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some very cutting comments...Harris_Tweed said:O/T (except as an illustration of the quality of stock roaming the corridors of power).
A novel approach to tackling knife-crime; stick with the comments for the entertainment..
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Like who? Provided it is a shift towards BINO or EUref2 then should be no problemBig_G_NorthWales said:
But other EU countries saying noHYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
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Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years* at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
* Five years perhaps if full Vassal State and no arguments, but submitting to Brussels rule by order isn't going to sit well. (And further edit, of course there will be arguments. It has taken nearly three years so to NOT agree three Withdrawal Agreement preliminaries.)0 -
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
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Mark Stone said several countries led by FranceHYUFD said:
Like who? Provided it is a shift towards BINO or EUref2 then should be no problemBig_G_NorthWales said:
But other EU countries saying noHYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
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On a different subject R&D in 2017 was at its highest as a proportion of GDP of any year since 1990.
Discounting military R&D it would have been at its highest for much longer:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/researchanddevelopmentexpenditure/bulletins/ukgrossdomesticexpenditureonresearchanddevelopment/2017#uk-rd-expenditure-continues-long-term-upward-trend
The report shows that R&D was at its lowest level during the Blair government.0 -
Aye, that's the sad truth.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
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each time one of these morons speaks, one has to wonder what else hey can come out with that will make the average intelligence of the average British politician appear lowerScott_P said:The idiots' idiot...
https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/11058756031636275200 -
Dying.Scott_P said:The idiots' idiot...
https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1105875603163627520
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My bugbear is "if everyone did X, then we could Y" . A sure fire indicator that Y is doomed to failNigel_Foremain said:
It is always amusing when people irrationally claim to know the mind of the public (or worse, "the people"). It is though "the public" is actually some kind of super-mind, like Lovelock's earth in the Gaia principle. it is complete nonsense. "The People" do not exist, just a lot of confused individuals, some with logic, some without.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.0 -
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
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I’m starting to come round to the idea of a momentum-style deselection campaign against this lot.Nigel_Foremain said:
each time one of these morons speaks, one has to wonder what else hey can come out with that will make the average intelligence of the average British politician appear lowerScott_P said:The idiots' idiot...
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If so and many labour mps are determined to vote against, the peoples vote will be humilated tonightScott_P said:0 -
A decade seems rather optomistic to me considering the slow progress over the last 30 months!FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years* at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
* Five years perhaps if full Vassal State and no arguments, but submitting to Brussels rule by order isn't going to sit well. (And further edit, of course there will be arguments. It has taken nearly three years so to NOT agree three Withdrawal Agreement preliminaries.)0 -
Has any whipping been effective in recent weeks?Scott_P said:0 -
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The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.0 -
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.0 -
I can see why they've made that decision but it's dangerous for them if the majority is smaller than the number of Labour abstainers.Scott_P said:0 -
Whipped to abstain? OMG, the depths that our two main parties have fallen to. Proper statesmen must be spinning in their graves. Make a fucking decision you idiots,one way or tother. It is what you are paid salaries for.Scott_P said:0 -
More strategic genius from the "grown-ups" that are the Tiggers.Scott_P said:0 -
Whip to Abstain?Scott_P said:
Way to provide strong quality leadership there Corbyn...ffs.
Yet again proving that the house of incapable of voting 'for' something./0 -
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
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Peoples vote is disappearing off the radarwilliamglenn said:
I can see why they've made that decision but it's dangerous for them if the majority is smaller than the number of Labour abstainers.Scott_P said:0 -
The desire is still there. A momentary pause on the journey, perhaps, but they certainly aren’t changing direction. Could you imagine the EU giving up any real competences, for example?FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.0 -
Does the vote today stipulate which flavour (short/technical or longer) extension will be approved?0
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'My ministers are being frightfully naughty. They must stop it at once'.TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.0 -
That sums up brexit perfectlyScott_P said:0 -
Because there's so much of it left....Scott_P said:0 -
Maybe we should “Activate The Queen” and send her off to Brussels.rural_voter said:
'My ministers are being frightfully naughty. They must stop it at once'.TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Bet you she’d do a better job.0 -
And suffer a similar loss of reputation ?TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Don't be silly.
