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The overnight YouGov poll giving the Conservatives an 11% lead was the worst for LAB since the 2017 general election. I like to look at polls in context which is why above there there is the full Wikipedia list of all GB voting intention polls this year.
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First like leave with no deal.0
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Second like Leave0
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Labour are all over the place this morning. Tom Watson trying to deal with it by looks of things. Talking about "sovereignty of the current shadow cabinet."
Who is actually running Labour this morning?0 -
Unlike 2017, Labour can't now keep its coalition of Remainers and Leavers together. As we are seeing from the anger of Labour-Leave seat MPs.
Plus there are plenty of folk in 2017 who lent their vote to Labour. Before it was exposed as a cesspit of anti-semitism. OGH, for exapmle. (Although to be fair, Corbyn's strong showing on the back of borrowed votes has emboldened these leftist anti-semites to crawl out the woodwork.)0 -
No, that should be of no consolation to Labour at all.
Not least because people being asked now know how they voted last time, whereas when they were asked in 2017 they didn't yet know how the campaign would unfold. People don't re-set to how they were thinking before an election once polls close.0 -
Who is actually running Labour this morning is just a minor skirmish in the larger battle: who will be running Labour in the future.rottenborough said:Labour are all over the place this morning. Tom Watson trying to deal with it by looks of things. Talking about "sovereignty of the current shadow cabinet."
Who is actually running Labour this morning?
Let's hope it's the sane brigade rather than the anti-Semites and those who excuse the anti-Semites ...0 -
Yeah we know what happened - Labour ended up 55 seats behind the Tories. Remember, seats matter, not votes!0
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Labour all over the place; Conservatives all over the place; Brexit all over the place.rottenborough said:Labour are all over the place this morning. Tom Watson trying to deal with it by looks of things. Talking about "sovereignty of the current shadow cabinet."
Who is actually running Labour this morning?
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Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
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Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.0 -
Mr. Blue, entirely agree. The media scrutiny alone must put off a large number of people who'd do a better job than the likes of Corbyn, May, Grayling, or Abbott.0
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I fear we're going to be faced with lots of interviews where she says she's been hard done by, that she did nothing wrong in the first place, how she has been let down by others, and how she's the victim in all this ...DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
Corbyn has lost control of the narrative. It seems that the fear factor that has held MPs back for the last two years is, for the moment at least, lifting. Whether this is permanent or not remains to be seen. But if the non-Unite unions are turning against the leadership it will be very hard for the Morning Star Brexiteers to restore the dominant position they had before the TIGs left.rottenborough said:Labour are all over the place this morning. Tom Watson trying to deal with it by looks of things. Talking about "sovereignty of the current shadow cabinet."
Who is actually running Labour this morning?
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MPs are underpaid and under-resourced.RoyalBlue said:FPT
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
That said, it is hard to credit the lack of professionalism and even intellectual curiosity to produce recent gaffes like: not knowing Dover is on the way to France; thinking Slovenia was run from Moscow; not knowing about Nationalists and Loyalists in Northern Ireland.
And that is betting without those who've spent decades campaigning to leave the EU without ever wondering what life outside should look like.
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Heh. I'm glad I travelled on that line several times last week, not this one.tlg86 said:Here's what messed up @SandyRentool's day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47360722
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OK, so we have a Tory PM struggling to get the Tory Brexit through parliament and drifting towards having to make a politically fiendish choice between No Deal, accept Labour Brexit policy, offer REF2 or call a GE. All of which are great for Labour. Meaning surely that Labour sit on their hands and let things unfold. It is not their problem after all. Brexit is Tory and the Tories are Brexit. It's a Tory mess. Why on earth offer lifelines.
And yet Labour have done so by supporting REF2 without a GE. Instead of making sure that the only way to get another referendum is via a Labour government, this opens up the possibility of TM being forced into it and able to stay on, blaming the 'betrayal' of REF1 on the opposition.
Crazy politics from Labour, albeit not a surprise. Why have they done it? Why are they acting in the national interest rather than for narrow partisan advantage? The answer, needless to say, is that Jeremy has been bullied into it. No party leader, not even Britain's finest, puts the national interest over their own if they can possibly help it. He has done this to stem rebellion amongst the group of Labour MPs for whom remaining in the EU is far more important than replacing a Tory government with a Labour one. The size of this group is JC's biggest problem. Far bigger than his negative poll ratings. He needs to do something about it.0 -
I fear we are going to see her voting on Brexit.JosiasJessop said:
I fear we're going to be faced with lots of interviews where she says she's been hard done by, that she did nothing wrong in the first place, how she has been let down by others, and how she's the victim in all this ...DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47369669
Maybe she'll join the TIGs first.....0 -
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
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How long does Fi have to appeal?DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47369669
This is strange:
She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice in December.
