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I suppose one anti-immigration argument is that if you restrict immigration then it encourages investment in industrial capital to improve the productivity of the restricted labour available. I've read that argument in the economics pages of the Guardian.Sandpit said:
The only way the population is coming down is with massive investment in industrial capital to replace labour.OblitusSumMe said:
If preventing immigration is important enough to enough people then they can elect a government that will reduce immigration.The_Taxman said:Brexit may mean the UK "regains sovereignty" over immigration but that does not mean it is going to stop immigration. There are going to be some very unhappy people who voted for Brexit who will see immigrants from Europe replaced by those from the rest of the World, especially if the replacement immigrants follow different faiths and establish even more separatist diasporas.
Even in a No Deal Brexit due to demographic change the UK will require migrants to fill all manner of jobs. People retire, die or move to other better paying jobs all the time. It seems to me Brexit wrecks the economy and all the problems a divided society faces will just get worse as their is less money to address these problems.
One of the problems British politics has had for the past several years is that we have had a government that has made a public commitment to reduce net migration to < 100,000 - but the government have not taken the necessary steps to reduce immigration (or encourage emigration) to hit this target. All the while that net immigration from outside the EU was above 100,000 they hid behind the excuse of EU Freedom of Movement for not hitting their target.
If the UK does leave the EU (and the Single Market) then any government pledging to reduce immigration will no longer find it so easy to excuse its failures in this way. This will hopefully introduce some more honesty into the debate.0 -
Depends what the conclusions isGardenwalker said:
Presumably you believe the ongoing investigations by the Electoral Commission, the Culture Select Committee, and relatedly, the US Senate, are a waste of time, then.Brom said:
No, because I'm not bonkers and don't believe everything I read on twitter. If Russia was rigging polls they'd have put Corbyn in power. It worries me that both anti-semetic and Russia has ruined our democracy conspiracy theories are so commonplace on the fringes of our society.Gardenwalker said:
Do you think Russia interfered in the poll?Brom said:
Wow you are literally batshit mental. Your belief in conspiracy theories added to year distaste towards non EU immigration suggests you need to get out into the real world and talk to people. Not everything in life you disagree with is down to Putin, sometimes people just think differently to you. I really couldn't care less what Putin's views are on anything, like other Brits I'm capable of thinking for myself.Nigel_Foremain said:
I assume you believe the findings of the FBI that Moscow wishes to subvert western democratic processes a conspiracy eh? Not convenient to your belief that good old Uncle Vladimir couldn't possibly want to interfere? Well I guess naivete is the by-word for most Leave supporters. How does it feel to help support the foreign policy objectives of a hostile power? How very patriotic of you!Brom said:
Nurse Nurse! Carole Cadwalladr has a login!Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, but if it was in any way subverted it strengthens the case for another vote. Also, IF there is any truth in the allegations then hopefully the little toe rag will end up in jail and perhaps he will take the other of utensils of Putin with him.oxfordsimon said:
I am not sure why there is this obsession with Banks. Maybe there was dodgy financial goings on - in which case, report them to the proper authorities and let the legal process do what it needs to.Scott_P said:
But the referendum is not going to get overturned. No matter what they try to dig up.