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Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
Indeed. Ever closer union is something that the swivel-eyed froth about, but is seen as completely unimportant to the majority of continental Europeans as it is completely meaningless.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.0 -
No. Hence I think the accusation of stasis is nearer the mark.RobD said:
The desire is still there. A momentary pause on the journey, perhaps, but they certainly aren’t changing direction. Could you imagine the EU giving up any real competences, for example?FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.0 -
Groan. I think the real target for the Wollaston amendment should be 242 - key thing is to say that there are more MPs supporting this approach than May's. But that would require a helluva lot of Labour rebels.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That sums up brexit perfectlyScott_P said:0 -
How is it meaningless?Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Ever closer union is something that the swivel-eyed froth about, but is seen as completely unimportant to the majority of continental Europeans as it is completely meaningless.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
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For those accusing Gove yesterday of being a competent but uninspiring middle-manager, I commend to you David Lidington
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*Pauses to wonder whether "best oxymoron" is, itself, an oxymoron*Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
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Well, we have the hilarious sight of rebel Brexiteers - who have spent the last four months repeatedly voting against three-line whips on the most important policy of the government - complaining about colleagues not following a very late and confused three-line whip on a motion which had not been discussed in Cabinet. So if we're going to do deselections, let's start with the serial rebels, eh?MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....0 -
But wait - didn't Labour say they were FOR a second referendum?Slackbladder said:
Whip to Abstain?Scott_P said:
Way to provide strong quality leadership there Corbyn...ffs.
Yet again proving that the house of incapable of voting 'for' something./
How did all parties end up quite this shit at the same time?0 -
No, they're only in favour if their preferred Brexit is ruled outFloater said:
But wait - didn't Labour say they were FOR a second referendum?Slackbladder said:
Whip to Abstain?Scott_P said:
Way to provide strong quality leadership there Corbyn...ffs.
Yet again proving that the house of incapable of voting 'for' something./
How did all parties end up quite this shit at the same time?0 -
Not really. It's a straightforward decision - there won't be a referendum unless the house votes for one, and there is another amendment to that effect already tabled. This amendment is pointless.Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
May stepping down won't be of any interest to the DUP. They need a Bloody Big Bribe. I've been saying it long enough - PROMISE THEM THE BRIDGE-TUNNEL COMBO TO SCOTLAND.TGOHF said:
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
It's not like May is going to be cutting the bloody ribbon. She won't even be around when the first detailed costs are offered up, making her successor blanche at that many noughts......0 -
but, but , but they deserve so much more the poor little lambsNigel_Foremain said:
Whipped to abstain? OMG, the depths that our two main parties have fallen to. Proper statesmen must be spinning in their graves. Make a fucking decision you idiots,one way or tother. It is what you are paid salaries for.Scott_P said:
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Particularly shocking when you see something like this on such an impartial site as "Guido Fawkes" !!!! I mean Paul Staines clearly really loves Bercow.Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
Labour's also please.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, we have the hilarious sight of rebel Brexiteers - who have spent the last four months repeatedly voting against three-line whips on the most important policy of the government - complaining about colleagues not following a very late and confused three-line whip on a motion which had not been discussed in Cabinet. So if we're going to do deselections, let's start with the serial rebels, eh?MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....0 -
Surely any Labour MPs who defy the whip to abstain will just point to policy set at Conference as their justification?RobD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/25/labour-conference-brexit-debate-starmer-increasingly-likely-to-vote-down-mays-brexit-deal-starmer-says-politics-live0 -
No doubt it’ll be built and they both leave shortly after. “So long, and thanks for this rather lovey bridge”MarqueeMark said:
May stepping down won't be of any interest to the DUP. They need a Bloody Big Bribe. I've been saying it long enough - PROMISE THEM THE BRIDGE-TUNNEL COMBO TO SCOTLAND.TGOHF said:
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
It's not like May is going to be cutting the bloody ribbon. She won't even be around when the first detailed costs are offered up, making her successor blanche at that many noughts......
