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Those were paid views though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Reminds of all those views that video of Jeremy Corbyn/terrorism received just before the 2017 general election.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/10986402514662072320 -
"If you want to be in TIG, you've gotta really hate Jeremy Corbyn."0
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The Labour leadership are mad if they think this is good news for them. Just imagine the extent of Ian Austin's despair if he feels that he does not agree with TIG but he still feels compelled to resign the party whip over anti-Semitism.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now think how many other Labour MPs will be pondering their options.0 -
Huge story breaking in Italy. Putin agreed to a request from Lega Nord leader Matteo Salvini to covertly finance his Euro election campaign. The plan was to conceal the payment behind an apparently normal business deal.
http://espresso.repubblica.it/inchieste/2019/02/20/news/esclusivo-lega-milioni-russia-1.331835
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Paradoxically, Sir Thomas More did just that.148grss said:Edited: (wrong link posted) https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1098234586260230145
The first comments referencing "A Man for All Seasons" also makes a good argument for not bending the law for "undesirables".0 -
That seems to cover the essential points without the rest.AlastairMeeks said:
The Labour leadership are madTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No.Floater said:https://brexitcentral.com/political-declaration-not-vague-wish-list-attempt-bind-uk-eu-policies/
Was this posted yesterday?
Is this mandarin correct?0 -
So, is Trump smarter or stupider than Matteo Salvini? Because if this story is true we can easily assume he'd do the same with TrumpIanB2 said:Huge story breaking in Italy. Putin agreed to a request from Lega Nord leader Matteo Salvini to covertly finance his Euro election campaign. The plan was to conceal the payment behind an apparently normal business deal.
http://espresso.repubblica.it/inchieste/2019/02/20/news/esclusivo-lega-milioni-russia-1.331835-1 -
I couldn't give tuppence about this silly bint from Stratford, but I do care about due process and I want it followed.stodge said:Morning all
Fascinating to read the Evening Standard in London on the Shamima Begum issue.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-shamima-begum-is-a-briton-not-bangladeshi-keeping-music-alive-a4072841.html
Whether this is Osborne having a pop at Javid I'm not certain but it's always good for Conservative Home Secretaries (at least within the constituency of the Conservative Party) to talk tough even if they don't act tough.
I confess to being conflicted on this and especially because of the newborn. I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
There's absolutely no guarantee he'll end up a radicalised Islamist - indeed, he may not but he deserves an opportunity at life for all his mother supports those who callously deny others the opportunity of living.
One of the many lessons worth learning in politics is the popular answer isn't always the right answer, indeed, very often it isn't. Doing the right thing in the face of opposition from the majority is what the principled politician should be about, not courting cheap and easy headlines.
Javid is grandstanding, pure and simple.0 -
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Caroline Flint should lead TIAG - The Ian Austin Group.0
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An anonymous supposed senior civil servant doesn't have a clue what s/he is talking about?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Floater said:https://brexitcentral.com/political-declaration-not-vague-wish-list-attempt-bind-uk-eu-policies/
Was this posted yesterday?
Is this mandarin correct?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
(Edit - incidentally, I had a quick scroll through the document at the bottom and although I am not a lawyer I agree with you.)0 -
In NC#9 news the GOP candidate, just after taking the stand and then conferring with council, claimed he had recently had two minor strokes, couldn't remeber anything and asked for an election re-run.
The Ads are going to be amazing.0 -
Tsk, they should have stuck to quarrymen.TheScreamingEagles said:Could not happen to a nicer team.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/10988809665532026890 -
Sorry to Pooh Pooh your efforts, but didn't we already fill a hundred acres of PB with Milne puns... ?ydoethur said:
You will Roo that one.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, he isn't a Tigger. My mistake.
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I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'. 0 -
Austin-Power! National Man of Mystery.williamglenn said:I think Caroline Flint should lead the Ian Austin party.