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is/areRobD said:
Depends what the conclusions isGardenwalker said:
Presumably you believe the ongoing investigations by the Electoral Commission, the Culture Select Committee, and relatedly, the US Senate, are a waste of time, then.Brom said:
No, because I'm not bonkers and don't believe everything I read on twitter. If Russia was rigging polls they'd have put Corbyn in power. It worries me that both anti-semetic and Russia has ruined our democracy conspiracy theories are so commonplace on the fringes of our society.Gardenwalker said:
Do you think Russia interfered in the poll?Brom said:
Wow you are literally batshit mental. Your belief in conspiracy theories added to year distaste towards non EU immigration suggests you need to get out into the real world and talk to people. Not everything in life you disagree with is down to Putin, sometimes people just think differently to you. I really couldn't care less what Putin's views are on anything, like other Brits I'm capable of thinking for myself.Nigel_Foremain said:
I assume you believe the findings of the FBI that Moscow wishes to subvert western democratic processes a conspiracy eh? Not convenient to your belief that good old Uncle Vladimir couldn't possibly want to interfere? Well I guess naivete is the by-word for most Leave supporters. How does it feel to help support the foreign policy objectives of a hostile power? How very patriotic of you!Brom said:
Nurse Nurse! Carole Cadwalladr has a login!Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, but if it was in any way subverted it strengthens the case for another vote. Also, IF there is any truth in the allegations then hopefully the little toe rag will end up in jail and perhaps he will take the other of utensils of Putin with him.oxfordsimon said:
I am not sure why there is this obsession with Banks. Maybe there was dodgy financial goings on - in which case, report them to the proper authorities and let the legal process do what it needs to.Scott_P said:
But the referendum is not going to get overturned. No matter what they try to dig up.0 -
ThanksOldKingCole said:
is/areRobD said:
Depends what the conclusions isGardenwalker said:
Presumably you believe the ongoing investigations by the Electoral Commission, the Culture Select Committee, and relatedly, the US Senate, are a waste of time, then.Brom said:
No, because I'm not bonkers and don't believe everything I read on twitter. If Russia was rigging polls they'd have put Corbyn in power. It worries me that both anti-semetic and Russia has ruined our democracy conspiracy theories are so commonplace on the fringes of our society.Gardenwalker said:
Do you think Russia interfered in the poll?Brom said:
Wow you are literally batshit mental. Your belief in conspiracy theories added to year distaste towards non EU immigration suggests you need to get out into the real world and talk to people. Not everything in life you disagree with is down to Putin, sometimes people just think differently to you. I really couldn't care less what Putin's views are on anything, like other Brits I'm capable of thinking for myself.Nigel_Foremain said:
I assume you believe the findings of the FBI that Moscow wishes to subvert western democratic processes a conspiracy eh? Not convenient to your belief that good old Uncle Vladimir couldn't possibly want to interfere? Well I guess naivete is the by-word for most Leave supporters. How does it feel to help support the foreign policy objectives of a hostile power? How very patriotic of you!Brom said:
Nurse Nurse! Carole Cadwalladr has a login!Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, but if it was in any way subverted it strengthens the case for another vote. Also, IF there is any truth in the allegations then hopefully the little toe rag will end up in jail and perhaps he will take the other of utensils of Putin with him.oxfordsimon said:
I am not sure why there is this obsession with Banks. Maybe there was dodgy financial goings on - in which case, report them to the proper authorities and let the legal process do what it needs to.Scott_P said:
But the referendum is not going to get overturned. No matter what they try to dig up.
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I was speaking to someone the other day who reckoned Grayling is being kept around as the universal fall guy, and would probably get put in charge of implementing brexit if it happens...Brom said:
Hard to argue. Leadsom has excelled in recent months and Grayling has sunk. May really should get rid, though I guess she can't afford to lose any more allies.williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html
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Looking at Trading Economics that doesn't seem to have been the case in low immigration Japan.OblitusSumMe said:
I suppose one anti-immigration argument is that if you restrict immigration then it encourages investment in industrial capital to improve the productivity of the restricted labour available. I've read that argument in the economics pages of the Guardian.Sandpit said:
The only way the population is coming down is with massive investment in industrial capital to replace labour.OblitusSumMe said:
If preventing immigration is important enough to enough people then they can elect a government that will reduce immigration.The_Taxman said:Brexit may mean the UK "regains sovereignty" over immigration but that does not mean it is going to stop immigration. There are going to be some very unhappy people who voted for Brexit who will see immigrants from Europe replaced by those from the rest of the World, especially if the replacement immigrants follow different faiths and establish even more separatist diasporas.
Even in a No Deal Brexit due to demographic change the UK will require migrants to fill all manner of jobs. People retire, die or move to other better paying jobs all the time. It seems to me Brexit wrecks the economy and all the problems a divided society faces will just get worse as their is less money to address these problems.