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Would that be an oxyoxymoron, or an oxymoronmoron?Endillion said:
*Pauses to wonder whether "best oxymoron" is, itself, an oxymoron*Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
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Jacob Rees-Moron?Nigel_Foremain said:
Would that be an oxyoxymoron, or an oxymoronmoron?Endillion said:
*Pauses to wonder whether "best oxymoron" is, itself, an oxymoron*Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
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And you’re a kindred spirit.Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
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Take it, with our blessing.....RobD said:
No doubt it’ll be built and they both leave shortly after. “So long, and thanks for this rather lovey bridge”MarqueeMark said:
May stepping down won't be of any interest to the DUP. They need a Bloody Big Bribe. I've been saying it long enough - PROMISE THEM THE BRIDGE-TUNNEL COMBO TO SCOTLAND.TGOHF said:
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
It's not like May is going to be cutting the bloody ribbon. She won't even be around when the first detailed costs are offered up, making her successor blanche at that many noughts......0 -
The Tiggers are backing the Second Referendum amendment. FWIW, I agree with People's Vote not the Tiggers here: today's primary purpose is to support the concept of extension. Second referendum is subsidiary and should not get in the way of primary purpose. Cooper/Benn amendment a better way of tethering the cart once we have the horse.Danny565 said:
More strategic genius from the "grown-ups" that are the Tiggers.Scott_P said:0 -
AKA Snoop Mogg.TOPPING said:
Jacob Rees-Moron?Nigel_Foremain said:
Would that be an oxyoxymoron, or an oxymoronmoron?Endillion said:
*Pauses to wonder whether "best oxymoron" is, itself, an oxymoron*Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/11054233527332823040 -
It has about as much resonance and meaning as one of Theresa May's meaningful votes. Only the most extreme integrationists in Europe believe in it. It is like the Labour Party's Clause 4, sorry like Clause 4 used to be before a load of dinosaurs came back form the dead in a political version of Jurassic Park!Floater said:
How is it meaningless?Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Ever closer union is something that the swivel-eyed froth about, but is seen as completely unimportant to the majority of continental Europeans as it is completely meaningless.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.0 -
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
Yes, they should of course take the thirty-year history into account where MPs have been in parliament that long.TOPPING said:
Labour's also please.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, we have the hilarious sight of rebel Brexiteers - who have spent the last four months repeatedly voting against three-line whips on the most important policy of the government - complaining about colleagues not following a very late and confused three-line whip on a motion which had not been discussed in Cabinet. So if we're going to do deselections, let's start with the serial rebels, eh?MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....0 -
Like Macron and Merkel?Nigel_Foremain said:
... Only the most extreme integrationists in Europe believe in it...Floater said:
How is it meaningless?Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Ever closer union is something that the swivel-eyed froth about, but is seen as completely unimportant to the majority of continental Europeans as it is completely meaningless.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/merkel-and-macron-s-answer-to-populism-ever-closer-union-3twb3m8xk0 -
It will be an exciting crossing as it will tunnel through the biggest pile of WW2 bombsMarqueeMark said:
May stepping down won't be of any interest to the DUP. They need a Bloody Big Bribe. I've been saying it long enough - PROMISE THEM THE BRIDGE-TUNNEL COMBO TO SCOTLAND.TGOHF said:
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
It's not like May is going to be cutting the bloody ribbon. She won't even be around when the first detailed costs are offered up, making her successor blanche at that many noughts......0 -
I am not terribly in favour of a second referendum, but why are Brexiteers so terrified of a second ref? I thought you have always said the will-o-the-people is with you?MarqueeMark said:
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
To break the logjam, Mrs May needs to do two things. The first is to consult Parliament, in a series of indicative votes that will reveal what form of Brexit can command a majority. The second is to call a referendum to make that choice legitimate. Today every faction sticks to its red lines, claiming to be speaking for the people. Only this combination can put those arguments to rest.TrèsDifficile said:
Oh jauk, jouk, neuk, souk, wauk or yeuk?Scott_P said:
And so any deal that Parliament approves must be put to the public for a final say. It will be decried by hardline Brexiteers as treasonous and by hardline Remainers as an act of self-harm. Forget them. It is for the public to decide whether they are in favour of the new relationship with the eu—or whether, on reflection, they would rather stick with the one they already have.0 -
In light of this...Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1106185993005264897?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1106185993005264897&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/14/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-delaying-departure-from-european-union-politics-live
...I suspect Wollaston will pull the amendment at the last minute, to save it only getting about 30 votes.