Anyone know if he voted for May's Deal before? Presumably now free to do so if he wants....0 -
I've worked out one that won't be ... Kate Hoey, checking back through her history/positions she must be happier than a pig in shit being lead by Corbyn !AlastairMeeks said:
The Labour leadership are mad if they think this is good news for them. Just imagine the extent of Ian Austin's despair if he feels that he does not agree with TIG but he still feels compelled to resign the party whip over anti-Semitism.TheScreamingEagles said:
Now think how many other Labour MPs will be pondering their options.0 -
Austin at least has the chance now to make history by being the first MP ever to defect from independent to Independent.0
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That whole saga has been amazing to watch unfold.Alistair said:In NC#9 news the GOP candidate, just after taking the stand and then conferring with council, claimed he had recently had two minor strokes, couldn't remeber anything and asked for an election re-run.
The Ads are going to be amazing.0 -
It is true people were Rabbitting on, but their puns are Poles apart from mine.Nigelb said:
Sorry to Pooh Pooh your efforts, but didn't we already fill a hundred acres of PB with Milne puns... ?ydoethur said:
You will Roo that one.Morris_Dancer said:Oh, he isn't a Tigger. My mistake.
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Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.0 -
And the seat is fascinating. Part Appalachian, part suburban part Native American reservations.nunuone said:
That whole saga has been amazing to watch unfold.Alistair said:In NC#9 news the GOP candidate, just after taking the stand and then conferring with council, claimed he had recently had two minor strokes, couldn't remeber anything and asked for an election re-run.
The Ads are going to be amazing.0 -
'The Life of Brian' has always been one of my favourite films. Looking back, it was almost prophetic. We've had lots Stans wanting to be Loretta, and now we've had the splitters. What else?
"You're got to really hate the Jezza to join us." "What has the EU ever done for us?" "Romani go home." The only thing missing in the film is 'MPs rule OK'.
Politics has become indistinguishable from farce. The only thing to do is enjoy it.0 -
Why I prefer the play to the man.Sean_F said:
Paradoxically, Sir Thomas More did just that.148grss said:Edited: (wrong link posted) https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1098234586260230145
The first comments referencing "A Man for All Seasons" also makes a good argument for not bending the law for "undesirables".0 -
Where did their sympathies lie?AlastairMeeks said:
Anecdote alert: this was being talked about spontaneously on my train home last night by a group of three behind me. They were very tuned into all the facts.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/10986402514662072320 -
Except that we don't really have any say in whether they face trial over there.Cyclefree said:If politicians want to give their support to innocent babies or young women who have suffered grievously or even use their discretion to bestow British citizenship, here are some people who would be genuinely grateful - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-world-has-let-down-yazidis-who-fled-isis-genocide-qdm5qp09x.
Meanwhile those who aided and abetted their murderers, rapists and torturers should be put on trial over there.
I don't advocate any heroic (if any at all) efforts on behalf of this woman - a stance which has the perhaps dubious merit of being consistent with the way the Foreign Office deals with many (most ?) UK citizens in trouble in 'difficult' states - but it is the removal of citizenship I object to.0 -
2-5 I have no truck with, but Libertarian Pirate Island sounds fun. That and I am a Libertarian.IanB2 said:
Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.0 -
yes he did vote for the deal and will do so again - he takes the sensible view that the UK needs to leave and this is the best and only deal that is there to be taken - if only more MPs were capable of such level headednessMarqueeMark said:
Austin-Power! National Man of Mystery.williamglenn said:I think Caroline Flint should lead the Ian Austin party.
Anyone know if he voted for May's Deal before? Presumably now free to do so if he wants....0 -
It reminds me of that heavily debunked Spectator piece on the deal but written by Andrew Bridgen.ydoethur said:
An anonymous supposed senior civil servant doesn't have a clue what s/he is talking about?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Floater said:https://brexitcentral.com/political-declaration-not-vague-wish-list-attempt-bind-uk-eu-policies/
Was this posted yesterday?
Is this mandarin correct?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
(Edit - incidentally, I had a quick scroll through the document at the bottom and although I am not a lawyer I agree with you.)0 -
Still talking about Ilford?nunuone said:
And the seat is fascinating. Part Appalachian, part suburban part Native American reservations.nunuone said:
That whole saga has been amazing to watch unfold.Alistair said:In NC#9 news the GOP candidate, just after taking the stand and then conferring with council, claimed he had recently had two minor strokes, couldn't remeber anything and asked for an election re-run.
The Ads are going to be amazing.