The solicitor general reviewed the sentence after a complaint it was too lenient, but found it was not.
The MP was found guilty of lying to police about a speeding ticket and handed a three-month jail term at the Old Bailey in January.
The attorney general's office confirmed it would be reviewing the case after it "received a request for the case of Fiona Onasanya to be considered under the unduly lenient sentence scheme".
I thought reviews were limited to the likes of rape and murder.
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A GE election great for Labour? Run that one by me again.....kinabalu said:OK, so we have a Tory PM struggling to get the Tory Brexit through parliament and drifting towards having to make a politically fiendish choice between No Deal, accept Labour Brexit policy, offer REF2 or call a GE. All of which are great for Labour. Meaning surely that Labour sit on their hands and let things unfold. It is not their problem after all. Brexit is Tory and the Tories are Brexit. It's a Tory mess. Why on earth offer lifelines.
And yet Labour have done so by supporting REF2 without a GE. Instead of making sure that the only way to get another referendum is via a Labour government, this opens up the possibility of TM being forced into it and able to stay on, blaming the 'betrayal' of REF1 on the opposition.
Crazy politics from Labour, albeit not a surprise. Why have they done it? Why are they acting in the national interest rather than for narrow partisan advantage? The answer, needless to say, is that Jeremy has been bullied into it. No party leader, not even Britain's finest, puts the national interest over their own if they can possibly help it. He has done this to stem rebellion amongst the group of Labour MPs for whom remaining in the EU is far more important than replacing a Tory government with a Labour one. The size of this group is JC's biggest problem. Far bigger than his negative poll ratings. He needs to do something about it.0 -
No contingency plans to remove or relieve passengers. The SoS should demand ... oh, hold on, it's him isn't it.tlg86 said:Here's what messed up @SandyRentool's day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47360722
Anyone looking for a use for the internet of things could note foreign railways (and perhaps our own) using internet connected remote sensors to monitor trains and rail infrastructure.
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Both major party leaders have lost all semblance of control over their MPs. That is extraordinary.0
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https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1100307168530706432MarqueeMark said:Unlike 2017, Labour can't now keep its coalition of Remainers and Leavers together. As we are seeing from the anger of Labour-Leave seat MPs.
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/11003213932065341440 -
With a basic salary package some way north of £100k, plus all the extra responsibility, redundancy etc payments and gewgaws, that claim is a bit of a stretch, John.DecrepitJohnL said:
MPs are underpaid and under-resourced.RoyalBlue said:FPT
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
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What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.0
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For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
We are back to Labour having no policy on Brexit. (Schrödingers Brexit is not a policy).rottenborough said:Labour are all over the place this morning. Tom Watson trying to deal with it by looks of things. Talking about "sovereignty of the current shadow cabinet."
Who is actually running Labour this morning?0 -
I'm sat on a global conference call, I can't hear the person from Germany due to a poor quality line but the person I can hear the person from Nigeria perfectly...0
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The problem at the heart of the system of MPs is that the high opportunity cost you mention only applies to one sub-category of would-be politicians.RoyalBlue said:FPT
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
Let's take two fantastic candidates:
Public School + Oxbridge + lawyer = high opportunity cost
Bog standard comp + technical college or apprenticeship + Union convener = low opportunity cost0 -
It's the North, innit. Failing doesn't give a .......DecrepitJohnL said:
No contingency plans to remove or relieve passengers. The SoS should demand ... oh, hold on, it's him isn't it.tlg86 said:Here's what messed up @SandyRentool's day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47360722
Anyone looking for a use for the internet of things could note foreign railways (and perhaps our own) using internet connected remote sensors to monitor trains and rail infrastructure.0 -
A warning for those who expect Mueller to indict Trump:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/us/politics/andrew-goldstein-mueller-investigation.html
“He was very much measure 10 times, cut once,” said Kan M. Nawaday, a prosecutor who worked with Mr. Goldstein in the corruption unit. “Nine times out of 10, you do a lot of investigation, and you realize the conduct is pretty terrible and foul. But since you’re here to do justice, it isn’t a crime, and you walk away.”…
…Now that Mr. Mueller’s work could soon be public, Mr. Goldstein’s record, Mr. Bharara said, is a reminder of what the investigation’s limits might be.