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More that the decision of the first one should be enacted first.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not terribly in favour of a second referendum, but why are Brexiteers so terrified of a second ref? I thought you have always said the will-o-the-people is with you?MarqueeMark said:
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
For a pointless amendment the number of signatories is irrelevant.MarqueeMark said:
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
Except this isn’t the new relationship with the EU. That is to be decided afterwards because of the EU’s sequencing policy.IanB2 said:
To break the logjam, Mrs May needs to do two things. The first is to consult Parliament, in a series of indicative votes that will reveal what form of Brexit can command a majority. The second is to call a referendum to make that choice legitimate. Today every faction sticks to its red lines, claiming to be speaking for the people. Only this combination can put those arguments to rest.TrèsDifficile said:
Oh jauk, jouk, neuk, souk, wauk or yeuk?Scott_P said:
And so any deal that Parliament approves must be put to the public for a final say. It will be decried by hardline Brexiteers as treasonous and by hardline Remainers as an act of self-harm. Forget them. It is for the public to decide whether they are in favour of the new relationship with the eu—or whether, on reflection, they would rather stick with the one they already have.0 -
The atmosphere in the house has changed. It is very light hearted as if a burden has been lifted. Perhaps they can see a light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps it is the absence of the spectral figure of Mrs May. Something has changed in the dynamics.0
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And poison gas.FF43 said:
It will be an exciting crossing as it will tunnel through the biggest pile of WW2 bombsMarqueeMark said:
May stepping down won't be of any interest to the DUP. They need a Bloody Big Bribe. I've been saying it long enough - PROMISE THEM THE BRIDGE-TUNNEL COMBO TO SCOTLAND.TGOHF said:
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
It's not like May is going to be cutting the bloody ribbon. She won't even be around when the first detailed costs are offered up, making her successor blanche at that many noughts......0 -
What the bleeding fuck are you talking about? Integration is accelerating. What’s more, since Lisbon they don’t need Treaty change to do it. They want an EU army, EU wide migration laws, harmonised taxes, harmonised minimum wages, one EU UNSC seat, they want it all. Moreover, the horrible logic of the eurozone means that they HAVE to go for much closer integration - pooling debt, etc. Because if they don’t the eurozone will fly apart in the next crisis.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
Perhaps you missed Macron’s speech on all this. Understandable I suppose. He is just the president of France.