One of the problems British politics has had for the past several years is that we have had a government that has made a public commitment to reduce net migration to < 100,000 - but the government have not taken the necessary steps to reduce immigration (or encourage emigration) to hit this target. All the while that net immigration from outside the EU was above 100,000 they hid behind the excuse of EU Freedom of Movement for not hitting their target.
If the UK does leave the EU (and the Single Market) then any government pledging to reduce immigration will no longer find it so easy to excuse its failures in this way. This will hopefully introduce some more honesty into the debate.
https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/productivity
The figures are much the same as UK, and sometimes lower.0 -
I have come across bullying in management by both men and women, and it is about power, not sexual politics.rcs1000 said:
And the bullies always have subordinates, who have no been on the sharp end of it, who will defend them as just strong and effective leaders.0 -
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html0 -
Been there, done that. SympathiseRobD said:
ThanksOldKingCole said:
is/areRobD said:
Depends what the conclusions isGardenwalker said:
Presumably you believe the ongoing investigations by the Electoral Commission, the Culture Select Committee, and relatedly, the US Senate, are a waste of time, then.Brom said:
No, because I'm not bonkers and don't believe everything I read on twitter. If Russia was rigging polls they'd have put Corbyn in power. It worries me that both anti-semetic and Russia has ruined our democracy conspiracy theories are so commonplace on the fringes of our society.Gardenwalker said:
Do you think Russia interfered in the poll?Brom said:
Wow you are literally batshit mental. Your belief in conspiracy theories added to year distaste towards non EU immigration suggests you need to get out into the real world and talk to people. Not everything in life you disagree with is down to Putin, sometimes people just think differently to you. I really couldn't care less what Putin's views are on anything, like other Brits I'm capable of thinking for myself.Nigel_Foremain said:
I assume you believe the findings of the FBI that Moscow wishes to subvert western democratic processes a conspiracy eh? Not convenient to your belief that good old Uncle Vladimir couldn't possibly want to interfere? Well I guess naivete is the by-word for most Leave supporters. How does it feel to help support the foreign policy objectives of a hostile power? How very patriotic of you!Brom said:
Nurse Nurse! Carole Cadwalladr has a login!Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, but if it was in any way subverted it strengthens the case for another vote. Also, IF there is any truth in the allegations then hopefully the little toe rag will end up in jail and perhaps he will take the other of utensils of Putin with him.oxfordsimon said:
I am not sure why there is this obsession with Banks. Maybe there was dodgy financial goings on - in which case, report them to the proper authorities and let the legal process do what it needs to.Scott_P said:
But the referendum is not going to get overturned. No matter what they try to dig up.
I blame my phone...0 -
I'm surprised he's still in a position to be included in the poll.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, I'm surprised Grayling's got such a high satisfaction rating.
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Will be interesting to see the change if the deal gets signed.Gardenwalker said:0 -
With the tiggers bringing forward the plan to become a full party as an apparant urgency having said 'end of the year' I'm predicting and anticipating sizable defections. I imagine Chuka has been told we'll come but only to a party that runs from now0
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Rank and file 'true' blue Tories... they don't like remainers in the main.Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html0 -
Mr. Dawning, economy doing fairly well, Hammond's pretty useless?0
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If you’re not a Hard Brexiter, the membership despise you. Ironic that Hammond was once a voice for Euroscepticism, but the shire jacobins demand purity above all.Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html
The most amazing thing about this poll is how badly May rates. One would think she deserves a “leadership bonus” from the membership but apparently not.0 -
Theresa May in hot pursuit though!Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html0 -
He's a Remainer who has been condemned as not falling wholeheartedly behind the one true Brexit faith - see also low ratings for Rudd, Clark and Gauke for I would guess similar reasons.Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html
How else do you explain a positive rating for Liam Fox?0 -
Re my post on defections, if the remaining waivers in labour aren't going now Corbyns interfering has come out they won't go, they are happy with the racism0
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Great company called Ynsect has just raised $100m to invest in mealworm farmsPulpstar said:
Interestingly weevils improve the calorific mix of bread... https://southcoastsun.co.za/113288/ate-weevils-will-okay/Anorak said:
Perhaps the Brexiteer hopes and dreams will only be realised when we return to a truly agrarian society, replete with rickets, scurvy, and weevils in the bread.Gardenwalker said:
To be fair, Patrick Minford - Brexit’s preferred economist - did suggest that the auto industry would close down. However he said this would be a good thing.ExiledInScotland said:
Correct. We can expect most Japanese and Korean manufacturing to leave the UK anyway. International shipping is so cheap that it makes no financial sense to stay.RobD said:
But then why out of Turkey, too? Suspect the EU FTA has more to do with it. No longer need plants in the customs union.The_Taxman said:
Honda closing? They were not going to say it is because the UK has chosen this path because they still want to sell cars in the future.MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if one day we MIGHT see a Brexit Bad story where MIGHT doesn't do an almighty large amount of heavy lifting?williamglenn said:
The reason why "might" is still used is because we have not left the EU yet. Once all these jobs and industries have closed for good in a hard Brexit it will be a bit late to start thinking they were not joking.
