s=21

AndyJS said:

Have the Brexit Party said they would stand at a general election?

Farage said yes if Brexit isn't delivered. Winter is coming

ExiledInScotland said:

AndyJS said:

Have the Brexit Party said they would stand at a general election?

Farage said yes if Brexit isn't delivered. Winter is coming

Another laughing stock to keep everyone in shit and giggles.

_Anazina_ said:

_Anazina_ said:

https://twitter.com/326pols/status/1118567055618342912?s=21

The Kippers have faded to nothing. The Brexits will eventually do the same.

...and yet UKIP still have one party below them 😂🤣😂

_Anazina_ said:

ExiledInScotland said:

AndyJS said:

Have the Brexit Party said they would stand at a general election?

Farage said yes if Brexit isn't delivered. Winter is coming

Another laughing stock to keep everyone in shit and giggles.

You sound rattled.

RoyalBlue said:

david_herdson said:

Recidivist said:

Danny565 said:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1118639049051377665

First double-digit Labour lead since January 2014.

This poll is exactly the Tory nightmare that Cameron called the referendum to avoid.

Yes, well if the ERG Ultras had voted for Brexit when they had the chance, that wouldn't have been an issue.

Of course, it's not a problem for them: they can defect to Farage without difficulty.

The blame lays with the arch Eurosceptics and the arch Europhiles.

Thanks to them, we may be broken in two.

Also, Theresa May and her two gatekeepers. If she'd won the 100+ majority that was there for the taking, neither the DUP nor the ERG ultras would have stopped Brexit.

david_herdson said:

_Anazina_ said:

david_herdson said:

Danny565 said:

nico67 said:

Apparently another GE poll puts the Tories on 23% and Labour 33% with the Brexit Party on 14% .

Of course once Brexit is done this will make a very big difference .

Don't tease me like this without providing a source!

EDIT: Can't find any trace of this poll

Apparently it's on one of the front pages for tomorrow. Elections Maps is quoting it, and that's usually reliable

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1118643463380185088

Noise. It will all settle down eventually. The BXP will spunk too early and achieve the cube root of fuck all in any general election.

No, I don't think so. Not unless Brexit is delivered and if there's a GE this year anyway.

The Brexit Party is well on course to win the European elections, which alone will give them 12 months of publicity and a frequent ticket to the top table of Question Time and so on. It will solidify their GE VI in double-figures (perhaps *well* into double figures) and could well finally kill off what's left of UKIP, which will be drained of money, supporters, activists and elected representatives.

Chill out. We are always told to fear the far right.

Every time they collapse, having proved themselves to be thick racist idiots.

The ‘BXP’ will be no different.

Foxy said:

_Anazina_ said:

david_herdson said:

Danny565 said:

nico67 said:

Apparently another GE poll puts the Tories on 23% and Labour 33% with the Brexit Party on 14% .

Of course once Brexit is done this will make a very big difference .

Don't tease me like this without providing a source!

EDIT: Can't find any trace of this poll

Apparently it's on one of the front pages for tomorrow. Elections Maps is quoting it, and that's usually reliable

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1118643463380185088

Noise. It will all settle down eventually. The BXP will spunk too early and achieve the cube root of fuck all in any general election.

Quite obviously so in terms of FPTP seats, but could give Labour a working majority, so not fuck all.

On current polling the Brexit Party could well pick up a number of seats like Thurrock and Thanet South, Labour is also not going to get a working majority polling worse than Kinnock 1992 as they are on tonight's polling, when it comes to the crunch at a general election provided we have left the EU by then most of those Brexit Party voters will return to the Tories and if we have left the EU without Labour backing EUref2 then Labour Remainers could drift to the LDs, the Greens or CUK

brokenwheel said:

_Anazina_ said:

ExiledInScotland said:

AndyJS said:

Have the Brexit Party said they would stand at a general election?

Farage said yes if Brexit isn't delivered. Winter is coming

Another laughing stock to keep everyone in shit and giggles.

You sound rattled.

LOL

Is may the worst leader of a major uk political party ever?

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1118642347984683009?s=20

A daily YouGov tracker poll? It's been a while.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Is may the worst leader of a major uk political party ever?

No.

_Anazina_ said:

_Anazina_ said:

https://twitter.com/326pols/status/1118567055618342912?s=21

The Kippers have faded to nothing. The Brexits will eventually do the same.

That's a strange way to look at what is happening.

_Anazina_ said:

ExiledInScotland said:

_Anazina_ said:

ExiledInScotland said:

AndyJS said:

Have the Brexit Party said they would stand at a general election?

Farage said yes if Brexit isn't delivered. Winter is coming

Another laughing stock to keep everyone in shit and giggles.

Remember what John Curtice said about Brexit not being Left v Right. Farage is running with that saying its Right vs Wrong. A plague on the poliitical establishment. Very Trump. I don't find it as funny as you do.

Anything the risible Farage gets involved in is inherently laughable. The man is a clown.

...and also the most successful UK politician of his generation, possibly the most successful of in the Western world.

isam said:

_Anazina_ said:

_Anazina_ said:

https://twitter.com/326pols/status/1118567055618342912?s=21

The Kippers have faded to nothing. The Brexits will eventually do the same.

...and yet UKIP still have one party below them 😂🤣😂

Chuka Khan't. Chuka Khan't. Chuka Khan't let me D'Hondt ya, let me D'Hondt Chuka Khan't, it's all I wanna do, Chuka Khan't.

...

OblitusSumMe said:

_Anazina_ said:

_Anazina_ said:

https://twitter.com/326pols/status/1118567055618342912?s=21

The Kippers have faded to nothing. The Brexits will eventually do the same.

That's a strange way to look at what is happening.

Not really.

viewcode said:

isam said:

_Anazina_ said:

_Anazina_ said:

https://twitter.com/326pols/status/1118567055618342912?s=21

The Kippers have faded to nothing. The Brexits will eventually do the same.

...and yet UKIP still have one party below them 😂🤣😂

Chuka Khan't. Chuka Khan't. Chuka Khan't let me D'Hondt ya, let me D'Hondt Chuka Khan't, it's all I wanna do, Chuka Khan't.

Voters are trash