That’s so yesterday, we’ve got a defection to talk about0 -
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Thanks.kingbongo said:
yes he did vote for the deal and will do so again - he takes the sensible view that the UK needs to leave and this is the best and only deal that is there to be taken - if only more MPs were capable of such level headednessMarqueeMark said:
Austin-Power! National Man of Mystery.williamglenn said:I think Caroline Flint should lead the Ian Austin party.
Anyone know if he voted for May's Deal before? Presumably now free to do so if he wants....
It's the way to go.....0 -
It would be funny if Corbyn ended up leading the smallest of three Labour groups in parliament. Just like old times.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!0 -
And a Pirate?Philip_Thompson said:
2-5 I have no truck with, but Libertarian Pirate Island sounds fun. That and I am a Libertarian.IanB2 said:
Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.
Of course, no man is an Island...0 -
Sod bothering with international trade. We should just plunder what we from want from the high seas...Philip_Thompson said:
2-5 I have no truck with, but Libertarian Pirate Island sounds fun. That and I am a Libertarian.IanB2 said:
Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.
Like we used to!0 -
Javid has said in the HoC that he is not deprived of his nationality.stodge said:I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
I suspect his life chances might be better with different parents, since his (evidently fat) (so shoot me, it had to be said) mother has already lost two children to malnutrition. Most emaciated children have emaciated mothers. Those two didn't.0 -
Theres a long list...tlg86 said:"If you want to be in TIG, you've gotta really hate Jeremy Corbyn."
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Big numbers would need a big beast to lead them out the wilderness.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Cooper. Or Starmer.0 -
They were more discussing the case than expressing views. They were most interested in the baby.CarlottaVance said:
Where did their sympathies lie?AlastairMeeks said:
Anecdote alert: this was being talked about spontaneously on my train home last night by a group of three behind me. They were very tuned into all the facts.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/10986402514662072320 -
He’s born in a foreign country to parents without british citizenship, what law makes the baby more british than them?CarlottaVance said:
Javid has said in the HoC that he is not deprived of his nationality.stodge said:I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
I suspect his life chances might be better with different parents, since his (evidently fat) (so shoot me, it had to be said) mother has already lost two children to malnutrition. Most emaciated children have emaciated mothers. Those two didn't.0 -
Starmer joining TIG would be a real coup.MarqueeMark said:
Big numbers would need a big beast to lead them out the wilderness.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Cooper. Or Starmer.0 -
Well that stops any big name managers taking over and is certain to see Hazard and others leaveydoethur said:
Tsk, they should have stuck to quarrymen.TheScreamingEagles said:Could not happen to a nicer team.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/10988809665532026890 -
or Kendall!williamglenn said:
Starmer joining TIG would be a real coup.MarqueeMark said:
Big numbers would need a big beast to lead them out the wilderness.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Cooper. Or Starmer.0 -
Good - lets hope people have the courage.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Trying to recall an article I read back at the start of the shitshow that has been Corbyn's 'leadership' that predicted we'd end up with a Lab split, and a court battle for the name/assets from the hard left rump.0 -
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If Austin is joined by a few friends, they'd probably have more scope to resist Labour attempts to whip against the WA (if that is the whip).williamglenn said:
It would be funny if Corbyn ended up leading the smallest of three Labour groups in parliament. Just like old times.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!0 -
Mr Glenn,
"I think Caroline Flint should lead the Ian Austin party."
A man after my own heart. You've chosen one who's reasonably good-looking. Welcome to the Shallow Party.0 -
He was born before his mother lost (subject to appeal) her citizenship, so he's British.dots said:
He’s born in a foreign country to parents without british citizenship, what law makes the baby more british than them?CarlottaVance said:
Javid has said in the HoC that he is not deprived of his nationality.stodge said:I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
I suspect his life chances might be better with different parents, since his (evidently fat) (so shoot me, it had to be said) mother has already lost two children to malnutrition. Most emaciated children have emaciated mothers. Those two didn't.0 -
Was he not born before Shameema lost her citizenship?dots said:
He’s born in a foreign country to parents without british citizenship, what law makes the baby more british than them?CarlottaVance said:
Javid has said in the HoC that he is not deprived of his nationality.stodge said:I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
I suspect his life chances might be better with different parents, since his (evidently fat) (so shoot me, it had to be said) mother has already lost two children to malnutrition. Most emaciated children have emaciated mothers. Those two didn't.0 -
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I love how commentators take 2 and 2 to make whatever number they want
https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/10988798845192683530 -
No not a pirate but pirates are cool. And we are an island.Endillion said:
And a Pirate?Philip_Thompson said:
2-5 I have no truck with, but Libertarian Pirate Island sounds fun. That and I am a Libertarian.IanB2 said:
Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.