I'm reluctantly concluding a second referendum might be needed too though.
Mealworms - protein of the future 😂0 -
In Tories are crap news, Teresa's ridiculous insistence that dead kids are nothing to do with her police cuts is probably the worst judged intervention this year. It is.0
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Sorry to hear thatMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bitter wind blowing.
What’s the weather like?0 -
Brexit will fuck all manner of service exports.
https://twitter.com/benshepherdecon/status/1102852462602522624?s=21
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The above is true but he has also failed to produce a budget that did not have immediate negative consequences and is seem not have dealt with the rates issue for small businesses and is seen as a tax riser not a tax reducer.OblitusSumMe said:
He's a Remainer who has been condemned as not falling wholeheartedly behind the one true Brexit faith - see also low ratings for Rudd, Clark and Gauke for I would guess similar reasons.Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html
How else do you explain a positive rating for Liam Fox?0 -
I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply given by the Spartans to Philip of MacedonRobD said:
Will be interesting to see the change if the deal gets signed.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Yes, though the later M4 and especially British one with the 17 pounder gun was much much betterOldKingCole said:
Didn't the Germans call the ones we used in N. Africa 'Tommy cookers" because they blew up so easily and escape was nigh-on impossible?malcolmg said:
Allied ones look crap, the Germans had the most stylish and best tanks, do a compare of a sherman v jagdpanther.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Why a Nazi tank rather than an Allied one?Theuniondivvie said:
My nerdy sense caught you.viewcode said:
[ Response deleted as excessively nerdy]Anorak said:
Only if you use it to buy a tank.malcolmg said:
Fools and their money are easy parted. If anyone wishes to send me their life savings I promise to look after them very well.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
"Mystery as Quadriga crypto-cash goes missing"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47454528
One of my (many) guilty pleasures is Combat Dealers, I believe they're aiming to restore or reconstruct a Jagdpanther, of which I wholly approve.0 -
The deal's been on the table since November. Do you think parliament passing it will make people think it's the right deal?RobD said:
Will be interesting to see the change if the deal gets signed.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Islamophobia STORM ! https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1102950944029974528
Antisemitism CHAOS ! https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1102592781409808387
Will anyone remember Tim Farron's gay sin remarks though :I ?0 -
That is an astonishing figure.OblitusSumMe said:
He's a Remainer who has been condemned as not falling wholeheartedly behind the one true Brexit faith - see also low ratings for Rudd, Clark and Gauke for I would guess similar reasons.Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html
How else do you explain a positive rating for Liam Fox?