“You want to have people who have had experience not only bringing high-profile cases, but in walking away from them because it’s the right thing to do,” he said. “The fact that you have a person who’s comfortable saying there’s nothing here, even though there’s a lot of clamor for it, is exactly the kind of person you want.”0 -
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On Fiona Onsanya, did she get 3 points and a fixed penalty notice? Or does she get away with it?0
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Corrected it for you!DecrepitJohnL said:
Scientists are underpaid and under-resourced.RoyalBlue said:FPT
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
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Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
Yeah, because railways are definitely something we want to let terrorists hack into and take control of.DecrepitJohnL said:
No contingency plans to remove or relieve passengers. The SoS should demand ... oh, hold on, it's him isn't it.tlg86 said:Here's what messed up @SandyRentool's day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47360722
Anyone looking for a use for the internet of things could note foreign railways (and perhaps our own) using internet connected remote sensors to monitor trains and rail infrastructure.0 -
Urrrm, may I ask what you're referring to wrt Internet of Tat monitoring trains?DecrepitJohnL said:
No contingency plans to remove or relieve passengers. The SoS should demand ... oh, hold on, it's him isn't it.tlg86 said:Here's what messed up @SandyRentool's day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47360722
Anyone looking for a use for the internet of things could note foreign railways (and perhaps our own) using internet connected remote sensors to monitor trains and rail infrastructure.0 -
But on the Scottish point there is already a Left of Centre Remain party there - the one that Labour need to take seats away from. Moving to a Remain position this late in the day is unlikely to draw any of those Remain voters away from an established and consistently Remain supporting party.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1100307168530706432MarqueeMark said:Unlike 2017, Labour can't now keep its coalition of Remainers and Leavers together. As we are seeing from the anger of Labour-Leave seat MPs.
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/11003213932065341440 -
As was the case all along Brexit will only implode if the ERG overplay their hand. I expect a climb down with some warm words from the EU and a thumping speech from the AG Cox providing the suitable ladder .
Game over for the ERG .0 -
Tell their MPs, Rob. They are the ones pissed off... One assumes they know rather more about their electorates than you?Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1100307168530706432MarqueeMark said:Unlike 2017, Labour can't now keep its coalition of Remainers and Leavers together. As we are seeing from the anger of Labour-Leave seat MPs.
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/11003213932065341440 -
What reason is there not to attempt to pervert the course of justice with punishments like that?DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
Doesn't, from Wikipedia, look as though she got a penalty. Of course they might well not have recorded a fixed penalty.tlg86 said:On Fiona Onsanya, did she get 3 points and a fixed penalty notice? Or does she get away with it?
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It may be too late.nico67 said:As was the case all along Brexit will only implode if the ERG overplay their hand. I expect a climb down with some warm words from the EU and a thumping speech from the AG Cox providing the suitable ladder .
Game over for the ERG .
Imagine you're a Conservative MP who voted Remain in the referendum and reluctantly voted for the deal. In fact, let's put some names on this - Paul Masterton and Antoinette Sandbach, for example. You did your duty in January. You made it clear that you were doing this to honour the referendum mandate. But your ERG colleagues decided to shoot the whole thing down.
You now have a new option - to approve the deal, contingent on a referendum being held to ratify it. If that's what it takes to get this whole process over the line, might you take it?
I think if I were them I might.0 -
Mr. Observer, we live in extraordinary times.
Again.
It's not that long ago we had a financial crisis and the worst recession in British history.0 -
If a solicitor is convicted of an offence they should self-report. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice so has (pending appeal) clearly breached the first listed of the SRA Code of Conduct principles to "uphold the rule of law and the proper administration of justice" which is a ground for self-reporting under the Code of Conduct. She won't have done so yet as to do so would prejudice her appeal against the conviction. I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
Who steals my purse steals trash. Who steals my good name......Philip_Thompson said:
What reason is there not to attempt to pervert the course of justice with punishments like that?DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47369669
And her good name has probably gone for ever. Political career, legal career etc.
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If she had just taken the points. I got my first and only fixed penalty 3 days after starting my training contract - when I called the Law Society (before the SRA took over regulation) practically in tears the guy on the end of the line almost burst out laughing, essentially saying that if they took action against every solicitor with a driving infraction we wouldn't have a legal profession.DougSeal said:
If a solicitor is convicted of an offence they should self-report. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice so has (pending appeal) clearly breached the first listed of the SRA Code of Conduct principles to "uphold the rule of law and the proper administration of justice" which is a ground for self-reporting under the Code of Conduct. She won't have done so yet as to do so would prejudice her appeal against the conviction. I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-473696690 -
Here's a non-working solicitor who was struck off last November, for badmouthing the SRA, and several offences - drunk driving, drug possession etc. I really can't tell whether for a solicitor's professional position that is more or less serious than offenses of dishonesty on oath.
