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Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.0 -
Would extending the transition period (not A50) count as a changed deal?0
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Only with SNP support and of course PM Corbyn leads to BINOAlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.0 -
How about a formal indicative votes process with the deal as merely one of the optionsNo_Offence_Alan said:Would extending the transition period (not A50) count as a changed deal?
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So how many of the ERG would VONC their own government if Mrs May went for a longish extension?
More than a dozen, fewer than 20 is my view.0 -
No Labour MP stood on a platform of supporting the Prime Minister. That was the other lot. No Labour MP will be punished because the Prime Minister cannot persuade even her own Cabinet she is right.Marco1 said:Numerous Labour MPs are breaking their Manifesto promises ? Don't they think they will be punished for that by the Voters, by history as well as each morning when they look in the mirror to wonder where their dignity is ?
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another_richard said:
How does that sort out the ERG nutters, the self-obsessed posturers and Grieve's mendacity gang ?DavidL said:
1. Remove May.another_richard said:
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.DavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important.
3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all.
4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
How do you get MPs who are willing to do proper preparation and show attention to detail rather than spouting crap on twatter ?
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)0 -
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.0 -
Indeed.Mortimer said:
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.0 -
It is a shame Isabel has had her problems because she is a naturally insightful journalist.bookseller said:another_richard said:
How does that sort out the ERG nutters, the self-obsessed posturers and Grieve's mendacity gang ?DavidL said:
1. Remove May.another_richard said:
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.DavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important.
3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all.
4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
How do you get MPs who are willing to do proper preparation and show attention to detail rather than spouting crap on twatter ?
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)0 -
I wonder how many of those would still expect to be Conservative candidates at the subsequent GE.TheScreamingEagles said:So how many of the ERG would VONC their own government if Mrs May went for a longish extension?
More than a dozen, fewer than 20 is my view.0 -
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.DavidL said:
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.SeanT said:
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K TremayneDavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.0 -
Truly, every cloud has a silver lining.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
Yes, the death cult is intensifying.another_richard said:
Indeed.Mortimer said:
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.0 -
Agreed. And her 'Age of Denial' podcast series is superb.Norm said:
It is a shame Isabel has had her problems because she is a naturally insightful journalist.bookseller said:another_richard said:
How does that sort out the ERG nutters, the self-obsessed posturers and Grieve's mendacity gang ?DavidL said:
1. Remove May.another_richard said:
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.DavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important.
3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all.
4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
How do you get MPs who are willing to do proper preparation and show attention to detail rather than spouting crap on twatter ?
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)0 -
Too many words. A request for a short extension while she pops off for a few weeks well deserved holiday should do it.Danny565 said:
To be honest, I can see May doing something like that. MPs should've added a clause to last week's vote which would require May to put her letter requesting an extension to a vote in Parliament (with the opportunity to amend the wording of the letter), before sending it.Philip_Thompson said:I think May's best chance now to secure a deal is perversely to have the EU reject an extension request. If I was May I would be rather Macchiavellian and given an unappealing request.
Dear Mr Tusk,
I am writing to you to request an extension to the UK's article 50 period, because Parliament has requested I do so. Parliament is unable to make up its mind on how to proceed so we need more time to continue these discussions. Please grant the UK an extension in order to provide time to re-open the Withdrawal Agreement and remove the backstop, or otherwise allow Parliament to continue to debate whether or not to ratify the Agreement.
At this time I do not foresee any other changes and I have no plans to change anything further other than to request more time.
With regards,
Theresa May,
10 Downing Street.0 -
My MP said as much at a social on Saturday. She was concerned prospective councillors standing on May 2nd might pay the price for Brexit failure.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
If the EU wants a reason for an extension, May should answer " To find my replacement."
She is the problem. Her constant quest to find a middle position to keep the Tories together.
They need a leadership election, with blood on the floor, to decide what their position is. On far more than Brexit too.