Maybe they thought they were voting for Fox Hunting?0 -
I went green on Leadsom after a piece by Iain Dale the other day saying how she had improved in the leader of house job. Dark horse he reckoned.Stark_Dawning said:
Astonishing that Hammond is behind only Grayling in the hated stakes. Yet the Tories are always telling us how fabulous the economy's doing (in spite of Brexit). What gives?williamglenn said:Is everyone green on Leadsom for Leader?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/leadsom-climbs-to-the-top-spot-in-our-cabinet-league-table.html0 -
The halcyon days of God says no bum bumPulpstar said:Islamophobia STORM ! https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1102950944029974528
Antisemitism CHAOS ! https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1102592781409808387
Will anyone remember Tim Farron's gay sin remarks though :I ?0 -
Very nice, I am taking grandson to Munster tank museum early April. Bovington Tank Fest each year in September is great day out , it was all the German tanks this year, brilliant.Foxy said:
The Panthers and Tigers have a certain style, but the average PanzerKamfwagen much less so.malcolmg said:
Allied ones look crap, the Germans had the most stylish and best tanks, do a compare of a sherman v jagdpanther.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Why a Nazi tank rather than an Allied one?Theuniondivvie said:
My nerdy sense caught you.viewcode said:
[ Response deleted as excessively nerdy]Anorak said:
Only if you use it to buy a tank.malcolmg said:
Fools and their money are easy parted. If anyone wishes to send me their life savings I promise to look after them very well.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
"Mystery as Quadriga crypto-cash goes missing"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47454528
One of my (many) guilty pleasures is Combat Dealers, I believe they're aiming to restore or reconstruct a Jagdpanther, of which I wholly approve.
Personally I rather enjoy the Soviet SU series, there is a fine SU 100 at the St Petersburg Artillary museum, which I took in while at the World Cup, and free of Mrs Foxy's idea of suitable sightseeing.
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Because they will have achieved the wishes of roughly half those polled- to leave.williamglenn said:
The deal's been on the table since November. Do you think parliament passing it will make people think it's the right deal?RobD said:
Will be interesting to see the change if the deal gets signed.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Taking Dr F's point above about running on petrol, did the later ones run on diesel?malcolmg said:
Yes, though the later M4 and especially British one with the 17 pounder gun was much much betterOldKingCole said:
Didn't the Germans call the ones we used in N. Africa 'Tommy cookers" because they blew up so easily and escape was nigh-on impossible?malcolmg said:
Allied ones look crap, the Germans had the most stylish and best tanks, do a compare of a sherman v jagdpanther.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Why a Nazi tank rather than an Allied one?Theuniondivvie said:
My nerdy sense caught you.viewcode said:
[ Response deleted as excessively nerdy]Anorak said:
Only if you use it to buy a tank.malcolmg said:
Fools and their money are easy parted. If anyone wishes to send me their life savings I promise to look after them very well.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
"Mystery as Quadriga crypto-cash goes missing"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47454528
One of my (many) guilty pleasures is Combat Dealers, I believe they're aiming to restore or reconstruct a Jagdpanther, of which I wholly approve.0 -
Chuka simply has to register Party McPartyface with the EC0
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Let’s call the claim that it’s impossible to reduce immigration for economic reasons what it is: a lie. The East Asian countries prove that’s not the case.
We continue to have high immigration because no-one in government has the political will to enact policies that will reduce it to the target level. Crucially, nothing is done about an increasingly activist judiciary that is emboldened to sabotage almost any moves to tighten conditions. We face the same issue with welfare reform.0 -
Is this the UK, or Northern Ireland?Gardenwalker said:Brexit will fuck all manner of service exports.
https://twitter.com/benshepherdecon/status/1102852462602522624?s=21
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Have you not picked up on the substantial number of Leavers who think the deal is a betrayal of Brexit? If leaving the EU was what they wanted, it would be easy.RobD said:
Because they will have achieved the wishes of roughly half those polled- to leave.williamglenn said:
The deal's been on the table since November. Do you think parliament passing it will make people think it's the right deal?RobD said:
Will be interesting to see the change if the deal gets signed.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Someone does need to turn Wickham's hyperbole knob down a bit. He keeps going to 11. It gets tiresome.Pulpstar said:Islamophobia STORM ! https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1102950944029974528
Antisemitism CHAOS ! https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1102592781409808387
Will anyone remember Tim Farron's gay sin remarks though :I ?
Yes 14 is a significant number - but it is not a storm. Warsi's contribution to British politics has never been top notch - I am surprised anyone takes note of anything she says these days.
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Solution: move immigration and asylum policy to the European level.RoyalBlue said:We continue to have high immigration because no-one in government has the political will to enact policies that will reduce it to the target level. Crucially, nothing is done about an increasingly activist judiciary that is emboldened to sabotage almost any moves to tighten conditions. We face the same issue with welfare reform.