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-european-parliament-election-calls-for-big-eu-changes-in-european-renaissance/
Sure, he won’t get everything he wants at once. But the direction of travel is obvious. Only a lying cretin, or a British Europhile (i.e. the same thing) would pretend otherwise.0 -
Jacob Rees-Mogg, a man of moderately extreme views.TOPPING said:
Jacob Rees-Moron?Nigel_Foremain said:
Would that be an oxyoxymoron, or an oxymoronmoron?Endillion said:
*Pauses to wonder whether "best oxymoron" is, itself, an oxymoron*Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
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Coming up: Moggystyle, Tha Moggfather, No Limit Top Mogg, Tha Blue Carpet Treatment, Moggumentary.....williamglenn said:
AKA Snoop Mogg.TOPPING said:
Jacob Rees-Moron?Nigel_Foremain said:
Would that be an oxyoxymoron, or an oxymoronmoron?Endillion said:
*Pauses to wonder whether "best oxymoron" is, itself, an oxymoron*Nigel_Foremain said:
that is one of the best oxymorons I have ever heardCasino_Royale said:
As I feared the TIG are showing themselves up to be rather smug and hectoring extreme centrists.Pulpstar said:Wollaston amendment should show up the split in Labour.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/11054233527332823040 -
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More critically, the amendment will be pulled because once voted on it isn't normally allowable to table the same proposal again (May and her deal being an exception, clearly)Danny565 said:
In light of this...Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1106185993005264897?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1106185993005264897&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/14/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-delaying-departure-from-european-union-politics-live
...I suspect Wollaston will pull the amendment at the last minute, to save it only getting about 30 votes.0 -
You're not kidding anyone there! But I don't believe a 2nd ref to be good for the country (far worse than May's deal anyway), it'll lead to disenfranchisement for millions and will prolong the process and uncertainty. No question suitable will be agreed by a majority I suspect and I don't expect the losing side to honour the result any better than some MPs have this time round. I'd also expect a 3rd ref if remain won. So really it's not a solution only more 'unicorns'.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not terribly in favour of a second referendum, but why are Brexiteers so terrified of a second ref? I thought you have always said the will-o-the-people is with you?MarqueeMark said:
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/
At the moment we are one agreement away from resolving the issue at least for the forseeable future. With a people's vote we may be 3 or 4 momentous dragged out decisions away. If you ask the public do you want this dragging on for months and years they will say no, and ergo they won't like a People's Vote. In some ways revoking article 50 would be better.0 -
The ERG should have offered to cosign it lolDanny565 said:
In light of this...Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1106185993005264897?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1106185993005264897&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/14/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-delaying-departure-from-european-union-politics-live
...I suspect Wollaston will pull the amendment at the last minute, to save it only getting about 30 votes.0 -
It's interesting how all sides in the Brexit debate continue to use personal insults against their opponents. It does nothing at all to solve the toxic nature of the crisis. People who are simply extolling sincerely held positions they've always believed in are dubbed as "idiots".0
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Who are those nobodies?Endillion said:
Like Macron and Merkel?Nigel_Foremain said:
... Only the most extreme integrationists in Europe believe in it...Floater said:
How is it meaningless?Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Ever closer union is something that the swivel-eyed froth about, but is seen as completely unimportant to the majority of continental Europeans as it is completely meaningless.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/merkel-and-macron-s-answer-to-populism-ever-closer-union-3twb3m8xk0 -
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Westminster is the Boeing 737 Max 8 of parliaments?Floater said:
But wait - didn't Labour say they were FOR a second referendum?Slackbladder said:
Whip to Abstain?Scott_P said:
Way to provide strong quality leadership there Corbyn...ffs.
Yet again proving that the house of incapable of voting 'for' something./
How did all parties end up quite this shit at the same time?0 -
I think the term cretin and any other term for people of limited intellect belongs to anyone who believes Muslims should be deported for simply being Muslim. You are talking out of your backside once again. It is said that travel broadens the mind. Clearly being of broad mind does not apply to travel writers for Rupert Murdoch's Times.SeanT said:
What the bleeding fuck are you talking about? Integration is accelerating. What’s more, since Lisbon they don’t need Treaty change to do it. They want an EU army, EU wide migration laws, harmonised taxes, harmonised minimum wages, one EU UNSC seat, they want it all. Moreover, the horrible logic of the eurozone means that they HAVE to go for much closer integration - pooling debt, etc. Because if they don’t the eurozone will fly apart in the next crisis.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
Perhaps you missed Macron’s speech on all this. Understandable I suppose. He is just the president of France.