If this means opposition then so be it.0 -
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No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.0 -
It depends who loses the blame game. If the EU simply says No to any extension, the government may not lose it.Peter_the_Punter said:
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.0 -
What an utter horse turd that man is.-1
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"“We have to have all our procedures completed one hour before midnight Brussels time [11pm UK time]”, the diplomat said. “But everybody prefers to do it the formal way at the European council but from a legal point of view we have to say ‘yes’ a little bit before, not one minute to midnight. Everybody would prefer to have clarity as soon as possible on this because there will be a lot of consequences.”"eek said:
Sounds like a Sky Sports Brexit transfer day thriller...has the paperwork arrived in time? Over to Jim White...0 -
I'm beginning to suspect that they will be learning why the Maybot 3000 keeps kicking the can down the road and the bomb site that was previously the HoC can't make up its mind, despite the most sophisticated algorithms.rcs1000 said:
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.DavidL said:
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.SeanT said:
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K TremayneDavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.0 -
She would have lost anyway:
Guardian:The Democratic Unionist party is unlikely to strike an agreement with Theresa May’s government to support the current withdrawal deal before Thursday’s crunch meeting with EU leaders, sources said on Monday.-1 -
'It started in Bruxelles' will be as unsuccessful as 'It started in America.'Sean_F said:
It depends who loses the blame game. If the EU simply says No to any extension, the government may not lose it.Peter_the_Punter said:
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
The likes of Gove saying No Deal was Project Fear, we hold all the cards will be Leavers 'We abolished boom and bust.'0 -
She may have to have a GE purely so she can fill in the awkward pause when they ask her what the extension is actually for.dixiedean said:If the EU wants a reason for an extension, May should answer " To find my replacement."
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But only for England and Wales; Scotland and NI have parachutes.Peter_the_Punter said:
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.0 -
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Depends on how much chaos and how quickly it is stopped.Peter_the_Punter said:
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
A couple of days of chaos might lead to some quick changes of mind.
That's a possibility not a prediction - I've no idea what is going to happen.0 -
Completely off topic for anyone who fancies witnessing something even more precarious than the vicissitudes of Brexit, the documentary FREE SOLO is excellent viewing.
It's not the most comfy watch as Alex Honnold climbs El Capitan without ropes but it is riveting (and palm-sweaty).
I highly recommend it.
Edit - it's on Sky Anytime... National Geographic, I think.0 -
Having successfully delivered No Deal Brexit? All of themanother_richard said:
I wonder how many of those would still expect to be Conservative candidates at the subsequent GE.TheScreamingEagles said:So how many of the ERG would VONC their own government if Mrs May went for a longish extension?
More than a dozen, fewer than 20 is my view.0 -
What I found amazing was that many of the hard-line No Dealers must have voted Remain in the Referendum.AlastairMeeks said:
Yes, the death cult is intensifying.another_richard said:
Indeed.Mortimer said:
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.another_richard said:
Possibly and possibly not.AlastairMeeks said:
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.0 -
Um, no offence, but I don't think anyone could accuse you of being a tower of strength up to this point.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
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Could you get your tongue any further up his Article50?rcs1000 said:
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.DavidL said:
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.SeanT said:
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K TremayneDavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.0 -
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
Is Robert being facetious or faecestiousPeterMannion said:
Could you get your tongue any further up his Article50?rcs1000 said:
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.DavidL said:
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.SeanT said:
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K TremayneDavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.
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Interesting that you agree - and are happy - that the country is screwed.rpjs said:
Truly, every cloud has a silver lining.Richard_Tyndall said:
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
If there's a second referendum I think Leave win because of today where the establishment has acted against the public vote so blatantly.
My WhatsApp group is absolutely seething at what they see as an establishment coup.0 -
I literally laughed out loud at that but was it not something along those lines that led to Lord North's Government losing the American colonies?ydoethur said:
I really can see May being recognised in due course as the worst PM since North.0 -
Do you think? I don't see how.MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
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In which case the Deal wins as the Deal would be the only Leave option on the ballotMaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
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Luckily the backstop is in place.PeterMannion said:
Could you get your tongue any further up his Article50?rcs1000 said:
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.DavidL said:
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.SeanT said:
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K TremayneDavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.0 -
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
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Die.Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
Even if she were worse than Brown - and she isn't - there is no way any PM would be worse than Goderich.Peter_the_Punter said:
I literally laughed out loud at that but was it not something along those lines that led to Lord North's Government losing the American colonies?ydoethur said:
I really can see being recognised in doe course as the worst PM since North.
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Well, that's the negative stuff, now onto the positives..DavidL said:
1. Remove May.another_richard said:
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.DavidL said:
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.kle4 said:I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important.
3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all.
