I think the biggest publicity will go to the winner and on today's poll that would be fairly clear. The public seem to be determined that this Brexit thing be done or damn the lot of you. Both mainstream parties could be badly damaged unless the issue is dealt with. I suspect if May's agreement or something close to it was passed most people might start to move on. Otherwise British politics will remain in an awful mess.
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
Peru's two-time president Alan García dies after shooting himself as police came to arrest him
Wow.
That is quite a turn up. I don't know much about Peru - is that likely to cause riots?
It is to do with the Brazil car wash scandal. He was being arrested for taking bribes like a lot of the Brazilian politicians from construction companies.
Peru's two-time president Alan García dies after shooting himself as police came to arrest him
Wow.
That is quite a turn up. I don't know much about Peru - is that likely to cause riots?
It is to do with the Brazil car wash scandal. He was being arrested for taking bribes like a lot of the Brazilian politicians from construction companies.
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
I'm not sure it would count. I've seen a heart drawn and that was counted because "the intention was clear" - not so sure about your proposed drawing.
Personally I would leave the Tories and Labour out of any calculations. I’m more interested in UKIP+Brexit Party+DUP vs LD, TIG, Green, PC, SNP & others
We got a today a YouGov poll on the Euro elections which had parties baking brexit, when aggregated with a small lead over the parties of remain.
Someone left a Brexit out in the rain, and I don't think that I can take it, 'cos it took so long to bake it, and we'll never have that recipe again ... oh no!
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
It wouldn't necessarily count. A vote is only valid if there is a mark of clear [positive] intent. A cock and balls can easily (would probably) be considered a negative comment towards the party in question so not a mark of support and so I suspect would be counted as spoiled.
An 'X' across the entire ballot, for example, doesn't count for whichever candidate / party happened to be at the intersection (as would be the case for an X whose legs crossed 2/3 rows); it's viewed as a vote against all the candidates.
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
I'm not sure it would count. I've seen a heart drawn and that was counted because "the intention was clear" - not so sure about your proposed drawing.
I think the biggest publicity will go to the winner and on today's poll that would be fairly clear. The public seem to be determined that this Brexit thing be done or damn the lot of you. Both mainstream parties could be badly damaged unless the issue is dealt with. I suspect if May's agreement or something close to it was passed most people might start to move on. Otherwise British politics will remain in an awful mess.
Personally, I object to politicians being protested at their homes, whether Jezza or JRM. Have some respect for their private lives and protest at public events only.
You know, these European Parliament election thingys are fun. Can we keep them after we leave?
You jest but there is something in this. Keep the elections, plus free movement of people, common standards around workers' rights, the environment, consumer protection, access to the ECJ and the ECHR, and also - pushing our luck a bit here - retain all of the excellent trade deals.
Passports, however, the darkest of dark blue, almost black, and UK only on the cover - therefore any charge of BINO rendered laughable.
We got a today a YouGov poll on the Euro elections which had parties baking brexit, when aggregated with a small lead over the parties of remain.
Someone left a Brexit out in the rain, and I don't think that I can take it, 'cos it took so long to bake it, and we'll never have that recipe again ... oh no!
"I've served in public office since 2005. I do my best to contribute to the success of my community, of my state and now of my country," O'Rourke, a former El Paso city council member and Texas congressman said at an event at the University of Virginia...
Interesting spat on Twitter from Hugo Rifkind, arguing that the EU elections (if they happen) are a defacto referendum on Brexit, and bemoaning the fact that one party will have Brexit on the ballot paper, and no party or parties will have not-Brexit on the ballot paper.
Personally, I object to politicians being protested at their homes, whether Jezza or JRM. Have some respect for their private lives and protest at public events only.
Agree - although Labour voters are the most sympathetic to the protesters.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
In other news, the world's third largest democracy looks like its on-track to re-elect its current president - rejecting his ex-military 'Nationalist Strongman' opponent:
Interesting spat on Twitter from Hugo Rifkind, arguing that the EU elections (if they happen) are a defacto referendum on Brexit, and bemoaning the fact that one party will have Brexit on the ballot paper, and no party or parties will have not-Brexit on the ballot paper.
Is the noble lord still a member of the Conservative party?
And if so can we expect him to be slung out imminently?
Voting for Brexit in the Euros would strip out about 80% of the Tory members.....