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-european-parliament-election-calls-for-big-eu-changes-in-european-renaissance/
Sure, he won’t get everything he wants at once. But the direction of travel is obvious. Only a lying cretin, or a British Europhile (i.e. the same thing) would pretend otherwise.-1 -
Sadly it is probably just the prospect of having a few more months to continue the atmosphere of unrealistic debate.Barnesian said:The atmosphere in the house has changed. It is very light hearted as if a burden has been lifted. Perhaps they can see a light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps it is the absence of the spectral figure of Mrs May. Something has changed in the dynamics.
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But his point is correct. Unless you think Macron wasn’t being serious?Nigel_Foremain said:
I think the term cretin and any other term for people of limited intellect belongs to anyone who believes Muslims should be deported for simply being Muslim. You are talking out of your backside once again. It is said that travel broadens the mind. Clearly being of broad mind does not apply to travel writers for Rupert Murdoch's Times.0 -
I don't understand that argument. If I say, I'll have a pint of bitter, and I then say, *before the barman has started to pump the bitter, *, no make that Guinness, where is the sense in saying sorry, mate, you have to have the bitter first?RobD said:
More that the decision of the first one should be enacted first.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not terribly in favour of a second referendum, but why are Brexiteers so terrified of a second ref? I thought you have always said the will-o-the-people is with you?MarqueeMark said:
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0 -
Certainly he travels the world but seems to learn next to nothing.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think the term cretin and any other term for people of limited intellect belongs to anyone who believes Muslims should be deported for simply being Muslim. You are talking out of your backside once again. It is said that travel broadens the mind. Clearly being of broad mind does not apply to travel writers for Rupert Murdoch's Times.SeanT said:
What the bleeding fuck are you talking about? Integration is accelerating. What’s more, since Lisbon they don’t need Treaty change to do it. They want an EU army, EU wide migration laws, harmonised taxes, harmonised minimum wages, one EU UNSC seat, they want it all. Moreover, the horrible logic of the eurozone means that they HAVE to go for much closer integration - pooling debt, etc. Because if they don’t the eurozone will fly apart in the next crisis.FF43 said:
The EU integration bandwagon has more or less stopped.There is almost zero willingness for it amongst member states. This is the other side of the coin from "The EU is incapable of change" criticism that comes from largely the same people. I think the second criticism has more validity, incidentally.RobD said:
Same goes for EU integration. An unstoppable force with only one destination.FF43 said:
Brexit will never be over. Not for ten years at least. Maybe if we revoke, but even then doubtful.TGOHF said:
Disagree - the public want Brexit over. The HoC wants to can kick forever rather than take a decision.Foxy said:
Nah, the HoC is accurately reflecting a British public lost, conflicted and confused about the fiasco of Brexit.TGOHF said:
Control is passing to a cabal of unrepresentative MPs and a speaker who are hell bent on ignoring the referendum.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that control is passing to nobody.HYUFD said:Control of the process is now clearly passing to Parliament as last night's votes show and for some sort of CU and SM BINO, Tusk has also signalled the EU would grant a lengthy extension if the UK shifted in that direction today
Good luck to anyone trying to run the country if they succeed.
Perhaps you missed Macron’s speech on all this. Understandable I suppose. He is just the president of France.
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-european-parliament-election-calls-for-big-eu-changes-in-european-renaissance/
Sure, he won’t get everything he wants at once. But the direction of travel is obvious. Only a lying cretin, or a British Europhile (i.e. the same thing) would pretend otherwise.0 -
Confirmed what? The linked tweet has been deleted.Scott_P said:0 -
Ever Closer Union isn't meaningless, but it isn't happening either. The European Union is a massive Jenga puzzle. It can scarcely afford to add any pieces or take them away from the pile or the whole edifice come tumbling down. This is the EU's weakness and its strength. It is fragile, and make no mistake Brexit is a threat to the EU and is seen as such. But everyone knows the score and no-one rocks the boat, including badly behaved countries like Hungary. It's why German car manufacturers won't come to the rescue of a nice-to-UK deal. It's why Ireland will get its way on the backstop and it's why the UK will find the EU to be a tough partner to deal with little fudge on offer.Floater said:
How is it meaningless?