4. ...ok, getting stuck now.0 -
If we get No Brexit it will be because of Labour, LD and SNP votes with only a handful of Tories tacked on, remember most Tory MPs have already voted not to rule out No Deal and against extension of Article 50. If we ended up with No Brexit Boris would likely end up Tory leader to avoid Tory Leavers moving en masse to Farage's new Brexit Party and UKIPRichard_Tyndall said:
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
They see it as an establishment coup to derail brexit and force the PM into revoking or a long dated extension.Luckyguy1983 said:
Do you think? I don't see how.MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
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Now that's what I call sunlit uplands.DavidL said:At the risk of breaking my vow within 20 minutes (in fairness, well ahead of the average politician) my current list is:
1. May's useless deal with or without a short extension.
2. No deal Brexit (with as many mini deals as possible).
3.Revoke.
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659. A long extension.
It really is the worst possible solution. No wonder it is gaining credence in the madhouse.0 -
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluidsLuckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
We do not avoid Europeans, as you know Rochdale, but we do deny them our essence.RochdalePioneers said:
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluidsLuckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
Mirrors Boris thinking (if he thinks) and is why when I heard Bercow today I was relieved that he had stopped MV3 this week and not TMIanB2 said:She would have lost anyway:
Guardian:The Democratic Unionist party is unlikely to strike an agreement with Theresa May’s government to support the current withdrawal deal before Thursday’s crunch meeting with EU leaders, sources said on Monday.
Ironically I think he could have saved TM deal which I would expect to be returned next week with the brexiteers facing pass it or lose brexit
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Well it is, but if anything surely it creates warm feelings for the snatched away deal if Bercow is doing his best to kill it.MaxPB said:
They see it as an establishment coup to derail brexit and force the PM into revoking or a long dated extension.Luckyguy1983 said:
Do you think? I don't see how.MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
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Lord North to me will always be the PM who lost the Americas, but maybe I am doing him an injustice.ydoethur said:
Even if she were worse than Brown - and she isn't - there is no way any PM would be worse than Goderich.Peter_the_Punter said:
I literally laughed out loud at that but was it not something along those lines that led to Lord North's Government losing the American colonies?ydoethur said:
I really can see being recognised in doe course as the worst PM since North.
(I take it you're referring to repeal of the Townshend Acts on the day of the Boston Massacre?)0 -
He was the PM in charge when the 13 colonies were able to gain independence. I would argue the two are not necessarily the same thing. His sense of humour was also wonderful.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lord North to me will always be the PM who lost the Americas, but maybe I am doing him an injustice.ydoethur said:
Even if she were worse than Brown - and she isn't - there is no way any PM would be worse than Goderich.Peter_the_Punter said:
I literally laughed out loud at that but was it not something along those lines that led to Lord North's Government losing the American colonies?ydoethur said:
I really can see being recognised in doe course as the worst PM since North.
(I take it you're referring to repeal of the Townshend Acts on the day of the Boston Massacre?)
Goderich, on the other hand, remains the only PM in history to be so utterly inadequate he couldn't even meet Parliament.0 -
Would be sort of funny if Bercow's play was merely a massive reverse psychology "no you can't have it" ploy.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well it is, but if anything surely it creates warm feelings for the snatched away deal if Bercow is doing his best to kill it.MaxPB said:
They see it as an establishment coup to derail brexit and force the PM into revoking or a long dated extension.Luckyguy1983 said:
Do you think? I don't see how.MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
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I'm sure that is hilarious, but I'm still not going to bemoan any lack of fluoride in the water. I have no objection to applying it topically whilst brushing but I struggle to see how it can improve dental health by mass ingestion. It's like getting vitamins by watching a truck of broccoli drive past.RochdalePioneers said:
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluidsLuckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
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Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.Luckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
In case nobody has pointed this out, the 2nd referendum petition has more that 100k signers now.