But a parliamentarian openly advocating support for a rival party is on a different level. In Labour - even Corbyn's Labour - that would mean instant expulsion.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
Interesting spat on Twitter from Hugo Rifkind, arguing that the EU elections (if they happen) are a defacto referendum on Brexit, and bemoaning the fact that one party will have Brexit on the ballot paper, and no party or parties will have not-Brexit on the ballot paper.
Is the noble lord still a member of the Conservative party?
And if so can we expect him to be slung out imminently?
Voting for Brexit in the Euros would strip out about 80% of the Tory members.....
But a parliamentarian openly advocating support for a rival party is on a different level. In Labour - even Corbyn's Labour - that would mean instant expulsion.
Retired parliamentarian, if that makes a difference.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
Is the noble lord still a member of the Conservative party?
And if so can we expect him to be slung out imminently?
Voting for Brexit in the Euros would strip out about 80% of the Tory members.....
But a parliamentarian openly advocating support for a rival party is on a different level. In Labour - even Corbyn's Labour - that would mean instant expulsion.
Ah, but he hasn't quite done that. "If" is doing a lot of work there.
Is the noble lord still a member of the Conservative party?
And if so can we expect him to be slung out imminently?
Voting for Brexit in the Euros would strip out about 80% of the Tory members.....
But a parliamentarian openly advocating support for a rival party is on a different level. In Labour - even Corbyn's Labour - that would mean instant expulsion.
Retired parliamentarian, if that makes a difference.
I would not have thought his opinion counts for very much these days. Its not like he spends much time in the UK anyway! A great advert for the Brexit party "I don't pay tax in the UK or live there most of the time!"
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
Is the noble lord still a member of the Conservative party?
And if so can we expect him to be slung out imminently?
Voting for Brexit in the Euros would strip out about 80% of the Tory members.....
But a parliamentarian openly advocating support for a rival party is on a different level. In Labour - even Corbyn's Labour - that would mean instant expulsion.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
For what election? For the locals happy to vote Tory to kick out the incompetent Labour leadership.
For the EU's probably Labour as I don't want Nigel to win and the other option is split x ways with the Lib Dems / Tig / Greens all standing
Putting the figures into Baxter (with Brexit in place of UKIP) gives
Brexit Party 290 Labour 244 SNP 53 Lib Dem 35 Conservative 4.
The four would presumably be Chris Chope, Mark Francois, Priti Patel, and John Redwood
Hey that would be cool. Then you could have an 'Independents' Government - Brexit and SNP in coalition. Now that Farage's party no longer have 'UK' in their name I am sure they will be happy to do a deal for Scottish Independence as soon as possible.
Edit. Aren't eco warriors allowed to go to public school?
I can't see how his schooling is relevant, but I think it is highly relevant he spends his life globe-trotting (unless he does it all by canoe). Charges of utter hypocrisy seem justified.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
For what election? For the locals happy to vote Tory to kick out the incompetent Labour leadership.
For the EU's probably Labour as I don't want Nigel to win and the other option is split x ways with the Lib Dems / Tig / Greens all standing
For a General Election - not a sodden clue...
For the locals yes I will vote Cons and for the EUs I will vote Cons because I am a Cons supporter. There must be little more barmy than voting for the candidate of a party that wants to abolish the candidate's job but these are special times.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
On topic, I think the only way you can read anything into the EU elections is if one of the 'issue' parties - either CUK or Brexit - get more than 50% odd of the vote on their own. And I say that fully believing that the Brexit Party will be the clear winners in terms of vote share and seats. But I still think it is meaningless as a measure of what people think about Brexit itself.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It is actually a rather good piece of prose, measured, clear and careful. It is worth a bit of time for those who have it.
Loved the section where the Sheriff basically says "Campbell can dish it out but can't take it"!
What normally happens on Costs in such cases?
The action has failed and Kezia has been assoilzied (ie acquitted). I would expect her to be looking for her expenses. On the other hand the comments were found to be wrong and defamatory. I would guess some sort of modified expenses to the defender.
On topic, I think the only way you can read anything into the EU elections is if one of the 'issue' parties - either CUK or Brexit - get more than 50% odd of the vote on their own. And I say that fully believing that the Brexit Party will be the clear winners in terms of vote share and seats. But I still think it is meaningless as a measure of what people think about Brexit itself.
It won't be meaningless in terms of it showing that people really, really care about Brexit. Enough to vote for a wanker like Farage to make a point.....