Of course, no man is an Island...
An island in the persona of a swashbuckling, libertarian Jonny Depp? I can live with that.
For the gamers here, we'd probably end up more like Guybrush Threepwood.0 -
He's been treated like shit. No-one could blame him.williamglenn said:
Starmer joining TIG would be a real coup.MarqueeMark said:
Big numbers would need a big beast to lead them out the wilderness.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Cooper. Or Starmer.0 -
Is that a parody or real!?Scott_P said:0 -
Now that Austin has gone, I wonder how long this holds...
Birmingham's nine Labour MPs have vowed to stay in the party.
They said: "We will continue to fight for the better future we know is possible, standing together as part of the Labour family, with our trade unions, socialist societies and in Parliament as Labour MP's."
The city's Labour MPs are Liam Byrne (Lab Hodge Hill), Shabana Mahmood (Lab Ladywood), Preet Kaur Gill (Lab Edgbaston), Jack Dromey (Lab Erdington), Khalid Mahmood (Lab Perry Barr), Roger Godsiff (Lab Hall Green), Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak), Jess Phillips (Lab Yardley) and Richard Burden (Lab Northfield).
https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/regional-affairs/labour-split-birminghams-nine-labour-158525300 -
I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.0
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Another one of those interesting charts which charts the collapse of UK exports from 1970 to today. All the way from third in the world to.....well, you'll have to watch it yourself!MarqueeMark said:
Sod bothering with international trade. We should just plunder what we from want from the high seas...Philip_Thompson said:
2-5 I have no truck with, but Libertarian Pirate Island sounds fun. That and I am a Libertarian.IanB2 said:
Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.
Like we used to!
https://youtu.be/PusEVOeVZUs0 -
Very real...Philip_Thompson said:Is that a parody or real!?
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looks pretty real to mePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that a parody or real!?Scott_P said:
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The baby will probably have more rights than most British people, including meAlastairMeeks said:
They were more discussing the case than expressing views. They were most interested in the baby.CarlottaVance said:
Where did their sympathies lie?AlastairMeeks said:
Anecdote alert: this was being talked about spontaneously on my train home last night by a group of three behind me. They were very tuned into all the facts.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/1098640251466207232
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I understand all the positions on this. Before finding out she had alternative claims to citizenship elsewhere, I was all for bringing her back to face justice. Now not so much.CarlottaVance said:
Where did their sympathies lie?AlastairMeeks said:
Anecdote alert: this was being talked about spontaneously on my train home last night by a group of three behind me. They were very tuned into all the facts.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/1098640251466207232
Surprised to find many supposedly more ‘liberal’ and ‘centrist’ friends have been against her coming back, from the start.0 -
The last time the Liberals won over 100 seats in any election was 1923 (156) - so a bit longer ago than 'before the Second World War!' Even in 1931 they only got 73, and that was split three ways.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
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No blue tick and using the nickname brum made me wonder, it could have been either.TheWhiteRabbit said:
looks pretty real to mePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that a parody or real!?Scott_P said:
life imitates art
What a shocking attitude. For every MP that goes there's a lot of voters who think like that MP - same in any potential split for the Tories too.0 -
A case of "be careful what you wish for".Scott_P said:
The reactions of the far left to the news of MPs resigning from Labour provide the most compelling evidence as to why those MPs were right to do so.0 -
I have a Corbynista facebook friend -whp is actually half-Iranian - who is of the opinion that she has got exactly what she deserved and is vociferously opposed to her returning.Mortimer said:
I understand all the positions on this. Before finding out she had alternative claims to citizenship elsewhere, I was all for bringing her back to face justice. Now not so much.CarlottaVance said:
Where did their sympathies lie?AlastairMeeks said:
Anecdote alert: this was being talked about spontaneously on my train home last night by a group of three behind me. They were very tuned into all the facts.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/1098640251466207232
Surprised to find many supposedly more ‘liberal’ and ‘centrist’ friends have been against her coming back, from the start.0 -