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No, I think Bercow was out to stop Brexit, as per, but unless I see statements to the contrary, the effect will surely be the one you suggest.solarflare said:
Would be sort of funny if Bercow's play was merely a massive reverse psychology "no you can't have it" ploy.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well it is, but if anything surely it creates warm feelings for the snatched away deal if Bercow is doing his best to kill it.MaxPB said:
They see it as an establishment coup to derail brexit and force the PM into revoking or a long dated extension.Luckyguy1983 said:
Do you think? I don't see how.MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
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Fluoride is added to the water supply by Zionists.Recidivist said:
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.Luckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
I despair that our nation has allowed our key infrastructure to get so integrated with the EU that we cannot cope if french farmers were to blockade the continent ports for a few seconds. This is just BOLLOSKS- either it is untrue or the lack of contingency planning by companies / government should result in people being fired for incompetence.Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
I know. That doesn't end discussion on the potential health implications of long term exposure of course. A cigarette is not toxic either, but a lifetime of smoking is unwise. But I'm not claiming it's dangerous or even bad for you, I'm saying it's absurd on a list of things that mean we can't drink the water.Recidivist said:
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.Luckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
When did you join Labour?Sean_F said:
Fluoride is added to the water supply by Zionists.Recidivist said:
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.Luckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
Oh dear more Leave hysteria . Given many of the ERG are happy with Bercow decision how exactly is this a coup .MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
If there's a second referendum I think Leave win because of today where the establishment has acted against the public vote so blatantly.
My WhatsApp group is absolutely seething at what they see as an establishment coup.
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For much the same reasons, you may also end up with Johnson as PM in the case of a long extension, which will be viewed in much the same light as revoking. May's 12 months of immunity only lasts until mid-December 2019.HYUFD said:
If we get No Brexit it will be because of Labour, LD and SNP votes with only a handful of Tories tacked on, remember most Tory MPs have already voted not to rule out No Deal and against extension of Article 50. If we ended up with No Brexit Boris would likely end up Tory leader to avoid Tory Leavers moving en masse to Farage's new Brexit Party and UKIPRichard_Tyndall said:
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
Does anyone give a toss?Pulpstar said:Wanking regulations coming into effect:
https://order-order.com/2019/03/18/porn-laws-catch-public-pants/
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Not quite.dixiedean said:
It was always a Potential Absolute Monarch. In the same way that our governments can (usually) be Elected Dictators but rarely are.
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I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.0
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MaxPB said:
Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
If there's a second referendum I think Leave win because of today where the establishment has acted against the public vote so blatantly.
My WhatsApp group is absolutely seething at what they see as an establishment coup.
My social media feeds are full of people singing the praises of Bercow, hailing him as a hero and even calling for him to be PM! I don't actually agree with this as I'm a Remainer who is far, far from being a Bercow fan... but it just goes to show how very few of us are getting an accurate sample of the public mood.0 -
Odd that they see conspiracy in everything and cannot understand a perfectly sensible ruling in line with longstanding precedent.MaxPB said:Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
If there's a second referendum I think Leave win because of today where the establishment has acted against the public vote so blatantly.
My WhatsApp group is absolutely seething at what they see as an establishment coup.0 -
That’s the first Brexit joke that’s actually made me smileeek said:0 -
The UK has gone from respected and pragmatic, a country to be relied on to a complete basket case .
As a Remainer I thought this was going to end up a car crash but even I never managed it would end up this bad.
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I am not sure the public will see it that way. This is one of the issues that most of the public who know what it is, desperately want to be resolved. Standing in the way of that happening using an interpretation of a little known parliamentary procedure looks incredibly self indulgent and out of touch to me.FF43 said:I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
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You may be right in one sense. The evidence that was used to justify the inclusion of fluoride in water would not meet current standards. And the improvement in dental hygiene that has occurred since fluoridation programmes were started may be due to other factors. But if we stopped doing it then it might turn out that the fluoridation was a major reason for the improvement. Would you fancy being the person who made that decision?Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm sure that is hilarious, but I'm still not going to bemoan any lack of fluoride in the water. I have no objection to applying it topically whilst brushing but I struggle to see how it can improve dental health by mass ingestion. It's like getting vitamins by watching a truck of broccoli drive past.RochdalePioneers said:
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluidsLuckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Your analogy is incorrect. Ingesting fluoride in tap water is not remotely like watching a truck full of broccoli.0 -
What's bad? Employment is at record levels, things are going so smoothly in fact that Parliament feels no urgency whatsoever in resolving anything.nico67 said:The UK has gone from respected and pragmatic, a country to be relied on to a complete basket case .