The reason for this brittleness is that the EU operates by consensus of 28, now 27, member states with different agendas and it is over reliant on legal force for execution of its policies. Its issues stem from it NOT being the superstate that few people want it to be.0 -
At what point can you no longer pull an amendment. Bercow did not allow Spelman to pull her amendment yesterday. I am not clear on how close to the vote that was but it seems like to was a few hours before. Might Wollaston be unable to pull her amendment?IanB2 said:
More critically, the amendment will be pulled because once voted on it isn't normally allowable to table the same proposal again (May and her deal being an exception, clearly)Danny565 said:
In light of this...Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1106185993005264897?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1106185993005264897&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/14/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-delaying-departure-from-european-union-politics-live
...I suspect Wollaston will pull the amendment at the last minute, to save it only getting about 30 votes.0 -
That has always been the case and yet it has still accrued significant powers over the individual states.FF43 said:
Ever Closer Union isn't meaningless, but it isn't happening either. The European Union is a massive Jenga puzzle. It can't scarcely afford to add any pieces or take them away from the pile or the whole edifice come tumbling down. This is the EU's weakness and its strength. It is fragile, and make no mistake Brexit is a threat to the EU and is seen as such. But everyone knows the score and no-one rocks the boat, including badly behaved countries like Hungary. It's why German car manufacturers won't come to the rescue of a nice-to-UK deal. It's why Ireland will get its way on the backstop and it's why the UK will find the EU to be a tough partner to deal with little fudge on offer.Floater said:
How is it meaningless?
The reason for this brittleness is that the EU operates by consensus of 28, now 27, member states with different agendas and it is over reliant on legal force for execution of its policies. Its issues stem from it NOT being the superstate that few people want it to be.0 -
Territorials really didn't get involved in anything until Iraq and Afghan. tbf.Scott_P said:0 -
You'd probably take a longer, more northern route to avoid Beaufort's Dyke. What's a couple of extra billion out of Spreadsheet Phil's war chest? (And like he has any long-term career plans for that money anyway....)FF43 said:
It will be an exciting crossing as it will tunnel through the biggest pile of WW2 bombsMarqueeMark said:
May stepping down won't be of any interest to the DUP. They need a Bloody Big Bribe. I've been saying it long enough - PROMISE THEM THE BRIDGE-TUNNEL COMBO TO SCOTLAND.TGOHF said:
Where are the men in grey suits that should be stepping in to tell May to step aside.MarqueeMark said:
The stakes certainly got upped yesterday, with a lot of Ministers - including in the Cabinet - putting their careers on the line. Those who rebelled will now see that if May succeeds, they will be out on their ear in a mahoosive reshuffle. And if Brexit fails, they will get deselected for their pains of being on the "winning" side.....TGOHF said:
Ministers are not sustaining a Conservative government as of last night.numbertwelve said:
We are rewriting the rulebook if Conservative MPs will not vote to sustain a Conservative government.Scott_P said:
The queen should step in soon.
Could May agreeing to step down get MV3 through ?
It's not like May is going to be cutting the bloody ribbon. She won't even be around when the first detailed costs are offered up, making her successor blanche at that many noughts......0 -
Political transactions are rarely so simple. It was repeated during the campaign that this would be it, no further votes. You don’t have the same conditions when ordering your drink.Ishmael_Z said:
I don't understand that argument. If I say, I'll have a pint of bitter, and I then say, *before the barman has started to pump the bitter, *, no make that Guinness, where is the sense in saying sorry, mate, you have to have the bitter first?RobD said:
More that the decision of the first one should be enacted first.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not terribly in favour of a second referendum, but why are Brexiteers so terrified of a second ref? I thought you have always said the will-o-the-people is with you?MarqueeMark said:
I wonder historically, how many other amendments with 127 signatories have not been selected by a Speaker?Floater said:Bercow is really shameless isn't he
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/bercow-refuses-select-cross-party-second-referendum-amendment-signed-127-mps/0
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