A solicitor who embarked on a foul-mouthed email tirade against the Solicitors Regulation Authority, former colleagues and third parties has been banned from the legal profession.
Luke Stephen Venton, 39, also ran up three separate convictions from 2014 to 2017 for drink-driving, possession of cannabis and possession of a knife in a public place. He was alleged to have failed to notify the SRA about the first two of these convictions. He has not worked as a solicitor since November 2015.
The Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal heard Venton responded to one SRA notification of a fine and rebuke that the regulator could ‘stick your adjudication invoice up you’re [sic] a**e you f*****g w****r’.
Asked to explain his response and language, he emailed the SRA supervisor and stated: ‘Here’s another one for you, you f*****g bent c**t(s). The SRA will never regulate me and that is it.’ Venton then threatened to bin any future adjudication invoice before signing off: ‘F*****g w****r – f**k off! Regards, Luke.’
The SRA opted on this occasion to take no further action, but emails continued with the regulator either the main recipient or copied into correspondence with other solicitors and third parties.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sweary-solicitor-who-told-the-sra-you-will-never-regulate-me-is-struck-off/5068373.article0 -
Getting rid of Black Strafford didn't work out too well for Charles I, as Jeremy Corbyn will no doubt remember.CarlottaVance said:0 -
"The stretched twig of peace is at melting point...."CarlottaVance said:
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Perverting the course of justice is about as serious as it gets for an officer of the court. As I say below, it breaches the first principle of the Code of Conduct to uphold the administration of justice. If this gets to the SDT if/when her appeal is turned down then she's gone.MattW said:Here's a non-working solicitor who was struck off last November, for badmouthing the SRA, and several offences - drunk driving, drug possession etc. I really can't tell whether for a solicitor's professional position that is more or less serious than offenses of dishonesty on oath.
A solicitor who embarked on a foul-mouthed email tirade against the Solicitors Regulation Authority, former colleagues and third parties has been banned from the legal profession.
Luke Stephen Venton, 39, also ran up three separate convictions from 2014 to 2017 for drink-driving, possession of cannabis and possession of a knife in a public place. He was alleged to have failed to notify the SRA about the first two of these convictions. He has not worked as a solicitor since November 2015.
The Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal heard Venton responded to one SRA notification of a fine and rebuke that the regulator could ‘stick your adjudication invoice up you’re [sic] a**e you f*****g w****r’.
Asked to explain his response and language, he emailed the SRA supervisor and stated: ‘Here’s another one for you, you f*****g bent c**t(s). The SRA will never regulate me and that is it.’ Venton then threatened to bin any future adjudication invoice before signing off: ‘F*****g w****r – f**k off! Regards, Luke.’
The SRA opted on this occasion to take no further action, but emails continued with the regulator either the main recipient or copied into correspondence with other solicitors and third parties.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sweary-solicitor-who-told-the-sra-you-will-never-regulate-me-is-struck-off/5068373.article0 -
Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .
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The General Pharmaceutical Council takes a much tougher line with people who don't tell them about such things than with those who doDougSeal said:
If she had just taken the points. I got my first and only fixed penalty 3 days after starting my training contract - when I called the Law Society (before the SRA took over regulation) practically in tears the guy on the end of the line almost burst out laughing, essentially saying that if they took action against every solicitor with a driving infraction we wouldn't have a legal profession.DougSeal said:
If a solicitor is convicted of an offence they should self-report. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice so has (pending appeal) clearly breached the first listed of the SRA Code of Conduct principles to "uphold the rule of law and the proper administration of justice" which is a ground for self-reporting under the Code of Conduct. She won't have done so yet as to do so would prejudice her appeal against the conviction. I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47369669
And Fiona Onsanya serves about the same proportion of her sentence behind bars as Chris Huhne and Vicky Price. Two months out of eight..0 -
You might just be overrating Corbyn's historical expertise ?AlastairMeeks said:
Getting rid of Black Strafford didn't work out too well for Charles I, as Jeremy Corbyn will no doubt remember.CarlottaVance said:
Cambridge educated Yorkshireman, btw.0 -
But the case history was that there had been multiple points sent to that address, each time the driver was named as someone abroad and uncontactable. This time they got lucky and managed to contact the named driver. Therefore, rightly, they decided to act.DougSeal said:
If she had just taken the points. I got my first and only fixed penalty 3 days after starting my training contract - when I called the Law Society (before the SRA took over regulation) practically in tears the guy on the end of the line almost burst out laughing, essentially saying that if they took action against every solicitor with a driving infraction we wouldn't have a legal profession.DougSeal said:
If a solicitor is convicted of an offence they should self-report. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice so has (pending appeal) clearly breached the first listed of the SRA Code of Conduct principles to "uphold the rule of law and the proper administration of justice" which is a ground for self-reporting under the Code of Conduct. She won't have done so yet as to do so would prejudice her appeal against the conviction. I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
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Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Observer, we live in extraordinary times.