If we're now suggesting she ate them, does that mean she gets to join the Tory party?CarlottaVance said:
Javid has said in the HoC that he is not deprived of his nationality.stodge said:I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
I suspect his life chances might be better with different parents, since his (evidently fat) (so shoot me, it had to be said) mother has already lost two children to malnutrition. Most emaciated children have emaciated mothers. Those two didn't.0 -
As unlikely as it is, can you imagine if Corbyn is left reenacting Downfall, with MPs shedding on all sides and Corbyn leading an increasingly delusional group of fanatics?Wulfrun_Phil said:
A case of "be careful what you wish for".Scott_P said:
The reactions of the far left to the news of MPs resigning from Labour provide the most compelling evidence as to why those MPs were right to do so.0 -
The 1923GE was the last election when more than 100 non-Tory/Labour MPs were elected, and the 1924GE saw that number drop. So it's been about 95 years since we've had this many MPs from outside the duopoly.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
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1931 had 84 non-Tory National MPs (including Liberals), 8 non-Labour Labour Opposition MPs and 12 others. So that is a total of 102 not from (official) Labour or Conservatives.ydoethur said:
The last time the Liberals won over 100 seats in any election was 1923 (156) - so a bit longer ago than 'before the Second World War!' Even in 1931 they only got 73, and that was split three ways.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
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On topic, the most interesting fact in the podcast is the early indication that the potential support for a new centre force is drawn widely in terms of age, class etc. and isn't coming predominantly from the middle class-remainer constituency you might expect.
The podcast cuts off suddenly after that, so I don't think the audio file has been fully uploaded?0 -
I'm reminded of the South Park episode where the boys go off to become pirates, and wind up in Somalia.Philip_Thompson said:
No not a pirate but pirates are cool. And we are an island.Endillion said:
And a Pirate?Philip_Thompson said:
2-5 I have no truck with, but Libertarian Pirate Island sounds fun. That and I am a Libertarian.IanB2 said:
Don't give up on the other boxes! Except 4, of course.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd sign up for Libertarian Pirate Islandanother_richard said:
Cheers Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
Brilliant post, Richard. Made my morning. :-)another_richard said:
I separate the ERG gang into five groups:Sean_F said:
If Brexit does get stopped, their monkey antics will be a large part of the reason why.another_richard said:
Can May call a GE and then deselect everyone in the ERG (plus Grieve) ?Scott_P said:
1) Those who want Libertarian Pirate Island and thought Brexit could achieve it as few people actually want unlimited immigration and no welfare state
2) The death culters who refuse to have any deals with the EU
3) Those who don't really want to leave the EU as it would mean having to take responsibility and no longer being able to blame Brussels for everything
4) Those who think opposition to any deal will improve their chances of becoming Conservative leader
5) Useful idiots of one or more of the above
I have to give thanks to PB in general for ideas and in particular EiT for 'Libertarian Pirate Island' and AM for 'Death Cult'.
Of course, no man is an Island...
An island in the persona of a swashbuckling, libertarian Jonny Depp? I can live with that.
For the gamers here, we'd probably end up more like Guybrush Threepwood.0 -
Tiggers cannot even get all defectors to join them. Not sure they can have a long shelf life.0
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Cooper and Starmer are only really big beasts by the standards of this board. Fairly sure few of the school-gate parents would be able to accurateky place Cooper and almost none Starmer.MarqueeMark said:
Big numbers would need a big beast to lead them out the wilderness.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Cooper. Or Starmer.
They need Miliband, Miliband or Balls.0 -
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They're a hardcore second referendum party. That's what attracted the likes of Soubry, but puts off the likes of Austin.kle4 said:Tiggers cannot even get all defectors to join them. Not sure they can have a long shelf life.
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They would prefer defectors anywhere, though.kle4 said:Tiggers cannot even get all defectors to join them. Not sure they can have a long shelf life.
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I foresee a speedy, but also probably sustained and terminal decline in Corbyn's popularity (and Labour while he's leader) after this week.