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A vocal minoritywilliamglenn said:
Have you not picked up on the substantial number of Leavers who think the deal is a betrayal of Brexit? If leaving the EU was what they wanted, it would be easy.RobD said:
Because they will have achieved the wishes of roughly half those polled- to leave.williamglenn said:
The deal's been on the table since November. Do you think parliament passing it will make people think it's the right deal?RobD said:
Will be interesting to see the change if the deal gets signed.Gardenwalker said: 0 -
She ought to be pleased that the Conservative Party has moved to discipline them.oxfordsimon said:
Someone does need to turn Wickham's hyperbole knob down a bit. He keeps going to 11. It gets tiresome.Pulpstar said:Islamophobia STORM ! https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1102950944029974528
Antisemitism CHAOS ! https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1102592781409808387
Will anyone remember Tim Farron's gay sin remarks though :I ?
Yes 14 is a significant number - but it is not a storm. Warsi's contribution to British politics has never been top notch - I am surprised anyone takes note of anything she says these days.0 -
I don't think they did, though as it went on the superior numbers and air and artillery support helped a lot.OldKingCole said:
Taking Dr F's point above about running on petrol, did the later ones run on diesel?malcolmg said:
Yes, though the later M4 and especially British one with the 17 pounder gun was much much betterOldKingCole said:
Didn't the Germans call the ones we used in N. Africa 'Tommy cookers" because they blew up so easily and escape was nigh-on impossible?malcolmg said:
Allied ones look crap, the Germans had the most stylish and best tanks, do a compare of a sherman v jagdpanther.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Why a Nazi tank rather than an Allied one?Theuniondivvie said:
My nerdy sense caught you.viewcode said:
[ Response deleted as excessively nerdy]Anorak said:
Only if you use it to buy a tank.malcolmg said:
Fools and their money are easy parted. If anyone wishes to send me their life savings I promise to look after them very well.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
"Mystery as Quadriga crypto-cash goes missing"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47454528
One of my (many) guilty pleasures is Combat Dealers, I believe they're aiming to restore or reconstruct a Jagdpanther, of which I wholly approve.0 -
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Mongolian airline MIAT = Maybe It'll Arrive Tomorrow?CarlottaVance said:
GARUDA = Good And Reliable Under Dutch AdministrationSunil_Prasannan said:
BOAC = Better On A Camel?CarlottaVance said:
They're great fun! One of my earliest flights was on a BEA Vanguard (when everyone dressed in their "Sunday Best" to fly....)Anorak said:
Have you seen the lovely paint jobs that BA are doing for the 100th anniversary.
https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/1102500149354524672
https://twitter.com/HeathrowAirport/status/1102101424731758592
TWA = Try Walking Across
SABENA = Such A Bloody Experience Never Again
QANTAS = Queens And Nymphomaniacs To Australia0 -
BA = Bloody Awfulsarissa said:
Mongolian airline MIAT = Maybe It'll Arrive Tomorrow?CarlottaVance said:
GARUDA = Good And Reliable Under Dutch AdministrationSunil_Prasannan said:
BOAC = Better On A Camel?CarlottaVance said:
They're great fun! One of my earliest flights was on a BEA Vanguard (when everyone dressed in their "Sunday Best" to fly....)Anorak said:
Have you seen the lovely paint jobs that BA are doing for the 100th anniversary.