Again.
It's not that long ago we had a financial crisis and the worst recession in British history.
Records are made to be broken...0 -
The 'Regards' was a nice touch.MattW said:Here's a non-working solicitor who was struck off last November, for badmouthing the SRA, and several offences - drunk driving, drug possession etc. I really can't tell whether for a solicitor's professional position that is more or less serious than offenses of dishonesty on oath.
A solicitor who embarked on a foul-mouthed email tirade against the Solicitors Regulation Authority, former colleagues and third parties has been banned from the legal profession.
Luke Stephen Venton, 39, also ran up three separate convictions from 2014 to 2017 for drink-driving, possession of cannabis and possession of a knife in a public place. He was alleged to have failed to notify the SRA about the first two of these convictions. He has not worked as a solicitor since November 2015.
The Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal heard Venton responded to one SRA notification of a fine and rebuke that the regulator could ‘stick your adjudication invoice up you’re [sic] a**e you f*****g w****r’.
Asked to explain his response and language, he emailed the SRA supervisor and stated: ‘Here’s another one for you, you f*****g bent c**t(s). The SRA will never regulate me and that is it.’ Venton then threatened to bin any future adjudication invoice before signing off: ‘F*****g w****r – f**k off! Regards, Luke.’
The SRA opted on this occasion to take no further action, but emails continued with the regulator either the main recipient or copied into correspondence with other solicitors and third parties.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sweary-solicitor-who-told-the-sra-you-will-never-regulate-me-is-struck-off/5068373.article0 -
Not really. It could easily be a short term gain for long term torment as the balance of power shifts and encourages factionalism.Nigelb said:
Well the next set of opinion polls should demonstrate whether the Corbyn U-turn was successful.nico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .0 -
Yup, or vice versa. We're not quite into the endgame.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Not really. It could easily be a short term gain for long term torment as the balance of power shifts and encourages factionalism.Nigelb said:
Well the next set of opinion polls should demonstrate whether the Corbyn U-turn was successful.nico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .0 -
Wasn't the conviction for perverting the course because she said someone else was driving on a single occasion though? If she had just coughed up to that one fine she would certainly have been in a lot less bother than she ended up in.IanB2 said:
But the case history was that there had been multiple points sent to that address, each time the driver was named as someone abroad and uncontactable. This time they got lucky and managed to contact the named driver. Therefore, rightly, they decided to act.DougSeal said:
If she had just taken the points. I got my first and only fixed penalty 3 days after starting my training contract - when I called the Law Society (before the SRA took over regulation) practically in tears the guy on the end of the line almost burst out laughing, essentially saying that if they took action against every solicitor with a driving infraction we wouldn't have a legal profession.DougSeal said:
If a solicitor is convicted of an offence they should self-report. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice so has (pending appeal) clearly breached the first listed of the SRA Code of Conduct principles to "uphold the rule of law and the proper administration of justice" which is a ground for self-reporting under the Code of Conduct. She won't have done so yet as to do so would prejudice her appeal against the conviction. I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
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Absolutelynico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .
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Of course it is.AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
As it was prior to the last election.
I believe I introduced (or stole) the phrase “‘mile wide and inch deep” to describe the Maymania of that period.
Both parties have been held in place - like two corpses leaning against each other - by the stasis introduced by Brexit.
If, for example, Corbyn stood down and was replaced by someone sentient - say, Thornberry, May and the Tories would be crushed.0 -
Well, the SRA have a good Twitter service. 8 minute turnaround.
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It may have been suggested by a number of people, that the whole reasoning behind her appeal is to try and prevent action being taken by the SRA and a recall ballot in Peterborough.DougSeal said:
Perverting the course of justice is about as serious as it gets for an officer of the court. As I say below, it breaches the first principle of the Code of Conduct to uphold the administration of justice. If this gets to the SDT if/when her appeal is turned down then she's gone.MattW said:Here's a non-working solicitor who was struck off last November, for badmouthing the SRA, and several offences - drunk driving, drug possession etc. I really can't tell whether for a solicitor's professional position that is more or less serious than offenses of dishonesty on oath.