Although the splitters are so far few in number, I suspect they (a) have hit home with a new group of voters over Brexit and anti-semitism (which if it doesn't resonate on its own, will in terms of "being mates with that dodgy Palestinian lot") and (b) given them a new home for centrist protest votes which isn't tainted with Coalition betrayal nonsense.
Labour's support has held up so far on grounds of being "the only anti-Tory show in town" (and, bizarrely, held many Remainers as a result). Although in practical terms that hasn't yet changed, the perception probably has.
TIG may well be a flash in the pan.. but even if no-one else joined and it withered in a GE in three months' time, I suspect enough damage has already been done.0 -
Thanks, so we'd have to do a bit of research to see how long that number stayed above 100 before 1935.Philip_Thompson said:
1931 had 84 non-Tory National MPs (including Liberals), 8 non-Labour Labour Opposition MPs and 12 others. So that is a total of 102 not from (official) Labour or Conservatives.ydoethur said:
The last time the Liberals won over 100 seats in any election was 1923 (156) - so a bit longer ago than 'before the Second World War!' Even in 1931 they only got 73, and that was split three ways.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
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A very large number of those 'non-Tory national' seats would have been won by the Tories had they contested them. You cannot include National MPs as 'outside' the governing party. That on its own makes it a very unusual election and not one for valid comparisons.Philip_Thompson said:
1931 had 84 non-Tory National MPs (including Liberals), 8 non-Labour Labour Opposition MPs and 12 others. So that is a total of 102 not from (official) Labour or Conservatives.ydoethur said:
The last time the Liberals won over 100 seats in any election was 1923 (156) - so a bit longer ago than 'before the Second World War!' Even in 1931 they only got 73, and that was split three ways.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
Edit - to reinforce that, from memory I quote Trevor Wilson noting over half the Liberals' seats were won in the absence of Tory candidates - 'In 1929, the party won seats in its own strength. In 1931, it held them by the grace of their traditional enemies.'0 -
Mr. P, I thought Piglet liked Tigger
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MaybeIan Austin, Frank Field and John Woodcockcould form a party? There might be a few on the Labiyr benches keen to join the non-Chuka block. In fact, I'd be tempted to vote for that overlooked corner of the Labour party.0
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The Iranians have been imprisoning and shooting Isis "brides".Cookie said:
I have a Corbynista facebook friend -whp is actually half-Iranian - who is of the opinion that she has got exactly what she deserved and is vociferously opposed to her returning.Mortimer said:
I understand all the positions on this. Before finding out she had alternative claims to citizenship elsewhere, I was all for bringing her back to face justice. Now not so much.CarlottaVance said:
Where did their sympathies lie?AlastairMeeks said:
Anecdote alert: this was being talked about spontaneously on my train home last night by a group of three behind me. They were very tuned into all the facts.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/1098640251466207232
Surprised to find many supposedly more ‘liberal’ and ‘centrist’ friends have been against her coming back, from the start.0 -
I’m not sure how widely commented upon this has been but the real reason MPs are jumping ship from Labour now, and not before, is because magic grandpa has gone off the boil.
That’s due in no small part to both Brexit and the anti-semitism but, if he was still polling very strongly with both members and Labour voters, then I doubt this split would have come about.
The TIGers and independents now have hope there’s both a constituency for them and that others have a chance of regaining their party.0 -
1929 wasn't so goodOblitusSumMe said:
Thanks, so we'd have to do a bit of research to see how long that number stayed above 100 before 1935.Philip_Thompson said:
1931 had 84 non-Tory National MPs (including Liberals), 8 non-Labour Labour Opposition MPs and 12 others. So that is a total of 102 not from (official) Labour or Conservatives.ydoethur said:
The last time the Liberals won over 100 seats in any election was 1923 (156) - so a bit longer ago than 'before the Second World War!' Even in 1931 they only got 73, and that was split three ways.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
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Sad news..... such transfer bans are of little import to we spurs fans of course.TheScreamingEagles said:Could not happen to a nicer team.
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Shush! Jeremy will retract his support for her return!Endillion said:
If we're now suggesting she ate them, does that mean she gets to join the Tory party?CarlottaVance said:
Javid has said in the HoC that he is not deprived of his nationality.stodge said:I can't get past the notion the baby boy deserves a chance at life and I don't see why depriving him of either his nationality or his mother is a good idea.