As a Remainer I thought this was going to end up a car crash but even I never managed it would end up this bad.0 -
To be clear, I think the presumption should be the HoC is allowed to vote whenever it wants. Which means there should have been a vote last November.Luckyguy1983 said:
I am not sure the public will see it that way. This is one of the issues that most of the public who know what it is, desperately want to be resolved. Standing in the way of that happening using an interpretation of a little known parliamentary procedure looks incredibly self indulgent and out of touch to me.FF43 said:I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
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From 1950 - 1990, Italy managed to combine total political chaos with being Europe's fastest-growing economy.Philip_Thompson said:
What's bad? Employment is at record levels, things are going so smoothly in fact that Parliament feels no urgency whatsoever in resolving anything.nico67 said:The UK has gone from respected and pragmatic, a country to be relied on to a complete basket case .
As a Remainer I thought this was going to end up a car crash but even I never managed it would end up this bad.0 -
Yes I would fancy it.0
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TBF if your job was to deal with MPs all day long you’d want to regulate wankers as wellPulpstar said:Wanking regulations coming into effect:
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Indeed, there's a clear inverse relationship (in Italy) between the length of the average premiership and economic growth.Sean_F said:
From 1950 - 1990, Italy managed to combine total political chaos with being Europe's fastest-growing economy.Philip_Thompson said:
What's bad? Employment is at record levels, things are going so smoothly in fact that Parliament feels no urgency whatsoever in resolving anything.nico67 said:The UK has gone from respected and pragmatic, a country to be relied on to a complete basket case .
As a Remainer I thought this was going to end up a car crash but even I never managed it would end up this bad.0 -
Yes, Johnson will be a Salmond type figure for Leave voters if Brexit never happens, a rallying point against the Unionist, EUphile establishmentWulfrun_Phil said:
For much the same reasons, you may also end up with Johnson as PM in the case of a long extension, which will be viewed in much the same light as revoking. May's 12 months of immunity only lasts until mid-December 2019.HYUFD said:
If we get No Brexit it will be because of Labour, LD and SNP votes with only a handful of Tories tacked on, remember most Tory MPs have already voted not to rule out No Deal and against extension of Article 50. If we ended up with No Brexit Boris would likely end up Tory leader to avoid Tory Leavers moving en masse to Farage's new Brexit Party and UKIPRichard_Tyndall said:
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not BrexitIanB2 said:
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.another_richard said:
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.RochdalePioneers said:Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.0 -
Gentlemen! no fighting! This is the Brexit Room.ydoethur said:
We do not avoid Europeans, as you know Rochdale, but we do deny them our essence.RochdalePioneers said:
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluidsLuckyguy1983 said:
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.rottenborough said:
...er, die from water poisoning?Luckyguy1983 said:
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?rpjs said:A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.0 -
Always knew my VPN would come in handy.Pulpstar said:Wanking regulations coming into effect:
https://order-order.com/2019/03/18/porn-laws-catch-public-pants/
Get it? Handy...?0 -
Oh well, we have the prospect of a parliamentary debate on Brexit. That will be novel.Toms said:In case nobody has pointed this out, the 2nd referendum petition has more that 100k signers now.
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May just repeatedly banging on with the same vote ignoring the massive defeats isn't much better of a look - it makes her appear one-dimensional at best and at the end of her road at worst. What Bercow's done here is the equivalent of trying to give the stuck record player a bit of a bash to move it on one way or another. Albeit in a self-indulgent way, I think that bit is a fair comment.Luckyguy1983 said:
I am not sure the public will see it that way. This is one of the issues that most of the public who know what it is, desperately want to be resolved. Standing in the way of that happening using an interpretation of a little known parliamentary procedure looks incredibly self indulgent and out of touch to me.FF43 said:I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
May should go to the Commons and provide the chance for a set of indicative votes where the government expresses no strong opinions any way in particular, give Parliament the chance to have its say and if nothing comes out of those in terms of anything looking like it would command a majority (entirely possible as Parliament looks like it might struggle to decide on which biscuits to have in the meeting) then at that point the deal may start to look more plausible as the way forward.0 -
Grayling was the Cabinet Minister a while back who told me that the way the EU was behaving was “tantamount to an act of war”rcs1000 said:
I lost what little respect I had for him at that point0 -
Should lead to a happy ending.RochdalePioneers said:
Always knew my VPN would come in handy.Pulpstar said:Wanking regulations coming into effect:
https://order-order.com/2019/03/18/porn-laws-catch-public-pants/
Get it? Handy...?0