A solicitor who embarked on a foul-mouthed email tirade against the Solicitors Regulation Authority, former colleagues and third parties has been banned from the legal profession.
Luke Stephen Venton, 39, also ran up three separate convictions from 2014 to 2017 for drink-driving, possession of cannabis and possession of a knife in a public place. He was alleged to have failed to notify the SRA about the first two of these convictions. He has not worked as a solicitor since November 2015.
The Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal heard Venton responded to one SRA notification of a fine and rebuke that the regulator could ‘stick your adjudication invoice up you’re [sic] a**e you f*****g w****r’.
Asked to explain his response and language, he emailed the SRA supervisor and stated: ‘Here’s another one for you, you f*****g bent c**t(s). The SRA will never regulate me and that is it.’ Venton then threatened to bin any future adjudication invoice before signing off: ‘F*****g w****r – f**k off! Regards, Luke.’
The SRA opted on this occasion to take no further action, but emails continued with the regulator either the main recipient or copied into correspondence with other solicitors and third parties.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sweary-solicitor-who-told-the-sra-you-will-never-regulate-me-is-struck-off/5068373.article
Meanwhile, she’s earned £6k while she’s been in prison, hope every journalist she speaks to asks her if she’s donating it to a road safety charity.0 -
Hah! I didn't even know they had an account! God, I'm getting old. Nice one.MattW said:Well, the SRA have a good Twitter service. 8 minute turnaround.
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TOPPING said:
The problem at the heart of the system of MPs is that the high opportunity cost you mention only applies to one sub-category of would-be politicians.RoyalBlue said:FPT
Being a British politician at national level today is less consequential and worse in terms of opportunity cost than at any time in the last 300 years. It’s no surprise that the calibre of MPs and ministers is in decline.
Let's take two fantastic candidates:
Public School + Oxbridge + lawyer = high opportunity cost
Bog standard comp + technical college or apprenticeship + Union convener = low opportunity cost
This is false, as there are a lot of public school educated numpties stinking out the benches at Westminster.
The right equation is:
Talented, smart person regardless of background = high opportunity cost.
Absolute dunce who couldn’t start a fire in a firecracker factory = low opportunity cost.0 -
Maybe as a last resort the Queen needs to step in and dissolve parliament Stuart style! They aren't actually achieving much at present.AlastairMeeks said:
Getting rid of Black Strafford didn't work out too well for Charles I, as Jeremy Corbyn will no doubt remember.CarlottaVance said:
And of course Charles's son eventually pardoned the Earl of Strafford and his property and lands were restored to his heirs - no doubt on condition they were rented out forever more on the 17th century equivalent of air bnb!
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There are a number of significant differences - Huhne did, eventually, plead guilty and he resigned his seat. The Dishonourable Member for Peterborough didn't plead guilty, she hasn't resigned and was given a lenient sentence. Whether or not it counted as unduly lenient, there is no doubt in my mind that she got away with a very light sentence given the nature of her crime and her position in society as a solicitor and an elected representative.OldKingCole said:
The General Pharmaceutical Council takes a much tougher line with people who don't tell them about such things than with those who doDougSeal said:
If she had just taken the points. I got my first and only fixed penalty 3 days after starting my training contract - when I called the Law Society (before the SRA took over regulation) practically in tears the guy on the end of the line almost burst out laughing, essentially saying that if they took action against every solicitor with a driving infraction we wouldn't have a legal profession.DougSeal said:
I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47369669
And Fiona Onsanya serves about the same proportion of her sentence behind bars as Chris Huhne and Vicky Price. Two months out of eight..
It is intolerable that she is allowed to return to Parliament and vote on weighty matters. We need to change the law so such things are never allowed to happen again.0 -
True and interestingly the amount of Tory voters saying wrong to leave now clearly outweighs Labour voters saying right to leave . Tory wrong to leave 27 versus Labour right to leave 18.PeterMannion said:
Absolutelynico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .
Mann is a thickie0 -
Cos they might win!MarqueeMark said:A GE election great for Labour? Run that one by me again.....