I suspect his life chances might be better with different parents, since his (evidently fat) (so shoot me, it had to be said) mother has already lost two children to malnutrition. Most emaciated children have emaciated mothers. Those two didn't.0 -
Reliable source.AndyJS said:0 -
But, what does it mean?TheScreamingEagles said:
Reminds of all those views that video of Jeremy Corbyn/terrorism received just before the 2017 general election.CarlottaVance said:Great podcast as usual - and helpful reminders on perils of hypothetical polls.
Meanwhile, in a bit of a reality check (thread):
https://twitter.com/OvePM/status/1098640251466207232
We need more polling.0 -
O/T
"Tens of thousands of Americans die each year from opioid overdoses
The federal response remains sluggish and inadequate"
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2019/02/23/tens-of-thousands-of-americans-die-each-year-from-opioid-overdoses0 -
59, I believe? Enough to deprive both parties of a majority, not enough to make a decisive difference to the overall political landscape.IanB2 said:
1929 wasn't so goodOblitusSumMe said:
Thanks, so we'd have to do a bit of research to see how long that number stayed above 100 before 1935.Philip_Thompson said:
1931 had 84 non-Tory National MPs (including Liberals), 8 non-Labour Labour Opposition MPs and 12 others. So that is a total of 102 not from (official) Labour or Conservatives.ydoethur said:
The last time the Liberals won over 100 seats in any election was 1923 (156) - so a bit longer ago than 'before the Second World War!' Even in 1931 they only got 73, and that was split three ways.OblitusSumMe said:I think we are very close to having 100 MPs not from Labour or the Conservatives in the Commons for the first time since before WWII when the Liberals were still winning lots of seats. I'm not sure whether Ian Austin is the 100th or the 99th.
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"I understand"AndyJS said:
Possibly true - but sounds rogue, if true, given the response from the PM down to the Tory resigners, compared to many Labour responses to their losses.0 -
Old news but did anyone post this earlier
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It depends, a number of people keep saying this increases the odds of an early election - an early election though would kill this split and shore up Corbyn.Harris_Tweed said:I foresee a speedy, but also probably sustained and terminal decline in Corbyn's popularity (and Labour while he's leader) after this week.
Although the splitters are so far few in number, I suspect they (a) have hit home with a new group of voters over Brexit and anti-semitism (which if it doesn't resonate on its own, will in terms of "being mates with that dodgy Palestinian lot") and (b) given them a new home for centrist protest votes which isn't tainted with Coalition betrayal nonsense.
Labour's support has held up so far on grounds of being "the only anti-Tory show in town" (and, bizarrely, held many Remainers as a result). Although in practical terms that hasn't yet changed, the perception probably has.
TIG may well be a flash in the pan.. but even if no-one else joined and it withered in a GE in three months' time, I suspect enough damage has already been done.
Until Tiggers are an actual party and until they are in a position to contest ~600+ seats there is no actual alternative even if people poll differently.
If people are polled and say TIG or equivalent but then there's an early election and the options are Tory, Labour or Lib Dem then (if the Lib Dems are still viewed as toxic) there's every possibility the Labour vote would be shored up. And an early election would purge Parliament of all the Tiggers, Austin etc.
There needs to be a couple of years to allow TIG to mature.0 -
This has been written on here once a week since September 2015. It'll probably still be getting an airing when Corbo is in his second term as PM.Harris_Tweed said:I foresee a speedy, but also probably sustained and terminal decline in Corbyn's popularity (and Labour while he's leader) after this week.
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Has anything been heard from the Prince over the Water?Cookie said:
Cooper and Starmer are only really big beasts by the standards of this board. Fairly sure few of the school-gate parents would be able to accurateky place Cooper and almost none Starmer.MarqueeMark said:
Big numbers would need a big beast to lead them out the wilderness.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1098878220420698112
Big numbers rumours!
Cooper. Or Starmer.
They need Miliband, Miliband or Balls.0 -
Despite the rumours of lots more to come is it really likely. Austin was seen as probable for days now, how many others have been seen as likely and not denied it yet?0