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
Why? As a Remain thing?
I cannot vote Tory as that would be an endorsement of their Brexit strategy, they have lost the tag of being a competent government in my eyes. I seek to punish them and to be honest they have delivered very little for me personally, philosophically I may be closer to them but their period in office needs to be brought to an end as does this obsession with Europe.
I cannot vote for Labour led by Corbyn and so my vote would go to Change UK in the European elections unless some sort of joint arrangement occurs with the LD. In local elections the LD looks like the only choice as Change UK to my knowledge don't have candidates. I am not going to vote Tory or Labour as this Brexit madness should be halted as the best deal is being in the EU. So Brexit is a main driver but the sheer incompetence of Tories and Labour mean I have to look for protest vehicles.
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Surrey are officially in a worse mess than the Conservative Party. 80-8.
You know, these European Parliament election thingys are fun. Can we keep them after we leave?
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
That is quite a turn up. I don't know much about Peru - is that likely to cause riots?
No idea what that leads to.
*innocent face*
Surrey all out 88, lose by 147 runs.
Chris Dent on his own scored more runs than Surrey's top eight.
Support/Oppose:
Con: 20 : 74
Lab: 52 : 36
Leave: 24 : 67
Remain: 49 : 40
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=daily_questions&utm_campaign=question_1#/survey/61935ede-60f6-11e9-80be-1b0957da78b7/question/89be445c-60f6-11e9-95d1-2f75594bdb38/age
Someone left a Brexit out in the rain, and I don't think that I can take it, 'cos it took so long to bake it, and we'll never have that recipe again ... oh no!
Spot on. Thought it was a typo at first.
An 'X' across the entire ballot, for example, doesn't count for whichever candidate / party happened to be at the intersection (as would be the case for an X whose legs crossed 2/3 rows); it's viewed as a vote against all the candidates.
36 days to take back control of Brexit !
Brexit Party 290
Labour 244
SNP 53
Lib Dem 35
Conservative 4.
The four would presumably be Chris Chope, Mark Francois, Priti Patel, and John Redwood
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1118542412618567680
And if so can we expect him to be slung out imminently?
Passports, however, the darkest of dark blue, almost black, and UK only on the cover - therefore any charge of BINO rendered laughable.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/439299-orourke-responds-to-criticism-of-charitable-contributions
Democratic presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke on Tuesday evening responded to criticism about the small amount of charitable donations (c. 0.3% of income) reported on his tax returns, saying that he contributes by serving in public office.
"I've served in public office since 2005. I do my best to contribute to the success of my community, of my state and now of my country," O'Rourke, a former El Paso city council member and Texas congressman said at an event at the University of Virginia...
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1118548443423760390
Either that or his Mother chose his outfit.
I see Ballance is in the runs again...
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
https://twitter.com/business/status/1118430047604498437
https://www.nfl.com/uk?campaign=sp-uk-uk-em-em-1307316
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/piers-robinson_uk_5cb5d5b5e4b082aab08c953f?hya
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6931767/Moment-Extinction-Rebellion-activist-storms-Sky-interview.html
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1118551879921864705
Edit. Aren't eco warriors allowed to go to public school?
For the EU's probably Labour as I don't want Nigel to win and the other option is split x ways with the Lib Dems / Tig / Greens all standing
For a General Election - not a sodden clue...
That was all a joke by the way.
Next up 'Jeremy'......(Thorpe, Clarkson.....fill in your own....
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This one still has legs on the other side too. Asked if he can appeal:
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It is actually a rather good piece of prose, measured, clear and careful. It is worth a bit of time for those who have it.
https://twitter.com/jlc_uk/status/1118484672244219910?s=21
GE? Depends who is leader of the party.
What normally happens on Costs in such cases?
Or a Mark.
We must stop the births of any more Piers being registered. Can we unite across the political divide on this one?
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or
b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or
c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
Expenses could be £100K a side.
I cannot vote for Labour led by Corbyn and so my vote would go to Change UK in the European elections unless some sort of joint arrangement occurs with the LD. In local elections the LD looks like the only choice as Change UK to my knowledge don't have candidates. I am not going to vote Tory or Labour as this Brexit madness should be halted as the best deal is being in the EU. So Brexit is a main driver but the sheer incompetence of Tories and Labour mean I have to look for protest vehicles.