Certainly they can't win one if there isn't one.0 -
Of course, the case concerned one incident only. Because there is only evidence of a single crime.DougSeal said:
Wasn't the conviction for perverting the course because she said someone else was driving on a single occasion though? If she had just coughed up to that one fine she would certainly have been in a lot less bother than she ended up in.IanB2 said:
But the case history was that there had been multiple points sent to that address, each time the driver was named as someone abroad and uncontactable. This time they got lucky and managed to contact the named driver. Therefore, rightly, they decided to act.DougSeal said:
If she had just taken the points. I got my first and only fixed penalty 3 days after starting my training contract - when I called the Law Society (before the SRA took over regulation) practically in tears the guy on the end of the line almost burst out laughing, essentially saying that if they took action against every solicitor with a driving infraction we wouldn't have a legal profession.DougSeal said:
If a solicitor is convicted of an offence they should self-report. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice so has (pending appeal) clearly breached the first listed of the SRA Code of Conduct principles to "uphold the rule of law and the proper administration of justice" which is a ground for self-reporting under the Code of Conduct. She won't have done so yet as to do so would prejudice her appeal against the conviction. I would imagine the SRA would also wait until the criminal appeal process has concluded before prosecuting before the SDT.MattW said:
Have they actually had a cogent complaint?DougSeal said:
For a strike-off they have to prosecute before the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. She doesn't hold a practicing certificate at the moment so they may not think it in the public interest to prosecute. I'm not sure what their attitude to prosecution is where the solicitor is listed as no-practicing. If she applies for a new practicing certificate I certainly think they would act at that point, if only to refuse one.matt said:
If she’s not struck off, the SRA will need to grow a pair.DecrepitJohnL said:Fiona's been sprung.
Disgraced MP Fiona Onasanya has been released from prison less than four weeks after she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.
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It is not our place to determine who is the elected representative of a constituency. That is a matter for the people of Peterborough who can use the recall legislation to force an election or wait until the next general election.oxfordsimon said:
There are a number of significant differences - Huhne did, eventually, plead guilty and he resigned his seat. The Dishonourable Member for Peterborough didn't plead guilty, she hasn't resigned and was given a lenient sentence. Whether or not it counted as unduly lenient, there is no doubt in my mind that she got away with a very light sentence given the nature of her crime and her position in society as a solicitor and an elected representative.
It is intolerable that she is allowed to return to Parliament and vote on weighty matters. We need to change the law so such things are never allowed to happen again.
Were the recall legislation not to exist I could understand your argument but with it in place, there are enough legal means within the law for an MP to be removed should the people the MP represents wish to have a replacement representative.0 -
On what constitutional basis do you think the Queen might do that, bearing in mind the provisions of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011?brendan16 said:
Maybe as a last resort the Queen needs to step in and dissolve parliament Stuart style! They aren't actually achieving much at present.AlastairMeeks said:
Getting rid of Black Strafford didn't work out too well for Charles I, as Jeremy Corbyn will no doubt remember.CarlottaVance said:
And of course Charles's son eventually pardoned the Earl of Strafford and his property and lands were restored to his heirs - no doubt on condition they were rented out forever more on the 17th century equivalent of air bnb!
Mind you, if we are going to hark back to the 1640s, perhaps we should think of pb as the equivalent of the Putney Debates.0 -
I would disagree in normal times but the past two years has potentially changed British politics for a long time. Maybe permanently. At a guess I'd say the Tory vote is harder because it's older but...AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
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Or they might actually get pulverised this time!kinabalu said:
Cos they might win!MarqueeMark said:A GE election great for Labour? Run that one by me again.....
Certainly they can't win one if there isn't one.0 -
On topic, yes, but Corbyn has soiled himself in the last few months the same way that Theresa May did during and after her manifesto launch.
So, it’s unlikely that lightning will strike twice for him again.0 -
I think it is perfectly legitimate to require any MP who is convicted and sentenced to prison to immediately lose their seat.eek said:
It is not our place to determine who is the elected representative of a constituency. That is a matter for the people of Peterborough who can use the recall legislation to force an election or wait until the next general election.
Personally I would make that a lifelong ban from holding any elected office - if you break the law (and are sentenced to prison time) whilst being a sitting MP, you have no right to ever sit in Parliament again.
And yes, I would extend that members of the Lords.
A conviction prior to standing for Parliament is a different matter - but it must be declared on all relevant election literature.
We should hold elected representatives to a higher standard. We are never going to have a political cohort free from any blemish - but it is still absolutely wrong that this convicted liar is allowed to sit as MP for any constituency.0 -
It’s anti Corbyn and (most of it) is pro Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
If the former goes and the later fades away, everything is up for grabs, and the Conservatives could also sink to 30%.0 -
In the last GE both Labour and the Tories increased their vote.Gardenwalker said:
Of course it is.AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
As it was prior to the last election.