https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/1102500149354524672
https://twitter.com/HeathrowAirport/status/1102101424731758592
TWA = Try Walking Across
SABENA = Such A Bloody Experience Never Again
QANTAS = Queens And Nymphomaniacs To Australia0 -
I will bet you all the money in my pocket against all the money in my pocket that it will discriminate on country of origin, whether directly or indirectly.RobD said:
The new system will be inherently fairer though. No discrimination based on country of origin.Nigel_Foremain said:
A fair point Mr D, though we will always have immigrants, and the point was that many people say that the Brexit vote was a vote against immigration, nobody has really reflected that we did always have "control" over 50% of it. Economic meltdown will be one way of reducing it of course, though it may have a delayed effect!RobD said:
Wait, I thought Brexit was good to destroy the economy, in which case there would be no demand for immigrant labour?Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. 50% of our immigration comes from outside the EU. Completely within the ability of government to be controlled, but not reduced. The immigration argument is the biggest lie (and boy there have been some whoppers) of the pro-Leave lobby.The_Taxman said:
Brexit may mean the UK "regains sovereignty" over immigration but that does not mean it is going to stop immigration. There are going to be some very unhappy people who voted for Brexit who will see immigrants from Europe replaced by those from the rest of the World, especially if the replacement immigrants follow different faiths and establish even more separatist diasporas.Gardenwalker said:At the end of the day, Brexit creates trade friction with by far our biggest market.
At the margin, according to all known economic theory except perhaps that taught in North Korea, this will reduce trading activity and both economic activity and jobs will reduce as a result.
The harder the Brexit, the bigger these effects.
It will be difficult to take any particular anecdote of say a factory closing down and attribute it solely to Brexit. It is in aggregate where the effects will be seen, along the with the effects of ongoing uncertainty since 2016.
Obviously there is a trade off to be made. It is reasonable enough I suppose to say that this is a cost worth paying in order to regain sovereignty over immigration.
What makes you look stupid is when you deny there is any cost to be paid at all. It is surprising this is still a debating point.
Even in a No Deal Brexit due to demographic change the UK will require migrants to fill all manner of jobs. People retire, die or move to other better paying jobs all the time. It seems to me Brexit wrecks the economy and all the problems a divided society faces will just get worse as their is less money to address these problems.0 -
Why would Russia put Corbyn in power? They haven't been anywhere near Communist for quite a while now. All they needed to do was detach the Brits from the Germans so that when they retake the Baltic's and whatever bits of Central Europe they can get, the Germans will be too weak to stop them. Theresa is doing a perfectly good job all by herself without shoehorning Corbyn in.Brom said:
No, because I'm not bonkers and don't believe everything I read on twitter. If Russia was rigging polls they'd have put Corbyn in power. It worries me that both anti-semetic and Russia has ruined our democracy conspiracy theories are so commonplace on the fringes of our society.Gardenwalker said:
Do you think Russia interfered in the poll?Brom said:
Wow you are literally batshit mental. Your belief in conspiracy theories added to year distaste towards non EU immigration suggests you need to get out into the real world and talk to people. Not everything in life you disagree with is down to Putin, sometimes people just think differently to you. I really couldn't care less what Putin's views are on anything, like other Brits I'm capable of thinking for myself.Nigel_Foremain said:
I assume you believe the findings of the FBI that Moscow wishes to subvert western democratic processes a conspiracy eh? Not convenient to your belief that good old Uncle Vladimir couldn't possibly want to interfere? Well I guess naivete is the by-word for most Leave supporters. How does it feel to help support the foreign policy objectives of a hostile power? How very patriotic of you!Brom said:
Nurse Nurse! Carole Cadwalladr has a login!Nigel_Foremain said:
Yes, but if it was in any way subverted it strengthens the case for another vote. Also, IF there is any truth in the allegations then hopefully the little toe rag will end up in jail and perhaps he will take the other of utensils of Putin with him.oxfordsimon said:
I am not sure why there is this obsession with Banks. Maybe there was dodgy financial goings on - in which case, report them to the proper authorities and let the legal process do what it needs to.Scott_P said:
But the referendum is not going to get overturned. No matter what they try to dig up.0 -
I think it’s clear that most of the Tory membership are lunatics.
The fact this bunch will be choosing the next PM should worry most sane people .0 -
It assumes that the place where one lives is also the place where one interacts with people. That isn't true, as every town has its commuters who spend all day somewhere else.. It would be a good idea if he could repeat his analysis for workplace instead of abode.CarlottaVance said:Interesting thread...
https://twitter.com/JamesKanag/status/11029043475565281300 -
Speak for yourself.nico67 said:I think it’s clear that most of the Tory membership are lunatics.
The fact this bunch will be choosing the next PM should worry most sane people .
Bahhhhhh.0
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