I believe I introduced (or stole) the phrase “‘mile wide and inch deep” to describe the Maymania of that period.
Both parties have been held in place - like two corpses leaning against each other - by the stasis introduced by Brexit.
If, for example, Corbyn stood down and was replaced by someone sentient - say, Thornberry, May and the Tories would be crushed.0 -
I thought they'd already done that.Scott_P said:0 -
Scott_P said:
In both cases, division of the opinion in the party reflected divisions of opinion within the country.
It wasn’t just to appease the unique peculiarities and idiosyncrasies of the more eccentric members who happened to populate the benches in the Commons at the time.0 -
But this just can't be true.nico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .
Take Blaenau Gwent. Labour vote share in 2017 was 58 per cent. Tory and UKIP vote share was 17.8 per cent.
Leave won with 62 per cent of the vote.
A majority of the Leave vote must have come from parties other than Tory and UKIP.
There are just not enough Tory/UKIP voters in Blaenau Gwent to make up the enormous Leave vote..0 -
There's a quarter of the Conservative vote that thinks Leaving is the wrong idea. Losing that by itself would take the Conservatives down to 30%, and that's assuming they kept on board all their Leave supporters with the final form of Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
It’s anti Corbyn and (most of it) is pro Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
If the former goes and the later fades away, everything is up for grabs, and the Conservatives could also sink to 30%.0 -
The recall legislation is too weak at present.eek said:Were the recall legislation not to exist I could understand your argument but with it in place, there are enough legal means within the law for an MP to be removed should the people the MP represents wish to have a replacement representative.
I think it should be a form of strict liability. Prison time for a crime committed whilst a sitting MP results in immediate loss of seat. The 1 year rule for automatic forfeiture of the seat is unacceptable.
And if there is an appeal, it should be expedited so that Parliament can be rid of an convicted criminal as quickly as possible.
We need to clean up politics as much as we can. Allowing someone who has perverted the course of justice (whilst also being an officer of the court) to participate in Parliament is a just not acceptable.0 -
The ERG won’t climb down. Even if Mogg belatedly (and somewhat reluctantly) wakes up and personally backs the Government there are still those enough in his caucus that’ll ignore him and sink it.nico67 said:As was the case all along Brexit will only implode if the ERG overplay their hand. I expect a climb down with some warm words from the EU and a thumping speech from the AG Cox providing the suitable ladder .
Game over for the ERG .
May needs every single vote. She won’t get them.0 -
Yes, there will be churn, but on balance Corbyn going and Brexit failing is very unlikely to be conducive to a good polling position for the Conservatives.AlastairMeeks said:
There's a quarter of the Conservative vote that thinks Leaving is the wrong idea. Losing that by itself would take the Conservatives down to 30%, and that's assuming they kept on board all their Leave supporters with the final form of Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
It’s anti Corbyn and (most of it) is pro Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
If the former goes and the later fades away, everything is up for grabs, and the Conservatives could also sink to 30%.0 -
It would be surprising if either one of them managed that next time around.felix said:
In the last GE both Labour and the Tories increased their vote.Gardenwalker said:
Of course it is.AlastairMeeks said:What we've discovered in the last few days is that a fair chunk of Labour support was very soft. It seems quite likely to me, all things considered, that the same is true of the Conservatives. Perhaps we'll see soon enough.
As it was prior to the last election.
I believe I introduced (or stole) the phrase “‘mile wide and inch deep” to describe the Maymania of that period.
Both parties have been held in place - like two corpses leaning against each other - by the stasis introduced by Brexit.
If, for example, Corbyn stood down and was replaced by someone sentient - say, Thornberry, May and the Tories would be crushed.0 -
So Mann should disregard the rest of his constituents?nico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .
Are people who aren't Labour voters unpersons?0 -
That is hardly a constituency where a change in Brexit policy is likely to threaten Labour, though.YBarddCwsc said:
But this just can't be true.nico67 said:Labour wrong to leave 74 , right to leave 18.
Mann and the rest need to stop peddling nonsense . Even in Leave Labour seats a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain .
Take Blaenau Gwent. Labour vote share in 2017 was 58 per cent. Tory and UKIP vote share was 17.8 per cent.
Leave won with 62 per cent of the vote.
A majority of the Leave vote must have come from parties other than Tory and UKIP.
There are just not enough Tory/UKIP voters in Blaenau Gwent to make up the enormous Leave vote..0 -
I propose a brand new Labour splinter group:
Labour Friends of Corbyn
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